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2001/8/30-31 [Computer/SW/P2P] UID:22289 Activity:high
8/29    How much bandwidth do the units/ckc/foothill get to campus?
        \_ use bing
           \_ very inaccurate.
        \_ In 1998 the network in the dorms was 10Mbit/shared, though, the
           aggregate pipe to the campus net could have been faster than that.
           Still, I felt like it was faster than I needed. I loved it.
        \_ My brother was telling me that the dorms now have switched 100Mbit
           in every room and that the outbound traffic is rate-limited to
           30 MBit (2/3 of a T3).
           \- didnt they rate limit napster and seti when they were the top two
           things coming into berkeley? i think the "solved" the napster
           problem by rate limiting the dorm connection and "solved" the seti
           problem by geeting ona diff net in the long term. you can probably
           measure this quite accurately if you have an account in http://berkeley.edu
           and some knowledge of a reasonable host in the dormnet with
           pathchar. <much technical disclaimers and discussion and bagging
           on half-assed bw measurement tools deleted> --psb
           \_ pathchar: icmp socket: Operation not permitted
              \- well obviously like ping, suid.
2001/8/30-31 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:22290 Activity:high
8/30    Anyone know how I can watch DVD's on my Windows 2000 box? I have
        a DVD drive, but am not sure about what software/drivers I need. Do
        I have to buy some software or is there something built into Win2K
        that supports this? How about a free software solution?
        \_ buy PowerDVD or WinDVD.  They're pretty cheap.  If you have an ATI
           Radeon card, you can use ATI's DVD software, which has very good
           picture quality.  Your DVD-ROM drive may also have come with
           software.  afaik there is no good Windows DVD software that is free.
        \_ Your DVD didn't come with DVD software?
           \_ Well, the problem is that I bought a Sony Vaio that came with
              Win98 pre-installed... and I think that had a somewhat-crappy-
              but-sufficient DVD player. But I wiped that and installed
              Win2K and am now trying to find something.
2001/8/30-31 [Recreation/Dating] UID:22291 Activity:moderate
8/30    where can i get indian porn movies?
        \_ Not possible. Indian's do not do such things.
           \_ The more you try to squelch something, the more likely it is
              to poke out from the seams, especially in a nation of
              over a billion people. Just look hard enough.
           \_ Have you watched any of the recent "Bollywood"
              flicks? They are disgusting. Practically pr0n.
        \_ How about Saudi porn? I want Saudi porn.
        \_ Two words: Taliban porn (I think a woman displays an eyelash)
2001/8/30 [Computer/SW/OS/Misc] UID:22292 Activity:nil 53%like:22301
8/30    Are there any instructional machines still running HP-UX?
        \_ I think the general-use cory lab might have it
           \_ They run compaq digital unix.
              \_ Really?
                 \_ Yup.
2001/8/30-31 [Consumer/Audio] UID:22293 Activity:nil
8/30    Is there a program/research project out there that can take a
        single-track audio recording (say an mp3), assumed to contain
        both music and voice, and attempt to remove the voice part, or
        at least a substantial portion thereof?
                \_ Yes. It's called the original master theft program.
        \_ Do you mean voice as plain talking (like rap) or do you mean the
           vocal part of a song which follows a melody (like opera)? -- yuen
        \_ XMMS has a voice-removal plugin included by default.  It works ok.
2001/8/30-31 [Computer/SW/Editors/Vi] UID:22294 Activity:very high
8/30    what is the best editor for motd entries?
        \_ ed
        \_ emacs.  It warns you if you try to save to the file or start
           editing it after someone else has modified it, so you won't
           overwrite someone else's posting.
           \_ vi does this as well.
        \_ motdedit. lets you use any editor you want.
           \_ THIS IS THE RIGHT ANSWER. LISTEN TO THIS PEOPLE. Set your
              $EDITOR environment variable to whatever you want, and then
              use motdedit!
              \_ bzzt.. this would be the right answer if motd.public were
                 not world writable.  better rule of thumb.  If your editor
                 has to ask you to confirm (:w!,^X^Sy), then don't write it.
                 Learn to be polite, and play nice.  Then we won't need some
                 badly written perl script to baby us.  --scotsman
                 \_ Here's something I should have asked a long time ago.
                    What is the nice way to save edits to the motd when you
                    find you need to w! to write? My apologies if this is
                    in an obvious faq somewhere.
                    \_ :w filename   -- misha.
                 \_ motdedit places a lock on the motd.public file for
                    you; so use it.
                    \_ so does vi. --scotsman
                       \_ Your assessment on motdedit is not the best
                          solution becaue motd.public is world writable is
                          false.  I was just pointing that out.
                 \_ Assholes are always locking it after I grab it, so I have
                    no choice.
                    \_ Track them down and chastise them. --scotsman
                    \_ fstat is a powerful command!
                       \_ people who use emacs don't show up in fstat
                          \_ they should use vi then.
                             \_ no, they should use 'diff'.
        \_ pico.
2001/8/30-31 [Consumer/Camera] UID:22295 Activity:nil
8/30    I'm interested in buying a camcorder.  Does anyone have any
        recommendations for a model/brand at a nice price-performance point?
        Thanks!
        \_ I did some shopping for analog ones for my aunt two years ago.  The
           Sony CCD-TRV series seemed pretty good back then.  I ended up with
           a CCD-TRV46.  -- yuen
2001/8/30-31 [Computer/Rants] UID:22296 Activity:nil
8/30    Linus: Uncle Sam vs. Bill G, Bill G cries Uncle!
        http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/21347.html
2001/8/30-31 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:22297 Activity:nil
8/30    Well, it was bound to happen; a worm masquerading as a security advisory:
        http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/56/21376.html
2001/8/30-31 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22298 Activity:high
8/30    I'm trying to use ftp over ssh. I forwarded ports 20 and 21 to 2000 and
        2100, then use ftp -p -P 2100, but the passive mode isn't working.
        What am I forgetting?
        \_ you're forgetting that ftp over ssh is more trouble than it's
           worth.
        \_ sftp, baby
        \_ stunnel
        \_ This is to a computer that I have no control over.
           \_ why don't you ssh into that computer and then use ftp with s/key
              to a computer you DO have control over?
              \_ I want to ftp between two machines, neither of which have
                 s/key. The file is 100MB, so I don't want to have to put to
                 soda, then get from soda.
2001/8/30-31 [Recreation/Music] UID:22299 Activity:high
8/30    Can somebody id this music?  It's from "La Bamba".  The scene where
        Richie Valens, Buddy Holly, etc dies in the plane crash.  There's
        that background music which sounds Hawaiian.  Thanks.
        \_ para lavar las manos! si necessito una boca de gracias!
           \_ !pinche la madre madecon!
        \_ The Big Bopper. He was also in the plane.
        \_ Possibly Santo & Johnny's "Sleepwalker"?
           \_ yes, it is sleepwalker!  Thank you very much.  I download it
              off morpheus.
2001/8/30-31 [Transportation/PublicTransit] UID:22300 Activity:insanely high
8/30    Average salary for a BART stattion agent is $41k.  How much does an
        average college grad made these days??  And they still want ~9% raise
        every year?  What's the average salary raise (or, better, decline) in
        this economic downturn??

        http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/08/27/MN55851.DTL

        And they still want to go on strike?

        This morning I saw a BART employee at Hayward station who's suppose to
        be vacuuming the carpet but was actually standing still and talking to
        his buddy.  I was so tempted to yell at him "With that kind of pay, go
        to work, fucker!"
        \_ At 41k, you have a take-home pay of 2500 or so a month.  Rent or
           moetgage payments in this area can easily be half of that or more.
           Ever here of cost- of-living?  Just because yer mom is paying your
           tuition doesn't mean everyone lives the upper-middle class lifestyle
                \_ I have no dispute with the pay, I have dispute with
                   the +9% a year.
           \_ Oh fuck off. "Can be" is not the same as "is". You can easily
              live well on 41k. Get a roommate if the rent's too high. Vacuuming
              carpets isn't exactly hard.
              \_ moron, these are head of households, they have to take care of
                a family twink
                \_ Thank you.  My point exactly.
                   \_ So what if they're head of households? Why do they deserve
                      more if they are? It's their choice to have a family. If
                      they were responsible they wouldn't have 4 kids if they
                      can't support them. Dumbshits. They deserve no more than
                      people are willing to pay them.
                      \_ moron again, i am talking about bringing in a stranger
                      to rent a room in a family's house. get a roomate? that\
                      your resolution is dimwitted
                         \_ did you read what I said? if they can't support
                            living in that house they shouldn't have bought the
                            fucking thing. it's all quite simple really.
           \_ My mom isn't paying my tuition.  I put my sis through Cal paying
              out-of-state tuition when I was making $40k and now I support my
              parents.  And according to your logic, a high-school dropout
              flipping burgers at McDonald's or filling gas at a station also
              deserves $41k and 9% annual raise, because he also deserves
              owning a home and living the upper-middle class lifestyle just
              like some other who works hard to graduate from a prestigiuous
              college and gets a high-pay job, right?
              \_ Wow, the food service industry has to accomodate philosophy
                 majors, history majors, AND high school dropouts? This must
                 be some competitive industry.
              \_ I don't see how people who work hard and went to a good school
                 "deserve" better lifestyles than people who didn't.
                 I say we should have minimum living standards and let the
                 market decide the rest.  College grad or not.  What
                 are you, some kind of commie?  I bet you're a FOB.
                 \_ This has nothing to do with communism.  This has everything
                    to do with moderately skilled and/or unskilled labor
                    being able to live in this area.  You drive all the
                    janitors, bus drivers, and bart attendents out, and
                    what do you have?
                    \_ If they are driven out, the wages will increase and many
                       more will come to take their place. There's also the
                       large pool of high school and college kids.
                       \_ and this is different from raising current wages how?
                          Are you trying to retort, or just stating the wildly
                          obvious?
                          \_ i'm saying we don't need raises unless they can't
                             find anyone to do the job which isn't the case.
                             \_ So, create a mass exodus of lower-skilled
                                workers, then deal with the massive wage spikes
                                necessary to lure employees to take those
                                positions?
                                \_ where's the shortage? we have a higher
                                   unemployment rate than the nat'l average.
                                   schoolteachers and nurses don't make much
                                   more than these bart broompushers.
                                   \_ actually they make less, but that's a
                                      different problem.
                                      \_ nurses make more than that here
                 \_ If the market of BART labor is free, then yes, I agree
                    with you in that we should let the market decide BART
                    employees' salaries.  But the BART market is not free,
                    because there is the union which disallows BART to let-go
                    of the employees.  In other words the union forces BART's
                    demand curve to go up with the supply curve when the union
                    decides to move up the supply curve.  And the union is
                    indeed moving up the supply curve because it also disallows
                    BART to hire non-union workers.  If it's a free market like
                    the CS engineering labor market, we should allow them to
                    set their prices freely.  But since it is not, we (maybe
                    the govt. or some regulating body) shouldn't allow that.
        \_ BART is a horrible attemt to make a subway. Only slightly better
           than the LA subway system.
           \_ the only problem with BART is that it was state of the art
              when it opened in 1976.
              \_ 1972.
              \_ And the fact that it doesn't go to the South Bay
                 \_ The "South Bay" governments didnt want BART.  they opted
                    to spend their money on TA instead.
                    \_ So what? BART still suffers from not reaching the
                       South Bay.
              \_ The subway in Hong Kong also opened in 1976.  They now carry
                 2.2M passengers a day in the city of 6M population.  Their
                 ticket machines and turnstiles jam much less frequently, and
                 their train runs at 1.5 minute intervals during rush hours.
                 \_ I think the key thing you are missing is a city with
                    6M people needs a very differnt subway system than
                    a large spread out area with much less population.
                    Of fucking COURSE HK has a better subway system.
                    \_ HK is cool. Isn't Maggie Cheung hot?
2001/8/30-31 [Computer/SW/OS/Misc] UID:22301 Activity:nil 53%like:22292
8/30    Are there any instructional machines still running HP-UX? Any machine
        names would be helpful. I need to test some code on HP-UX/PA-RISC.
        \_ I think the general-use cory lab might have it
           \_ They run compaq digital unix.
              \_ Really?
                 \_ Yup.
        \_ one hp-ux N class server for cad tools
2001/8/30-31 [Recreation/Humor] UID:22302 Activity:moderate
8/30    The motd has been so boring lately.  You trollers should be ashamed
        of yourselves.  You're supposed to keep this place funny and
        flaming!  What happened man?
        \_ did someone say flaming? -aspo
2001/8/30-31 [Recreation/Dating] UID:22303 Activity:kinda low
8/30    Could someone confirm this?  I'm looking for textbooks.
        Seriously.
        http://www.bigbooks.com : "Welcome to Big http://Books.com!"
        http://bigbooks.com : porn porn porn
        \_ I think you're confusing this with something else.
           \_ He must have typed "bigboobs.com" instead.
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