Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2001:August:22 Wednesday <Tuesday, Thursday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2001/8/22-23 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:22203 Activity:nil
        \_ first time I've seen a password-protected url.
                \_ I think it's the first time docs for a beta release
                   have been put there.
2001/8/22-23 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:22204 Activity:nil
8/21    Does there exist an MPEG encoder card with linux drivers under $200?
2001/8/22-23 [Consumer/GPS] UID:22205 Activity:nil
8/21    Someone told me that you could download GPS simulators before you
        buy them. Where can I find the web site for them? I've already
        gone to Magellan and Garmin but couldn't find any handheld GPS
        simulator. Thanks.
        \_ Garmin Emap, simply the best. Just buy it.
2001/8/22-23 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl] UID:22206 Activity:kinda low
8/21    What is the emacs equivalent of % in vi? I've tried (require 'paren)
        in my .emacs but it doesn't seem to work.
        \_ You don't need all that shit.  Use ED.  No mode of ED's ever sucked.
        \_ like M-x find-matching-paren or something..
        \_ why use emacs?
           \_ you're joking right? I didn't think people were actually
              debating this stupid issue anymore.
              \- it depends on the question ... a hostile "why should i a
                 vi/pico/jove user use emacs?" is best answered "you use what
                                    \_ as compared to say vi's perl-mode?
                                       \_ Lack of a perl mode is better than
                                          a perl mode that fucks up your
                                          formatting.  -tom
                                       \_ as compared to cperl-mode, which
                                          should be the default --pld.
                 ever ratshit editor you want". a sincere "why would it be
                 worth switching to the OTE" is a reasoanble question ... but
                 the most interesting are more abstract ones like "should cs
                 students today be taught emacs-only? emacs and vi? tex?
              \_ What about stuff like gnus, mh-e, M-x shell, M-x man,
                 \_ Why do you want to use your text editor to do that stuff
                    anyways? there is always :! of course, if you can't just
                    open another xterm.
                 ms word?" ok tnx --psb
           \_ M-x compile, gdb, gnus, mh-e, cc-mode, java-mode, php-mode,
              shell-script-mode, perl-mode, make-mode, etc.
                                 \_ emacs perl-mode sucks.  -tom
                                    \- look, i dont expect you to actually
                                    beatout gods-perl-mode but if you have some
                                    solid suggestions write them up and post
                                    the to gnu.emacs* or comp.emacs ... that
                                    is if you are capable of anything beyond
                                    this incessant braying and carping. --psb
                                    \_ And of course you send all your
                                       suggestions on how to improve vi to
                                       the vi developers.  Idiot.  All you
                                       need to see how bad emacs' perl mode
                                       is is a single << operator and some
                                       HTML.  And that reminds me, emacs
                                       HTML mode sucks too.  -tom
                                       \_ And your comparison is to say
                                          vi's Perl and HTML modes perhaps?
           \_ VIM has something similar to the M-x compile. Syntax highlighting
              and indenting support for most languages is there too. There
              is no integration with gdb however. By the way, where are
              you ED fans? I'd like to hear your opinions..
        \_ either follow what the first poster suggested, or (better),
           look for flash-parens.el on the web. it is superior. also,
           you use emacs because is configurable and allows you to write
           scripts for it. vim doesn't let you do that. -ali
          \_ but Lisp is so slow and nasty, unlike asm... ok tnx -- psb #2 fan
           \_ You can customize vim using its (awkward yet useful) built-in
              language or, if that is not enough, you can compile vim with
              perl and/or tcl support.
              \_ you can also compile nvi (which is much more pleasant on
                 first experience than vim) with perl and tcl support, but it
                 doesn't have all of the (clanging) bells and (piercing)
                 whistles..  it just, well, edits text
                 \_ I wish it were able to, well, edit your (purple) text.
2001/8/22-24 [Politics/Domestic/California, Industry/Startup] UID:22207 Activity:moderate
8/21    what's the correct agency to contact when a person/company
        wont pay me for work done?
        \_ The Board of Shait Cunts.
        \_ California State Labor Board.
        \_ How much money is it? If its enough and the company is
           big enough you should threaten to sue. You can probably
           work out a good settlement, perhaps for more $s than
           just back pay if you get the media involved.
           \_ Threaten to sue or bring the subject up with the State Labor
              Board. If you take it to the Labor Board, it will take time
              to get your money, but the company will be forced to show
              their pay records of all employees affected by California
              state taxes. This is NOT an idle threat. Be sure you ARE
              right, otherwise the company can countersue for harrassment.
        \_ why don't you tell us fellow sodans which person/company is it?
           \_ send the Soda Brotherhood after them
              \_ There is no secret cabal of daves.
2001/8/22 [Reference/Celebration, Computer/Rants] UID:22208 Activity:kinda low
8/22    Do Disneyland in LA and Universal Studio close during Thanksgiving
        long weekend?  Thanks.
        \_ That would be foolish of them.
        \_ no.  ex disneyland employee. (guest control/riverbell terrace)
        \_ I don't know about Universal Studios, but Disneyland is open
           365 days per year. They *never* close and I confirmed that by
           phone like you should've done you lazy fuck. --dim
           \_ You get to make free long-distance phone calls?  I already
              tried the web site before I asked here, but I got errors when
              I tried to look up schedules for those four days of the weekend.
              \_ Not only are you lazy, but cheap as well. How much is
                 admission? You think an extra dime for research is going
                 to kill you? Seriously. I took less time to call and find
                 out than for your atrophied brain to cobble together
                 these sentences. By the way, you are welcome. --dim
           \_ They *never* close?  They close at night don't they?
              \_ ooh, the semantics police. well, technically, they close
                 to the public, but from the moment the gates close to when
                 the gates open, there are cleanup crews and technicians
                 getting the park ready for the next day. so yeah, they
                 never do close in a sense.
                 \_ I'm usually not that picky on people unless it's someone
                    \_ No they are open 24 hours per day, Einstein. If you
                       want to be a bitch then *yes* they do close during
                       Thanksgiving weekend at some point. --dim
2001/8/22-24 [Computer/SW/Database, Computer/SW/Mail] UID:22209 Activity:nil
8/21    Anyone use KMySQL or any other gui mysql client.  Recommendations?
        \_ I've used xmysql.  Ugly as sin, but occasionally useful.  --dbushong
        \_ phpMyAdmin
2001/8/22-24 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc] UID:22210 Activity:nil
8/21    Can anyone recommend any good websites on moving from UML requirements
        documentation(e.g. sequenc of events, interaction diagrams, use case
        diagrams, use case statements, etc.) into object design(e.g. UML
        class notation)?
2001/8/22 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22211 Activity:nil
8/22    In Makefile, how do I specificy the following without having to
        enclose it within a directive (e.g. all:) ?

        if [ _$(findstring 1.2.1_03,$(JAVA_VERSION)) = _1.2.1_03 \
          -o _$(findstring 1.2.2_05,$(JAVA_VERSION)) = _1.2.2_05 \
           ]; then \
          $(ECHO) "Error: JDK version $(JAVA_VERSION) cannot be used." ;\
          exit 1 ;\
        fi ;\
2001/8/22-23 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Computer/SW/Editors/Emacs] UID:22212 Activity:high
8/22    How do I make emacs do an isearch using the currently selected region
        as the search string?
        \_ M-w C-s M-y
           \_ that sucks. how do i bind a key to do all those at once?
           \_ how do i bind a key to do all those at once?
              \_ C-h i m emacs RET m keyboard macros RET
                \_ emacs doesn't leave me inside the isearch mode after
                   executing the macro though. how do i make it do dat?
                   \_ bug.  edit-last-kbd-macro, remove terminal C-x
        \_ ^A   oh wait.. that's vi again.. i'm sure there's a couple K of
           elisp you need to download to make it work in emacs, but really..
           it's better that way.
           \- it is a couple of lines of elisp. you can also use the macro to
           elisp "compiler". remind me how you do incremental search in vi
           again? --psb
           \_ what do you mean by incremental search?
           \_ nvi:  set searchincr
2001/8/22-23 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:22213 Activity:high
8/22    There's a law in New York that prohibits selling tickets at over 20%
        of their face value. I live in CA and want to sell my extra tickets to
        a NY event over the internet. Is it illegal for me to sell them for
        more than %20 or does the law not apply to me because i'm not selling
        the tickets in NY?
        \_ Sounds like a Federal case to me. Don't worry about it though,
           unless you are making tons of money off of it, no one will care.
           Legal advice is worth what you pay for it!
           \_ It's a local issue. The Seattle Mariners allows ticket holders
              to scalp on their web site as long as they don't live within
              the Seattle area (where it is illegal to charge over face
              value for them). You're fine.
        \_ it's illegal to charge 120%  AT THE EVENT. In most places.
           But youd better do your research for each state you plan
            selling them in.
        \_ Tricky. It can be claimed that you will sell it to only someone who
           go to NY. Thus NY can claim personal jurisdiction. The problem is
           that the event is in NY!! IANAL.             - sagarwal
2001/8/22-23 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Ilyas, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:22214 Activity:very high
8/22    Poll:
        CSUA Snob Award goes to:
        psb:    1 for idiotic post about teaching grad level math to freshmen.
        tom:    2                                   \_ where?
        ali:    2 for being a rude know-it-all Muslim asshole
                        ali, are you a Moslem? _/
                              \_ no he is made out of cloth, doy!
                        \_ not sure, but he sure acts like one
                        \_ Are you Hindu?
                           \_ he acts like a jew.
                              \_ his religion isn't the reason he's a snob.
        \_ How come I am not up there? -- ilyas
         \_ because you are just a moron
            \_ As opposed to a moron and a snob like the above three, or as
               opposed to a moron, a snob, and a coward like you, my friend?
                \_ Hey I know ali isn't a moron.
                   \_ In the greater scheme of things, everyone is probably a
2001/8/22-24 [Computer/SW/Languages, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22215 Activity:nil
8/22    In bourne shell, what does the following mean? "exec 0<&5 5<&-"
        \_ Close file descriptor 0 (standard input), and replace it with
           a copy of file descriptor 5; then close file descriptor 5.
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