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2019/06/18 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular

2002/7/13-14 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:25350 Activity:very high
7/13    /var ful again.  can't mail root, cuz /var is full.  sendmail -bv
        wont' work to tell me who's on root, cuz /var is full.  Wow, fbsd is
        unusually h0zed when /var is full.  I had to resort to emacs to edit
        motd because /var being full locks up vi when its autosave is broken.
        please fix /var!    Hell, wall logging doesn't even work.  -ERic
        \_ Has anyone even bothered to look through lastcomm to see why it's
           getting so damn big?
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           Or why those acct files aren't gzip'd on rotation? --scotsman
        \_ all this is due to user mail being in /var/mail.  dumb dumb dumb.
           quotas in /var/mail or delivery to user home dir fixes this ongoing
           regular problem.  I'll volunteer to fix it if given appropriate
           permissions again...  -ERic
           \_ It does?
Filesystem           1K-blocks     Used   Avail Capacity  Mounted on
/dev/da0s1f            1016303   725014  209985    78%    /var
/dev/da3s1e            8617749  3890198 4038132    49%    /var/mail
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  2097120 Jul 13 12:07 /var/mail/quota.user
        \_ get a life.  It's 1pm on a saturday.  Don't you guys have mail at
           work?  It's not even raining today.
           \_ the csua is a social organization.  many members organize
              social events through soda e-mail.
2002/7/13 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:25347 Activity:moderate
7/12    Anyone know of a lightweight secure ftp program like secure fx?
        Putty PsFtp is *too* lightweight.
        \_ try WinSCP
        \_ ssh secure shell client for windows, available on
           if you can't access, maybe you shouldn't be on
           a machine that is supposedly for undergrads.
           \_ I wake up every morning and try to fuck up everyone else's
              day just a little bit too, cool!
2002/7/4-5 [Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/SW/RevisionControl, Computer/SW/Editors/Vi] UID:25278 Activity:moderate
7/3     What is a good free project management tool in Unix?  This is for
        personal projects, so it doesn't have to be that fancy.
        \_ emacs, jove, vi, etc.
           \_ those are editors, not project management tools.  i think he
              means cvs, maybe even rcs.  If you want something like crystal
              reports, you're out of luck.  And please don't say, "ED is an
              editor" because that is just old, trite, and oversaid.  ok thx.
2002/7/2-4 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:25268 Activity:very high
7/2     Does it make sense to run NFS without NIS/NIS+? I've heard that file
        permissions won't work if you're running NFS w/o NIS.
        \_ nfs can run perfectly fine w/o NIS... thers not dependancy
           either way.. the file perm shit is dumb and wrong or you badly
           misunderstood... blah why do i post in the motd? -shac
           \_ It's good that you post on the motd. Not the dumbass posters
              who haven't figured out how to google.
        \_ NIS is not required to run NFS but you still have to come up with
           a way to synchronize the UID's and login names on all machines
           accessing NFS file systems if you care about file ownership.
           Here are some possible ways of doing this:
           1) rebuild the /etc/passwd and /etc/group files on all of your hosts
              (using the default portion of the file that came with the OS and
               the site added entries)
           2) use NIS.
           3) use LDAP
           DON'T use NIS+ as it has been EOLed in future solaris releases.
        \_ OP here. Sorry for the dumbass question. My problem was that I
           didn't realize that root has *less* access than other users by
           default. This is a good url:
           \_ There's a good reason for it.  For those too lazy to read the
              URL, I assume it's going to say that root is usually mapped to
              'nobody' because otherwise you're in the situation where someone
              else can plug their box into your network.  They're suddenly root
              on all your nfs shares.  Bad news.
                \_ as opposed to being able to su to any user on your NFS
                   shares--not a whole lot of difference.  If you're exporting
                   NFS to people you don't trust, you've already lost. -tom
                   \_ It's not about people, it's about physical access to
                      the network.  NFS wasn't designed to be secure but at
                      least they can't trojan system binaries as root, only
                      user owned files.  This is an important difference.
                      Security isn't all or nothing.  Layers, son, layers.
                        \_ uh, you're exporting system binaries on writable
                           filesystems via NFS? you need more than layers. -tom
                           \_ FYI, robust NFS implementations support strong
                              authentication methods including kerberos 5.
                              Unfortunately, Linux NFS client doesn't support
                              any of that fancy authentication stuff so you
                              must choose between Linux and security..
                           \_ Uh, you've never used a dickless client? i have
                              \_ Did you miss the part about "writable
                                 filesystems"?  A diskless client doesn't need
                                 to be able to write to its /usr partition.
                                 If you allow this, then you're an accident
                                 waiting to happen.  --scotsman
                                 \_ Nope.  Your call.  Not my problem.  You'll
                                    find out the hard way one day.
                              exactly what i need, thanks for all your help.
                              you can stop helping anytime... you've already
                              provided such great help from your vast depth
                              of knowledge from working with so many diverse
                              systems over the course of your lengthy career,
                              i couldn't possibly ask you to help any more
                              than you already have.
                              \_ You know, you can stop listening also.  It's
                                 not like you're a powerless victim.
        \_ OP: tom is helpful. so is shaq.
        \_ OP: tom is helpful. so is shaq. YMMV.
           \_ tom is the techie guru god of all knowing.  tom has never been
              wrong.  i religiously follow all of toms advice.
              \_ I don't know everything.  But I probably know more than you
                 do.  -tom
                 \_ I won't lick your ass, but I appreciate your postings.
                    Don't always agree wtih you, but do appreciate them.
                 \_ What?  nonononono this is wrong.  You know *EVERYTHING*!
                    You've *NEVER* been wrong!  It's *NEVER* happened!
                    \_ Sarcasm aside, not knowing everything and never being
                       wrong are not mutually exclusive.
                       \_ But when you have an opinion about *EVERYTHING* and
                          you're *NEVER* wrong, you therefore know everything
                          as well.  Life is good.
                          \_ obLithium.
2002/7/2 [Computer/Companies/Google, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:25267 Activity:nil
7/2     ufsdumper guy here. While I'm at it, I was wondering what sort of
        dumping schedule do people use? 0 5 5 5 3? 0 5 5 5 5? 0 0 0 0 0? Also,
        how do you backup multiple partitions with one fell swoop? I've been
        reading around on google but there is a lot of conflicting advice.
        \_ It depends. How big are your backups, how important are they,
           how much do they change, how long can your system be down if
           you need to recover from tape, how quick do you need to be able
           to recover a file from a backup?
           \_ What about the multiple partitions part?
              \_ You just dump them sequentially to a NONREWINDING tape device.
2002/7/2 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:25260 Activity:high
7/1     How to view a text file on a FTP site when I am using plain-old
        text FTP client?  Thanks
        \_ get <filename> | more
           \_ |more .  no space.
        \_ How to know viewing text file in FTP site when using text FTP
           clients?  Is much thanks you!
2002/6/29-30 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:25243 Activity:high
6/28    I have been repeatedly warned *not* to write shell scripts in
        csh/tcsh.  Is there any validity to these warnings? If so, why?
        \_ Warned by?  I write all my personal stuff in whatever the fuck I
           want (csh/tcsh/perl).  I write anything for init.d in /bin/sh
           because /bin/sh should always work so the scripts are 100%
           guaranteed portable. (heh).  /bin/sh pretty much sucks and has
           near-zero useful features but it's there.
        \_ Instead of posting your question to the motd try putting it
           to google.
           is the classic article that explains why it's not a great idea.
           \_ For starters let's note this was written in 1996.  A lot of the
              bugs he's picking on aren't out there anymore.  A lot of the
              examples he's using are a bit contrived.  I agree csh is not the
              best thing to write in if you're going to stick it in /etc/init.d
              or write a large script that does something important but for a
              quick hack, why not?  It's there, you know it, use it and throw
              it out.  Anything longer than 5 or 10 lines is probably a Perl
              job anyway.  /bin/sh for /etc/init.d, tcsh for fun, Perl for
              real work.  Just one man's world view.
              \_ When are you people going to move to Ruby?  Perl sucks.
                 \_ When Ruby has something that looks like CPAN so I don't
                    have to reinvent the wheel everytime I want to do something
                    interesting.  I started Perl at 4.015.  Lemme know when
                    Ruby is as useful as Perl was 5+ years ago.
                    \_ CPAN ugh. That is the worst thing to happen to perl
                       with the possible exception of the stupid OO crap.
                       Perl 4 was the last great perl, it had everything that
                       was missing from Perl 3 without any of the messy
                       non-sense of Perl 5 (about the only thing that Perl 5
                       add that is of any value is my).
                       \_ CPAN is bad uh how?  And Perl5 added real structures
                          to the language making it much more useful.  If all
                          you wanted was sed/awk, use sed/awk.  Some of us are
                          too busy to reinvent the wheel or fucking around with
                          the broken data structures in Perl4.
              \_ It was written in the 80s
                 \_ Even more so then.  The date inside the URL said 96.
                    \_ It's just as relevant now.  csh still can't do basic
                       stuff like redirect STDOUT and STDERR to different
                       places.  It's a fine login shell, but it sucks for
                       programming.  -tom
                       \_ Uhm, on that point in particular, you're wrong:
                          (command >stdoutgoeshere) >&stderrgoeshere
                          (admittedly, it can't, say, juxtapose the two, but
                          that's not needed too often)             -alexf
                       \_ Why would anyone want to use (t)csh in a world
                          where ksh and bash exist?
                   Who uses ksh? _/
                          \_ Because bash is broken and stupid?
                       \_ uh... % ( some-command > someplace ) >& other-place
                      \_ I've never wanted to do the obscure shit he's talking
                         about csh not supporting.  That's what perl is for
                         anyway.  /bin/sh and perl covers everything.
                         \_ if /bin/sh and perl covers everything, why are
                            you programming in csh?
                            And really, it's pathetic that csh can't handle
                            trivial, obvious syntax like:
                            "if ( "$foo" == "bar" )".  You run into shit like
                            that all the time with csh.  -tom
                                 \- writing stuff in csh to me is like using
                                    vi for quick edits ... no matter how quick
                                    or trivial you think it will be, about
                                    half the time you get started doing
                                    something more involved and regret not
                                    starting out doing it right ... however
                                    if you want an objective list of drawbacks
                                    and gotchas in csh, that is a decent list.
                                    when it comes to tcsh there are some bugs,
                                    but everything has bugs ... those things
                                    in the famous doc are mostly design flaws.
                                    if csh works you you, do what you want.
                                    a very imporant piece of "code" at lbl
                                    consists of 3024 lines of csh ... it was
                                    supposed to be a 20 line program.
                                    "bill joy has a lot to answer for"
2019/06/18 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular

2002/6/26-27 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:25208 Activity:moderate
6/26    On Unix and alike, what's the reason for imposing a limit of 19 on how
        much a user can lower his process' priority with "nice"?
        \_ But it goes to eleven... -John
           \_ Yeah but imagine if it went to like 20000!!!!  That'd be really
2002/6/13 [Computer/SW/Languages, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:25082 Activity:low
6/12    How do I do this in sh -- I want to send the output of foo to "| grep"
        and the standard error of foo to /dev/null ???
        \_ foo 2> /dev/null | grep
2002/6/11 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:25062 Activity:moderate
6/10    A while ago there was   so thread about linux clients and solaris
        nfs.  Today i found out that the default nfs packet size on 7.3
        (redhat) is 32k not the old linux 8k.  This causes clients to pound
        on our nfs server.  Dunno if it helps.
        \_ from mount_nfs(1M)
                Set the  read  buffer  size  to  n  bytes.   The
                default  value  is 32768 when using Version 3 of
                the  NFS protocol. The default can be negotiated
                down  if  the  server prefers a smaller transfer
                size. When using Version 2, the default value is 8192.
        \_ After the tip from akopps, I found these relevant bugid
2002/6/6-7 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:25017 Activity:nil
6/6     tcsh.core :  Is it a core dump file? Can I delete it?
        \_ tcsh never crashes. erase all evidence. report to food vat
           immediately.  thank you.  the computer is never wrong.
2002/6/6 [Industry/Jobs, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:25009 Activity:nil
6/6     Looks like Lawrence Berkeley National Lab has some job openings
        for jobs like SysAdmins and Unix Support/Programmers.
2002/6/5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:24990 Activity:nil
6/3     Can we get rid of the link to our finger information from
        the CSUA web site?  This may be a source of spamming.
        \_ 'touch ~/.nofinger' to make yourself invisible to fingerd,
           'touch ~/public_html/.noindex' to remove your homepage
           from the CSUA index. -- jwang
             \_ Thanks. When does that update?
                \_ every Sunday at 2:15am.
2002/6/5 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:24984 Activity:high
6/3     anyone had problems with a Redhat 7.3 NFS client and a Solaris 8 NFS
        server with the Client flooding Server with packets?
        \- dunno if this is related but see ~psb/linux-nfs-problem.
           i would try tcpdumping to see what is going on. this is a
           little tricky unless you have something nfs protocol aware. --psb
           \_ Luckily linux is only the client here. I'll try this tcpdump
           \_ snoop is NFS protocol aware. Unfortunately, it runs only on
              \_ tcpdump on redhat 7.3 is also somewhat NFS-aware.
        \_ Just saw plenty of reports like this one on,
           check it out. -akopps
           \_ Thanks! I think that's it. The same symptoms/behavior. It's
              been a painful week. (our snoops showed them as UDP packets)
        \_ As a fellow linux victim I can say linux sucks.  If this is a server
           environment and you don't specifically *need* Linux, then use *BSD
           or something else which wasn't written by a million monkeys.
2002/5/20-21 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:24894 Activity:high
5/20    curl? why?
                \_ Curling is an exciting Olympic sport that the whole
                   family can enjoy. Try it today!!
        \_ Which curl? The useful unix utility or the useless programming
           \_ Since they say "why?" I'd guess they mean the useless language.
              The value of the unix utility is self evident.  My answer to
              why curl as yet another useless language is, "why not?"  No one
              is being forced to use it.  It's harmless.  If it's ever useful
              you'll be glad for it.
        \_ any takes on REBEL?
        \_ becasue sometimes div just isn't enough. -chialea
        \_ pray tell, how many upper div courses does one need to become
           a grad? --jon
2002/5/20-21 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:24893 Activity:moderate
5/20    I just finished reading 3001 and I must say that it was a huge
        disappointment for me. I disliked the explanation of the nature
        of the monoliths (basically dumb robots, not even as intelligent
        as HAL) and their vulnerability to 20th/21st century computer
        viruses (deja vu ID4?). Did any of you read the book and like it?
        If so, what aspects did you like?
        \_ clarke is a hack.  get a clue.  -tom
           \_ 2001 and 2010 were pretty good. If clarke is such a hack
              what sci-fi authors do you recommend reading?
              \_ Gene Wolfe, Stanislaw Lem, Kage Baker.  --pld
              \_ Dan Simmons, "Hyperion"
                 Vernor Vinge, "A Fire Upon The Deep"
                 Connie Willis.
                 Iain M. Banks.
                 To some extent, Greg Bear and Kim Stanley Robinson.
                 Most decent sci-fi writers also write stuff other than
                 sci-fi.  -tom
              \_ if you don't want to read hacks, don't read sci-fi. -!tom
              \_ Clarke wasn't a hack in his earlier days (_2001_, _Childhood's
                 End_, etc.), but he's since taken to the senile dementia/"I
                 need the money" path trailblazed by other classic SF authors
                 (Azimov, Heinlein, et. al.) of cranking out low-to-no-quality
                 books, knowing that a certain group of people will buy them
                 just because they have his holy name on the cover.  As for
                 authors I'd recommend in the SF/F arena: Iain M. Banks, John
                 Brunner, Lois McMaster Bujold, Philip K. Dick, Barry Hughart,
                 Cyril Kornbluth, Johnathan Lethem, Tim Powers, Kim Stanley
                 Robinson, Clifford Simak, Neal Stephenson, Connie Willis,
                 and Vernor Vinge, for starters (these aren't entirely blanket
                 author recommendations, though; there are definitely some
                 works by the above-listed that you'd be better off
                 avoiding).  -- kahogan
                 \_ Heinlein doesn't need the money anymore....
                    \_ Libertarians keep score from beyond the grave.
2002/5/17-20 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:24874 Activity:high
5/17    If I want to do incremental backups, is dump still the way to go?
        \_ how much data?  what backup device?
           \_ What kind of data would be useful too.
        \_ GNU tar is another program that supports incremental backups, though,
           I still prefer dump. -dumper
              \_ Just post the data at the bottom of the motd, and we'll
                 tell you what to do. Remember to mpack it if it's binary.
        \_ GNU tar is another program that supports incremental backups,
           though, I still prefer dump. -dumper
        \_ I use this cool new peer-to-peer backup program called dumpster.
2002/5/15 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:24837 Activity:insanely high
5/15    My boss wants me to track what websites a user visits. The user is
        smart enough to delete their history every time they log out (tweakui?)
        Any recommendations for UNIX/NT software to do this?
        \_ You can use a network snooper but I question what will be
           accomplish by tracking what websites your own workers visit.
           \_ There could be the case of the person visiting inappropriate
              sites. However, in this case, the person (a secretary) tells
              everyone that she has way too much work to do, but all the other
              secretaries say that she just surfs the web all day.
        \_ When installing a network snooper, where do you put it? Doesn't
           it depend on whether the user is connected to a switch or a hub?
           \_ Yes a snooper won't work on a switched lan. A alternate soln.
              if you don't want use a caching proxy is to have your fw log
              all outbound http and ftp requests and then translate that to
              web sites. The problem with this is that you won't be able
              to catch request made to services like anonymizer.
        \_ Set up a caching proxy (eg. squid) and run it in transparent
           mode (your fw/router redirects port 80, 21, etc to the cache)
           and turn on max logging. You need to use transparent mode so
           that your users can't circumvent the cache and screw up your
           information gathering.
           Use perl to grok the cache's log files and generate a list of
           urls (or sites) per ip. Now use the dhcp server's log files to
           map IP to NIC and therefore to individual client systems and
           users (I'm assuming that most of your clients are mac/win boxes
           and have only one user). This should give you all the information
           you need and more.
           \_ Thanks! We have a cache (Symantec i-gear), but the user wasn't
              using it. I'll investigate how to get our router (no firewall)
              to forward requests.
              \_ One possible way is the set up the dhcp server to specify
                 the cache as the default router for the mac in question.
                 Then you setup the cache to re-route all traffic (except
                 for http traffic, which it handles) to the real rotuer.
                 \_ currently, we're still on static ip's/routes, but that's
                    something i'll look into
        \_ If she is not smart enough to also clear the disk cache, you can go
           to the cache directories and look at the content.  E.g. on NT,
           However, I think a better solution is to just keep track of her
           %USERPROFILE%\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\ for IE and
           %SystemDrive%\Program Files\Netscape\Users\%USERNAME%\Cache\ for
           Netscape; for Unix, ~/.netscape/cache for Netscape.  You might not
           know which URLs she visited, but at least you can see the content
           of the pages.  Note that for IE some of the dirs and files are
           marked hidden or system, so you have to do "dir /a" to see them.
           However, I think the better solution is to just keep track of her
           activity at the proxy server.
        \_ Be careful of what you and your boss are doing.  Unless it's
           in your company policy, you shouldn't do this.  Your coworkers
           can sue the company for this tactic.
           can sue the company for this tactic.  If you're going to do this
           you better adopt a policy for this and have everyone in the company
           be aware of and agreeable to it.
           \_ Double check with your company's specific policy, but at
              most places the company owns the machine and all files on it
              if it is a work machine, and the company is allowed to
              access it whenever it wants.
              \_ if your company is going to do that, make sure it's in the
                 policy.  "Company owns everything" is too vague.  A good
                 lawyer will defeat that.  You can not do it in way it single
                 out an individual or in anyway showing bias.
              \- if the person you are trying to track is stupid, you can
                 use dug song's software ... that will basically sniff the
                 net, extract the urls and feed them to a netscape you run
                 so you more or less can watch the secretary "over his/her
                 shoulder". however really you probably want timestamped
                 logs, in which case just get tcpdump the port 80 traffic.
                 getting the urls in addition to dst addr is a little more
                 work but pretty simple. BRO can do this. --psb
2002/5/11 [Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:24795 Activity:nil
5/10 proving that
        open source = racist.
        \_ I'm pretty sure that guy thinks himself funny.  This is a common
           delusion.  Youi, however, have no excuse.
           \_ I'm not Youi!
           \_ It wasn't a humor piece.  It's all true.  Why the blinders?
2002/5/7-8 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Computer/SW/Languages/Misc, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:24733 Activity:insanely high
5/7     So how does /csua/bin/me record my identity?
        \_ It doesn't.  people are stupid.
           \_ All I was referring to was the fact that other users will see
              that you have a lock on the file, and then see new contents.
              \_ ...As opposed to editing the file in vi, finding that it's
                 locked, and running fstat anyway?  Whatever. -geordan
                 \_ fstat is a violation of my privacy rights.  I insist it
                    be deleted immediately.
                \_ Well, an alternative is to copy the motd, edit, then copy
                   back. You can diff to see if someone else changed it, and
                   manual merge. This way I never clobber anyone, of course
                   now I'm learning that other people feel free to clobber
                   me because I didn't lock the file before *they* started
                   editing. Well fuck you with a spoon.
                   \_ The whole point of this is that what _you're_ doing
                      is forcing EVERYONE ELSE to manually merge the motd
                      as well.  As most of us actually have lives, we are
                      asking those of you who are so scared of what you
                      say that you can't own up to it to either use the
                      lock or not complain. --scotsman
                      \_ Actually, I shouldn't make the assumption that
                         "most of us" have lives.  My apologies.  --scotsman
                      \_ no one is afraid.  they just don't care.  it isn't
                         important who said what.  and how the hell hard is it
                         to manually merge?  diff?  patch?  c'mon.  sometimes
                         I like what someone else has said on a topic better
                         than what I said and don't even bother putting mine
                         in.  it goes both ways.  its the motd.  relax.
                   \_ ok, fine, i'm wrong. except of course this way ppl
                      have to wait for slow typers and stuff like that.
        \_ read the script.  damn..
           \_ That probably requires enough clue to understand it. -geordan
                \_ It's not that hard.
                   \_ I realize; I looked at the script and saw nothing
                      that would hint at a lasting record of my identity
                      that ps -aux|grep motd.public wouldn't give.  That'
                      why I was wondering-- op
                        \_ emacs -nw ; C-xC-f /etc/motd.public ;
                           Now no one knows who you are unless they
                           happen to be running lsof for the few usecs
                           when you C-xC-s.
                           \_ U'R $O sUP34 733+ K@n 1 l3AR|V fR0M U 0 733T
                              \_ He wants to be anonymous, emacs is about
                                 as anonymous as you can get
                                 \_ then he's _rude_ and anonymous, and will
                                    have to deal with me overwriting his drivel
                                    because he refuses to use a lock.
                                    \_ so he'll deal.  its not like half or
                                       more of us aren't watching with scripts
                                       anyway.  emacs is hardly anonymous. I
                                       spent about 3 minutes writing a few tiny
                                       scripts that lets me figure out who is
                                       writing what about 90% of the time. you
                                       know what?  i find it doesn't matter.
                                       since i dont maintain a 'twink points'
                                       file and don't take the motd personally
                                       or seriously it just doesn't matter.
                                       you're all a bunch of two faced liars
                                       anyway posting to both sides of many
                                       \_ That's a bald lie.
                                          \_ No it's not.
2002/4/24-25 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:24568 Activity:moderate
4/24    Are you getting bounces from  I tried responding
        to people, and I'm getting bounces.  They are not spammers.
        I respond a few seconds after they email me.
        \_ so it has begun
        \_ Yes. It's been sporadic for a day or so.
        \_ Well did you pay your Yahoo E-Delivery Fee?  You can only send
           mail to Yahoo users if you're a paying customer.
2002/4/24 [Computer/HW, Computer/Domains, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:24567 Activity:nil 75%like:24572
4/24    Where's that URL to find a dot address's host/domain name?  Is there
        some server that shows the uptime of certain hosts?
2002/4/23 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:24550 Activity:high
4/23    My advisor is not going to pay for the new IDSG NFS backed up storage.
        Any recommendations for commercial backed up storage I can access
        off the net (either NFS or scp) ?  -- poor grad student
        \_ find an advisor who's not an idiot?
                \_ they all are
        \_ alice?
                \_ Who the fuck is alice?
                   \_ cool/cute  CS gradstudent with an account on Soda.
           \_ Um, no it's not me.  But thanks for your concern.  Now back
              to the op's question.  -- alice
        \_ Waitasec, you won't pay for campus NFS service but you'll pay for
           more expensive outside 3rd party commercial service for the same
                \_ depends on how much more expensive. IDSG has various
                   nazi policies that I'd rather avoid anyway. plus it
                   would be a nightmare paying for this that can only be
                   paid for by a UC recharge account
2002/4/23 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:24541 Activity:nil
4/22    Finger Puppet Insurrection!? At MayDay!?
2002/4/19 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:24491 Activity:nil
4/18    Any suggestions on a utility that allows you to grab all files that
        are presented on a webpage file index? (as opposed to right-clicking
        on every single entry and choosing 'Save Target As')
        p.s. FTP doesn't work since the site does not accept anonymous login)
        \_ uh... wget?
           \_ or webcopy, or pavuk, or any number of such programs
        \_ damn, beat me to it.  I'm saying it anyway!  wget.
        \_ Thanks. - original poster
2002/4/17-18 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:24467 Activity:kinda low
4/17    Who is mjm, and why is he running 'cs' for the last 16 hours?
        \_ /csua/bin/finger mjm
        \_ You know, cs, like in csua, computer science. Maybe he is
           trying to do some computer science. It looks like it has
           something to do with cs152.
        \_ Well he's not even logged into the terminal the program is
           running in.
           \_ He must be an el8 s00p0r hx0r!
2002/4/12 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:24427 Activity:nil
4/11    http://Walmart.COM has an opening for a Sr. NOC (operations monitoring
        center) Engineer. This role requires knowledge of Unix, networking
        and to handle phones like six shooters. WMTC is located in Brisbane,
        just south of Candlestick park. Interested? Mail me. -- Marco
2002/4/5 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:24332 Activity:nil
4/4     What is the best way to read the "field before a pattern" like
        the number of users in uptime output:
        4:01PM  up 26 days, 16:50, 242 users, load averages: 1.00, 0.76, 0.57
        I can't read the sixth field because it isn't always in the sixth
        position, depending on what the uptime period is.  I want to read
        the field before "users".  I know I can delete from users to end of
        line and then read last field with awk's NF, but that seems lame!
        \_ perl, of course.  /\s+(\d+)\s+users/.  -tom
           \_ perl might not be around in all of these machines.  Also
              this is in a shell script so I was hoping for a sed or awk
        \_ uptime | awk '{ for (i=1;i<=NF;i++) { \
                               if ($i ~ /^user/) { print $(i-1) ; } \
                           } }'
        \_ uptime | cut -d' ' -f 8 --scotsman
           \_ doesn't work on solaris
              \_ it does.  it's just not always '8'
                 \_ indeed.  duud.  use perl.  --scotsman
        \_ users | wc -w
           \_ You are my hero.
        \_ w | tail +3 | wc -l
2002/4/4-5 [Computer/SW/Compilers, Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:24320 Activity:kinda low
4/3     Has anyone tried Cygwin? How is it?
        \_ If you're willing to put in the effort to get it configured and
           running you'll get a decent system.  A friend of mine compiled and
           ran apache on cygwin/nt with numerous mods for a production server.
           It 'worked' but I would not do this in any place I cared about.  I
           provide this only as an example of what can be done, not what should
           be done.  Think of the children!
        \_ If you're willing to put in the effort to get it configured
           and running you'll get a decent system.  A friend of mine
           compiled and ran apache on cygwin/nt with numerous mods for
           a production server. It 'worked' but I would not do this in
           any place I cared about.  I provide this only as an example
           of what can be done, not what should be done.  Think of the
                                           Lorelai, is that you? _/
        \_ My laptop dual boots to Linux/Win2K. I got sick of rebooting
           to do development, so installed cygwin and use it to this end.
           I'm doing my whole 162 project using it this semester and
           haven't encountered any problems. I even got the mips cross-
           compiler to work using cygwin gcc (thanks to this guy:
     )     - rory
        \_ If you want a half broken UNIX environment on your Windows
           system, Cygwin is the way to go. If you are just interested
           in a half broken UNIX environment, just install '1337 GN00
           L1NUX instead.
2002/3/28 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:24259 Activity:nil
3/28    Anyone have a suggestion of how to plot data in the form <timestamp>
        <variable value> with unix software ... is there a canned GNUplot
        way to do this? Or is Excel the best bet. Data looks like:
        12:00  0
        12:01  7435
        12:02  9047
        12:04  12976
        12:05  10648
2002/3/18-19 [Computer/HW/Languages, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:24149 Activity:moderate
3/18    Anybody supported Cadence CAD tools before?  An application has a
        license file that's expiring and I'm asked to put in a new license
        file.  Is it a simple case of entering the path to the new license
        file or is it more complicated?  Thanks.
        \_ yes.
        \_ is it a node locked license or a floating license?
           if floating, with redundant license servers? cadence isnt too bad
           but there are a few distinct and fairly common cases -jon
           \_ it's a license for one single machine.  No license server.
              \_ put the license file anywhere and have the environment
                 variable LM_LICENSE_FILE set to be that pathname.  having
                 it in the same place as the old license file is the easiest
                 way to accomplish this. -jon
2002/3/17-18 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:24138 Activity:high
3/16    Hey does anyone remmeber the Alex file system? Anyone know if it is
                          \_ no. -alex
        still available or if there has been any improvements in the last 10yrs
        on ftp-backed file systems? ok tnx --psb
        \_ WebDAV relevent?
        \_ Didn't Microsoft innovate that?  I think they did.
          \_ we've got to stop antitrust laws, Java, and Linux from
             preventing Microsoft from innovating. It's what the consumer
             \_ Yeah I read this thing the other day that said Linux was anti-
                American.  We should stop letting foreigners write code.
2002/3/16-18 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:24137 Activity:kinda low
3/16    What's up with this?  It works for everyone else I tried.
        soda 21: finger vadim
        finger: vadim: no such user
        \_ try /csua/bin/finger.  ignores .nofinger files.
           of course, vadim's .project and .plan are linked to /kernel,
           so remember to pipe to your favorite pager.
           \_ or use the "-p" option. -jon
        \_ who is vadim and why is he [in]famous?
           \_ Anyone who links their .plan or .project to a large binary is a
              big jerk so that should put you in the right mindset to figure
              this one out for yourself.
2002/3/13-14 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:24098 Activity:very high
3/13    Lets say your / is getting full quickly for some off reason... where
        could the culprit be? I already looked at /var/adm/log and stuff...
        \_ /tmp?
        \_ And if you're desperate 'find' with the right options might show
           you a single file on the partition that's huge (and growing).  Or
           a 'du' if you're *Really* desperate or lazy.
        \_ lsof can work wonders here.  What can sometimes happen is that a
           file can be deleted (or hidden because you mount something over
           the directory where it exists), and you neglect to HUP a daemon
           that's writing to it.  The file won't actually go away until the
           daemon closes it's filehandle.  find will never find such a file.
           lsof will. -dans
           \_ What's wrong with du?  du -hx -d1, then choose the largest
              directory and go from there.
              \_ Not all versions of du are the same.  Just like not all
                 versions of find are the same, etc.  My reply assumed a
                 base level version of each command that didn't have all the
                 zillions of options that the latest gnu has.  I did say if
                 they have the right options, etc.  Man pages are your friend.
                 My local base install is older and doesn't have a 'dont cross
                 file system boundary' option.  I have the gnuer version also
                 but that was my choice to install it.  The OP may not have.
                 Besides, du can be ugly and slow.  It's an act of desperation
                 for only when a quick bit of manual snooping in the obvious
                 /tmp and log directory type places doesn't work.
        \_ /var/mail and /var/spool
        \_ /homes/user/pr0n
2002/3/11-12 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:24076 Activity:kinda low
3/11    I need  to start a daemon as a specified user at startup time, or
        soon after, on FreeBSD.  How can I do this?
        \- you might be able to do it with su, but if it needs to bind to a
           privilaged port and then relinquish priv, then it is more
           involved, say if you want to run named as an unpriv user,
           as we do. so the daemon is in fact in the details, e.g. if
           you are also chrooting etc. --psb
           \_ Actually, it's not so complicated-- ideally, it would simple
              enough to do with a nologin/nopass user and an rc.d script. It
              doesn't need any special privileges.  su wouldn't really
              work, because it requires a shell.  If I try
              sudo -u user daemon
              then sudo complains that I'm already root and don't need to
                \_ Are you insistent on not having a shell for "user."  I
                   don't see why su -u user -c "daemon" wouldn't work for
                   you (assuming you allow user a shell).  Or try:
                   chsh -s "/bin/bash" user; su -u user -c "daemon";
                   chsh -s "/bin/false" user.  And let me know if that works.
        \_ Do you have the source for the daemon? If so, just patch main
           so that it takes two additional args one for the uid/user and
           the other for the gid/group to switch to after starting up.
           If the daemon needs to bind to a port, it might be more complex,
2002/3/7-8 [Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/SW/P2P] UID:24060 Activity:nil
3/7     Can someone provide a ref to what the fasttrack network is?  Does
        it feature the same sort of "can't be shut down" features that
        Gnutella does?  Or is it more napster/centralized?
        \_ They claim it can't be, RIAA/etc claim it can.  That they killed
           Morpheus (who used their software but didnt pay their bills)
           instantly says they have some sort of control but it sounds like
           an _intentional_ hole they put in the clients, not a central server
           napster style event.  They are keeping secret the technical details
           of how their network works.
2002/3/7-8 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:24055 Activity:kinda low
3/7     I have some e-mail messages at hotmail that I want to save and
        be able to read on unix, is there a way to export them?
        \_ forwarding to your unix account not good enough?
           \_ if that's the only solution that will work, but I have a lot
              of messages and I'd have to forward them all individually...
              plus, I'd like the messages to have a From field that's actually
              from the person who sent them rather than my hotmail account so
              I can do sorts, etc.
        \_ somewhat related question... is there a way to get e-mail messages
           from Outlook format to a standard unix-like mbox file?
        \_ somewhat related question... is there a way to convert an Outlook
           e-mail folder to a standard unix-like mbox file?
        \_ Doesn't hotmail offer pop access?
           \_ as far as I can tell you can POP from other mail systems into
              hotmail but not the other way around... but i'm not sure.
              \_ Using M$ mail clients (eg, Outlook(Express)), you can treat
                 Hotmail like a POP client and download a whole folder of
                 messages. Then, see above question about how to convert
                 this to UNIX mbox format.              - rory
2002/2/28 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23991 Activity:very high
2/27    How do I turn off autocorrect in tcsh?
        \_ unset autocorrect?
           \_ And "unset correct".

You have mail.
Are you happy with just that, though?
2002/2/22-23 [Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:23952 Activity:moderate
2/22    I want to access a networded printer from OSX.  I can access it
        from a regular unix computer but somehow it is not showing up in
        AppleTalk listing and I cannot change its setup.  How do I find
        its IP and print through that?  Ok tnx.
        \_ Walk to the printer and press some buttons to print out a server
           config page?  If there's one, it should show the printer's IP
        \_ Your unix workstations will also know.
           \_ I tried and the hp LaserJet 2200 just printed some advertisement
              for itself.  How do I find the IP from the unix workstation?
              \_ try looking in /etc/printcap
               \_ /etc/printcap might use an IP or a DNS name. You can nslookup
                  the dns if need be.  OP is drifting into RTFM area now....
                  [dont reindent this.  its where I meant it to be]
2002/2/22 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23943 Activity:very high
2/21    My moronic boss asked me to write a batch file to auomate a telnet
        session and one requirement is it should not ask user for the
        password.  How do I kindly tell him that he is an idiot?
        \_ setup ssh with passwordless public key or host-based authentication,
           symlink telnet to ssh and let him believe that the users are using
           telnet ;p
           \_ The batch file will be placed in hundreds of Windows 98
              machine's at a client site; none of these machines have ssh.
              How do I tell him off?  I told him it can't be done and he
              insisted that it can be done.
              \_ Why are you still even working there? I can't imagine
                 working in a place with a boss that stupid and an OS
                 that crappy.
                 \_ This isn't 1998.
              \_ Include ssh along with the batch file. --dim
        \_ He's a moron, true, but you've done your duty by telling him so, now
           it is your job to make it work.  I suggest a telnetd that auto-auths
           anyone with no password.  Yes, this is frightfully stupid, etc, etc,
           but unless you want to polish your resume, swallow the bile and just
           do it.  Now is not a good time to get fired.  Make sure you have it
           documented that this is insecure and you told them so but were told
           to do it anyway.  You're then free from serious fallout.  C.Y.A.
        \_ I agree with the SSH suggestion. However, if you still need to
           use telnet, you can embed a known password into the batch script.
           You need to telnet to the same account, though. Or maybe have
           the user save the password somewhere, but not ask on every
        \_ Create a server on a random port that does what he wants and have
                your script telnet to that port.
        \_ write a telnet program that automates the password and ship
           it with your batch file.  And document it that it's insecure.
        \_ Upgrade windows. Realize that even windows has better tools
           than telnet for running remote batch jobs.
        \_ Whatever you do ignore the idiots here who give the 1990's dotcom
           answer of "oh just quit!".  Find a way to do the project and do it.
           Document the insecurity and the specs and forget about it.  Your job
           is more important than religion.
        \_ maybe he's talking about telnet -F option with Kerberos V5
           authentication being used.
        \_ acct with no passwd?
2002/2/20 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23917 Activity:high
2/19    Is there a way to determine if Backspace is set to ^? or ^H . I'm
        trying to config a login script that will do an 'stty erase'
        to the correct control sequence.
        \_ stty -a | grep ' erase' | sed -e 's/^.*erase = //' \
                                         -e 's/\;.*$//'
           Seems to work on BSD and Linux
           \_ On my HP-UX xterm, if I had previously did 'stty erase ^H' then
              the above will return ^H, but if I didm't, I get DEL. So what
              do I do with DEL? More precisely, I want to be able to log in
              from different xterms (linux, hp-ux, etc) and have my backspace
              mapped correctly.
              \_ AFAIK, DEL == ^?. BTW, why are you doing all this, termcap
                 terminfo, etc. should just take care of everything provided
                 $TERM is set.
                 \_ I guess it's not in my case. TERM is being set, but unless
                    I do a 'stty erase ^H', my backspace won't work (it'll
                    just output ^H). And if I log in from a linux box, it's ^?
2002/2/15-16 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23879 Activity:nil
2/14    I have some old "Professional Write" files that I would like to
        convert to unix text files. Is there a program in soda that does
        \_ Run 'strings' on the files and clean them up by hand.
           \_ Browse the ports tree at
        and ask staff to install something that you like.
2002/2/15 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23873 Activity:kinda low
2/14    Is there something equivalent to "cp -i" for tar?  I just overwrote
        my project tar file, and I'd like a confirmation before it tries to
        write to an existing file.
        \_ How about untaring to a temporary directory and then cp -Ri the
           files to the intended destination?
           \_ That would be decent, but I was thinking it should have
              something more alias-able. I was actually trying to type
              "tar xf myproj.tar", but I typed "tar cf myproj.tar", which
              created an empty tar file.  Bloody stupid.
        \_ Set noclobber in your shell and get in the habit of doing
           tar cf - > file.tar
           \- you should be able to do something with tcsh's programmable
              completions. exactly what to do depends on what behaviour
              works for you. you could have it offer to complete with
              tar t and tar x but not tar c. i often do:
              lstar   tar -tvf !*
              mktar   tar -cvf !*
              tarcp   tar cf - !:1 | ( cd !:2 ; tar xfBp -)
              \_ That should be cd !:2 && tar xfBp -, or even easier (and though
                 you get large warnings in the manpage, I've never had this
                 fail on any tar or OS): tar -C !:2 -xfBP -     --dbushong
              untar   tar -xvf !*
              zlstar  gzcat !* | tar tf -
              zuntar  gzcat !* | tar xvf -
              ok tnx --psb
2002/2/13-14 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23861 Activity:high 54%like:23860
2/13    Each time I login, I would like to see my "Last Login" info, but
        not the motd. How do I do this?
        \_ Edit the .login file in your home directory. If you still see
           the motd scroll by, create a file called ".hushlogin" in your
           homedir (`touch .hushlogin` will do).
            \_ Right, but with .hushlogin I don't see my "Last Login"
               I can't seem to quell only the motd.  Can I set something
               like "no-motd" in my .login?  Also, my "Last Login" info
               gets shoved off the screen before I get a chance to read it.
               Why is that?
               Why is that? -brett (thanks & sorry)
               \_ Sign your name and make ur .login public so we can
                  help you.  Perhaps you have a 'clear' command in it.
                    \_ Okay.
2002/2/13 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23860 Activity:nil 54%like:23861
2/13    I want to see my "Last Login" info, but not the motd, each
        time I login. How do I configure this?
2002/2/11 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23833 Activity:high
2/10    can some root type make install the Word file reader wv port?  thanks
        \_ Done.  --some root type
           \- Where do you get this software  ?
              \_ the joy of /usr/ports/ on FreeBSD
2002/2/7 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23805 Activity:nil
2/7     Old *INCREDIBLY* boring rice warmer and stereo stand threads purged.
        If that's the only kind of shit that passes motd censorship we might as
        well go back to uname -a > /etc/motd and forget about it.  It's like
        logging in to a Mormon computer system.
        \_ Can I have anal sex with you?
2002/2/6 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23791 Activity:high
2/5     psb, did you have anything to do with the new history
        command-completion function in tcsh?  I like it.
        \- i made a couple of suggestions a little while ago but i am not
           real involved with any opensrc projects any more. i still get
           xmas cards from fsf however. does anyone think it would be useful
           to be able to have the shell dump its env when it gets a SIG ...
           kind of like named dumping its cache? ok tnx --psb
           \_ I think it would be useful for tcsh to take user-defined
              actions when it receives SIGUSR# -jon
                        \_ I think it would be useful for tcsh
                           to bring to me hot nubile virgins.
                           \_ /dev/hotchicks doesn't support that ioctl
                              \_ what about /dev/H07AZNCH1X?
              \- like what else? i think limited stuff like "dump env"
                 isnt too big of a security risk but i dont want someone
                 to figure out some way to get a process into your shell
                 that leads to a trojan horse or a + in your .rhosts --psb
        \_ to you that likes it, can you do all of us a favor and compile
           it on csua so that we can see if we like it too? i would, but i
           don't know if i like it or not :)
        \_ What's new about it?
2002/2/4-5 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23768 Activity:low
2/3     i have the same directory twice in my PATH (the first and last
        entry). how can i remove the first entry?
        \_ set your path to null, then reset it.
           \- this is a pretty strightfwd shell programming exercise.
           the exact syntax depends on the shell. you can google for
           "uniqpath" although that may not work for you. ok tnx --psb
        \_ PATH=`echo $PATH|perl -lapF: -e'$_=join":",grep{!$p{$_}++}@F'`
           (also maintains the order)  --dbushong
2002/2/3-4 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23760 Activity:low 54%like:24745
2/2     In unix, is there an equivalent to "route print" for the table?
        \_ netstat -r
2002/1/28-29 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23698 Activity:very high
1/28    Are there any unix-based scripts that will periodically check a
        webpage to see if it has changed?  I know such a tool is not that
        complex to write, but why reinvent the wheel?  Thanks.
        \_ some hints:  lynx > out.  diff.  cron.  notify (email probably).
        \_ I think that you can have curl and wget send an IMS header.
           \_ Damn... stop with the curl thing.  You don't need to install and
              learn yet-another-scripting-language to do something this
              trivial.  Curl is not going to change the universe.
              \_ Are you confusing curl the unix utility with curl the
                 stupid scripting language from MIT?
              \_ curl is a little pgm like wget that is installed on
                 most BSD systems as part of the base or via the ports.
                 My experience is that it is easier to get curl to send
                 arbitrary headers than with wget.
                 I don't know where you got this scripting language thing
                 \_ Oh you're right.  My bad.  Yes, I thought you were talking
                    about the new 'kewl' scripting language from MIT.
        \_ if this is for a personal use check <DEAD><DEAD>
        \_ There's an HTTP header specifically for this ("If-Modified-Since").
           It'd take less time to write the script than to ask.
2002/1/25-26 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23668 Activity:high
1/24    Is there a way to do the substr function in a shell script?
        I want do command | foo 4 10 to get the 4th to 10th character
        of output.  Thanks!
        \_ printf(1) might work
        \_ cut -c 4-10 if you want 4th through 10th of every line; otherwise
           you'll probably need some sed/perl hack since most UNIX utils
           treat lines as separate records. -alexf
        \_ Try awk '{print $x}' | cut -c 4-10  where x = your item in the line.
           If you need to do something with the rest of the line you can start
           playing with 'tee' and shit like that but perl is probably a better
           long term choice.
        \_ awk has a substr function.
           # substr($2,9,7) picks out characters 9 thru 15 of column 2
           {print "imarith", substr($2,9,7) " - " $3, "out."substr($2,13,3)}
2002/1/24-25 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23660 Activity:high
1/24    Anyone have any ideas and/or pointers of how to crack Yahoo IM offline
        messages and archived chats and conferences without knowing the
        password of the account that you are trying to snoop on?
        \_ No, but I'm sure google does.  -John
        \_ If google doesn't help you could try cracking it yourself.  I'd
           make my own logs with my own account and see what comes out.  Use
           long strings of each character in the alphabet, 1 per log, etc.
           I know they used to send everything over the net in clear text so
           I doubt the archive encryption is tougher than rot13 or des.
        \_ never used it but try
2002/1/24-25 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23652 Activity:nil
1/24    From the minutes, "looks like the XCF is doing an intro to unix
        helpsession" -- wow, the XCF still does anything? Do they even
        have an office any more?
        \_ Yes, it does (insofar as eric@xcf is willing to take initiative
           and do something), and yes they do (346 Soda, <<311).
2002/1/24 [Recreation/Computer/Games, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23647 Activity:nil
1/23    I'm bored at work.  I want to play classic Infocom games via telnet.
        Anyone remember the address?
        \_ telnet://
          \_ Hot damn! I had no idea. HGTTG and everything.  Thanks motd!
              -- !OP
2002/1/21 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23622 Activity:nil
1/21    Is there any reason why I want to use Makefile over ANT?
        \_ do you dream in XML?
2002/1/17 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23575 Activity:low
1/16    How do I configure Solaris's terminal window for 'home' and
        'end' key to go to the beginning of line and end of line? My
        tcsh setup works with regular telnet, but in their Term, it goes
        to the beginning of the buffer and end of buffer. Thx.
        \_ I suppose you could edit the termcap or modify your local copy of
           the termcap var.  I don't know of an "easy" way with some command
           line tool.  I don't know of a version of stty that does this but
           you might start with the stty man page for kicks.
        \_ xmodmap?
2002/1/8 [Computer/HW/Memory, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23495 Activity:nil
1/7     Would someone please point me to a reference explaining memory usage
        in unix.  Specifically, what is "cache"d memory and "buff"ered mem?
2002/1/3 [Computer/Networking, Computer/HW, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23442 Activity:high
1/2     What are the pros and cons of using dnscache (djbdns) vs bind for
        a caching name server?
        \_ I ran djbdns as a caching/primary server for a few weeks. I
           didn't like it at all. The thing was a pain to setup (dirs in
           all sorts of strange places, a bunch of support pgms, ets) and
           maintain (the files have strange syntax rules and there isn't
           enough debug/error reporting).
           In terms of its operation, I found that it didn't like using
           certain nameservers (namely those of my isp) as forwarders,
           cached the ips of dns round-robin hosts far longer than the
           records were valid for, and played poorly with recursive
           requests from mac's and win95/98.
           I gave up and I'm using OpenBSD's BIND 4 as a caching ns now.
           Its secure and it works for what I need.
           \_ I had a similar experience with djb's publicfile (anon
              ftp/http file server) It requires non-standard utilities that are
              installed in non-standard directories (that's easily changeable
              though) and it doesn't support certain ftp clients that people
              use, such as netscape.
                \_ if it doesn't work with my software, you shouldn't be
                   using it.  -djb
2001/12/31-2002/1/2 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23420 Activity:high
12/31   solaris: i'm logged on as root using sh.  I type tcsh.
        I'm now using tcsh. (file completion history, etc all work).
        however $SHELL still says /bin/sh.  What up?
        \_ variables are passed down to children shells.
           \_ that, and $SHELL was never meant to indicate "shell you're
              currently using" either; it's initialized by login/sshd/whatnot
              to "the default shell of the user currently logged in", and
              shouldn't be altered elsewhere. -alexf
                \_ Can you/does it matter if you set $SHELL to a a new
                   value in your .cshrc?  -John
                   \_ You can set SHELL in your .profile and your .cshrc.
                      I don't think that it breaks anything. --ranga
                      \_ Yes you can, but it may, well, break anything that
                         reads $SHELL and makes certain assumptions about it.
                         Use at your own risk simply since this is not, tbmk,
                         standard practice. -alexf
                        \_ Yeah but does it do anything?  I.e. is there anything
                           in userland using $SHELL?  -John
                        \_ Yeah but does it do anything?  I.e. is there
                           anything in userland using $SHELL?  -John
                           \_ I tried find /usr/src/usr.bin and it looks
                              like a few pgms are using it (apply, limits).
                              But changing it doesn't seem to affect the
                              behavior of these commands.
         \_ the SHELL variable is meant to indicate to programs what shell
            they should spawn should they want to run something in a subshell.
            it's not meant to tell you what the current shell is. -ali
2001/12/31 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23412 Activity:kinda low
12/30   Is the portmapper required if I'm not running nfs (client or
        server)? I have a firewall/nat box and I'm wonder if turning
        of the portmapper would be a good idea. tia.
        \_ required for any RPC services
2001/12/29-30 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23399 Activity:high
12/29   motd how-to-post:  mm/dd(tab), not mm/dd(space).  motd format god
        was here.
        \_ who cares?
           \_ More people than you might think (esp if you want your post to
              be read).  *shrug*    -mice
              \_ just change your tab stops.
                 \_ how about you just hit 'tab' and follow the standard?
                    \_ what standard? This is not the same standard enforced
                       by the motd formatting daemon.
                       \_ go read the motd faq off the csua web page.  and
                          yes it is the enforced motdformatd standard.
                          \_ This must be new. I don't remember all these
                             rules being in place when I joined.
                             \_ the file is a couple months shy of 2 years
                                \_ the file has a history longer than that.
                             \_ They're not rules.  They're guidelines so the
                                motd is readable.  Stop now with the anarchist
                                wannabe stuff.  Learn to cope.  Life is full
                                of rules and guidelines.  Most of them exist
                                for a reason.
                             \_ when you joined (and when was that?) there
                                weren't as many dumbfucks.  people back then
                                were smart enough to do the right thing
                                without needing to be told.  idiot.
                             \_ well, gee, shouldn't the "standard" specify
                                default tab stops then?  and what about
                                replies?  In order to get the \_ part to line
                                up with the parent, you usually need to do
                                <tab> <tab> ... <space> <space> <space>.  That's
                                not tab stop agnostic.  Get over it.  Oh, and I
                                also see that the standard fails to mention that
                                everybody should keep posts within 80 columns,
                                although, since the tab stops aren't specified,
                                who knows what 80 columns is?
2001/12/27-28 [Computer/SW/WWW/Server, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23384 Activity:kinda low
12/27   Is SSI Exec turned off? Is that why <!--#exec cmd="ls" -->
        won't work in a .shtml file? Yes I did "man www" It doesn't say.
        Why Is there no manual entry for "httpd"?
        Where is CSUA's SSI policy documented?
        \_ Apparently in /usr/local/apache/conf/httpd.conf. See part that
           starts with..
<Directory /home/*/*/public_html>
    AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit
    Options MultiViews Indexes SymLinksIfOwnerMatch Includes ExecCGI

           that means that you can use SSI, including for executing programs.
           Look for the source of your problem somewhere else. Apache's
           error.log file is a good start.
2001/12/20 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23321 Activity:nil
12/19   I'm running Redhat 6.1 for about a year with no problems and over
        the last 5 days or so it's been taking a really long time to log
        into my machine through ssh or ftp. sendmail and samba don't seem
        to be working right either, though apache is fine. i'm not even
        sure what to look for, any advice?
        \_ look for timeouts due to dns - are your daemons waiting for
           dns to time out?
        \_ have you been applying security patches? if not, do a rootkit
           scan.  everyone i know who ran such an old install without
           patching has been rooted via an ssh vulnerability.
2001/12/20 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23319 Activity:high
12/19   How do I configure my win2k machine so I can telnet into it? thanks.
        \_ Rather than ask how to open a huge security hole in w2k, you
           should tell us what you're trying to accomplish and ask for advice
           on the best way to get there.
        \_ One way is to infect it with NIMDA, then you can get a shell
           prompt by telnet-ing to it's port 80
           \_ have you seriously tried doing this?  sure, sending simple
              1 word commands like "dir" and "cd" work.  But I'd like to
              see you try to "net use" or "share <...>" things with that
              interface.  Remeber IIS only puts out "valid" content-type
              header fields.
        \_ uh... can't you just to go like "Services" or something, find
           "telnet" and click "start"?
        \_ also look into VNC or TightVNC
        \_ Control Panel -> Administrative Tools -> Telnet Server
           Administration.   -- yuen
2001/12/20 [Computer/Theory, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23318 Activity:very high
12/19   Why is EULER-PATH not as important as HAMPATH? (seriously, what is the
        main diff between "edges only once" and "nodes only once")
        \_ Euler path is a linear problem- O(V+E).  Hamiltonian circuit is
           NP-Complete, which means that it's at least as hard as
           thousands of other problems.  Produce a polynomial time
           algorithm for Hamilton and you can crack nearly any public-key
           cryptography system.
           \_ isn't prime factorization NP-intermediate?
              \_ So? All that means that you don't _have_ to solve Hampath
                 in polytime in order to solve factoring. If you _do_ solve
                 Hampath in polytime, this still gives you polytime factoring.
           \_ what's the O(n) alg for EULER-PATH then?
              \_ Find all nodes with odd degrees. If there's more than 2, halt
                 and return "impossible". Else, start at a node of odd degree
                 if there is one, and just keep going around while there're
                 edges from where you are which you haven't used yet. It's
                 fairly easy to prove that this will always find an Euler
                 path if one exists. -alexf
                 \_ Not true. Consider this graph:   |_ _
                    If you start at the top node, go down,
                    go right, then go diagonally  down and
                    left you've cut yourself off from the
                    square at the right. But you can start
                    a new cycle that picks up that square,
                    then splice it into the other path. -ok
                    \_ I stand duely corrected. Apply the algorithm listed
                       above repeatedly to the graph, restarting at any point
                       which has unused edges coming out. You'll get a
                       collection of paths, of which all but at most 1 will
                       be cycles; you can then "merge" the cycles into the
                       path by just taking a "detour" around the cycle from
                       the point where the path touches said cycle. This should
                       still be linear. -alexf
                        \_ Duly.
2001/12/13 [Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/SW/Languages, Computer/HW] UID:23238 Activity:high
12/13   Dmitry Sklyarov is free!
        \_ big whoop.
        \_ urlP
        \_ Are any of us really free?
           \_ yermom is
              \_ Didn't you know she'll pay $50 for a soda geek to
                 "Install Linux on her server"?
           \_ Ah ui mon frere. L'homme est ne libre, mais tout les
              place il sont dans l'chain. (or something like that)
        \_ Yeehaa!  "Russian Computer Criminal Set Free!"  Whatever.
2001/12/13 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23228 Activity:very high
12/12   now you too can be like hollywood!  load  this up at work
        and impress your PHB with hollywood-style tracerouting:
        \_ uuuuh... it looks like a unix traceroute...?
           \_ what's the option to unix traceroute to superimpose
              traceroute data with a map of the US/world and the
              location of the hops appear on the map?  oh, right.
              there isn't one.
                \_ That was my point.  There's stuff in their archives showing
                   mapped routes but it won't generate them on the fly.  why
                   was this posted?
                   \_ (Not the original poster).  It does generate them on
                      the fly.  Just keep waiting and waiting and eventually
                      the page will reload itself with the map.
                        \_ I thought of that but after 5 minutes I gave up.
                           My PHB got tired of waiting.
        \_ Yeah, but the map they load is bogus. I did a traceroute from
           their site in Austin to the csua and it had the packets boucing
           back and forth from coast to coast for a while, but Austin
           was never even in the picture.
2001/12/11-12 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23216 Activity:moderate
12/11   is there a way to 'uname' from a distance? ie is there some way to
        'uname' a machine that i'm not logged into?
        \_ Try "nslookup -query=hinfo hostname", but I think only some machines
           conform to this.  --- yuen
           \_ some sites give out incorrect info to confound '1337 H4X0R5!
              so don't trust hinfo records.
              Alternatives include snmpwalk (get sysobjectid), rsh/ssh, or
              HEAD / HTTP/1.0 and grok the output.
           \_ That doesn't give uname info, does it? The output I'm getting
              is very similar to that of 'dig'.
        \_ I believe you want a tool like nmap
            \_ nmap isn't very accurate, it reports MacOS 9.x as HPUX 11.x
               and FreeBSD 5.0 as Darwin.
2001/12/7-9 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23178 Activity:kinda low
12/7    I'm looking around the IEEE website and google and can't find the
        POSIX specifications for multi-threading.  Help, please!
        \_ You have to pay IEEE to view the POSIX standards online:
           If they've been incorporated into the Single Unix Spec (many
           parts of POSIX have been), you may be able to find them online
           for free at:
                \_ Thanks.  I eventually did find a line somewhere that says
                   the stuff is pay-only and they only do electronic dist. to
                   paying members which is pretty pricey for what I need.
                   I'll check out the austin group thing and see if my spec is
                   in there.
2001/12/5 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23147 Activity:low
12/4    Is there a way to run a proram from another machine, without
        having to log into that machine? Specifically, I'd like to run
        an xbiff icon from another machine, on my local machine (so I can
        tell when that account gets mail). I'd like not to have to keep
        the extra xterm open on my local machine.
        \_ "ssh -X xbiff" might work.  After you enter your
            password you can background the process (or you can & it if
            you have DSA stuff set up).
            \_ or just ssh -f xbiff
               and it will background itself (you only have to give -X if
               whoever set up the client explicitly made X forwarding off by
        \_ Run a cron job on the remote host.  Have it check if your xbiff is
           running and if not, run it with the appropriate parameters/env.
2001/12/5-6 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23145 Activity:moderate
12/5    Does anyone else have termcap problems using xterm from Solaris
        to Linux?  Any ideas how to fix it?  xterm -display solaris:0
        on the linix box works ok but I dont want to do that [low bandwidth].
        \_ Yes, I have 'set prompt="%S%/%%%s "' in my .cshrc, and when I rlogin
           from SusOS 5.7 to Linux 2.2.16-22, all the characters are inverted
           instead of only the prompt.
           \- there are display position problems and rev video problems
           even if you dont use the tcsh highlighting stuff. any remedies
           would be appreciated. --psb
        \_ If you use bash on solaris, upgrade to a newer version. They've
           apparently fixed some of the termcap problems. e.g. line editing
           with widths > 80.
           \- does emacs work cleanly for you? not for me. i dont think
           changing your shell will fixthe problem. --psb
        \_ what kind of termcap problems?  I usually export TERM=xtermc
           if it's the color you want.  you should probably be able to use
           ansi or at the very least vt100 --dwc
                \- hmm, using vt100 seems to work. tnx. --psb
        \_ apparently there have been some "holy wars" about how xterm termcap
           should work between debian linux and the rest of the world.  but
           it seems the new release of XFree86 has joined debian in this.
           \_ XFree86 xterm has many extensions (like color) not present in
                the xterm used by the rest of the world.   Some linux
                distributions are rumored to have an 'xterm-sun' or
                'xterm-r6' termcap entry for the older one, or you can always
                compile the XFree86 xterm on Solaris.
        \_ Yet another reason why *nix isn't ready for the desktop.  Can't
           even get the basic stuff right and it varies across vendors.  If
           something ancient like xterm is causing geeks problems how does
           anyone seriously expect the rest of the system to be ready for
           prime time in the next century?
2001/11/27-28 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Computer/SW/Languages/Perl, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23113 Activity:nil
11/26   How do I find file and symlink only that excludes a, b, and c?
        I tried: find . \( -type f -o -type l \) -name a -prune -o
                        -name b -prune -name c -prune -o -print
        and failed miserably.
        \_ find . \( -type f -o -type l \) -print | egrep -v '^(a|b|c)$'
        \_ perl
2001/11/26 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23107 Activity:very high
11/26   Is there some software I can run on a Solaris NFS client or server
        that will show me what files are being asked for via NFS?
        \_ lsof will compile and almost anything.  Solaris has a native command
           which I can never remember the name of.  --at
           \_ this will miss a short-lived process.  I was looking for
              something at the network or kernel level.
        \_ Run sniff or tcpdump.
2001/11/12 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23018 Activity:nil 75%like:23011
11/12   My ring fingers are too weak.  Is there any way to strengthen them?
        \_ Jerk off with your left hand.
        \_ Why, pray tell, do you want to do that?
           \_ I want to play better piano.
              \_ climbers use hand and finger exercisers. you can probably get
                 one at REI or marmot etc for ~$10. in my experience these
                 often lead to some amount of pain so i back off using it for
                 fear it will get more serious. ok tnx
              \_ Oh, if that's the case, chances are you probably don't need
                 more strength, but rather just more control over that specific
                 finger. Just try hitting keys with that finger alone for
                 awhile, as a drill. Worked for me...
        \_ When in doubt, jerk one out.
2001/11/11-12 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22998 Activity:high
11/10   I need a good unix system administration book. I was about to get
        "Essential System Administration" (Oreilly) but then I started hearing
        about this "purple bible", called "Unix system Administration Handbook),
        ISBN 0130206016. Any recommendations?
        \_ The "Essential System Administration" is a good beginning. It covers
           lot of system administration topics, the kind of things that
           sysadmins deal with on a daily basis. Keep in mind that this book
           (like most technical books) is somewhat out of date. Also, the
                 bad in either. He does have a bad attitude, which is lame.
           coverage of unix networking in this book is very poor (just the basic
           concepts). You might want to also read the "TCP/IP Network
           Administration" from the same publisher to cover the gaps in
        \_ rule #1, sysadmins use 80 columns
        \_ rule #2, the good sysadmins are usually fat and ugly
           \_ you calling tom holub fat and ugly or a bad sysadmin?
              \_ both.
              \_ He's neither good looking nor a good sysadmin. But he's not
                 bad in bed either. He does have a bad attitude, which is lame.
                 \_ Quick!  Censor this!
                 \_ Did he ever graduate?
                    \_ why dont you ask him?
                       \_ I think he did...
                 \_ Just a bad attitude against those who are lame.
                        \_ Yes, Tom was there when they came up with the word
                           "cool".  I always think of Tom when I think "cool".
                           \_ don't you have anything better to do?  -tom
                              \_ Yes but it only takes about 30 seconds every
                                 week and you're so asking for it.
        \_ O'Reilly is more conceptual -- the bus book (which I believe
           is the one you've mentioned -- it has a cartoon picture of
           a bus on the cover) by Evi Nemeth is more application-oriented.
           Those are the 2 most popular UNIX SA books out there.  They
           complement each other nicely.
           \_ conceptual?  not terribly..  but the O'reilly is indeed quite
              good.  helped me survive AIX administration.
              \_ No offence, but while reading the AIX parts of that book (the
                 book often covers the specifics of Solaris, SunOS, Digital
                 UNIX, AIX, Linux, SCO, etc) I was often thinking "WTF were
                 they thinking when designing it [AIX]"
        \_ The purple bible you're referring to is the "UNIX System
           Administration Handbook" by Nemeth et al.  It doesn't really have a
           bus on the cover, it's more of a cartoon SUV.  The purple one is
           the 3rd edition.  It used to be called the red book because the
           2nd edition was red.  It's a much better book than Essential System
           Administration; it's more enjoyable to read, and, in general, it's
           easier to get the information you need quickly with it.
2001/11/1-2 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22900 Activity:high
11/1    Are there any Latino and/or African American members in CSUA?
        \_ I'm latino...
        \_ Do you mean Latino or Hispanic?
        \_ several
        \_ grep Jose /etc/passwd | grep -v Joseph
           \_ How come Jose Bermudez has two logins?
        \_ egrep (Laqisha|Shontee|Laqintas|Tyrone|Wayan|Buba|Denzel)
           soda% egrep (Laqisha|Shontee|Laqintas|Tyrone|Wayan|Buba|Denzel)|wc -l
           \_ It's Bubba (buh-buh), not Buba (bew-ba)
2001/10/26 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22840 Activity:nil
10/26   "Small Amount of Anthrax Found at CIA"
        Yup, the CIA deserves the anthrax for being so impotent facing the
        \_ Moron.  No one deserves anthrax.
           \_ So what's wrong with this idea? The culprit targeted big
              figures like Sen. Daschle, Tom Brokaw, Bush, etc... Now,
              there's no single book one could buy that contains those
              people's addresses and other likely terrorist targets.
              Whoever sent them, more likely than not, used the web to
              search for them and almost all web servers keep logs of
              users visiting web pages and searching for things. Couldn't
              they just look through those logs and derive some sort of
              IP correlation to find the culprit?
                \_ IP != identification, as so many of us firewall admins
                   keep screaming at our clients.  Got a laptop?  An AOL CD?
                   Flat-rate local calling so companies/universities have
                   publically accessible phone taps around?  A razor and
                   a button-down shirt so you don't look obviously like a
                   mad terrorist?  There you go.  -John
2001/10/26 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22837 Activity:nil
10/25   wtf?  Did paolo turn on his auto motd nuking script again?
   > ps aux | grep paolo
   dans     74537  0.0  0.0   268  128  AW  R+   12:02AM   0:00.00 grep paolo
   I guess that would be no.
2001/10/23-24 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22803 Activity:moderate
10/23   How do you stop runaway processes (supposing one process forks
        another, and so forth.  Overflow doesn't occur since the old
        forks close themselves).
        \_ kill -STOP them until your process table overflows, then kill
        \_ kill -SIG -n the process group
           kill -SIG -1 all processes
           depending under which user the processes are running.
        \_ reboot!  oh, this isn't a windows question....
        \_ ulimit is your friend
           \_ or "limit" under csh/tcsh
2001/10/18 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22770 Activity:very high
10/18   Anybody know if there's tcsh for windows 2000?  Or all the unix
        commands like grep, ls, sed, awk, etc on w2k?  I'm trying to make
        this box usable.  Thanks.
        \_ MKS toolkit. demo at
           I think there's a cygwin distribution or something too--oj
        \_ Go to, install the whole thing, and set
           C:\cygwin\bin in your PATH.
2001/10/15 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22738 Activity:high
10/15   I want to restrict a user on a linux box from logging in,
        i only want someone to be able to "su" to this account.
        how do i do that?
        \_ why? if they can su to the account, they get the same privs as if
           they'd logged in.  If they can su, they are already logged in...
        \_ Set there starting shell in /etc/passwd to something that exits
           \_ then you won't be able to su to that account
           \_ Yes, you will.  You won't be able to su -
                \_ when you su to a user, it exec's his shell.
                   Get a clue. -tom
              \_ You mean su -m (or the equivalent) su - means "not only run
                 their shell, but do it as a login process"
        \_ set the password to * in /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow; barring
           publickey ssh authentication, the account should be only
           su-able -max
           \_ Ding ding ding.  Max rocks. --#1 max fan
2001/10/9-10 [Computer/Domains, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22673 Activity:nil
10/9    http://soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU now has an ip address of
        it and scotch (aka ftp) were unreachable due to miswired connections
        in the network closet from the network changeover.  it may take a
        while for new DNS information to get around.  we hope you enjoy
        (but do not abuse) the increased network capacity. --root
2001/10/5 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22634 Activity:very high
10/4    In ksh, how do I change my prompt to display current directory while
        also substituting $HOME for ~ (eg. ~/foo/ instead of /home/moo/foo/)
        \_ 'exec bash'
        \_ personally i like to put pwd in the title of my xterm and
           then use host/user for a prompt.  you can find examples of how to
           set prompt to ~/foo and other goodness at:
2001/9/20 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22550 Activity:high
9/20    In a UNIX shell, what's the best way to traverse the file system,
        executing commands in each directory. find -exec only seems to allow
        one command per result. What I'm trying to do is to have each directory
        in the file hierarchy have a list of all files in . and below.
        \_ 1) Have find exec a script. 2) Use parens.
           \_ my script wants to cd. but the directories have spaces in them.
              \_ use quotes
        \_ How about
                find . -type d -exec find {} -type f -print > {}/files.txt \;
           Except that I don't know how to escape the > and the second {}.
        \_ Why do you need multiple commands per result to do what you want?
        \_ you want find . -name hello | xargs echo ???
        \_ find . -type d -execdir find {} > {}/foo \;
           I want something like that, except I want my redirect to go into the
           directory of the directory from find, not /foo
        \_ This is what I ended up doing:
                find . -type d -exec ./writeit {} \;
                cd "$*"
                find . -name "*.mp3" > list.m3u
2001/9/20 [Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:22547 Activity:nil
9/19    How do you set date and time in freebsd?
        \_ one way is via date(1) like with most unixes/unix-workalikes
           root# date 200212041212
           another way is with the ntpdate(8) command given an ntpserver
           root# ntpdate ntpserver
           some ntpservers at ucb  are http://ntp1-1.Berkeley.EDU and
           This could also be combined with xntpd/ntpd to keep your
           clock in sync during operation. --jon
        \_ man rdate
2001/9/19-20 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22541 Activity:moderate
9/19    Is there any benifit to having a bank account at 1 place for over
        10 years?  (taxwise or credit wise?)
        \_ First, it depends on what sort of customer you are: good or
           bad. Second, it depends on how much business you do with them.
           Finally, any benefits will be assigned by that institution
           only. A lot of times when asking for things like credit line
           increases, business loans, or fee waivers your history with the
           institution does matter. Otherwise, no. --dim
2001/9/19 [Computer/SW/Security, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22516 Activity:nil
ladenix 5.0 (jihad)

login: _
2001/9/16 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22486 Activity:high
9/16    Anyone know who to get zsh to show all completions a la bash
        (ie ls /bin/r[tab-tab] show all the files files in /bin/ that
         start with r)? tia.
        \_ Looks like it's a single tab on ver4.0.2, and tcsh-style ctrl-D on
           ver3.0.8. Don't know when the behavior changed; presumably at
           4.0. -alexf
        \_ Try ctrl-D?
        \_ A single tab seems to be sufficient in zsh.
           \_ I'm using zsh 3.0.8 without any config files and it
              doesn't seem to work. Any hints about what to put in
              my config files.
2001/9/10-11 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22372 Activity:low
9/10    Anybody know what happened to after the verio buyout?  Seems
        like they no longer support their unix shell users.  Can somebody
        recommend another ISP that's fully supporting their unix shell users
        with web hosting and POP, etc?  Thanks.
        \_ I'm still using's shells, but it's true that they seem
           rather orphaned.   -tom
           \_ not to mention they wont bother to set up a single
              non-forwarding SMTP gateway. Their current ones
              ALL allow forwarding ifyou claim an "" From:
              address. Idiots.
              I'd love a better suggestion for ssh access, web hosting,
              and newsreading, for $30 a month or less.
              \_ I use <DEAD><DEAD> for ssh access to a shell account for $10/month.
                 Note that I do not get dialup access (or any sort of
                 network connection).
2001/9/6 [Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/SW/OS] UID:22329 Activity:nil
9/4     Is it possible for a unix kernel to communicate with its user
        processes by just using shared memory?
        \_ yes, its done in device drivers all the time
           \_ what mechanism or api are they using?  shmget, ...
              \_ the program mmaps the device driver's dev file.
                 there is an entry point for mmap in the dev sturcture in
                 the kernel, just as there are entry points for read and
                 write. -ali
2001/9/6 [Computer/SW/Languages/Web, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22325 Activity:nil
9/5     DEADBEEF, CAFEBABE, what else.
        \_ D000B015 --pld
        \_  grep '^[a-fo]*$' /usr/share/dict/words   -- misha
            \_ grep -i '^[a-foizsg]*$' /usr/share/dict/words | tr \
               '[a-foOiIzZsSgG]' '[A-F0011225599]'   -alexf&&officehosers
               \_ [] and '' are not needed for tr. -- 0XCF31337
               \_ well if you're gonna go that far you might as well add
                  in the '7' == 'T'... personally I wouldn't go beyond 0,1,5.
                  this problem is not complete until you compile a list of all
                  8-letter combinations.
                  \_ sorry all, I'm dumb... what are we looking for here?
        \_ ABEDBABE
2001/8/31-9/1 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22310 Activity:very high
8/31    How do I use the "-M" operator in tcsh?  Say I want to check
        if a file has been modified in the past 24 hours.  How do I do
        "if (-M myFile ......)"?  Thanks.
        \- it isnt builtin last time i checked:
        $ageday = (-M $FILE_TO_STAT);
        $agehrs = $ageday * 24;
        $agemin = $agehrs * 60;
        $agesec = $agemin * 60;
        agesec !:1 | grep ^seconds: | cut -f2 -d:
        ok tnx.
        \_ i think this works:
           touch .now ; if ( -M ___ > -M .now - 60 * 60 * 24 ) ...

           replace ___ with the file you want to test, and ... with the
           command you want run. -jlau
           \_ That's ingenious!  Thanks!
2001/8/30-31 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22298 Activity:high
8/30    I'm trying to use ftp over ssh. I forwarded ports 20 and 21 to 2000 and
        2100, then use ftp -p -P 2100, but the passive mode isn't working.
        What am I forgetting?
        \_ you're forgetting that ftp over ssh is more trouble than it's
        \_ sftp, baby
        \_ stunnel
        \_ This is to a computer that I have no control over.
           \_ why don't you ssh into that computer and then use ftp with s/key
              to a computer you DO have control over?
              \_ I want to ftp between two machines, neither of which have
                 s/key. The file is 100MB, so I don't want to have to put to
                 soda, then get from soda.
2001/8/29-30 [Academia/Berkeley/Classes, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22287 Activity:insanely high
8/29    In the past few years I've been hearing a lot of bad things about the
        quality of UCB EECS. I've heard that they're system level stupid
        (Java-centric), editor incompetent (pico), and non-UNIX savvy
        (M$ NT, MFC C++, etc). Is this true with the grad students?
        \_ Latest I've heard is that 162 (OS) is taught in Java now.
           \_ Holy shit!
        \_ Ya, but recently, students have been programming GUI's in 61b.
           That wasn't done too often 10 years ago.
        \_ We had an intern this summer (EECS Junior) who had trouble
           using the UNIX/Linux CLI (tar/gzip/make/cc). He used pico
           almost exclusively, but he knew his C and Perl quite well.
           I don't think that this is limited to Cal. We have some
           guys from UIUC who can barely use vi/make/cc correctly
           and struggle on systems without X11 but if you ask them
           to debug code they can do it quite well.
        \_ it's not the tool they use but how they use the tools.
           If you want Unix + emacs + gcc , you are just as locked
           from reality as the people you're attacking.
           \_ I've been in the industry for 8 years and I still use Unix and
              emacs everyday in all of the three jobs I've had.  I'm also using
              gcc in the third job right now.
           \_ replace "want" with "insist".  But then this has been an
              often beated down topic not worth revisiting.
        \_ i don't think it's the responsibility of a university to teach
           you how to use the programming tools of the day. it's job is
           to show you the big picture and understand the underlying
           concepts. it's assumed that you are smart enough that you
           could start using MFC correctly after 2 days even though
           you've been using Qt for 3 years. Fundamentally, there is
           nothing different between gcc+emacs+gdb/vc++, or gtk,qt/MFC,
           or C++,scheme/Java. If you don't know how to make the
           transition, you either missed the point of school, or you
           should be attending a vocational school. -ali.
        \_ Arrrrrrrrrrgh, matey!  UCB EECS today warn't nothin' like the
           swashbucklin' days of yore, when manly men like m'self walked
           the decks of Cory Hall!  Back then, we built our own calculatin'
           machines out of gears we milled ourselves from rods of iron!
           We 'programmed' 'em by movin' the gears into place with wooden
           sticks, powerin' the whole works by leather belts attached to a
           waterwheel!  Men could lose their fingers in works like that --
           you could tell the real 'hackers', because they were the ones
           walking around with nothing but stumps for hands.  Lily-livered
           Windows-usin' nancy-boys that they let waltz out of the program
           these days -- wait 'til they meet *me* 'round a dark corner
           \_ you had milling machines? you had waterweels?  jeez.  I remmember
              spending my first two years here running on a treadmill to
              power the machines for the upper division classes, and cutting
              gears out of mastadon tusks with bits of sharp rock.
           \_ and you'll what, club them with your stump?
           \_ you are right!  Try taking CS 164 with VT220 terminals.
              \_ Achoi could work on his 162 project with one VT220 terminal in
           \_ this is one of the funniest things I've seen on the motd in a
              while.  thanks for making my day.
           \_ HAHA!!! What planet are you from?
           \_ You didn't happen to write Myst and Riven did you?  That would
              explain all the inane puzzles....
              \_ Both Myst and Riven were written by Christian Fundies, what
                 more explanation do you need?
2001/8/27 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22270 Activity:high
8/27    from a unix admin at ucsf to a guy I know...

> Dear [USER],
> The password command is currently available between the
> hours of 4PM to 9AM. This is to reduce the number of password
> modifications during business hours, which tend to use a lot of
> system resources.

These people MUST be joking.
\_ Don't some passwd commands require replication throughout the network?
   E.g., I have a address but there are 150
   possible machines I can login to spanning different UNIXs and Windoze NT
   \_ I think this is rediculous too. A well designed NIS, NIS+, LDAP (or about
      any other directory server) architecture should handle hundreds of clients
      and thousands of user accounts no matter how often they change their
      passwords.  They must be rdisting passwd/shadow files or something other
      equally dull on that system.
2001/8/23 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22218 Activity:kinda low
8/22     How do you do multilevel command substitution? For example,
        echo `echo `echo `echo hello```
        But how do you escape the `?
        \_ In (t)csh, you can't; in most other shells, you can do it like this:
           echo $(echo $(echo $(echo hello)))
        \_ How about echo hello | xargs echo | xargs echo | xargs echo?
        \_ echo `echo \`echo \\\`echo hello\\\`\``
           \_ not in tcsh you don't.
2001/8/23-24 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22216 Activity:high
8/22    Nowadays everyone tells me csh/tcsh sucks.  I started my
        undergraduate at Cal in 1990, and all of my first UNIX accounts
        defaulted to csh.  Given that csh wasn't the standard shell in UNIX
        and it looks like all the other more advanced shells (bash, ksh, ...)
        seem to have existed back then, why weren't new students set up to
        learn one of those shells right at the beginning?
        \_ *csh sucks for scripting, but for normal, daily, interactive
           use tcsh is probably more intuitive.  A well-config'ed bash
           environment is every bit as good as tcsh (perhaps better w/
           respect to using scripts) but takes a little more effort to
           \_ last i checked bash's completions weren't as buff as tcsh's..
              of course zsh is DA POWER SHELL
           \_ bash's prompt doesn't do colors/hiliting.
              \_ not a big deal
                 \_ all else being equal, it makes tcsh a better interactive
                    \_ All thing being equal, not being able to do the
                       equivalent of "command 2> errors " makes tcsh worse
                       interactive shell for me.
                       \_ what about >& in tcsh?
                       \_ in tcsh: (command > /dev/tty) >& errors
                          \_ yes, but that's a silly kludge.
                    \_ I just love how tcsh has different syntaxes for set and
                       setenv.  brilliant.
        \_ Because in 1990, csh could be found in nearly every form of *NIX
           that had existed for the last five years. Think LCD. What good
           is it to know tcsh when you're doing work on an SCO box at LBL?
           It's why you learn "vi" or "ed." Because sometimes you're on a
           POS without modern tools. Bearskins and stone knives, my friend.
2001/8/22-24 [Computer/SW/Languages, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22215 Activity:nil
8/22    In bourne shell, what does the following mean? "exec 0<&5 5<&-"
        \_ Close file descriptor 0 (standard input), and replace it with
           a copy of file descriptor 5; then close file descriptor 5.
2001/8/22 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22211 Activity:nil
8/22    In Makefile, how do I specificy the following without having to
        enclose it within a directive (e.g. all:) ?

        if [ _$(findstring 1.2.1_03,$(JAVA_VERSION)) = _1.2.1_03 \
          -o _$(findstring 1.2.2_05,$(JAVA_VERSION)) = _1.2.2_05 \
           ]; then \
          $(ECHO) "Error: JDK version $(JAVA_VERSION) cannot be used." ;\
          exit 1 ;\
        fi ;\
2001/8/21 [Computer/SW/Languages, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22198 Activity:nil
8/20    I've been able to do "echo $JAVA_HOME/abcd:$JAVA_HOME/xyz" for many
        years but today I get an error message regarding a bad modifier. Now
        I have to explicitly say "echo ${JAVA_HOME}/abcd:${JAVA_HOME}/xyz".
        What the hell changed? I still use tcsh.
        \_ Perhaps : colon is a modifier, hehe. What did you change?
           What is JAVA_HOME? Show exact transcript of your terminal session
        \_ You changed shell?
2001/8/20 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22180 Activity:very high
8/20    [this is a copy of a message from Mike Clancy, posted here to gather
        I'm designing a "security" quiz for 9E.  Topics I've thought of so
        far include file permissions (what should be readable/executable and
        what should not), the sequence of directories in $PATH, use of xhost,
        and setting up ssh access.  I'd appreciate any other suggestions you
        might have.
        \_ why setuid/setgid shell scripts are bad and typically not supported.
           how to resolve of the problems with setuid shell scripts and
           chgrp, why chown is restricted to superusers.
           the limitations of those "solutions"
           Why setuid/setgid programs are good/bad
           chgrp, why chown is restricted to superusers. --jon
        \_ directory permissions: difference between r-x and --x
           and how command line args (e.g. vi filename) show up in ps output
        \_ What the sticky bit is, and why you would use it.
        \_ Why /etc/passwd is world readable but /etc/shadow is not.
        \_ Why anyone who has to take 9E having root is a bad idea.
           \_ What's 9E? - non ee/cs alum
              \_ self-paced unix course
        \_ How to tell when paolo is running a script that deletes the motd
           every 3 minutes.  -tom
        \_ What's a jail, what does tripwire do.  -John
        \_ Using my 1st amendment right, I disagree with tom.
        \_ How to figure out that paolo is running a script which deletes
           the motd every 3 minutes.  -tom
        \_ Why you shouldn't use any English word, however uncommon it is, as
           your password.  -- yuen
        \_ Why two bits of salt for a passwd is bad.
        \_ Why xhost should never be used and how to use xauth -alan
           \_ Why xauth is too much trouble and how to use ssh.
        \_ tom, are you still an undergrad?
            \_ no.
               \_ to paraphrase Theo: "Perhaps you should stay clear of
                  discussions where the roles of undergraduate cs students --
                  especially what their responsibilities-- are being discussed."
2001/8/19 [Computer/SW/Unix, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:22174 Activity:nil
8/19    [ Censoring trolls are the worst.  -- stupid troll deletion daemon ]
2001/8/17-19 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22152 Activity:moderate
8/17    How can a user put items on the CSUA public FTP server?
        \_ The csua public FTP server or some other public FTP server?
           \_ CSUA.
        \_ the CSUA public FTP is maintained but deprecated.
           you can put files up for public HTTP access instead,
           via your public_html directory. if you have a good
           reason to insist on FTP, mail root. --jwang
           \_ old people, like old profs, are used to using FTP
              like the guvmit.
2001/8/17-19 [Computer/HW, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22146 Activity:high
8/16    I'm writing the tcp server and for simplicity I've chosen to
        write it as a concurrent server (call fork() for each client).
        I'd like to limit the max number of concurrent instances of my
        server that can run. I tried looking in Stevens Unix Network
        Programming, but this doesn't seem to be covered. Any ideas? TIA.
        \_ you know, you can't expect the answer to every fucking dumb
           question answered in a book. at some point, the book has to
           assume you have a brain. why don't you just fucking keep
           track of the count of children in the listening process?
           \_ Well, you have to decrement the count in the SIGCHLD
              handler and there is a small possibility that you might
              miss a signal while you are in the handler. I need something
              \_ A reasonable objection, but if this is really an issue,
                 you can store a list of all children, and poll all of them
                 once every {minute,hour,day,week,???} to see if they're
                 all still alive. This is admittedly a hack though. -alexf
                 \_ This is what it looks like I'm going to have to do.
              \_ um. no.
                 \_ Not all platforms support reliable signal
                    delivery. One of the systems I need to support
                    does not reliably queue signals.
                    \_ man wait[pid|3|4] this should be reliable, but of
                       course none of us can really help if we don't
                       know anything about the platforms you are using.
        \_ Looking at might help.
           It's fairly portable afaik, but djb's coding style is crazy.
                                                     -- misha.
           -c option does what you want.  -- misha.
2001/8/16 [Computer/Theory, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22139 Activity:low
        \_ woah!
        \_ Uhm...that's sort of scary.
        \_ Yucks!
        \_ She can't be THAT brainy -- she still uses telnet.
2001/8/11-12 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22084 Activity:high
08/11   How can I setup htaccess to protect my web files? Any samples or docs ?
        \_ use google.
        \_ Make a .htaccess file in the directory you want to protect (will
           be inherited by all below it)  In it put:

           AuthType Basic
           AuthName "Top Secret User (Or Whatever you Want)"
           AuthUserFile /path/to/passwd/file/not/web/accessible
           require valid-user

           Then run /path/to/htpasswd -c /path/you/used/above username
           to make a new user and create the password file.
        \_ touch ~/public_html/.htaccess
           chmod o-r !$
2001/8/10-11 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22075 Activity:kinda low
8/10    Is there a function that will log the messages that pop up
        periodically on a xterm buffer? Thanks.
        \_ You mean loggin the output of your commands in the xterm?  Left-
           click on the xterm window, choose "Log to File", then look for a
           file like in your home dir.  --- yuen
2001/8/10-11 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22070 Activity:very high
8/10    Are there commonly used filename suffixes for sh scripts, csh scripts
        and tcsh scripts?  (e.g. .pl is for Perl scripts; .c is for C files.)
        \_ Use .sh for sh/bash scripts; never use *csh for any sort of
                       \_ and ksh
           scripting purpose.  It does funny things sometimes-- see Unix
           Power Tools.
           \_ In the words of Tom Christiansen:
           \_ My script is very simple and it only has several lines of
              commands.  No variable substition, no conditional, etc.  The
              only thing I need the shell to do is some filename expension
              of the form:
                cmd1 ~/foo/{`whoami`_*}/bar/{dir1,dir2,dir3} arg1 | \
                cmd2 ~/baz/`date | cut -d' ' -f1`.txt arg2
              I couldn't get this to work in my crontab file which I suppose
              uses sh syntax, so I ended up putting it in a csh script.  I
              [ Reformatted - motd formatting daemon ]
              know very little about shell scripts anyway.
              [ Reformatted - motd formatting god ]
              \_ It only works in csh because of the ~.  Some other shells
                 will let you use ~, but you should be able to rewrite it in
                 \_ But the {} part doesn't work either.  How do I do
                 sh using ${HOME} instead of ~.
                 \_ But the {} part doesn't work in sh either.  How do I do
                    "bar/{dir1,dir2,dir3}" in sh so that it expands correctly?
                    \_ for i in dir1 dir2 dir3 ; do <stuff> ; done
              \_ DIR="$HOME/foo/`whoami`_*/bar"
                 FILE="$HOME/baz/`date | cut -d' ' -f1`.txt"
                 for i in dir1 dir2 dir3 ;
                 do cmd1 "$DIR/$i" arg1 | cmd2 "$FILE" arg2 ; done
                 \_ But that means running the commands three times instead
                    of running the commands once with the three paths as
                    three arguments.
                    \_ DIR="$HOME/foo/`whoami`_*/bar"
                       FILE="$HOME/baz/`date | cut -d' ' -f1`.txt"
                       for i in dir1 dir2 dir3 ;
                       do MYDIR="$MYDIR $DIR/$i" ; done
                       cmd1 $MYDIR arg1 | cmd "$FILE" arg2
            \_ Actually, .pl is supposed to be for "perl library" files, or
               included snippets of scripts.  Whole perl scripts are supposed
               to be .p, though I never bother putting an extension on them,
               as they're executable in their own right.
               \_ What's your source? Nothing on google that supports your
                  statement, and .pl is absolutely standard usage (with
                  .ph = perl header [mostly perl4 and down] and .pm = perl
                  module [perl5 and up]). Furthermore there's a story floating
                  around about Larry Wall taking the last 2 letters of "BCPL"
                  to complete the sequence of BCPL descendants (.b, .c, .pl).
                  \_ perlcc, for starters.
               \_ In actual usage, I always see .pl as perl executables,
                  and never see .p
                  \_ indeed.
               \_ I thought perl libraries and modules had the .pm extension
                  \_ no, just modules
2001/8/7-8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22041 Activity:high
8/7     Does soda have sww mounted?
        \_ No.
        \_ who is sww?
           > finger sww
           finger: sww: no such user
           \- dumbass...
2001/8/7 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22028 Activity:nil
8/7     How is it that whenever I sign into my hotmail account, MSN
        Instant Messenger some how starts and re-registers itself
        to execute at login, without it ever asking me for permission?
        \_ Error: incorrect operating system detected. Please try again.
2001/8/6 [Computer/SW/OS, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22014 Activity:low
8/5     I need to capture about 5 minutes of a DVD (normal Blockbuster
        movie) in any sort of format: mpeg, mov, real, avi, etc. Any
        suggestions how to do this? Thanks.
        \_ Video capture card. DVD software viewers bypass the OS,
           and write straight to the screen so you can't capture
           video directly. Copyrights. You have to get a capture card.
        \_ do you have a DVD-ROM drive?  if so, then you could try getting
           some ripping/decryption utilities.  otherwise, as the above poster
           stated, a capture card is your best bet, but you may run into
           problems with Macrovision.
        \_ isn't there some program called 'flask' that does this?
        \_ 1) rip dvd from DVD drive to hard drive (vobdec)
           2) use flask mpeg to convert dvd mpg to avi
           3) use program (premiere or any others) to cut clip from avi
           4) convert avi to whatever (mpg, asf, mov)
2001/8/5 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22007 Activity:nil
8/4     Why is everyone bashing Bush- Bash the dot coms, bash the
        financial anaysts, bash the consultants, bash msft, bash the
        FCC.. bush's role in the whole thing is very small- Presidents
        are very limited in what they can do and I believe he is doing as
        much "good" as anyone else could do. He might be doing it in a
        different way but the "good" is still occuring.
          what the hell is supporting our economy right now- energy,
        construction and governemtn spending- if Bush put restraints on
        these we would be in deap shit.  The is nothing he can do to
        stimulate investment- government IT spending is going up
        substantially but compared to what the private sector was doing
        its small potatoes and more gearer towards larger companies-- ie
        Boeing, EDS, Dyncorp, Lockhead. IS this good -- hell ya as at
        leasts it better than nothing at all. result- flight to
        \_ hi kinney!
2001/8/2 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21987 Activity:moderate
8/1     On a four button suit, all 4 buttons are buttoned, right?
        \_ four button suit is queer.
           \_ man, i totally disagree with this slacking "button only
              some buttons" bullshit. you got bottuons. you either leave them
              open or close them. what's this "can't go either way" bullshit?
        \_ No, you leave the bottom button undone. -ausman
           \_ I thought this only applies to two-button suits.
              \_ I think that this applies to all single breasted suits and
                 all vests. Its some english thing, some king did it that
                 way two hundred years ago so we have to honor tradition or
                 some garbage like that.
        \_ you can go your own way.  (go your own waaaay...)
           unbutton the 2nd from the top.
           \- 4 button suit was queer, then stright guys who were non-large
           began wearing them. i believe you button all the buttons. on some
                               \- looks like a bunch of web sites say all
                                  except bottom one as with other single-b
                                  suits. --psb
                                  [ reformatted - motd reformatting daemon ]
                                  \_ Its that english king thing that I was
                                     talking about. Its all very stupid anyway.
           depending on the lapel cut it is probably ok to but up to the 3rd.
           selecting the currect knot [half or full] probably matters more with
           a 4b suit. i think the height of the 4b suit wave has passed but i
           just got one. anyine have tv or web page evidence you do button
           bottom button? tastefully, non-gay, --psb
        \_ Related question, how many sodans actually wear suits for something
           other than weddings? I've got a suit and a blue blazer and I rarely
           use them. The last time I wore the blazer was on my trip to india.
           (I needed a jacket with a lot of pockets that were hard to pick).
           \_ I wear suits to interviews.
2001/7/28 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21979 Activity:kinda low
7/27    Where does tcsh gets the $user variable on Solaris? it now gets set
        as 'root' even though id shows I am still me. This also happens with
        bash/ksh. Our system has recently gone through some nis changes.
        I removed all my . files and it still happens. Is this variable being
        set somewhere? Thanks a lot.
        \_ use the source luke.
2001/7/27 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21962 Activity:very high
7/26    what's the most buggiest linux/freebsd/solaris daemon you can think of?
        \_ apparently whatever grammar check you used on this motd entry.
        \_ not exactly a daemon, but linux's tape system.  fukn a.
           \_ linux has a tape system?
        \_ rpcbind
        \_ bugd
        \_ " NFS
           \_ NFS, seconded. See also: "nlockmgr", "gaping hole", "rpc.statd",
              "security nightmare", et al
              \_ No.
        \_ follow up.  Where can i find old versions of bind, wuftpd,
           rpc.statd. etc?
           \_ - paolo
2001/7/26 [Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:21953 Activity:high
7/25    Is there a Unix/Linux application or tool that can open up EPS
        files and modify them (like draw lines on them, for example)?
        I need to it keep it as EPS, because it's going to be inserted
        into a Postscript document.
        \_ SodiPodi.  --mogul
        \_ Doesn't the gimp do this?( -ulysses
           \_ gimp is not a vector drawing program.  If you want to do
              something very simple (or something very tricky), you
              might want to edit PostScript source directly -- it's fun.
              For some definition of "fun".  -- misha.
              \_ What Misha said. You can find "the" reference at:
                 It's a rather simple stack-machine based language;
                 small changes shouldn't be too difficult. -alexf
        \_ can Adobe Illustrator do that?  I remember an app called
  on the NeXT and Macintosh platform...
                \_ Yeah, I used ai, but that's only for Win/Mac. I needed
                   something Unix-based. And I know gimp isn't a vector
                   based program, but I was still able to make my changes
                   and save as an .eps file. Thanks, ulysses. But I will
                   try editing the ps source directly.
        \_ do you have to start with eps?  if your source can do some
           more abstract format, e.g. cgm, you can import into any number
           of vector formats, edit, and eventually export to eps.
        \_ how about KIllustrator/Kontour?
2001/7/23 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21909 Activity:moderate
07/22   3 syncs represent the trinity - init, the child and the eternal zombie
        process.  In doing 3, you're paying homage to each and I think such
        traditions are important in this shallow, mercurial business we find
        ourselves in. - j.k.h.
        \_ What does 'halt' represent?  As we all know, the mantra is:
           'sync; sync; sync; halt'
           \_ amen
           \_ The undiscovered country from whose borne no luser returns
              \_ It makes us rather bare those ills of the working system
                 we have than to fly to others we know not of.
           \_ For those who follow the fourth revision of the gospel of the
              fifth coming (mostly the sun worshippers among us) the mantra
              is: 'sync; sync; sync; init 5'
2001/7/21-22 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21897 Activity:low
7/21    /tmp/finger installed so you can finger people who have .nofinger
        installed. -ali
        \_ guess I will just have to link that core file to $HOME/.plan
           and $HOME/.project
           \_ you do what you like.
        \_ /csua/bin/finger
2001/7/17 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21819 Activity:low
7/16    How do I setup sendmail to deliver mail locally only to those with
        local accounts, and use a remote mail server for those with NFS
        mounted home dirs ?
        \_ give them different mail domains.
2001/7/17 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21815 Activity:high
7/16    How come
                some_program | sed 's/.*/&abc/'
        works, but not
                echo `some_program | sed 's/.*/&abc/'`
        in tcsh?
        \_ Try this:
                echo `some_program | sed 's/.\*/&abc/'`
           --- yuen
           \_ Doesn't work...
              \_ No idea.  Actually your original form already works for me in
                 tcsh.  -- yuen
                 \_ Turns out to be some output of some_program that
                    screwed it up.
2001/7/16-17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21811 Activity:insanely high
7/16    I'm new to CSUA. Can somebody tell me who the following people are
        (one sentence per user please thanks):
        \_ hi troll!
        kchang (is that you)-
        seano - see fucker
        fucker - see seano
        lila- she's just zees gal, you know?
        kchang (is that you)- twink
                \_ hello!       -kchang #1 fan
        tjb- trevor j. buckingham. controversial republican that complains
             about being oppressed and spouts lots of harsh remarks on
             newsgroups. smokes a lot of pot and is into turntablism.
                \_  he's a victim of the Jews.  Plus he denied a girl
                    \_ not just any girl, but a playboy playmate.
                       TJB was also involved in the notorious Han-Shen,
                       Tom Clancy CS61x incident.
                       Mike Clancy CS61x incident.
                       \_ In which he defected to the United States in
                          a Typhoon-class submarine. -geordan
        tom- grouchy bike Nazi
                \_ Tell us about the stars!
                \_ wait, I thought I was a communist.  -tom
                   \_ Okay you're a grouchy bike Nazi Communist eco nut.
                      Are you throughly ticked off yet?
        ilyas- russian guy who talks about physics and "AI" and "hard"
               theoretical problems... and is completely insane
                                                         \_ Hey! -- ilyas
                                              \_ Hey! -- ilyas
                                                 \_ Fine.  Incompletely.
        ali- arrogant Irani who knows C++ well. but no one cares.
        muchandr- strange slav who talks to aliens. or maybe he is an alien
        sky- recovering speed fiend
        psb- !psb, 'nuff said.
                \- ok. thnx.
                   \-for the second time, that's "ok tnx". ok tnx, --psb
                     \- ok tnx. -!psb 'nuff said.
                        \_ why all the thanking? they've done no service worthy
                           of thanks. call them bitches and slap their asses.
             \_ The origins of psb are shrouded in the mists of time.
                Legends speak of psb's presence in the hallowed halls
                before the first motd and the mark I.
                \_ Not that shrouded. See: /csua/archive/adm/aliases/members
                   That file pinpoints date of psb joining csua as Sep 30 1987.
                   \_ the dates on list the are inaccurate.  --!psb
                \_ There is always Partha, and there will always be Partha.
        dbushong - ?
                   --Alan Coopersmith
                   \_ psb is like the Tom Bombadil of the CSUA.
                      \_ except grouchier
                         \_ Doesn't Tom Bombadil have great powers that were
        kinney -- ?
                            never exactly explained?
                            \_ Well, he could do shit to trees, and he had
                               lots of food.  He also sang alot.
                               \_ Wasn't PSB supposed to be The Emperor in the
                                  CSUA Star Wars?  Isn't it strange to make
                                  him TB in the CSUA LOTR.  How about a Nazgul.
        uctt - The Rock
        asshole anonymous motd poster - me. plus you, it seems.
        \_ You should probably also learn about:
           \_ I know all about yermom
              \_ I know all about your gf
        bh - ?
        \_ Brian Harvey the faculty?
        alanc - lurks newsgroups at night, helping those in need.
        dbushong - he's just zees guy, you know?
        alexf -
          \_ WHOOHOO!!! I _AM_ The Most Anonymous MOTD H0zer! Ph33r
             my an0nym0us 1337n3ss. To quote a well-known source,
             "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?"  -alexf
        Galen - guy who uses a capital G.
        \_ What about phillip?
        ranga---- actually posts useful information. wrote a book or two.
                \_ isn't that against the CSUA convention? What book(s)?
                   \_ Wow:
                       its abit surprise for me no one ever pointed out the
        \_ What about phillip?
                       amount of typos in the book. i found many typos esp.
                       from the chapter 12 in both explanations and
                       examples. well... no complex examples are presented
                       in the book so you may easily correct the errors but,
                       \_ I'm not very happy about the typos. The original
                          manuscript contains few of the errors in the
                          finally printing. The converstion process the
                          publisher used involved Word which "corrects"
                          things that it things are "wrong". Also, there
                          were "readability" changes just before printing
                          that I was not informed about.
                       it is not something i expected from the 5 star rated
                       book from many guys. so i give it 2 stars to be fair.
                          with very little familiarity to UNIX. It was
                          some what difficult to come up examples for
                          this audience.
                       you are gonna end up spending extra times to correct
                       the errors.
                       \_ I'm not very happy about the typos, as the
                          manuscript contained very few of the errors
                          that were present in the printed version. The
                          conversion process used by the publisher involved
                          Word which "corrects" things that it thinks are
                          "wrong". There were some "readability" changes
                          just before printing that I was not informed
                          about as well. All of this contributed to
                          defects you mentioned.
                          Anyway, the examples are simple because the
                          intended audience is beginning computer users
                          with very little familiarity with UNIX. It was
                          somewhat difficult to come up with examples
                          for this audience.
                          I'm not sure where you got the "five stars"
                          bit though.
                          \_ hmm, you have enough errors right here on motd.
                             "familiarity to", "some what", "converstion".
                             \_ yes, I see your point. The manuscript was
                                was proofread by three or four people in
                                order to catch these types of errors (esp.
                                in the examples). In general my motd
                                postings rarely receive that much attention.
                                \_ dude, better quit while you're ahead.
                                   (btw, i before e except after c)
                                   \_ I should have had you proofread.
                                      \_ next time, slap the whole manuscript
                                         on the motd and let us have a go...
                                         \_ not a bad idea. I could post
                                            urls for the ascii text versions
                                            of each chapter.
        kinney -- [ Kinney's drivel deleted. ]
2001/7/4 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21712 Activity:insanely high
7/4     I'm running win2k.  when i leave my computer alone
        for a while and I come back, I have to enter in my password
        to "unlock" it.  How do get rid of this?
        \_ M-X install-linux
        \_ disable the screen saver password.
         \_ no it's something else
            \_ works for me.  dunno what weird config you have.
        \_ Control Panel -> Power Options
        \_ Repartition, install !win2k.
2001/7/3-4 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21708 Activity:high
7/3     Isn't fgrep supposed to be faster then grep?  On SunOS 5.7, I did some
        timing by using grep and fgrep to look for a non-existing string in
        /usr/include/*.h, and fgrep seems to take twice as long as grep.
        \_ fgrep is just grep with string searches instead of regexp searches.
           I would be suprised if they didn't use the exact same code path.
                \_ I would be very surprised if they did.
        \_ ``In  addition,  two  variant  programs  egrep and fgrep are
           available.  egrep is the same as grep -E.   fgrep  is  the
           same as grep -F.  zgrep is the same as grep -Z.''
                \_ This is GNU grep. Don't erase my comments chump.
        \_ It's faster for very large strings or large numbers of strings.
           For normal usage, it's not much different:
           Once upon a time agrep was fastest, but GNU grep may have caught
           up since then:
2001/6/30 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21685 Activity:nil
6/29   There's no identd daemon running, what happened?  -phr
       \_ maybe you should get off irc once in a while?
       \_ identd(8)
2001/6/26-27 [Computer/SW/OS, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21640 Activity:high
6/25    Is there some minimum amount of time i can be sure a process ID won't
        be reused?  Or, once it a process is killed is it theoretically
        possible that, on a busy enough system, that PID would be reused
        almost instantly for a new process?
        \_ Why do you need the PID to be associated with a dead process?  Is
           there another way?
        \_ For what OS?  I think for UNIX it is theoretically possible that the
           PID gets re-used right away, but I think in practice programmers
           ignore such a small possibility and just assume that the PID is good
           enough for identifying a process.
            \_ there is only one true O.S. that is the one this file is on.
                \_ PhilOS?
2001/6/19 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21572 Activity:very high
6/19    My supervisor is suggesting we switch all our solaris servers (NFS
        home,mail,web,E450s,Ultras) over to Cobalt boxes. Has anyone done
        this before? Can anyone give me pro/con arguments for this idea
        from a user/cost/support perspective? We're a field office
        but still need to interface with the out-of-state parent company
        that still runs solaris. We lost our two SAs and I've basically
        become part-time computer support (with pay raise TBD).  It's still
        UNIX/Linux, so transition should be fairly easy? Users (and my sup)
        use laptops a lot.
        \_ Don't use cobalt for NFS. They don't support NFSv3 and the NFSv2
           implementation is stock linux, and is buggy as hell. As far as
           mail (sendmail,imap,pop) go, a raq4 should be able to replace a
           low-end ultra1/2.
           \- if you have invested in the hardware and setup already, what is
           the point of changing? growth? --psb
              \_ I'm not sure. coolness? newness? easier to grow or support??
                 \_ You can scale much higher with Sparc's than PC hardware.
                    \_ What do you mean? x86 linux farms scale just as well
                 \_ At least for the cobalt's, the Web Admin GUI can be used
                    by total idiots to keep the box running. Sparc's required
                    moderately clued in people (at least as clued in as Tom).
                    \_ You cant see any detailed DHCP logs/usage-info from
                       \_ This is not a heavily requested feature.
        \_ If the question involves NFS, the answer is never Linux.
           \_ Unless the question is, 'What is the K3W1357 05 3V3R?' (or
              some variation thereof), the answer is never Linux.
2001/6/17-18 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21551 Activity:kinda low
6/17    Any BGP gurus who can help me with a problem?  I'm trying to set up
        a unix box speaking BGP4 with a router (A) on one side, and OSPF with
        a router (B) hanging off another interface.  If both routers A & B
        have different /24 segments of the same B-class hanging off other
        interfaces, I am able to distribute the whole aggregated B-class
        (/16 network) from A to the unix box, and from there to router B,
        and I can see router B's /24s on the unix box, but cannot re-
        distribute those particular /24s to router A via BGP.  This is a
        Solaris box running gated, which is able to handle & redistribute all
        other BGP or OSPF-learned routes I throw at it.  Is BGP not able
        to redistribute a subnet in direction -> if it's learned the
        aggregated range this subnet is part of from <- ?  I'm a bit lost,
        since I can't find any docs on this particular behavior.  -John
        \_ I'm not too familiar with BGP, but you should probably ask
           this question on the nanog mailing list. ----ranga
           this question on the nanog mailing list rather than on the
           motd. ----ranga
2001/6/16 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21542 Activity:very high
6/15    In a controversial press release, RIAA announced that using FAT32 file
        system should be made illegal. Recently it has come to RIAA officials'
        attention that the FAT32 file system, commonly found in the PCs
        running MS Windows software, can be used for storing pirated mp3 files.
        "We were shocked when we have learned of such possibility. We are
        already working closely with Microsoft to create a successor to FAT32 -
        PHAT32, a new read-only file system." - said a RIAA spokesman today.
        Microsoft's Steve Baldmer confirms: "We have been considering to
        disable the write access for a while now. After all, our users don't
        need write access to install applications any more. The upcoming
        Windows XP release has everything that a user will need including
        a virtual kitchen sink." SodanNews reporters were not able to reach
        Sinkware Solutions officials, the makers of Virtual Kitchen Sink 2000
        (tm), for a comment.
        \_ Don't you mean Virtual Kitchen Sink XP? Surely they wouldn't ship
           WinXP with an outdated VKS install...
        \_ Is this the CSUA version of The Onion?
        \_ Humble, indeed.
        \_ Funnies aside does anyone care to speculate how well does
           Relatable technology that identifies a song from its signal
           work? Napster is using it to fingerprint tracks.
        \_ When questioned about their views on NFS, an RIAA spokesman replied,
           "What is NFS?" After a brief explanation from SodanNews reporters,
           the RIAA spokesman was aghast. "Network file systems are an
           abomination. Clearly they were designed to violate copyright law by
           promoting the unauthorized distribution of music, and their use must
           be stopped." Steve Baldmer responded, "This only proves that Unix is
           evil. What do you expect from people who think software should be
           free? They're pirates, plain and simple."
           \_ And who says AI is useless!
           \_ Its all about subliminal channels.
        \_ When questioned about their views on NFS, an RIAA spokesman
           responded, "What is NFS?" After a brief explanation from SodanNews
           reporters, the RIAA spokesman was aghast. "Network file systems are
           an abomination. Clearly they were designed to violate copyright law
           by promoting the unauthorized distribution of music, and their use
           must be stopped." Steve Baldmer commented, "This only proves that
           Unix is evil. What do you expect from a bunch of hippies who think
           software should be free? They're pirates, plain and simple."
           \_ You should have seen the horror on Balmer's face when he
              heard about AFS!
2001/6/15 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21528 Activity:nil
6/15    Summary: To ftp, see <DEAD>csua/skey<DEAD>
2001/6/8-9 [Computer/SW/Unix/WindowManager, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21458 Activity:high
6/8     Why does find find files that don't exist?
        \_ Example?
        \_ you have file and no file at the same time?  the true sign
           of intelligence.
           \_ to have file and no file is truly impressive.
        \_ What makes you think that those files don't exist? Does "ls"
           not show them? Then probably you were hacked and your ls binary
           has been replaced. You're lucky that your find still works.
            \_ I have NOT been hacked.  and ls doesn't show them and i can't
                grep them.  Specifically this is what happens...
                I type: find ./ someflag -print | xargs grep someword
                then i get a bunch of can't access this that and the other
                + whatever it was i was looking for.  I say "why can't i
                access tt&o, so i go to look at it but it's not there.
                However, if it's not there, why does find find it?
                \_ And you know you "have NOT been hacked"... HOW?
                \_ use find ./ ... -print0 | xargs -0 grep -l someword
                   if you still have a problem, tell me
                \_ Because you are a dumbass. Read the man pages.
                \_ Can you post the exact command and examples of filenames
                   you could find but don't exist?
        \_ Existence is of transitory nature. To exist at this moment,
           does not mean to exist in the next moment. With find,
           it helps you contemplate this idea. Once you understand why,
           you will be closer to enlightenment.
           \_ hmm, master.  But to flash out of existence so quickly?
              I shall observe the world further and see if your wise
              words can lead me to understanding.
              \_ This is easy enough to check. Are you seeing the same
                 files each time? List the mtime, file contents, etc. --dim
2001/6/2-3 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21412 Activity:moderate
6/01    I'm having trouble finding an emacs mode that will force
        color syntax highlighting to be on, with a color xterm equivalent.
        (eg: remotely, NOT with its own X display). I'm also an emacs
        newbie. A little help please?
        \_ xemacs will do this, for whatever that's worth. -lim
           \_ how? it doesnt seem to do it automatically. oh, waitaminit...
              seems to be doing it now. But only if I set TERM=xterm-color,
              which doesnt actually exist in my termcap.I HAVE
              (if (eq 'tty (device-type))  (set-device-class nil 'color))
              in .xemacs, but it wont kick in color for TERM=xterm
              \_ xterm doesn't have color.  You need to set it to
                 xterm-color, or xtermc.
                 \_ Under FreeBSD, at least.  Some OSes default to an xterm
                    termcap entry with color support (which is rather annoying)
                 \_ Under FreeBSD, at least.  Some OSes default to an
                    xterm termcap entry with color support (which is rather
2001/6/1-3 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21404 Activity:very high
5/31    Does anyone have the login/pw for the private space at  We shouldn't have to be paying for access..esp.
        things like the silent hill 2 full trailer.
             \_ Will somebody please provide a valid login/pass?  They
                fucking cut off the last Hideo Kojima interview on the
                subject of mgs2...damnit..that chafes my hide.
        \_ sign yer name -shac
           \_ oh come on. the rest of the motd wants to know too.
        \_ l: phil
           p: vahmifqy
        \_ They have to pay reporters, editors, webmasters, sys admins,
           electricity bills, network connection bills, and much more - why
           shouldn't you have to pay them back for some of it?  The dream of
           an advertiser-supported internet is dead - ads don't pay enough.
           \_ pay should be voluntary, like the PBS model.  If you like what
              you get, you should donate some cash, but you shouldn't have
              to pay before seeing the goods.
              \_ that's ridiculous.
              \_ Communism is dead, kid.
                    \_ psb is a communist?
                 \_ This isn't communism.  If it were communism, everyone would
                    be forced to pay the government, and the government would
                    be funding and running everything.  Voluntary donations are
           than in a piece of shit rm or WMP format.  Is that too much to ask?
           Damn ign bastards...*sigh*
                    completely different.
                    \_ "You shouldn't have to pay before seeing the goods."
                       There is that "should" there that I don't like.  The
                       mentality seems to be that the consumer can dictate
                       to the producer their terms.  In a truly free society,
                       all contracts are voluntary.
                 for Linsux.
                       \_ what's wrong with that?  we're in a capitalist society
                          driven by consumerism; why shouldn't consumers dictate
                          what they want?
                          \_ because you're an idiot.  you don't get to decide
                             *after* you use something whether you want to
                             pay for it.  -tom
                             \_ you do if you have access to warez. long live
                                warez! cd images galore! i wonder when someone
                                will finally crack down on newsgroup piracy?
           \_ Property is theft!
       \_ regardless of what anyone agrees on,  login: phil
           p: vahmifqy  doesn't work.  Someone please provide a valid
           login/pw.  It's not like I can't get it at one of the
           other sites;  I'd just rather have it in quicktime format
           than in a piece of shit rm or WMP format.  Is that too much
           to ask? Damn ign bastards...*sigh*
           \_ COMMIE MAC USER!!!
              \_ QuickTime runs on Windows and there is even mov player
                 for Linux.
                  \_ The Windows Media Player much better than real, QT or
                     anything similar out there.
                     \_ WMP? Good? Surely you jest. AVI and ASF are total
                        POS. The quality is terrible and the playback
                        frequently hangs esp. if you try to stream a file.
                        QuickTime at least has decent stream and playback.
                         \_ I know not of AVI/ASF.  What i know is that
                            when i play the SAME file with REAL it looks
                            like crap, when i play it with WMP it looks good.
                            \_ you need to study harder. the correct answer
                               is "M$ SUC|<Z U53 L1NUX!" and not worry about
                               whether something works for you or not.
2001/5/31-6/1 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21394 Activity:high
5/30    infocom games on java:
        \_ there are also infocom games by telnet, and you can't save/restore
           in the java applets, right?  bah
           \_ for the curious: telnet://
              \_ name/password?
                 \_ login as zork, you dingbat
                 \_ what's the password?  can't let ya in without the password!
                    and don't try 'swordfish', because I KNOW it's not that.  I
                    tried 'swordfish' years ago, and -I- couldn't get in, so I
                    KNOW it's not that.
              \_ telnet://
2001/5/30 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21389 Activity:nil
5/29    danh, why do you have a bunch of frequent typos symlinked
        to wall in /csua/bin? And why does pld have a bunch of symlinks of
        usernames to other usernames?
        \_ There is no secret cabal of Daves.  I'm sorry, what was the question
2001/5/25-27 [Computer/SW/Languages, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21362 Activity:high
5/25    What happens when a file get truncated by redirection like cat a > b.
        What happens to the eof marker in b? If some program was reading b like
        tail.exe, when cat a>b happens, how'd that program check b has been
        reset and should reopen b for read?
        \_ it doesn't matter if it gets truncated by redirection or any other
           means. redirection is a shell abstraction, not a file system
           abstraction so the distinction is unimportant. tail -f just
           regularly polls the time stamp of the file. if it's changed, it
           rechecks the file.
           \_ are you sure it's the time stamp it checks?  because if there's
           a process constantly writing to the file, only the last modified time
           is changed; so tail can't reset it's pointer to the beginning of the
           file by looking at the time stamp.
        \_ if two programs are buffering the same file, the last one
           to flush its buffers will "win".  files are not a coherent
           shared storage unless you employ file locks.
           \_ did you fucking read the question? what the hell is wrong
              with you? he's talking about read and writer. not two writers.
              you're a fucking moron.
                \_ Are you aware of where you are?  This is the motd.  Are you
                   completely stupid?  No one reads the question.  You're a
                   fucking moron.  Welcome to the motd.
2001/5/23-24 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21334 Activity:high
5/23    A friend recently told me that Internet radio is worth listening
        too.  I downloaded realplayer for my UNIX system and it seems to
        suck especially when combined with netscape.  Any recommendations
        for decent UNIX (preferably open source) Internet radio players?
        \_ Real sucks. Streaming mp3 is much better (xmms is one option)
           but it still sucks over DSL. Get a T1 or something other than
           PacHell and you'll be fine.
        \_ use windows
        \_ Maybe it was bad traffic from that particular station?  Try a
           different station.  I use RealPlayer on NT and for some stations
           it loses connections all the time.
        \_ Find someplace that streams mp3s and run xmms (need to have decent
           net though)
2001/5/17 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21293 Activity:nil
5/16    How do NAS devices store files in different formats?
        \_ What do you mean by "different formats"? They normally
           use a single custom fs that is exported via NFS, SMB
           and AppleTalk.
2001/5/6-7 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21182 Activity:high
5/6     any web-based newsgroup posting sites out there now?
        deja/google not allowing at the moment...please advise?  thanks.
2001/5/1 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21165 Activity:nil
May 1   Underpaid sysadmin of the UNIX world, unite!!!
2001/5/1 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21158 Activity:very high
4/30    Uninstall for Unix?  Assuming you install something with the usual
        ./configure make make install routine, and later decide,  "Fuck that
        was the wrong distribution" or the wrong version or whatever.  If you
        aren't using a package, how do you know that you are removing all
        the right stuff before you go to install the other version?  I assume
        that most big companies must depend on packages made on dev. machines
        that are then installed, no?  What is a reasonable policy as far as
        this stuff goes?
        \_ Install packages so that each of them is contained completely
           within a separate directory, e.g. /opt/local/packages/pine-4.30,
           then create symbolic links from /opt/local/{bin,man.sbin,lib,include}
           to the real packages directory. If you need to remove a package
           just nuke it's directory. Sure, there are still dangling symbolic
           links, but at least you know what package they belong to if you
           want to remove it. See how /opt/local/ is setup on OCF for example.
           \_ Another neat idea would be to have a subdirectory within
              /opt/local/packages/pine-4.30 called consolidated-links, or
              something like that, which contains symbolic links to those
              other symbolic links you were talking about. That way, when
              you decide to trash a "package" you can run a little script
              that will readlink and rm each link so that you won't have
              dangling links.
                \_ There's a package called opt_depot which manages a link
                   farm (in /usr/local/{bin,man,lib} by default) based on
                   installations in a package (or "depot") directory like
                   the above.
        \_ Here's my little scheme, its similar to OCFs:
           0. mkdir /usr/pubsw/ and required subdirs:
              (you only need to do this once)
           1. untar your the source for your program into
           2. ./configure your program with prefix set to
           3. make && make install
           4. cd into /usr/pubsw/pgms/<program> and ln -s
              <program>-<version> to <program> (remove the
              old link if you have one)
           5. for new programs cd into /usr/pubsw and foreach
              of the {bin,sbin,include,lib,libexec,share,etc} <dirs>
              ln -s ../pgms/<program>/<program>/<dir>/* .
           Now to acutally use the programs and libraries, all you
           have to do is set PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH to point to
           the /usr/pubsw/{bin,sbin} and /usr/pubsw/lib dirs.
           To upgrade a pkg, you just download the new source, build
           it, make install and change one symlink. To uninstall a
           pkg just remove its directory. To downgrade, just change
           one link.
           The other advantages are that the top level directory is
           clean (less overhead on directory reads) and source and
           programs are stored using similar naming conventions making
           it easy to track down problems and do upgrades, etc.
           I'm giving you the brief version here. The full setup
           also handles multiple architectures and OS revisions and
           has some perl tools for cleaning up and installing.
2001/4/25 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21103 Activity:very high
4/25    What's the syntax for searching the contents of each file with
        \_ why not use grep?
        \_ find /my/dir -name myFile -exec grep -ne myExp {} /dev/null \;
           \_ More elegant is find . -type f | xargs grep "search string"
              \_ how about : grep "search string" `find . -type f` ?
                 \_ You want xargs in case find returns too many files for
                    grep to process at once.
                    \_ How is using xargs better than using -exec?
                 \_ MAX_ARGS! What if there are more files than MAX_ARGS?!?
                    Think before you do something dumb.
                    \_ God forbid... xargs performs a separate grep on each.
                       this may not be what you want.  this can make it very
                       difficult to tell exactly which file the search matched.
                       Think before you give blanket answers.
                       \_ Uh, how does it make it more difficult?  And where
                          did you get this notion that xargs spawns a call
                          to grep per file, do man xargs and look up default
                          values of -n and -s.
                       \_ grep -H
                          \_ that's great.  How 'bout solaris?
        \_ Easy:   grep -r pattern .
           If no gnu grep: find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep -n pattern
           If no find with print0 and xargs -0:
           find . -type f -exec grep -n pattern {} \;
2001/4/21-22 [Computer/SW/Apps/Media, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21050 Activity:moderate
        \_ This is worse than All your base.
          \_ only if "worse" means "fucking rad!!!!~!~!~" -ali.
2001/4/20-22 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21039 Activity:moderate
4/20    How come sed -e 's/[\ \t\n]/ /g' doesn't work for the tab and \n?
        \_ obUsePerl
           perl -pe 's/[\s\n]/ /g'
           \_ perl -pe 's/\s/ /g' is sufficient --dbushong
        \_ This is ugly, but it works for tab:
           sed -e 's/'"`echo \"\t\"`"'/ /g'
           Oh, and what's the point of matching SPACE, TAB, and NEWLINE
           instead of just TAB and NEWLINE? Replacing SPACE with SPACE?
                \_ you mean /bin/echo right? echo (shell command) wouldn't
                   work. Also maybe the guy means 's/[\s]+/ /g'
                   \_ yup, /bin/echo or /usr/bin/echo
2001/4/18 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21022 Activity:high
4/18    I want to filter a file with sed and store the output back into
        the same file.  Is there a way to do this without a temp file?
        \_ no, if you want to do this use either awk or perl (perferably
           \_ Please use a language (preferably English).
           \_ perl -pi -e 's/.../.../g ; s/other/foo/g' file1 file2 ...
        \_ yes.
2001/4/18 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21008 Activity:moderate
4/17    Sysadmin job posting --appel

                \_ advanced experience with Windows and 2+ years Unix
                   experience for $15/hour?  hahahaha
        \_ advanced experience with Windows and 2+ years Unix
           experience for $15/hour?  hahahaha
                \_ That's 2+ years Unix experience.  Not Unix sysadmin exp.
                   I actually read the job, (unlike you), and that's ok for
                   a student slacker job as long as they understand the kid
                   has other things to do and is going to flake a lot.  It
                   looks ok to me for someone who needs a first job and wants
                   more on their resume than "Member of CSUA/HKN/XCF/Fubar"
                   or whatever other student clubs there are.  Non-job shit
                   may sound important to you, the student, but out here no
                   one gives a flying fuck what your non-job related beer
                   swilling student club was doing.  -!appel
                   \_ the prequisite skills that are preferred is a bit over
                      the top for just 2 yrs xp.  you're going to weed out
                      a lot of good people who would take such a low wage.
                      people already with all those skills can get much better.
                        \_ The preqs for a student job are always fluffed. They
                           obviously (to me) just want a kid who knows some
                           unix and is really good with windows.  It looked
                           like a really straight forward job posting.  Anyone
                           not afraid to apply is probably good enough to get
                           hired and I still say the pay is decent.  This is
                           a student job.  Your alternative as a student is to
                           get $6-$8 at the library or $8 washing bottles in
                           the Chem dept or $8 as an "engineering aid" for
                           eecs which has the same skillset requirements: a
                           student who knows some unix and a lot of windows.
                           There are *no* students who fit the exact criteria
                           of this job.  They're fishing for what they can get.
                           This is no different than FTE job postings for much
                           higher end professionals.  They ask for the moon but
                           will be happy with someone who knows the moon is
                           made of cheese.  (You did know the moon is made of
                           cheese, right?)
2001/4/12 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:20947 Activity:very high
4/12    Why does "tee" or ">" not work on some unix systems?
        \_ you don't have a filesystem
           \_ there is a file system.  this isn't a trick question.
        \_ Wrong shell?
           \_ I'm in csh
              \_ How doesn't it work then?  Maybe you don't have write
                 permission in the current directory?
                 \_ I can edit files and save files in it.  Just not
                    pipe output to it.  This is very confusing to me.
                    \_ But can you create new files in that directory?
                       \_ yes, and run make, and create executables, etc.
        \_ I'm guessing that stderr is not getting caught and you're confused.
           Try <something> 2>&1 | tee output (in bash)
           or  <something> |& tee output     (in csh)
           \_ I originally tried both:
                execSomething |& tee output
                execSomething | tee output
              Both don't work.
2001/4/9-10 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:20913 Activity:low 64%like:20116
4/9     Sr. UNIX SA job at Openwave (  Check out
        /usr/local/csua/pub/jobs/Openwave/UNIXSA for more info. --chris
        \_ that your new <DEAD><DEAD>?
           \_ opwv used to be - paolo
              \_ their open != opensrc.
           \_ Openwave is the combination of and (both
              despite their company names, were not "" companies, but
              built software -- built email software,
              built software for wireless phones).
2001/3/20-22 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:20864 Activity:low
3/21    Under most OS's how do control whether a program core dumps or not
        under a SIGSEGV?
        \_ man signal
        \_ you can also control it with things like limit. Note that certain
           cases should never dump core (i.e. setuid() programs.)
                \_ coreadm on Solaris lets you control that for people
                   who need to debug set*id programs.
2001/3/18-19 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:20837 Activity:low
3/18    Hotmail really running on NT now?
        Or is this just the front end logon?
telnet 80
Connected to
Escape character is '^]'.
GET / HTTP/1.0
HTTP/1.1 302 Redirected
Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:42:21 GMT
Location: <DEAD><DEAD>

Connection closed by foreign host.
        \_ They started phasing in NT many months ago, /. mentioned it --oj
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