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2019/02/19 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular

2000/2/22-23 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17587 Activity:moderate
2/22    Is it possible for Soda to create a web mail interface similar to to access emails on soda?
        \_ No.  Soda is a computer and has not yet achieved sentience.
                Use POP or IMAP or forward your mail to
                \_ Soda still allows POP and IMAP? I thought that the whole
                   point of turning off telnet/ftp/etc was to prevent some
                   twinks from sending their passwords in clear text over the
                   net. So, what's the point of turning off telnet and ftp
                   if POP and IMAP are still running?
                        \_ There is no point, only trolls.
        \_ You may email your request to the entity known as "Soda".
        \_ I was looking at something called 'mailman' a while ago.  It'd
           require nothing more than a few cgi scripts and a cron job that
           copies your mail into a directory off your public_html/.  They
           started charging for mail man, though, and I haven't had time
           for it since.  Mail me if interested.  -John
                \_ there are at least a dozen different mail->web gateways
                        listed on
        \_The OCF got acmemail up and running in a few hours -jones
2019/02/19 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular

2000/2/15 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17514 Activity:kinda low
2/14    Wierd ps output on soda:

        $ /bin/ps auwxx | grep xxxx
        xxxx  yyyyy 0.0 0.2 864  540  Rd  ww   4:30PM 0:00.31 -bash (bash)
        xxxx  zzzzz 0.0 0.2 864  540  Rd  ww  31Dec69 0:00.00 -bash (bash)
        xxxx  aaaaa 0.0 0.2 864  540  Rd  ww  16Aug95 0:00.00 -bash (bash)

        Whats's the deal with the date's?
        \_ Y2K BUG!!!!  EEEEEK!
2000/2/14-15 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17513 Activity:nil
2/14    Where on the web is a good place to learn sed and awk? I don't
        want to buy another OReilly book. Thanks.
        \_ If someone's put the EECS Instructional Guide to UNIX up on the
           web somewhere, that would be a good place.
                \_ <DEAD>www-inst.eecs/usr/pub//html/Users.Guide<DEAD>
2000/2/14 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17503 Activity:very high
2/13    Tweakers suck.  --sky
        \_ Define "tweaker", please. Your 3reet vocab is too much for me.
          \_ Tweaking occurs after one has been up for 5-14 days or so
             without sleep on meth.  You start habitually picking your skin
             (hi seano!), taking shit apart and putting it back together,
             fine tuning your registry settings, whatever.  Tweakers is the
             general name given to meth addicts.  -sky
           \_ a person who habitually abuses methamphetamines
          \_  People who respond to motd trolls.  Like me.  --tweaker
                \_ I already said, "Tweaker: see 'sky'".  Why repeat?
          \_ Tweaker: see 'sky'
                \_ My best friend from high school has a kitten named Tweaker
                        \_ My best friend from HS has a kitten named Sky
        \_ I want to fuck sky's girlfriend.  I'm not kidding, here!
        \_ I want to fuck sky.  I'm not kidding, here!
                \_ Do the same http GET that sky did.  He's never met that
                \_ Do the same http GET that sky did.  He's never met that
                   guy in his life.  You, too, can have the guy of your
                   girl in his life.  You, too, can have the girl of your
                   dreams thanks to the wonders of the WWW!  "Save As" and
                   put a link to it on your homepage the same as sky did.
                       life, or get a girl of your own.  Player hating
                   \_  your lame attempts at slander do not phase me.
                       you are coo to.  Your knowledge of the inner workings
                       of the 31337++ HTTP protocol impress us all.  Get a
                      on his girlfriend?  Fake too?
                       life, or get a guy of your own.  Player hating
                       will get you nowhere in life.  -sky
                        \_ You think that was the inner workings of http?
                           That's like saying I know how the telecommunication
                           system works globally because I know how to use the
                      you use HTTPd to get a girl to call you and act like a
                           TV remote control.  You're plain stupid.
                   \_ What about the story that he supposedly got into a fight
                      outside a nightclub in Korea because someone was hitting
                      on him?  Fake too?
                      \_ Can you spell gullible?
                      \_ Yeah, and the scars that occured are just cheap
                         halloween makeup  --sky
                        \_ Dude, like you are so kewel!!
                   \_ Use photoshop to add your self to the pic so that
                      people won't know that you did a http GET.
                   \_ Yeah, and the phone calls were faked too.  Sky, how do
                      you use HTTPd to get a guy to call you and act like a
                      jealous bitch?  -mlee
                        \_ That's a real big plus.  Where can I get my own
                           psycho jealous gf if I can't use netscape without
                           some el8 help?
2000/2/13-15 [Computer/SW/Unix, Finance/Investment] UID:17501 Activity:high
2/13    Brokerage gave me several times more money than I deposited.  While
        I'm telling them about it, what can the brokerage do if I neglect
        to tell them (not checking account status for a year for example,
        and not realizing it.)
        \_ try it and see
        \_ Use it to buy some hot stocks and pocket the earnings.
        \_ even if you didn't tell them about it, someone out there would
           be missing that money that they tried to put into their account
           so this mistake wouldn't go unnoticed for too long
        \_ Generally what has happened in the past is they figure it out and
           pull the money from your account.  If the money is gone, you owe
           them the money and they will pursue you for it.  They have the law
           on their side on this one.  I suggest leaving it there for now
           unless it was so much money it would be worth cashing out and
           fleeing the country.
                \_ I wonder what they'll do if the money is invested
                        in a hot stock, it goes up a decent amount.
                        Will they take out only what was put in?  Or will
        \_ Cool!! Which brokerage was it?
        \_ Call 60 Minutes re: your situation
                        they take any gains which were achieved by using
                        that money?
                        \_ Just the money put in minus the interest, not the
                           value you increased it by.  This is an interesting
                           hypothetical but I wouldn't do it.
        \_ My account had $4000 too much in it once. I left it in there
           and about two weeks later they fixed the error and sent me a
           letter explaining that they were withdrawing money and why. --dim
        \_ A similar thing happened to me.  I didnt realize it until 3
           months later, since I never check my statements (as long as
           its close, i dont care).  I still have the money. Closed the
           account with them 6 years after.  I purchased a used Lexus
           with it about 8 years ago while still in college.
                                     \_ Man, I feel for you. Fuck off.
        \_ You should not tell them about it, just let them discover it
           themselves.  The last time I told payroll about double income
           deposited, they deducted twice the amount.  Till this day
           I could not recover my 401k portion - lost in some bureaucratic
           \_ That's what the ping of death is for! Are we there yet?
                 Are we there yet? Are we there yet?Are we there yet?

emacs user was here
\_ not this again...
cat user was here
sed user was here
yermom was here
angband user was here
2000/2/10-11 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17478 Activity:low
2/9     What exactly is HTTP Keep-Alive Connection?
        \_ HTTP1.0 made a TCP connection for every http file received.
           HTTP1.1 can use a keep-alive extension to the protocol to
           use the same TCP connection to grab more than one file.
        How do you tell a browser to extend it's normal request timeout,
        like when e-commerce servers process a credit card transaction?
        I am going to invoke something in my Java servlet that takes forever.
                \_ Wrong. 1.0 has keep-alive in the spec; 1.1 formalized it
                        \_ Wrong.  Keep-alive was NOT in the 1.0 spec, it
                           was added on by netscape & picked up by others
                           before 1.1 was finalized.
2000/2/9-10 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17474 Activity:nil
2/9     Is there a free NFS client out there for WinNT or Win2k?
        \_ It's probably easier to just serve the NFS drives with samba
           as well.  --dbushong
2000/2/7-8 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17447 Activity:high
2/7     POP-3 Question: I want to run a popd at home (such as qpopper) so
        that my parents can check thier mail without having to login to
        the mail server at home. From what I can tell from the RFC's POP
        seems to be an insecure protocol, in that it sends passwords as
        plain-text. Is it possible to run a secure POP server, or can I
        at least have the POP passwds in a file other than /etc/passwd
        (like .htaccess)?
        \_ Use APOP or ssh port forwarding. Using APOP would be probably
           less hassle for non-*nix users. You still need to send a clear text
           password, however, it is not the same as a user's unix password.
           If a user is using *nix, fetchmail + ssh port forwarding is
           the way to go. -akop
                \_ the APOP password is not clear-text; it's MD5 encoded I
                   believe.  -tom
                   \_ Couldn't get APOP to work correctly in the released
                      version of qpopper. Besides it looked like APOP didn't
                      work with Netscape.
                        \_ APOP does not work with Netscape.  But it does
                           work fine with qpopper.  -tom
           \_ "My parents use *nix!"
               \_ My mom has been a Unix user/hacker since the PDP-11 was
                  a new machine. Its not a user issue, I'm just trying to
                  minimize logins to the mail server (also the firewall/nat
                  \_ Then maybe you should be asking yermom for advice.
                     \_ I would ask my mom (not yermom) for advice, but
                        she is currently out of the country.
                        \_ Then she doesn't need her email right now, does she?
                           I don't release any GPL'd code until my mom has
                           QA'd, debugged, and approved the release.
                   also, fetchmail can do APOP (but not netscape mail)
        \_ Go for IMAP+SSL - then they can use netscrape or MS LookOut!
           \_ Which server should I try? From just looking at the homepages
              for Cyrus (CMU) and Imapd (WU) I couldn't tell if either
              supported SSL.
                \_ Use either with the SSL wrapper from the ssl toolkit.
2000/2/7-8 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17446 Activity:high
2/7     Campus unix-sysadmin position open:  /csua/pub/jobs/DECF
        contact jones for info
        \_ Bwahahahaha!  Bwahahaha.  --dbushong
        \_ Mwuhahahahaha!  Mwuhahahahaha. -dans
                \_ What is so funny about this? -not-devin
        \_ I don't know the Prof, but this is a good campus student job.  Not
           at all a bad place to get for wannabe sysadmins.
        \_ one word.  d_A_vin.
           \_ Who is Davin, and why is he evil?
                \_ he's devin's evil twin
                    \_ less of an evil twin, and more of an evil overlord
2000/2/5-6 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17430 Activity:low
2/4     In C, how do I tell how much memory/CPU time used/stats/etc another
        process is using? Do I have to be a root process?
        \_ In unix it's OS dependent but usually found somewhere under
           the /proc filesystem.
                \_ /proc is for pansies
        \_ First off, the C language doesn't facilitate such things.
           What you want to know is machine-dependant.
        \_ On UNIX, install top; on NT, use Ctrl-Shift-Esc; on Win95/98,
           go get the "kernel powertoys" at the ms site.
           \_ BTW, where is Ctrl-Shift-ESC on NT documented?  I use the key
              sequence everyday, but I don't even remember where I found it
                \_ It's in the MS docs such as they are.  I've seen it.
2000/2/2-3 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17409 Activity:nil
2/2     telnet <DEAD><DEAD> !!!
2000/1/28-29 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17358 Activity:kinda low
1/27    Looking for a unix command-line util that will allow me to pass it
        a key and an arbitrary string and will give back the DES-CBC
        encrypted version of that string.  (and it's gotta be able to run on
        either Digital Unix 4.0D or Solaris 7.) Any ideas?  -icrew
        \_ there's bdes.. not sure if there's a port for dec/solaris
        \_ compile openssl suite (ex ssleay). It does everything and more.
           See for info.
2000/1/27-28 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17353 Activity:moderate
1/27    What's the current market like for Java developers and UNIX sys
        admin? I can do both, but I need to chose ONE when I graduate -junior
        \_ always varible it is with this one, happiness choose
        \_ Why do you need to choose?  Apply for both types of positions.
           Take the one that you like the best.
           \_ duh.  it's a fucking troll you idiot.
                \_ a troll is someone posting just for attention, right?
        \_ Ask everyone you know about what their life is like as a Java
           developer and as a UNIX sys admin.  The closer their real-life
           job is/was to what you're going to get, the better.  Ask them
           what they think you should do.  Obviously you're not going to get
           great help on the motd.
2000/1/27 [Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/HW/Drives] UID:17343 Activity:low
1/26    Can somebody with a copy of DeCSS -- the DVD cracking program put up
        a copy on soda?  Or a pointer to it?  Thanks.
        \_ Trying to get soda confiscated as evidence?  No thanks.
        \_ has a copy on it.
           \_ thank you so much matt!
        \_ Criminals.  I can't believe anyone in the CSUA or alums would
           promote this sort of theft.  It's no different than all the wAReZ!1
           kids stealing on the net swapping software they never purchased.
        \_ I'll just call this a troll now.  Note that CSS does NOTHING to
           prevent bootlegging of DVDs since you can just do a bit by bit copy.
           Just grab a copy of the source code and build your own decoder.
2000/1/24-25 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17312 Activity:high
1/25    Hi I am relatively new to Unix and I am running Red Hat 6.1
        I would like to be able for others to ftp to my machine and don't
        know how to get started.  Is there an ftp server program out there?
        \_ Install wu-ftpd package which is part of distribution, then
           make sure that ftp entry in /etc/inetd.conf is not commented out.
           Also install anonftp package if you want to run anonymous ftp
           server and don't want/know how to set it up by hand.
        \_ Think about installing ncftpd, since wu-ftpd has a few known
           security holes in it (ncftpd is free if you're on .edu).  -John
           \_ If you are running a reasonably up-to-date version of
                wu-ftpd (eg. the one in distribution + patches if any)
                there shouldn't be any security concerns.
                \_ wuftpd's recent history of security holes should say
                   say something about its general tendencies. Who knows
                   how many are still not discovered?
                \_ Triple ditto what the above said about wu-ftpd's security
                   history.  You could have said the same thing 3+ years ago
                   and still been wrong.  I'd never run wu-ftpd.  There's no
                   reason to.  It's like the "microsoft" of ftpd's.  Please
                   slap self with box of noodles and post your wu-ftpd box's
                   IP address.
        \_ As a frequent Apache admin, I like proftpd.  It hasn't had a
           terribly bad history, security-wise, and the configuration looks
           a lot like httpd.conf.
        \_ Two things to keep in mind:
           1) if this is anonymous ftp and you are behind a real domain name,
              and you have a public upload area, you will get used for warez
              whether you like it or not, and 100% of your upstream pipe
              will _disappear_
           2) if it isn't anonymous ftp (i.e. you're letting users log in),
              then you should reallly have them set up s/key like on soda so
              they aren't typing cleartext login passwords over the public
              internet, and getting you hacked in short order (particularly
              if they're coming in from "dirty" net, like a university)
                \_ if it's anonymous FTP, you should be using HTTP instead.
                   if it's non-anonymous FTP, you should be using SCP.  -tom
                   \_ You have any idea how hard it is to get a partner corp
                      to use ssh of any sort for anything?  Getting them to
                      figure out ftp is hard enough.  And no, don't tell me I
                      need new partner corps.  I don't need to RIDE BIKE.
                      \_ You need new partner corps.  You need to RIDE BIKE.
                        \_ Thanks for the tip.
2000/1/24-25 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17307 Activity:high
1/22    I have a script in csh. In it, I have "source ~/bin/setclass.csh 118".
        However, it seems that I can't pass the argument 118 to
        setclass.csh, in a csh script. Why is that?
        \_ You can't pass in command-line arguments using the source command
        \_ source is _sort of_ like #include.. it's like "include this stuff
           and run it in the same context as where i'm currently working"
           What you can do is just set a csh/environment variable, then
           unset it in the sourced file:
           set arg=118
           source ~/bin/setclass.csh
           (and at the end of setclass.csh, you have:)
           unset arg=118
           \_ How dare you put a useful reply on the motd!
                \_ Mistakes were made.  Villages bombed.
2000/1/24 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17306 Activity:nil
1/23    Are there any Unix programs that can resize the dimensions of a
        gif or jpeg through the command line?
2000/1/17-20 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17259 Activity:nil
1/17    Sr Unix Sysadmin job available at Active Software.
        See /csua/pub/jobs/Activesoftware for details.
2000/1/14-17 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17242 Activity:nil
1/14    So how long was soda's uptime during that last run?
        \_ 26 Aug 99 - 14 Jan 00. RIP. <sniff>
2000/1/11-13 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17215 Activity:high
1/10    I'm a non-tech major but would like to be a sys admin. Are there
        local classes (e.g. @CSU, Santa Clara, etc) that I can take to
        perform basic, entry-level sys admin tasks?
        \_ never took any but found it better to learn by doing;
           install linux or fbsd or nt or solaris on a home pc and play.
        \_ You'll be unhappy if you're doing this just for the money.
                \_ This is such a bullshit response. You'll be just as
                unhappy working some scut job for $30K. working as a sys
                admin may bore you, but twice the cash will make the rest
                of your life that much better
                \_ Ask Tom.
                        \_ Isn't this true of many a worker-bee?
                           \_ Yup.  Frankly, the "you'll be unhappy working
                              only for money" thing is a bit hackneyed.  How
                              happy are you going to be at 70 with no cash and
                              a pile of medical bills?  Maybe the illegal they
                              have at the home will roll you over once a week
                              if you're nice to her and haven't shit on your-
                              self too much.
                   \_ You can be a BOFH, but I'm sure they don't teach that
                      in any sysadmin "class".
                        \_ Nice in theory.  In the RW you get fired.  Why you'd
                           want this in the first place is a mystery.
                           \_ I'd like to have a BOFH more than I'd like to
                              have the nimrod in IS who thought that my
                              problem could be solved by upgrading to the
                              latest version of Eudora for my (Solaris!)
                              desktop.  I'd get just as much help from the
                              BOFH, but I'd be more entertained.
                                \_ Why would you want either?  It's like trying
                                   to choose between getting run over by a red
                                   or a blue SUV.
                                   \_ In my world, there are no BOFHs, nimrods,
                                      or SUVs (red, blue, or otherwise);
                                      everyone rides bike, uses Linux, and does
                                      their own admin (unless you're part of
                                      the 3l33t overclass; then the admins are
                                      h0t ch1x!!1! who also happen to have
                                      more UNIX clue than any currently living
                                      human.  I, of course, lead the
                                        \_ Enjoyed your nap?  Now back to work,
                \_ Well, that depends, you can oftentimes make little (or even
                   not-so-little) projects for yourself to liven up the daily
                   routine. Other than that I don't think there's any way that
                   sysadminning can't be boring.
                        \_ I get paid to surf.  But I get paid a lot more than
                           the other people at work with jobs even more boring
                           and tedious.  -sysadmin
        \_ sure.  tom will teach you how to properly swap a backup tape.
                \_ AND INITIAL THE TAPE LOGS, DAMN IT!
        \_ UC Santa Cruz Extension offers a bunch of evening programs for
           this sort of thing.
                \_ Gotta retrain all those secretaries from the typing pool to
                   install win95.
                \_ I would suggest learning the UNIX basics from a friend,
                   then take the UNIX Sys Admin Architecture and other more
                   advanced classes later.
2000/1/8 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17192 Activity:moderate
1/7     On a linux box, what would this command do...?
        tar -c /dev/hda0
        \_ It will backup that disk.  though sending it to standard output
           is kind of stupid
                \_ Most unix tars dump to the default tape device if no output
                   is specified, gnu tar included.
2000/1/7 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17186 Activity:high
1/6     Ring noise purged.  Summary: don't be a cheap bastard, you won't miss
        the few $k in 20 years but she'll miss not having a nice rock.  Don't
        kid yourselves about taking a vacation instead.  The ring is forever.
        \_ until the dumb broad loses it.
                \_ Uh... ya.  One, you insured the ring, right?  Two, that's
                        \_ Is a replacement really the same?
                                \_ It is if you feel it is.  Is a lost ring
                                   and tears forever better than a replacement?
                                   I'll take the replacement.
                   your wife.  If the troll married a dummy, he deserves what
                   he gets.  Also, sometimes shit just happens when you're
                   wearing a 4 figure rock on a finger.
                   \_ funny, I still have MY ring. - male
                        \_ So uhm your point is what?  Or is this just some
                           out of context factoid for the round file?
        \_ Aspo trolling for anti-aspo comment purged.  Nice try, though.
2000/1/7-8 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17181 Activity:nil
1/6     I'm presently a General Sys. Admin. who has just begun doing a lot
        more Unix stuff (which i enjoy a lot). My boss has offered me the
        junior DBA position (+ some unix admin stuff on the side) with the
        advantage of being able to get out of the telcom area (which i
        stupidly got myself mixed up in).  Unfortunately I don't have a
        firm grasp on what a DBA even DOES, let alone if i would like it.
        Any Advice?
        \_ DBA's are thos guys that quit their jobs after a week after
           realizing how amazingly boring it is.  There's a reason why
           you get paid a lot and it's not because of your wonderful
           skills.  It's about the most boring job in the world and I
           would suggest you look somewhere else.
                \_ they get paid A LOT. What is your point? $ = motivation.
        \_ If you can stand the boredom and the responsibility, go for it.
           As the junior guy, they'll teach you the basics, so don't worry
           about that.  They understand you know nothing.  The hard part is
           that if you break the DB, everyone will know it instantly and the
           whole company could be fucked even if you've been doing backups.
           \_ true. even shorter summary: If you can live being as anal
              about change control as the NSA is about security, its
              a good thing. Otherwise, move on when you get the chance.
2000/1/6-7 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17179 Activity:high
1/6     tar -cX directory.tar exclude_file /directory
        doesn't seem to work on my Sun Solaris 7 box. (Though that is the
        way the man page seems to say to write it).
        tar -cvX exclude_file directory.tar /directory
        lists the right files to be tared + tries to include directory.tar
        in the tar.
        Someone please tell me what i'm doing wrong.  This has taken me
        far too long to figure out one friggin' command.
        \_ You're forgetting the "f" flag:
                tar -cfX directory.tar exclude_file /directory
             \_  Thanks.  I'm an idiot.
                 \_ And you're a moron for not removing your entry.
                    \_ Which of course makes you twice the moron for not
                       removing it either.
                       \_ I hope you never breed.
2000/1/5-7 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17163 Activity:low
1.5     I read that there's an OBDC driver for Perl called win32::obdc .
        However, I have vague knowledge on the subject after doing a
        little research on it.  My impression is that it's exclusively
        used for the windows operating system; however, the FAQ on it alo
        comes off as implying that it's available for Unix/Linux systems
        as well.  I know that OBDC has an interface to Oracle and a few
        other databases; my work's database seems to be stored on a
        FreeBSD Unix system (I could be wrong).  Anyway, my boss was
        talking about attempting to use Java for it's OBDC interface
        because it's supposdly pretty fast.  This leads me to further
        believe that the OBDC system works for Unix/Linux.  Yet according
        to the FAQ on the win32::obdc module, the OBDC drivers seem only
        to exist for the windows operating system.  Either way, I'm
        really confused regarding the issue.  - keithyw
        \_ All the win32:: stuff is windows only.  Unix perl modules have been
           written that can talk everything except ODBC.  There's freetds which
           is currently at version 0.50 which can maybe do some simple queries
           but I haven't used it and the authors say the odbc parts are little
           more than a skeleton of features.  You need a windows side client
           for real odbc, or the unix side can almost certainly talk in your
           unix database's "natural" language be it Oracle, Sybase, or
           whatever.  Others may have better answers.  I've already scoured
           the net for my own unix/odbc needs and freetds was the best I
           found.  Hopefully someone else knows better.  -reiffin
        \_ Not sure if this answers your q's, but... It does not matter
           which OS your DB resides in (WinNT, Unix, OS/390, etc.), if the
           if there is an ODBC driver for your DB, you can talk to it. Most
           drivers that conform to the ODBC API exist for Windows, but there
           are ODBC drivers for Unix for Oracle and DB/2 (and probably others).
           \_ Free and mostly functional odbc drivers for unix?  URL?? Please!
            \_ they exist.  they are not free.  no url handy.
                \_ Cheap is ok too.  Got a name so I can find it myself?  Even
                   a "sounds like XYZ" will do.
2000/1/2-5 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17148 Activity:nil
01/02   tcsh 6.09 (plus histcycle patch) installed as ntcsh; bugs to mconst.
1999/12/28-30 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17113 Activity:high
12/28   Url for restriced shell for linux?
        \_ Yes.
            \_ Yes what?
               \_ No.
                \_ "Yes" as in "Yes, there is a URL for restricted shells.
                   "No" they aren't for "linux".  -tired of linux = unix
                    \_ I find it hard to believe this code won't port to
                       linux. How 'bout FreeBSD
                        \_ You're not getting it.  Nevermind.
                          \_ That was too subtle for you?  You are dense.
                                \_ You're still not getting it....
        \_ bash -r ?
           \_doesn't seem to work on the linux box (nor does bsh -r)
1999/12/28-29 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17111 Activity:nil
12/28   I want to serve Java applets off a web site.  I also want to
        compile and run a daemon that listens to a TCP port for special
        clients.  What's a good ISP that can provide web space and also
        let me telnet in and do these things?  Thanks.  (Is dragging in a
        DSL line and having the actual web server here a reasonable idea?)
        \_ You probably won't find an ISP that'll let you have your own TCP
           port on their server. So yes, dragging in DSL is reasonable.
1999/12/21-24 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17081 Activity:nil
12/21   'man' works, man -k (apropos) doesn't ("/usr/share/man/windex: No
        such file or directory").  What do i need to do?
        \_ unsetenv MANPATH
        \_ use catman -w
        \_ Read the man page for man of course
1999/12/18 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17065 Activity:nil
12/17 is now netscape for unix compliant(tm)
1999/12/8-9 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17027 Activity:moderate
12/7    Hi what is the Unix command line utility or is there such an utility
        that can invoke a command process on a remote machine (Lets say a
        NT system)
        \_ you were doing fine until you mentioned NT...
          \_ I know it's almost impossible but it's probable.
                \_ It isn't anything even close to impossible.  It just
                   matters what you're trying to actually do and how important
                   security is and a few other things.  Keep reading.  This is
                   all covered below.  Why reply until you've read what others
                   have to say?
        \_ you can invoke remote processes on other unix machines  with rsh
           or ssh.  If you want to invoke processes on NT with something
           command-line-ish, install a telnet daemon on the NT machine and
           activate the commands through an expect script.  Or see if you can
           find unix-like rsh commands for NT. -ERic
                \_ MKS makes unix tools for NT.
        \_ Or you can run perl and have it listen on a socket and then... oh
           it makes me shudder.  I've considered this but never actually done
           due to the annoyance, security issues, etc.
        \_ Exceed comes with a telnet server.  It works on 95, probably for NT,
           also.  It gives you a dos prompt, and will even launch a GUI on
           the remote machine (but you won't be able to interact with the
           GUI, unless there's a trick).
           \_ It's no better than a million other NT telnet servers.  It's
              just telnet, people.  It isn't hard.  It *is* insecure.
           \_ Exceed telnetd is a ridiculously broken hack. For one thing,
              it can't even do terminal control properly, so occasionally
              ends up disallowing more than 25 lines of input in one telnet
              session.   -pissed off
                \_ Slnet from seatle labs is ok but still not perfect.  Much
                   better than the exceed crap.
        \_ BO.
1999/11/30 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16970 Activity:moderate
11/30   how do program a matrix? (use a sparse matrix) ie: i want to track
        and keep track of a person as to where they are in solving something
        (like following an specified path)- where they are at in a path, the
        path can have many entry points to the main road (or trunk of a tree).
        any ideas? thanks
        \_ Learn English and pick on an assignment your own size. -- ilyas
        \_ Well, this is such an unclear question, I can't even begin to answer
           it (I could guess what you mean, but why?).  Try asking the question
           using more words in a newsgroup.
        \_ Unfortunately, no one can be told what the matrix is, they
           must see it for themself...
           \_ Batman.
        \_ I did that once and all that happened was they made this weird
           movie that bugged mothers because it had trench coats in it.  Dunno.
1999/11/28-12/1 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16961 Activity:high
11/27   Question of the day: Does anyone know what will happen if I do:
        tar cvf - big_file | tar xvf -
        Will file get corrupt? This is solaris tar btw.
        \_ Uh. Gee.  You could test it.
        \_ use linux. ride bike. problem solved.
           \_ U53 W1ND0Z3 MAN. W1N98 15 50 KRAD. 1T CAN RUN 3V3RYTH1N6
              THAT L1NUX CANT MAN. SO USE W1ND0Z3 CUZ 1T5 C00L
        \_ Yes.
                \_ I've heard you can screw up and tar over stuff in
                that way and it will be fine as long as you let the
                tar finish without interrupting it.  -ax
                \_ you heard wrong
                \_ I just tried it and didn't have a problem on Solaris 5.7 -ax
                   \_ Did you try with a big enough file?  Just wondering.
                      -- yuen
                        \_ What's "big enough"?  It's nondeterministic.
                        \_ The file I used was 1.2 megs -ax
        \_ Why would you want to?
1999/11/27-12/1 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16959 Activity:nil
11/27  SAS gurus - what the SAS-UNIX command to increase the total memory
        allocated to SAS while it processes a job? Am without access
        to my local SAS guru this weekend. -fab
        \_ use linux. ride bike. problem solved.
           \_ U53 W1ND0Z3 MAN. W1N98 15 50 KRAD. 1T CAN RUN 3V3RYTH1N6
              THAT L1NUX CANT MAN. SO USE W1ND0Z3 CUZ 1T5 C00L
1999/11/24-26 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16949 Activity:high
11/23   How do I count the number of times a single character occurs in
        a text file?
        \_ tr -dc '*' <sky | wc -c          # count the stars in the sky
           \_ Much appreciated.
           \_ very poetic. i like it.       _/
              \_ so a girl must have written it.  yet at the same time,
                 only a guy would try to pack different unix shell
                 functionality onto a single line.  so who's the author?
                 \_ an effeminate sodan (and how rare are those?)
                 \_ Males aren't creative?  Females can't use unix?  You're
                    an idiot.  It happens to be an old line.
                    \_ Therefore, it had to be written by a guy, since
                       there are no (ancient) female unix programmers.
                        \_ Uh yeah...  Even if so (it's not), being old means
                           even someone new could know it.  So it *must* be
                           a hermaphrodite.  Uh yeah.  That's it.  :-)
                           \_ I meant "written by", in the sense of
                              'FIRST written by'
                                \_ Oh.  In that case it isn't funny.  It was
                                   funny the other way.
        \_ while ((c=getchar()) != EOF) {
            if c=yourchar ...
        \_ perl -e '.....
        \_ Can't ED do this quite easily?
1999/11/23-26 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16942 Activity:high
11/23   In linux, how do you prevent non-wheel users from su'ing to root.
        This seems to be default in most unixes.
        \_ If you want the fascist BSD behavior, hack the GNU 'su'
           source; GNU 'su' from sh-utils doesn't support 'wheel' because
           RMS doesn't believe in group 'wheel'.  (Read the documentation
           if you don't believe me...)  Or, install the shadow password
           suite from, which
           may be more your style. -brg
           \_ RMS is a freak.  The spread of the internet worm in the late 80s
              was partly a result of his idiotic rms:rms account:pw bullshit.
        \_ Geeze.. install a real unix, not a "unix-like" OS.  If you want
           unix power, install it.  Don't try to pervert your toy into it.
           Or you could do what all the fanatics are talking about: you have
           the source; rewrite it.  That's the point of Linux, isn't it?
           \_ says ..
              The OpenBSD project produces a FREE, multi-platform 4.4BSD-based
              UNIX-like operating system. So *BSD is not real unix either.
              We all should get a copy of sysvr4 to run real unix :p
                \_ That's only a legalism.  openbsd is the real thing.  Linux
                   is a wannabe.
           \_ What defines something a real UNIX and something not a real UNIX?
                \_ OpenBSD has to say that because legally, only an OS
                    certified by The Open Group ( can be
                    called UNIX(tm).
                   \_ But OpenBSD, like all BSD's, actually have a real
                      ancestral roots in ATT Unix.  Even though they now
                      are now unencumbered from ATT source (gogo USL lawsuit)
                      the heritage is there.  Notice that you can buy a
                      personal Unix license which lets you get a copy of
                      all the Unix source including earlier BSD's from
           \_ Many real UNIX'es don't restrict who can su root - it's a BSDism
              that SysV didn't pick up.  The real answer - don't give them the
              root password and they can't su.
                \_ Fuck SysV.  I always hated SysV.  SysV is lamer unix.
        \_ "chgrp wheel /bin/su;chmod 4750 /bin/su"?
           \_ Hey, an answer to the question, amazing. As for the guy who
              said  "don't giv them the password," Remind me not to put you
              in charge of security on my network.  Brute force works
              awfully well on these new uber-fast computers.
                \_ If you think su blocking will keep them out, you shouldn't
                   be in charge of security anywhere.  If you ignore the
                   thousands of "su failed" messages that a brute force would
                   display, it's your fault.
                   \_ not to mention if you pick a real root password noone
                      is going to brute force it.  Especially because su
                      almost definatly includes a delay if the person typed
                      in the password wrong.
                      \_ That delay is really going to slow me down with
                         my N su's all running in parallel.
                         \_ yes it is.  Are you really this dumb?
                            \_ Process limits are easy to get around. Or did
                               you have somthing else in mind? What protects
                               you is chosing a strong password, not some
                               silly one-second delay.
                               \_ 1) What part of "real root password" don't
                                     you understand?
                                     \_ No such thing.  Anything can be brute
                                        \_ Assume the root password changes
                                           once every 5 years.  Remember the
                                           assumption is the root password
                                           is not one that a nice crack
                                           heuristic can guess.  The
                                           password space is BIG.
                                  2) Running out of machine resources on the
                                     other hand is not easy to get around.
                                     \_ You know that the pw failed as soon as
                                      su doesn't give you a prompt. So SIGKILL
                                      it then. No delay, no resource limit, no
                                      problem. The point is that su's delay
                                      doesn't get you any benefit in and of
                                      itself. You can get it down to where it
                                      takes hardly any more resources than it
                                      would without the delay.
                                      \_ actually they do the delay even
                                         if you choose the right password.
                                         But even if they didn't you would
                                         a significant amount of time
                                         (compared to the amount of time a
                                         crack takes) just to know the test
                                         had failed.  Even if it was a few
                                         mircoseconds that adds up QUICK.
                                         OH and umm, starting up that new
                                         su process is EXPENSIVE compared to
                                         the password check.
                                     Do you have any idea how many attempts
                                     you need to do to brute force a password?
                                     \_ Doesn't matter.  Got time.  Some OS's
                                        even let me read the pw file.  I can
                                        copy it elsewhere.  If I have physical
                                        access to anything, you're totally
                                        \_ this person wasn't asking about
                                           shadow passwords.  The issue was
                                           su being a security hole.  Not
                                           And a few more points...
                                           If you are so stupid you think
                                           anyone being able to su as root
                                           is a security hole cause they can
                                           use it to crack root by a brute
                                           force attack, well guess what,
                                           they can jsut brute force the
                                           account of someone who has wheel
                                           and then brute force the root
                                           password from that account.
                                           You obviously are some pathetic
                                           fool who knows only enough to
                                           be dangerous.
                                           The dangers of letting anyone su
                                           to root are along the lines of
                                           person x knows the root password
                                           somehow.  (Either was told,
                                           looked over someone's shoulder,
                                           sniffed it cause some fool
                                           used the root password over an
                                           insecure net, etc.)  It gives you
                                           a minor level of security in those
                                           cases.  However there are much
                                           more dangerous things to worry
                \_ If someone can brute force the password, why would he even
                   bother to su to root?  He'll just simply login as root.
                   \_ not if remote root logins are disabled.
        \_ I don't let my users login.
           \_ *cheer*!  --BOFH
                \_ I figure it's safest that way.  I print their email and
                   leave it in their inbox via in-house courier/mailboy.  They
                   use the phone to call anyone back.  WebTV for browsing.
        \_ Take it to a fucking security newsgroup.
1999/11/20-22 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16927 Activity:moderate
11/18  /var/mail at 100%. Got mail? Get rid of it..
        \_ Root is evil!  Buy more disk!  Ride bike!  Linux wouldn't have
           run out of disk with the new beta3 of the mail compressing file
           system, mcfs!!!
        \_ we need philfs
        \_ We already have philcompress.  root can just use that on /var/mail.
           -- ilyas
           \_ philfs would use philcompress automatically though, and there's
              no telling what other nifty features Phillip would include.
1999/11/19-22 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16924 Activity:nil
11/18   I'm trying to test out smbclient with a friend of mine but I keep
        getting this error message:
        $ echo hello | smbclient -M my.friends.ip
        Added interface ip= bcast= nmask=
        session request failed
        Does the other computer have to be in the same subnet for samba
        to work?
        \_ I've never got -M to work.  Try -L to list his shares.  No it will
           cross subnets, routers, switches, hubs, gateways, etc, no problem.
           Check the samba docs for the 'official' way to test a connection.
           \_ naw, it did the same thing.  But it did at least give out
              an IP address this time.
                \_ Firewalls?  Can you ping?  Is he exporting any shares?
                   Does he have the "Server" service running on the 'd0ze side?
                   \_ no, no firewalls.  he and his roomate have a multiple
                      ip dsl line and they both can see each other's windoze
                      services.  i can't for some reason.  i'm behind a
                      linux firewall though.
                        \_ Turn off firewall and try again.
           is real useful whenever I'm trying to find out what I've done wrong
                \_ That's the thing I was refering to earlier but was too lazy
                   to find.  "the official way to test a connection".  Anyway,
                   since we haven't heard back, he either gave up or it was the
                   \_ Well, I tried it from the gateway itself (no natd or
                      IP masq) and turned off all the firewall rules and
                      I got the same error messages.  So yes, I did give up.
                        \_ smbclient -L HIS.IP.ADDRESS doesn't give a password
                           prompt after saying session failed?  It sounds like
                           there's something really simple going on.  Minor
                           config error.
1999/11/17 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16913 Activity:nil
11/17   How come almost all of the dirs in /ftp/pub are now owned by root?  I
        can't put or delete files in the dir that I created a long time ago.
        \_ The permissions got reset by mistake a while back.  If you would
           like ownership of your directory back, mail root and we'll fix it.
1999/11/14-16 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16871 Activity:high
11/14   I know they're generally a pretty lame alternative, but how
        would people/root/politburo feel about running a webmail server
        on soda for folks who'd like to check their mail by browser?
        Mind you, I'm not suggesting a public free mail server, but
        currently I have nothing but proxied http net access, and I
        wasn't about to suggest port-redirecting http on scotch to ssh
        the way mconst did with telnet (yay!)  I have been playing with
        MailMan from with the idea of having cron
        move my mail to a restricted directory so I could read it via
        shell account as well as browser.  Has anyone ever considered an
        https server on scotch/soda so http passwords wouldn't be sent
        in cleartext?  Just some thoughts...   -John
        \_ I'd prefer to respond to this over mail. --root
                \_ in my personal experience, root usually replies something
                   and then just delete my mail. fuck root.
                      \_ What do these acronymns stand for?
                      ENGLISH SO MANY DIFFICULT! -(fucker)
                      \_ Go home, fuckered, stop blabbering on the motd.
                         \_ At least (fucker) is funny.  What have you
                            contributed recently?
                   \_ Fuck you.  FOAD --Jon
                      \_ What does this acronymn stand for?
                   \_ Heyyyy, take that back.  meanness to roots is not
                      tolerated.  you must write with respect.
                      --Consumer Affairs Department
        \_ .forward
        \_ Have you thought of getting non-proxy net access?
           \_ I currently forward my mail from soda, and I have a mail
              address and non-proxy net access with a provider.  I
              was simply playing around with ways to get my mail off
              soda through a firewall for the fun of it, and thought that
              maybe, perhaps, possibly, people might be interested in having
              me invest some time to set it up.  Obviously not, since
              I haven't gotten any feedback except from the usual
              too-chickenshit-to-sign-your-name peanut gallery.  -John
                \_ I never sign my name but I didn't add anything to this
                   thread until now.  --too-chickenshit-to-sign-my-name-monkey
        \_ install IMAP & TWIG on a machine with APACHE-SSL
1999/11/2-4 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16813 Activity:low
11/2    How often does xntpd on soda sync the system clock with the server?
        I'm trying to sync my clock with soda's clock, and I want to see at
        what time soda's clock is supposed to be most accurate.  Thx.  -- yuen
        \_ Soda's clock has been inaccurate recently, and xntpd has not been
           very successful at keeping it in sync.  If you want to synchronize
           your clock with something, use <DEAD><DEAD>.  If you just want
           to see the correct time, run "nc ntp1 daytime".
        \_ you are implying that there is some kind of saw-tooth divergence
           in the clocks.  w/ xntpd the clock drift is a converging process,
           and the most accurate clock value is not necessarily right after
           a single sample.
1999/11/2-4 [Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/SW/Unix/WindowManager] UID:16812 Activity:kinda low
11/1    Does Redhat not allow for .login and .cshrc files in the user
        directory to be executed automagically?
        \_ No it works fine if you use it properly.  (Are you sure your
           shell is csh or tcsh?  Are they owned by the user?)
           \_ It works fine from a virtual console, but for some reason when
              you log in at runlevel 5 your .login isn't sourced.  Not sure if
              this is from gdm, gnome, or what.  If you find out let me know;
              I got bored looking for the answer. --mogul
              \_ When you login in at runlevel 5 it runs your .profile or
                 your autoexec or some such file depending on your window
                 manager.  You can call your .login from there.  Also when
                 you start a xterm by clicking on an icon your window
                 manager is probably not starting the xterm with the right
                 options.  If you want the xterm to be a "login shell"
                 and source .login you need to do xterm -ls or xterm +ls
                 (I don't remember which). Hope that helps. --emin
              \_ Solaris 7/CDE is good about this because it does source
                 the .login when you login; and xterms that you create
                 don't re-source the .login but do inherit env vars.
                 Why Linux/KDE doesn't do it automagically I'm wondering also.
                 \_ You know why.
                    \_ yes, i do
                        \_ Then let's leave it at that before the fanatics
                           'get it' and go balistic and wipe the motd or
1999/11/2 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16809 Activity:moderate
11/1    Just heard of Phat Linux [<DEAD>]<DEAD> from a non-techie
        friend, read up on it, and the whole idea seems pretty damn
        ridiculuous. Anyone have any experience? For one thing, do they
        actually emulate *nixish file permissions on FAT partitions?
        \_ Why should they emulate anything?  It's all just bits on disk,
           who cares where they store them?
        \_ Emulating Unix file permissions on top of FAT is an old concept.
           It's been available on Linux for some years; I recall that it
           was an _install option_ (UMSDOS) in the first version of Slackware
           I tried.  There are various caveats about diminished performance
           and so forth.  You can store a real Unix filesystem as a file
           within a DOS filesystem (mounted through the loopback interface)
           if you so desire -- thus avoiding repartitioning and still giving
           you a full-fledged Unix fs.  This also has performance problems,
           and requires you to mount the DOS fs normally first, which would
           require the use of an initial ramdisk if you wanted to use it as
           a root fs for Linux.  In general, a Linux install on top of a
           Windows system without repartitioning (and sometimes without
           the need to reboot for the install process) is a growing trend,
           because it's "kinder, gentler" to Windows users.  -- schoen
           \_ If you read the URL, you'd see they're not doing UMSDOS or
              screwing around with loopbacks or single files.  They are using
              the FAT filesystem as is without the UMSDOS shenannigans.  This
              is a bit more impressive than the silly UMSDOS method and also
              easier and less scary for the low tech folks who simply want to
              try out a semi-real OS.  Performance isn't an issue since any
              *nix will outperform their win98 crap on the same hardware.  They
              don't know the performance could be even higher and that isn't
        \_ it wouldn't take too much to implement writeable rockridge
           extensions.  the "rockridge" extensions are what give you unix
           permissions on a CDROM disk for example with extra hidden files
           that contain the unix filesystem meta-data.  the dos-style
           filnames act kind of like inodes.
1999/10/30-31 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16798 Activity:very high
10/30   I accidentally posted my hostname and root password to usenet.  Help!
        \_ how stupid are you? change the password, and get on with life.
           \_ I DID!  It was posted again!  I think I have a virus!  Help!
           \_ I DID!  It was posted again!  I think I have a virus!  Help!
        \_ how stupid are you to respond to him?
           \_ Help!  I'm stuck under a bridge and can't get out!  ACK!
1999/10/25-27 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16765 Activity:very high
10/24   alumni.eecs is down again. Could someonw with root powers check it
        out? thanks!
        \_ mail root@alumni.eecs.  heh.
           \_ tried that before. no one checks root email there.
                \_ I was joking.
        \_ root@ucsee.eecs,
        \_ actually, the machine itself is up (it's ping-able) but the telnet
           service isn't. Been seeing some weird things with alumni/ucsee
           machines today. :-(
        \_ Time for a three-finger salute?
        \_ Hmm... single-user mode perhaps?
          \_ Then a single-finger salute is in order.
        \_ OK it's up, but old mail still needs to be delivered. Dunno whose
           responsibility that is.
        |__ Hey jon, feeling a bit tense about alumni.eecs?
        \_ FOAD --jon
        \_ PLUR --jon
        \_ I'd help you but I quit for reasons that anybody, who has typed
           uname on alumni, can figure out.  The other sysadmins have
           graduated.  Given that you have a csua account, one wonders why
           you would even want your alumni account back up.  But if I have
           any spare time from cs 152 I'll see if I can get it going again.
           \_ how about replacing alumni? would anyone be willing to do it
              if I donate an old sparc lx?
                \_ You really think a $50 computer will help?
                        \_ it's better than the current alumni.
                \_ email jon@soda; he may be willing.
                   \_ I hate that machine.  I don't know why I bother with it.
                      Fuck ultrix, fuck clueless users who think they are
                      entitled to services, and fuck flaky hardware. --jon
                            *just* enough crochety and cluess alums (who don't
                            seem to understand that the machine is run by
                            student volunteers rather than paid admins) to
                            make life as a sysadmin there awfully annoying.
                      \_ what? are you mocking that bad ass DEC Station 3100
                         running Ultrix, the best OS ever?
                         running Ultrix?
                         running Ultrix, the best OS ever?
                         \_ PLUR --jon
                         \_ FOAD --jon
                         \_ Well (speaking from some personal experience), not
                            only does alumni.EECS have the DS/Ultrix thing
                            going against it, but it also has a user base with
                            *just* enough crochety and clueless alums (who
                            don't seem to understand that the machine is run
                            by student volunteers rather than paid admins) to
                            make life as a sysadmin there incredibly annoying.
                            I appreciate having the "@alumni.EECS.Berkeley"
                            mailing address, and would be more than willing to
                            throw in my share of cash for a replacement
                            machine, but can understand why the current
                            caretakers would want to throw in the towel.
                            Maybe the dept. should take over the hostname for
                            some kind of mail-forwarding arrangement, or some
                            competent alum volunteers should step forward to
                            take a share of root-type responsibilities . . .
                                             -- former root@alumni.EECS person
                            \_ Nonononono, as a crotchety clueless alum, I
                               insist we stand by tradition and have students
                               continue trying to support dead hardware running
                               a badly b0rken bsd clone from 10 years ago. I'll
                               tell ya, Back In My Day, we were lucky to have
                               \_ FOAD --jon
                               a 4 meg sun 3/50 with swap mounted remotely on
                               another sun over a 10mbit shared networked.  You
                               youngin's today... whine whine whine....
                               \_ PLUR --jon
                                 --- clueless crotchety alum
                                     PLUR an acronym for?
                               \_ FOAD --jon
                                  \_ pardon my cluelessness but what is
                                     FOAD an acronym for?
                               \_ you left out "and sharing the same
                                  swap server with 20 other machines
                                  was a small price to pay..."
                                  \_ I thought of that but didn't want to
                                     re-edit to add it in.  Any other clueless
           \_ FOAD --jon
                                     crotchety alum would've known what I was
                                     talking about.
           still time!  (Oh yeah, and FOAD.)
                                        \_ I volunteered less ancient h/w
                                           before, but no one reads root email
                                           on alumni. I think alums should
                                           volunteer h/w, but sysadmin should
           \_ PLUR --jon
                                           be a student service for someone who
                                           wants to learn sysadmin stuff.
           still time!  (Oh yeah, and PLUR.)
        \_ Its still down for some reason after a brief uptime...
           \_ FOAD --jon
                \_ Because it's an ancient piece of crap.
        \_ It's back up now, so move your files off of it while there's
           still time!  (Oh yeah, and FOAD.)
        \_ As an alum, I definitely wouldn't mind making donations of cash,
           or hardware to keep alumni alive. This should be an organized
           effort, though. Something that is sanctioned and kept alive
           from generation to generation.
            \_ Too late.  The powers that be are talking about making a
               subscription mail forwarding $ervice.
            \_ <DEAD><DEAD> mail forward?
1999/10/25 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16762 Activity:nil
10/24   So i expand a tar archive as root and find that the files are
        owned by various users on my system.  It doesn't seem like that
        is a good idea.  Why is it? What can i do about it?
        \_ It's a fine idea.  Suppose you wanted to move several people's
           accounts from one disk to another.  If you used cp, you'd risk
           having symbolic links copied entire, and the result would
           be owned by root.  Tar preserves ownership.  It's very useful.
           For the rest of your answer I refer you to the manpage for tar,
           and for "chown".  --PeterM
1999/10/25-26 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16761 Activity:high
10/24   Can anyone tell me why slocal might silently fail, so that I
        can fix it?  --PeterM;
        \_ I switched to procmail.  Was it working and then suddenly stopped
           or never worked?
           \_ It worked before an OS reinstall and won't work now.  --PM
                \_ Pulling from ancient memory I think slocal has some sort
                   of debugging option that will print out what it's doing.
                   mail -v might be revealing as well.
                   \_  My manpage is too lame to describe any options.
                       know what it might be?  Mail -v won't help me
                       because I use slocal via exmh.  It goes into
                       the normal mailbox.  --PeterM
1999/10/24-25 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16757 Activity:nil
10/21   Lesson request:  I'm on a slow network of MS computers, with a
        huge backup running and sucking up all the bandwidth.  When i try
        computer one to to large copy a file from Windows another it is
        very slow, but if i use FTP, it is very fast.  What up?  (I'm
        hoping for something a little more technical than "MS sucks").
        \_ NetBEUI!
        \_ ED!  ED!  ED is the STANDARD!  Network Backup Tool.
        \_ SMB sucks.
           \_ Just as an aside, isn't it called CIFS now (Common Internet
              File System)? Only M$ would believe that a piece of crap
              like SMB would make the perfect file sharing protocol over
              the internet. As if we don't have enough crap congesting the
              network. I just wish that Sun and IBM would get thier act
              together and squash M$.
                \_ HAHAHAHA -IBM couldn't squash M$ when it was an 8 man
                 company. WHat are they goning to do now that M$ has more
                 money (and manpower) than GOD?
                 \_ MS is nothing.  They're a dead struggling company holding
                    on to their last threads.  Not long from now, MS will be
                    nothing but a footnote in IBM's historical notes.
          \_ Yeah, like most microsoft originated networking protocols, SMB is
             a piece of shit.  FTP is going to be much faster.
             \_ but we want a protocol that saturates a 100bT network so that
                nobody else can use it. We must monopolize the network as
                well as the market.
                \_ SMB is a Cisco plot to sell higher end hardware.
        \_ I guess rsync doesn't exist for Winblows, huh.  How about
           faking it with a Samba box so you can use rsync? :-) -John
                \_ This will let you use MSBackup.  You need to go the other
                   way and export nfs from your 'd0ze boxes.  Either way, NT
                   and Bill Gates both suck my hot throbbing cock.
                   \_ is there a free Pc implementation of NFS?
                      \_ Yes there is one, but I don't recall its name.
                         However, all NT NFS setups I've seen were buggy,
                         slow kludges.  Your best bet, if you need real
                         network services as well as all of the NT SMB
                         crap, is *BSD/Linux running Samba and Sharity.  -John
                      \_ yes.  it's called freebsd and linux.
1999/10/21-22 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16749 Activity:nil
10/21   Can someone recommend an easy/free way to download an entire
        web-tree for off-line viewing?
        \_ Yes.
        \_ wget is your friend.
1999/10/20-21 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16739 Activity:nil
        /bin/ps meets DOOM.  Really _kill_ those errant processes.
1999/10/18-19 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16726 Activity:moderate
10/17   Is there a tcsh alias that will prepend/append a directory to my
        alias   addpath 'setenv CLASSPATH \!*:$CLASSPATH'
        doesn't work.
        \_ alias a 'setenv BLAH \!{*}:$BLAH' ... You're welcome.  The man
           pages cover the use of {} around variables in cases like this.
           \_ Embrace the man page!
1999/10/17-19 [Computer/HW, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16725 Activity:high
10/17   I'm on a linux box, logged into another linux box on the same
        network and want to run x-windows on the remote box in a way that
        will display on my local terminal.  Is it possible?  How?
        \_ xhost or ssh's X11 display forwarding.  And sign your name.  -John
           \_ As in
              on local computer:
              xhost + remotecomputer
              on remote computer:
              setenv DISPLAY localcomputer:0   (in tcsh) or
              DISPLAY=localcomputer:0; export DISPLAY  (in (ba)sh)
              or easier yet, just ssh -C and everything will fix itself.
              \_ <snip rant about xhost + being insecure; xhost + a single
                  host has no serious consequences whatsoever>
                        \-clearly a sloda new comer :-) --psb
                \_ uh, it does if anyone else can log on to that computer.
                   \_ well, alright, within bounds of common sense, that is
                                \- i havent looked at the x internals in a
                                while but as of 3-4 years ago there was a
                                sneaky way once you did a xhost + to not let
                                a later xhost - work ... this really isnt a
                                good idea. it's not a matter common sense but
                                ignorance of what is under the hood. --psb
                                \_ There's also the fun "xhost -" which will
                                   prevent further "xhost +" commands from
                                   working since you've also killed localhost.
                                   Please restart X or reboot to fix.  Depending
                                   on X config, logging out and in again won't
                                   necessarily 'fix' the xhost settings.
                        \_ Idiot.  DNS can be spoofed, moron. I *know* you
                           don't work at my company. You'd never have gotten
                           hired babbling stupidities like "'xhost + host' has
                           no serious consequences whatsoever".  You're a
                           complete and utter fool.  Do they still not teach
                           any sort of computer security class at Cal?
                                \_ Grad level only unfortunately.
                           \_ Only people who hang out with CSUA geeks ever
                              learn about this stuff by the time they graduate.
                              BS/BA != clue.
                                \_ The "it's harmless" person isn't spending
                                   enough time with CSUA geeks then.  It
                                   doubly pisses me off that this ignorant
                                   jerk went so far as to actually delete my
                                   completely true and correct comments about
                                   not doing this and was stupid enough to
                                   refer to said comments as merely ranting.
                                   I'm certain this fool has graduated yet,
                                   I'm certain this fool hasn't graduated yet,
                                   so maybe there's still some slim hope, but
                                   I doubt it.
1999/10/17 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16724 Activity:nil
10/15   nsplit <file> <n>
        #!/bin/csh -f
        if ($#argv != 2) then
                echo "Usage: `basename $0` <file> <number>"
                exit 1
                set SPLITFILE = $1
                set FILECOUNT = $2
        if !(-e ${SPLITFILE} && ${FILECOUNT} > 0) then
                echo "Bad arguments."
                exit 2
        set linetotal = `cat ${SPLITFILE} | wc -l`
        set linecount = `expr ${linetotal} / ${FILECOUNT} + 1`
        split -$linecount $splitfile
        \_ Why is this in the motd?
1999/10/15-17 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:29932 Activity:kinda low
10/14   /var/mail is full; clean up your crap!
        top ten mail hosers:
        jenlam    7488 jam       7832
        tonytung  7968 alvinwoo  8232
        ramses    8496 moraleda  8720
        robin     8832 klee      9680
        suzuki    12032 rico      12160
        \_ Hey root, why don't you move these hozer's mail spools to
           their home directories?
           \_ root would rather have users police themselves. fucker.
                \_ the various root users know that sometimes when
                   they try to deal with sloppy users' mail for them
                   they sometimes get "rm" confused with "mv".
1999/10/15-17 [Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/HW/Laptop] UID:29930 Activity:nil
10/14   I am on my laptop on a (someone elses) network behind a proxy,
        trying to control my PC (not behind a proxy).  I can telnet, but
        P.C. anywhere does not seem to work.  Do you think i'd have better
        luck with back-orafice or some other similar non-commercial software?
        \No, you would not. I believe the problem is with your proxy. You need t\
o contact your sysadmin and make sure that the appropriate port that PC Anywhere\
 uses to communicate through TCP/IP is open. Either that or configure your PC An\
ywhere to try to use the telnet port (believe it's 23).
        \_ Dunno about PCA, but certainly back orifice can let you change the
           ports it uses.  Make it run over telnet port and you'll be fine.
1999/10/14-17 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16711 Activity:nil
10/14   Re: free http proxy server.  Where can I find squid?  I couldn't find
        it on the gnu ftp sites or on  Thanks.
        \_ /usr/ports/net(?)/squid.
1999/10/14-17 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16709 Activity:nil
10/14   Free/shareware NFS client or server available for NT4?  Searched but
        only found somewhat pricey commercial overkill products.  I just want
        to get my unix and NT machines talking both directions without using
        smbclient on the unix side.  Thanks.
        \_ how about using samba and doing serving from the unix side and
           native smb mounts on the NT side?
           \_ what if I want to give users access to their data stored on
              an NFS mountable drive when they are working at an NT?
              \_ Make the nfs mountable drive also samba mountable.  SMB is
                 'nfs for windows' since microsoft always needs to have their
                 'own standard'.
           \_ [grr at whoever deleted my reply] I've got samba running but
              it's painfully slow for some reason.  I've used samba many
              times before but never had this problem.  Also, I'm not running
              Linux.  I don't have native smbfs support.
              \_ I recall reading something once about tuning problems
                 many people have when they don't turn off one of the link
                 following options.  Get the docs directory that comes with
                 the source and poke through that, there is a pretty good
                 fine-tuning section.  Also, install SWAT, its online help
                 for the various parameters is pretty good.  And sign your
                 name.  -John
        \_ The two products we use are Samba, which we've found to have
           excellent performance (esp with new 2.0 version), and Sharity
  Samba lets you
           see NFS mounted file systems on NT machines, and Sharity lets
           you see SMB mounted (NT) file systems on Unix machines. Good luck.
           \_ There is also sharity light (free), which is nice for
              occasional use, but doesn't do encrypted passwords and can
              fall down when left alone for a long time.  Forget url,
              look in FreeBSD ports collection.  -John
           \_ Sharity.  Perfect.  Exactly what I was looking for.  Thanks!
1999/10/14-17 [Computer/SW/Unix/WindowManager, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16707 Activity:moderate
10/13   hola, is there s "standard" unix untility that will split a file
        into n "equal" size pieces ... like split but it take # subfiles
        instead of #lines/subfile. I realize this is easy to write but that
        isnt the question. --psb
        \_ You want a split that split split multiple files to the same length?
        \_ no, something like pslit 10 file.  split file into 10 pieces.
        \_ You want a split that splits multiple files to the same length?
        \_ no, something like split 10 file.  split file into 10 pieces.
        \_ This works.  It isn't pretty but you didn't pay for pretty:

% split -l `perl -e 'while (<>) { $count++; }; $count = int($count /10)+1 ;print\
            \_ You have demonstrated some perl fu while proving your lack of
               English fu
                        \-ok so we all agree there is no standard unix utility
                        to do this, right? --psb
                \_ Hey, it does what he said he wanted.  It makes 10 equal
                   sized split files.  Where did my English fu lack?  In not
                   making the '10' an optional parameter?  I'm not paid enough
                   for that part.  I even tested it which is more than can be
                   said for half the code I write for my job.
                   \_ Ponder this question, then: do you have a public
                      file that lists your passwords?
                        \_ Of course not.  It's a security risk beyond common
                           stupidity.  What's that have to do with splitting
                           an input file?  Oh Great Master!  Please grant a
                           tiny speck of enlightenment and knowledge to this
                           undeserving student!  You'd be happy if instead of
                           hard coding the '10' it was $ARGV[0] and $ARGV[1]
                           for the file name?  I'm still not getting it.
1999/10/13-14 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16699 Activity:nil
10/13   Using purely free solutions, is MacNFS + Samba on a UNIX server
        the best way to share files on a heterogenous network?
        \_ I use netatalk+asun patches (free), which supports mac's afs
            over tcp, so you dont' have to install nfs clients on your
              macs, and you dont' have to run appletalk on your network.
               Works great for me.
1999/10/13-14 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16698 Activity:low
10/13   Anybody know of a free proxy server out there?  I just need something
        very very simple no fancy features. Thanks.
        \_ natd. much more transparent than using a proxy server.
        \_ wingate or winroute.
        \_ What type of Proxy?  HTTP only?  If so, Squid, Apache, & CERN
                (listed in order of proxy-studliness - don't bother with CERN
                 anymore - apache's overkill for just a proxy, squid kicks ass)
          \_ squid kicks its own ass. The only reason it stays up
             is because the start script is basically
             '  while true; do  squid ; done'
                \_ is Squid GNU software?  I couldn't find it on the gnu sites.
                    where can I find it?  Thanks.

        Password Thief Ransacks AOL
       3:00 a.m. Password-stealing emails slip into AOL accounts and make off
       with user passwords by the thousands, according to the email service
       used to launch the attacks. Critics says it's the latest in a pattern
       of neglect by AOL. By Chris Oakes.
       \_ Thank you Wired News!
       \_ "Password-stealing emails"?  Is this social engineering, or some
        \_ Standard "click on idiot.exe" in html email to send your password
           to random account bullshit.  The only fault AOL has is having a
           browser available to it's customers that allows them to run an
           .EXE from a hyper link.
1999/10/12-14 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16694 Activity:moderate
10/12   How do I make less clear the screen and return to the prompt after
        it exits?
        \_ alias less 'less \!* && clear'
           \_ I meant bring you back to the old prompt.
           \_ I meant bring you back to the old prompt, as if I never did
              the less.  I think it has something to do with your terminal
              setttings.  I'm using an xterm by the way
              \_ alias less 'xterm -e less \!*'
        \_ man xterm and search for the titeInhibit resource string
1999/10/11-13 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16692 Activity:high
10/11   Does anyone know the secret algorithm behind It is
        quite good. I'm very impressed. I want to know HOW they did it.
        \_ a bunch of shell scripts -- awk, sed, grep, and pipe.
        \_ My understanding is it's a popularity based results engine.  The
           more people who choose a particular result for a particular query
           the  higher that result will be displayed for similar future
           queries.  I don't work at google but we did a similar thing at the
           search engine company I did work for.
           \-maybe PCI. there are a lot of ways to do this kind of thing.
            there are linear algebra approaches and statistical/baysian
            approaches, depending on problem size and nature of prob. --psb
           \_ I've read a couple of articles that have mentioned it, which
              said that they base their scoring on how many other pages
              link to a particular page, rather than number of times it's
              chosen on their site.
              seems to support this.  -niloc
        \_ number of links to a page determine importance. they sort according
           to relevance and important. i know what i'm talking about. -ali
            \_ relevance is only determined by what people actually choose
              out of the links returned from the search. the second factor
              is accuracy, which is the "drift" from relevance. accuracy is
              the perennial problem, since almost all search engines start
              suffering around 5 to 10% of the first links offered.
              \_ Ali is correct.  The stanford prof of the grad students who
                 developed google comercially came to Soda a few weeks ago
                 and said exactly that - it's click throughs and links to
                 that determine ranking -jones
            \_ It has to be more complex than this or Yahoo would show
               up as the #1 hit for every query.  #2 would be Microsoft.
               They *must* take into account the query itself (seems
               obvious, no?) in some way before doing a most-linked sort
               on the results.  So, no, I don't think you know what you're
               talking about.  Are there any CSUA'ers on their architecture
               design, engineering or database staff?  If so, please come
               forward.  Ali having had coffee with someone's secretary at
                                        \_ was this after the mindblasting sex?
               google doesn't impress.
               \_ Eat your words, blasphemer!  The only person I trust more
                  than ali is bh.
        \_ I think they use a variant of the clusterfuck algorithm.
        \_ Algorithm, Heuristic, BAH! They don't interest me and are trolls.
           \_ You are a faggoty bitch.
1999/10/10-11 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16685 Activity:kinda low
10/10   Does anyone happen to know of a way *in windoze 95* to run a
        program with a list of arguments > 1024 chars long?  I'm trying
        to link, and it's chopping off the line in the bat file at this
        length.  Thanks.
        \_ Why are you trying to do anything beyond hello.c on a win95 box?
           You do understand that it's just a dos box with a gui on it?  You're
           lucky M$ upped a line length to 1024.  Earlier versions had 128.
           \_ There is no good reason for the shell to look at only the first
           32 characters after #! in UNIX. -- ilyas
        \_ Isn't there some funky thing you can do with an @FOO.TXT
           argument which takes the rest of the arguments from a file?
           I don't know that it's standard, but I've seen a lot of
           programs that supported something like that.
           Barring that, if you just have a lot of object files,
           couldn't you just do the windoze equivalent of
                ld -x -r -o onehalf.o <half my object files>
                ld -x -r -o otherhalf.o <my other object files>
                gcc -o myprog  onehalf.o otherhalf.o -lfoo -lbar etc.?
1999/10/10-13 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16684 Activity:high
10/10   Stupid Linux question:  I just installed linux on my computer
        and I try to do some *SIMPLE* programming (i.e. 15 line code).
        Using the makefile I stolen from CS60b, I changed it, and
        compiled it fine.  But when I try to execute the compiled
        code myProg, it said "Command not found."
        Is this even an linux question? or I used wrong g++ options?
        because I don't see any .o files split out.
        Thanks in advance                       -kngharv
        \_ maybe because . isn't in your environment path. modify your .cshrc
           \_ yeah I'd echo $PATH and see if . is in there.  If not
              PATH=.:$PATH.  You're mostly likely running sh (echo $SHELL)
              also.  ohmigod i feel like wssg
        \_ what makes you so sure it 'compiled it fine' ?  Lack of .o files
                        \_ in that you're giving stupid and dangerous advice?
                \_ Everyone on soda should do this, then cd /tmp and run ls
                   \_ well that was exciting
                \_ Dummyhead.  If you must have a . in your path, it goes at
                   the end.  Sheesh!
                \_ I read somewhere it's a security issue to have . in your
                   path. Why is that? Oh well, I have it in my path anyway.
                   \_ Anyone can write an evil program and name it /tmp/mroe.
                      Then, if you cd /tmp and mistype "more", you'll end up
                      running their evil program.  It's even worse if you
                      have . at the beginning of your path -- then the evil
                      program could be named "more" and you don't even have
        \_ Stupid linux user doesn't have or doesn't know what . in the
           path means.
                      to make a typo!

                      The right thing to do is to leave . out of your path
                      entirely; it's easy to type ./program when you want to
                      run a program from the current directory.  This also
                      saves you from silly mistakes when you (say) write a
                      program called "test"; if you have . at the end of your
                      path, it'll run /bin/test instead of your program, but
                      if you type ./test it'll work as you expect.
        \_ what makes you so sure make 'compiled it fine' ?  Lack of .o files
           is a good sign that it did not.
        \_ Shouldn't this be referred to as a 'stupid linux user question',
           since its clearly not linux being stupid here.
           \_ The problem is not linux specific.  It is specific to the
              stupidity of the user who obviously has not bothered to divine
              the meaning of the error message "Command not found."  That
              this guy is talking about cs_60_b should be a telling statement.
                \_ telling what?  That he's forgotten UNIX in the 4+ years it
                   must have been since he took the class?
                \_ Yeah, back in the day when we ate potstickers and downed
                   bad vodka with BH whiling away the hours adding more and
                   more kool features to our scheme adventure game on the
                   vax 11/780.  If only I'd learned mips/java/oops, I'd have
                   skills that will be good forever instead of outdated in
                   6 months like everyone who came before me.
1999/10/4-5 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc, Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16660 Activity:high
10/4    does anyone know how to script the password for rsync over ssh?
        \_ Don't.  Instead use RSA rhosts, that is: on the target machine
           (the one you'll be sshing _to_), put the hostname and username
           you'll be sshing from into the file ~/.shosts (man rhosts for
           format).  Then make sure you ssh at least once from the target
           machine and the target account _back_ to the machine you'll be
           normally running rsync on to get its host key in place.  Then
           your script won't need to type a password, but it's much much
           more secure than a real .rhosts file.  Yadda yadda.. security
           risk since you don't need to type a password as that user yadda
           yadda.  --dbushong
           \_ huh? No, use the authorized_keys file, to avoid
              \_  This is the approach I've used.  --PeterM
1999/10/4-5 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16657 Activity:very high
10/4    Do "dir *1.*" and "dir *2.*" mean anything special in NT Command
        Prompt?  I tried them and the output contain some filenames that
        don't even contain '1' or '2'.  Thanks.
        \_ NT doesn't do full regexp's on the command line the way unix does.
           Try 4dos/4nt/4os/4whatever from if you want that.
           \_ This is not the problem.  And unix (sic) doesn't do full
              regexp's (sic) on the command line (sic) either.  --pld
                \_ Idiot.  There isn't a correct spelling for "regexp".  It's
                   not a real word.  "unix" is the correct spelling for the
                   word unless you're talking about AT&T UNIX(TM) which we're
                   not and the word "line" was correctly spelled.  And no shit
                   unix doesn't do full regexp's on the command line but it
                   does do *1.* which is all the person cared about.  You're a
                   fucking pedantic twink and you added zero content.
                   \_ Here's your content: (sic) doesn't mean "misspelled".
                      I'd have deleted the answer for being incorrect and
                      misleading, but some twink like you would have re-added
                      it.  See below for a correct response.  --pld
                      \_ Worse than being stupid is being stupid and thinking
                         you're right.  "sic" means "spelling incorrect".  You
                         are beyond stupid.  The answer lies in the shell being
                         unable to do what s/he wants. can do that.
                         Saying, "win95 has long file names!!!" is worthless.
                         How'd you sneak into Cal?  Or have standards really
                         dropped so low that they now socially promote morons
                         straight into what used to be top notch universities?
                         \_ Worse than that is adamantly promoting
                            error.  "sic" does *not* mean "spelling
                            incorrect"--it is from latin, and means
                            "thus".  It is typically used when quoting
                            text to roughly mean "I'm quoting this guy
                            exactly, so please don't tell me I've made a
                            mistake--it was his mistake."  In this case,
                            I assume it was used because "Unix" is
                            usually capitalized (and is a trademark of
                            AT&T, right?).  Furthermore, you usually
                                \_ Unix hasn't been a trademark of AT&T for
                                   about a decade, since they spun off USL,
                                   which they later sold to Novell, who gave
                                   the trademark to X/Open (now part of The
                                   Open Group) to use with their standards.
                                   Any OS meeting the X/Open requirements can
                                   now call itself "Unix (TM)" (or a more
                                   specific term like "Unix95",
                                   "Unix98 Desktop", "Unix98 Server").
                            don't put apostrophe-s at the end of a word
                            to make it plural (though it is acceptable
                            usage for acronymns, etc. so is probably
                            okay for "regexp").
                            \_ No, no, no.  When you're quoting another and
                               you're quoting *their* mincorrectly spelled
                               text, you use "sic" to state that you're aware
                               the spelling is incorrect and you're just
                               quoting it that way.  "thus"?  No.  That makes
                               no sense.  It's a journalism thing in modern
                               English.  No matter what the original latin
                               \_ You are correct in stating correct usage for
                               [sic] but the etimology of the word is indeed
                               Latin. -- ilyas
                                \_ I'm not denying a latin origin.  I'm saying
                                   it doesn't matter.  Looking in one's
                                   Latin 10 Latin->English dictionary won't
                                   yield the correct modern/journalism usage.
                                   That's all.
                               \_ etimology[sic]. You mean etymology. --dim
                        \- 1. sic is indeed latin. reasonable translations are
          "thus" or "so, but the most natural obviously depends on the context.
          2. i will make a wager with anyone who claims it only means "a mis-
          spelling inthe original". it can be used as a "disclaimer" about
          spelling errors, grammatical errors, factual errors...whatever. this
          is a pretty funny "classic soda" thread. sic vos non vobis, --psb
        \_ remember Win95 long filenames kluge?  Therein lies your answer.
           \_ Sorry, I don't know about that in Win95 either.  Can you please
              elaborate?  Thanks.
              \_ Long filenames show up in dos 8.3 format as something
                 like "filena~1.txt" -- that is, filenames are
                 truncated, with a "~" char and a number to
                 disambiguate.  Hence any file with more than 8 chars
                 before the extension or more than one dot will end in
                 "~#".  So the pattern above can match *a lot* of files.
                 \_ Unless you grab one of the command line replacements
                    from which handles this as you'd expect with
                    out using the odd 8.3 LFN kludge as you'd not expect.
1999/10/4-5 [Reference/Celebration, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16656 Activity:high
        \_ Alien hobag biotch?  Is this an inside joke?
           \_ No.  She really is an alien hobag biotch.  --pld
                \_ To wit:
                soda> finger -mp alien
                Login: alien                   Name: Sandra Alien Hobag Biotch
                Directory: /home/digital/alien Shell: /usr/local/bin/tcsh
                HTH. HAND.
1999/9/28 [Computer/SW/Apps, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16609 Activity:nil
9/27    Is there any sort of "acroread" that will display a pdf file on a
        tty terminal?
        \_ ghostscript can read PDF's - maybe it has a crude pdf2ascii like
          the ps2ascii
          \_ why not just pipe it through a pdf2ps | ps2ascii
1999/9/26-28 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/WWW/Server, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16602 Activity:nil
9/26    I have followed all the instructions in "INSTALL.REDHAT"  to
        install php3 on my linux box.  However, when i run a "httpd -l" it
        does not display mod_php.c.  Can anyone tell me or point me to
        docs which tell me how to find and install the correct binary?
        Thanks.  -crebbs
        \_ Was it a dynamic module?  I don't have the "INSTALL.REDHAT" file
           you're talking about (I don't use Linux for web service) so I
           have NFC what sorts of steps you went through.  If this is in
           fact a shared module, then did you activate it?  The solution
           to your problem isn't straightforward with the information you've
           provided.  --sowings
        \_ Fdisk, reinstall.  Run an operating system you're capable of
           dealing with.
1999/9/22-24 [Computer/SW/Apps/Media, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16564 Activity:high
9/21    What is a journaling file system (e.g. BeOS?) ?
        \_ I work on one (VxFS), if you want you can mail me. --aaron
        \_ If you know anything about databases, it's just a transaction log.
           (inodes, directory structures, etc.).
           Some versions log all changes to all blocks on disks, others just
           to the filesystem structure (inodes, directory structures, etc.).
           Either way, no more fsck'ing.
                \_ But isn't that a Log file system? Whats the diff
                   between a journaling FS and a Log FS?
                        \_ Jargon.
                        \_ Different companies, different products,
                                same concept.
                   \_ A journalling file system *contains* a log that it can
                      use (like databases) to recover after crashes.  A log-
                      structured file system *is* a log -- it doesn't actually
                      store your files anywhere except the log.  This means
                      read performance is often significantly worse than with
                      an ordinary filesystem.

                      Journalling file systems are in wide commercial use;
                      log-structured file systems are a (dead, AFAIK) research
                      \_ log-structured file systems are useful for media like
                         flash memory which are have high erase/overwrite
1999/9/18-21 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16547 Activity:kinda low 77%like:16544
9/16    How do I pipe to an rsh? Say I want to do
        sort file | rsh machine -l user cat > file.sort
        \_ Exactly like that.  If it doesn't work for you, what error
           message do you get?
        \_ Wanna get rid of 20 lbs of ugly fat real fast?  Go in for a
        \_ You might want to make sure you can rsh commands first.  I generally
        \_ Use ssh instead of rsh.
           test with something llightweight like 'rsh remotemachine -l
           remoteuser whoami' first.  -ERic
           \_ so your answer is?  Just do plain exercise and hope that the
              fat around your abs goes away?
        \_ s/rsh/ssh/g
            Assuming you have rsh set up properly do something like
            sort file | rsh machine -l user "cat > file.sort"
            sort file | rsh machine -l user dd of=file.sort
1999/9/18 [Computer/Theory, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16544 Activity:nil 77%like:16547
9/16    How do I pipe to an rsh? I want to do something like
        sort file | rsh foo -l user cat >> bar ?
1999/9/15-17 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16526 Activity:moderate
09/15   how would u transfer email addresses from an access database to a
        majordomo listserver every day? - turin (ie: ftp? or something else
        kewl i am missing?)
        \_ how do you automatically upload a file without being prompted
          with username and password via ftp?
          \_ .netrc . I wouldn't recommend it, though. --dim
           \_ pirate. way to go!!
                        \_ The Man is watching.
        \_ scp.
1999/9/9-10 [Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:16486 Activity:moderate
9/8     Looking for a job at an internet startup.
        \_ Look at all those obsolete OS'es - Domain/OS, AIX 3, Ultrix.
           This guy must be ancient.
        \_ OK, let's stop this! At my job, C/C++ is considered outdated by java
           \_ Can you read?  He graduated in 95.  That means he's about 25 or
              26.  If you had clue, you'd know those aren't obsolete OS's.
              They're older unix variants which are 98% the same as any unix
              you'll use today.  Idiot.  -not jules
                \_ I graduated in 99, and I'm 26.  Don't assume too much.
                   (And Domain/OS is definetly nowhere near 98% the same
                    as any other OS - it's a world all it's own.) -alan-
                   \_ Not my fault you took so long.  D/OS is still a unix
                      variant.  It's 98% like every other unix.  What?  You
                      think it's so radically different from other unixes
                      that it deserves it's own category?  Get real.  Unix is
                      as unix does.
                        \_ Do you have any experience with Domain OS?
                           It's not UNIX.  It's an OS based on Multics,
                           written in Pascal with a mostly-UNIX-compatible
                           layer on top.   Most of the OS is very non-UNIX.
                           -alan- (Domain/OS user since 1990 and still have
                           an Apollo workstation at home)
                           \_ Yup.  It's not unix in the same way linux isn't
                              unix.  Thanks for the history lesson.
                                \_ Linux is much closer to Unix than Domain/OS.
                                   Domain has a completely different set of
                                   commands and APIs, even it's GUI is nothing
                                   like X Windows.
                                   \_ X != unix.  So you're trying to claim
                                      that D/OS isn't a unix because it's got
                                      a few differences from [your unix here]?
                                      That's silly.  It's just a unix variant.
                                      It isn't unique.  It isn't MacOS.  It
                                      isn't Windows.  It isn't vms/cms/*ms.
                                      It's just a unix variant.  Get over it.
                I'm beginning to wonder whether the speaker _/
                has ever used DOMAIN/OS.
                \_ The speaker has definitely never used anything in /com.
                   People should get clued before arguing with alanc.
                                         is not UNIX.  By the way, CMS is not
                   -not alan-
                                      \_ Did you actually read alan's comment
                                         above?  He said D/OS is a Multics
                                         variant, not a UNIX variant.  Multics
                                         is not UNIX.
                                         \_ He can say anything he wants. D/OS
                                            is a unix variant.  He can say
                                            anything he wants about anything.
                                            His saying so doesn't make it true.
                                                \_ Join the MNU Software
                                                Foundation Today!
                                                say "Manure"
                                                \- say "laser"
                                                Go join OCF and you
                                         can learn about D/OS on their Apollo
                                         machines.  By the way, CMS is not
                                                \_ Not any more.  OCF got rid
                                                   of all the Apollos.
                                         an OS.  It's a shell on top of VM
                                         which is an OS.  -- yuen (VM/CMS user)
                                  \_ It's not unix in the same way NT is not
                                        UNIX.  Both can be made to act mostly
                                        like UNIX, but are vastly different
                                        \_ D/OS = unix.  NT != unix.  Thanks
                                           for caring.
                                           \_ NT with cygwin is actually a
                                              useable UNIX variant.
                                DomainOS/Aegis was Apollo OS that was given
                                a Unix-Like wrapper.
                                \_ If it walks like a duck and talks like a
                \_ Don't be so quick to flame - the original post wasn't
                   based on ignorance, just on giving julian a hard time.
                   \_ Even worse.
1999/9/7 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16479 Activity:nil
9/7     The politburo should be publically flogged for failing to recognize
        June 20, 1999 as the perfect excuse for a " 10th
        Anniversary Beer Bash/BBQ"
        \_ feh.  if only such a date were in the logs books.
                \_ It's in one of them and on the web page.  -alanc-
1999/9/3 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16456 Activity:high
9/2     Root decided to turn off ~lwall/bin/ without notice.
        E-mail root and let them know that you are opposed to this change!
        \_ it's a great idea.  shut up, nickkral  -tom
1999/9/1 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16444 Activity:nil
8/30    Thanks to the allknowing motd re:namebased virtual hosting.
        Next question (: i can no longer telnet to port 25 on my linux
        (and thus mail to/from any other machine no longer works) I
        can still send between accounts on the same machine, but that
        is all.  The only think i can think might have caused it is the
        additon of ipfwadm -F -p masq (for netword address translation).
        Any ideas?
        \_ that just looks bad.  there must be a -S in there
           somewhere.  i don't know what security risks there are in that.
           can you telnet into any other service you're running?  maybe
           you just don't have sendmail running. "/etc/rc.d/init.d/sendmail
           status" or "psu -axu | grep sendmail". i would strongly
           discourage running any mta however since they are security
           hazards to begin with.  if you do you should run qmail instead.
                \_ run qmail only if you don't mind not being able use
                   .forward files and basically every other thing you're
                   used to using with mail.
        \_ If you can telnet port 25 on 'localhost' but not from outside
           its a firewall rule problem. If you can't even hit it from localhost
           are you not running a  'sendmail -bd' ?
        \_ Yeah.  Idea: do your own testing before wasting motd time.  Like gee
           did you try turning off NAT and then seeing if telnet works?
1999/8/31 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16436 Activity:high
8/30    Sun guru needed for basic installs, NFS/NIS and X setup on
        some Ultras. Mail sly for info.
        \_ dont need a sun "guru" for that.  why not just send the details
           to jobs@csua or something
           \_ I think the idea is they don't want some clueless fuckwit to use
              them as a paid training opportunity.
              \_ dont want to think they want to hire someone for fuckwit
                 wages either ....
1999/8/28 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16415 Activity:nil
8/27    Can I use ssh port forwarding to FTP to soda?
        What port do I need connect to at soda?
        \_ Yes, but you'll still need to login using S/Key
           \_ if you do it right, you do not need s/key
               \_How do I do it Right?
1999/8/21-24 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16366 Activity:moderate
8/21    Can Sun's Disk Suite mirror the root filesystem?  I know that
        Veritas Volume Manager can...
                \_ yes.. there's docs explaining exactly how to do it -shac
                  \_ Any pointers to where in the docs this is?  the
                     only thing that I was able to find said
                     specifically that metadisks could NOT be used on
                     /, /var, /usr, or any other partition that was
                     used to boot the system.  The docs also said that
                     mirrors were comprised of metadisks.... Thanks
                     for any help.
                        \-if you say so ... look in the ODS package area
                [in /usr/opt,probably] and the CD for docs. --psb
                /dev/md/dsk/d4        771110  124853  592280    18%    /
                /dev/md/dsk/d3       2108986  623245 1422472    31%    /usr
                /dev/md/dsk/d2       1603526  270107 1285314    18%    /var
                \_ You sure you're not looking in old docs?  Older versions
                   of disksuite couldn't mirror /, /usr, etc. but that
                   restriction was lifted around Disksuite 3.0 or 4.0
                   (Solaris 2.4/2.5 timeframe)
                        \-you know mirroring the boot disks might not be a good
                        idea if you really are not reasonably familiar with
                        disksuite. --psb
                                \_ Well, I'm trying to BECOME familiar
                                   with it, so that I can effectively
                                   use it.  That's why I'm looking for
                                   the docs.
                                   \_ --jon
                        \_ even when set up correctly, it can have some
                           nasty side effects.  I had that set up once
                           and in a weird situation, i had filesystem
                           corruption on one disk.  this was mirrored
                           on the second disk.  barring that, it also
                           saved my ass when a disk died and I had  a
                           4 day cpu job running.    -jon
1999/8/21-24 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16365 Activity:low
8/19    If you have to ask questions about how to accomplish things in
        sed/awk/shell, you should be doing it in perl.
        \_ perl.
                \_ perl.
        \_ BIKE!
                \_ RIDE PERL!  USE BIKE!
1999/8/19-21 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16346 Activity:high
8/19    Shell script gurus please help.  I need to strip the first 10 lines
        and the last 3 lines off a whole bunch of files.  Is there an easy
        way to use sed to do this?  Thanks.
        \_ Sounds like a trivial job for head and tail.
           \_ It is: cat foo | tail -n +10 | tail -r | tail +4 | tail -r
           \_ Not completely trivial.  You'd need a wc in there somewhere.
              head needs a +<number> functionality.
              \_ Suppose you also have GNU tac:
                        head +10 | tac | head +3 | tac
              \_ Why the wc? head -n 10, tail -3? --dim
                 should work.  -- schoen
        \_ perl.
                \-there is a fairly evil way to do it in sed [first 10 lines
        is easy] last 3 is somewhat evil. not a good idea to do in sed unless
        like at least a 3rd level sed user. if you explain better what you
                \_ I still need 23 exp to make 3rd level.
        want i can probably five you the incantation ... do you want to SEE
        the first 10 and last 3 or do you want to delete them and write the
        file back with the first 10 gone and the bottom 3 gone. also, if you
        are operating on a bunch of files, the sed line count will continue
        across files ... so you have to operate on them one at a time.
        using tac is even more begging the question than saying "ues perl".
        using head/tail is cheeseball, just like "cut" is cheeseball [i use
        cut a lot but i at least know it is cheeseball.]. this is actually
        probably something you want to do inperl because writing the "error
        checks" [what if it is a 5 line file] is simpler in pl. --psb, 18th
        level sed mage.
        \_ sed, yucky.  awk, yucky.  perl, good.
                                        \-Don't be too proud of this
        technological terror you've compiled. The abilities of perl are
        insignificant next to the power of Emacs. --parth vader      43200   A
                \_ Oh yeah?  Let's see you grab the first 10 and last 3 lines
                   of a list of files in emacs from the command line.
                \_ I need the files without the first 10 lines and the
                   last 3 lines.  BTW, "head +3" doesn't work. head does
                   NOT take "+" parameters.  Thanks a lot mighty psb.
                   \_ perl.
1999/8/19-21 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16343 Activity:low
8/19    Shell quoting question.  How do I combine shell variable expansion
        with regulr expression for $ with sed or awk?  Like if i want to
        append a string to the end of every line in a file?
        set a = fubar, sed 's/$/$a/'  ???
        If I pick single quotes the $a does not expand.  If I pick double
        quotes, then the $ for the regular expression gives me an error.
        \_ sed -e "s/\$/${a}/"  would be one way
               \- i dont think that will work udner tcsh. anyone try it?
           or ...
                \_ or use perl, this is exactly why it's better.
                   \_ Exactly.  Beat me to it.
                aside from understandign shell quoting there are some special
                tricks for awk. i dont remember if they work for sed. rather
                than take up space here see the shell faq. --psb
           or  -e s/'$'/"${a}/"
        \_ perl.
1999/8/19 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16342 Activity:nil
8/19    Anyone else get into the asheron call beta?  Is it worth a 57 meg
        ftp to try it out? Did it break your computer?
1999/8/19 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16340 Activity:nil
8/19    What port is the s/key server on? If I telnet directly to soda,
        it doesn't give me a "challenge" code. Which port do I telnet to?
        \_ Need to run initkey. The instruction on the soda web is
           not very newbie friendly. Nothing on soda is.
1999/8/18 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16333 Activity:nil
8/18    How to run finger so that it launches a finger at a second machine
        to finger some user at a third machine?
        \_ finger foo@bar@baz
1999/8/13-14 [Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/SW] UID:16306 Activity:nil
8/12    Web Wackos of the Week Winner:
        \_ Web Sickos of the Week:  Tie between and
                                                \_ www.csua/~aspolito
1999/8/11 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris, Computer/SW/SpamAssassin, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16287 Activity:high
8/10    Anyone know where slocal on EECS instructional is located (or procmail)?
        \_ Anyone who reads the help docs on www-inst.eecs or in /usr/pub does.
           \_ Tried that. /usr/pub/ said to look at man pages and
              man pages say slocal is located in /usr/lib/mh which it's not.
                \_ pasteur is a solaris machine, read the man pages on one
                \_ You don't need a path for your .forward - it will find it
                   on it's list of allowed binaries and run from that path.
                   \_ No, that just gives you:
                         ----- Transcript of session follows -----
                         sh: .slocal: not found
                         554 | slocal... unknown mailer error 1
                        \_ Did you remember the quotes?
                           \_ yup, tried that too.
        \_ Incidentally, does anyone find it weird that torus.cs and
           pasteur.eecs both have MX records pointing to each other?
                \_ Not anyone who understands what the MX records mean
                   (think failover and redundancy)
1999/8/8 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16269 Activity:very high
8/8     How do I get whois info on .to addresses?  unix command line is
        preferred.  Thanks in advance!
        \_ rwhois (referral whois) might help; do a websearch for it
        \_ What country is .to? use the -a, d, p, or r switch to specify
           \_ Tonga.  The switches didn't come up with things that resolved
              to various .to names.  You can telnet to and nslookup
              on but can't whois it with any of the switches as far
              as I can figure.
              \_ Tonga?  Where the hell is that?
1999/8/6 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16264 Activity:high
8/6     After <DEAD><DEAD> has gone down 3 times <DEAD><DEAD>
        has yet to do so nor has it been cracked.  For any of you intrested,
        the root password is linuxppc. [not any more it aint]
        Give it a shot and win a free computer.
        \_ lemme guess. set up by the same schmuck that put up a target
           at defcon, running OFF A CDROM DRIVE.
           If I wasn't too busy,I'm tempted to nail the damn thing myself.
           But then again, where the hell can I get a "normal" linuxppc
           account to compile stuff?
           \_ on your mac
              \_ Exactly.  How many LinuxPPC users out there?  Also, I
                 was under the impression that the PPC code was not open
                 source.  Is that correct?
                        \_ It can't include Linux kernel sources if it's
                                not "open source" (GPL'ed)
        \_ Gee, my computer might go down too if STRUCK BY LIGHTNING.
           \_ Somebody did a traceroute and found that all of the routes
              up until the machine was still operational.  Microsoft
              claimed that the router failed.  It's summer, the weather's
1999/8/4 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16247 Activity:nil
8/3     For those who thought Unix was written to provide an environment for C
        & C++, a history lesson from the creators:
1999/8/1-2 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16219 Activity:very high
        IS&T once again tries to catch up to what student groups have provided
        for the last 10 years, and only manages to see part of the picture.
        (Last time, they decided all students needed was e-mail and we got
         UCLink.  Just imagine how screwed up this new file server will be.)
         \_ soda [21] wc -l /etc/passwd
               2501 /etc/passwd
            Think of how disasterous that would be to provide 30,000
            traditional style login acounts on a single computer (not to
            mention how expensive the hard disk space would be). The fact
            is that most majors don't require a unix shell account but it
            would be nice for the common Berkeley student to have some unix
            experience.  Unfortunately costs and needs don't always coincide.
                \_  Utterly lame!  If i'm making $20+/hr being a paralegal
                    or a doctor I don't have the time or the inclination to
                    fiddle around with unix man pages.  I am more productive
                    using 1. an interface I'm used to (since I'm not a
                    programmer what do I care about software development) and
                    2. an interface that supports applications ALL MY
                    COLLEGUES IN _MY_ (not YOUR) FIELD USE.  I'd rather spend
                    my time ski-ing or outdoors than fiddling around with
                    .conf files.
                    \_ That's funny.  I have time to do my regular school
                       work, fiddle with .conf files, read the fucking man
                       pages, and go skiing.  And unix is VERY useful for
                       people not in the CS major.  Go ask the people at
                       LBL what they use for physics simulations.
                       \_ dear God, is the bigotry so deep within you that you
                          fail to see the point?  The point is that I AM NOT
                          YOU.  I DO NOT WANT TO BE LIKE YOU.  What if i
                          said I was a pre med student who spend time commuting
                          to various hospitals in the area?  That's more than
                          just regular school work.  Tell me, is unix helpful
                          in my anatomy class?  Is it useful for LabView?
                          is it useful in my philosophy class?  Is it useful
                          when I call my girlfriend up and see what time she'd
                          be ready to go see the opera?
                          Climb out of your cubicle, man.
                        \_ idiocy deleted.
                        \_ fascist nazi.  What gives you the right to delete
                           people's opinions at your whim?  What's next after
                           your ssh tactics?  rm -rf people you don't like?
                    my time with my friends or girlfriend than fiddling around
                    with .conf files. - Publius
                   \_ uh, so why do you care if people who are *not* idiots
                      have Unix shell access?  You can diddle around with
                      Netscape all you want, regardless.  -tom
                    \_ It's about the oppurtunity to do what you want.
                \_ Why use a single computer?  The OCF provided 12,000+ login
                        accounts 5 years ago on a cluster of 1989-era machines
                        (Motorola 68030 & 040 based apollos).  As for disk
                        space, that's what IS&T is proposing to do.
                \_ providing shell access to uclink4, for example, would
                   lower CPU usage (POP is very expensive) and support costs.
                   The support cost argument is bullshit; if you look at
                   the total cost picture, having shell access is much
                   cheaper.  What IST means when they say "it costs less"
                   is "it costs US less". -tom
                   \_ IS&T has a history of ignoring reality, tom.   you
                      should know that.
                   \_ Support costs go up when idiots start wanting to use
                \_ I would say, rather, that they ignore campus concerns in
                   favor of doing things which are convenient for them.  -tom
        \_ They should buy a NetApp.
           \_ NetApp's suck. EMC, dude.
        \_ lets take this to http://ucb.computing.announce (ucb.computing.discussion
           would be better but there is no such group ... yet) --jon
           \_ hence, mail root@agate
              \_ hence the "... yet" --jon
           \_ Okay, now lets take this to http://ucb.computing.discussion --jon
1999/7/22-23 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16184 Activity:nil
7/22    How do you log off those people how are still using a telnet session
        since the pre-ssh enforcement period?
        \_ The ban is on cleartext passwords.  Using telnet is fine.
1999/7/19 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16156 Activity:high
7/19    Anyone know how to FTP through this goddamn SSH?
        \_ easy!  ssh to soda.  run keyinit and key with the appropriate
           arguments to generate a list of keys for use with s/key.
           when you try to ftp into soda next time, it will ask you
           for a key correspongind
           for a key corresponding to the appropriate sequence number,
           enter it, and you're in.
        \_ thanks for the info but i'm still confuzed.  i did keyinit
           and obtained a sequence of 4 letter (all caps) words.
            when I cuteFTP in, what password do i use?  secred word or Unix
        password or the 4 cap letter words?  i want to be able to upload
        stuff from my win 95 PC to my soda account.
1999/7/18 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16154 Activity:nil
7/17    I just found out about this after doing some research on my own.
        Several hours after went down Microsoft released a
        quite lengthy report attributing the failure to Sun Microsystem's
        stupidity claiming things like "system boards are not hot-swapable
        under Suns".  But doing a telnet into ebay I found this:

        # telnet http
        Connected to
        Escape character is '^]'.
        HEAD / HTTP/1.0

        HTTP/1.0 200 OK
        Server: Microsoft-IIS/3.0
        Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 02:55:54 GMT
        Content-Type: text/html
        Accept-Ranges: bytes
        Last-Modified: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 02:45:02 GMT
        Content-Length: 15585

        Connection closed by foreign host.

        does anyone find it odd that Microsoft is criticizing ebay who is
        running their own web server?
1999/7/17 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16150 Activity:insanely high
17/07   Can a general meeting overturn the ssh only decision? If
        yes, it should be put up for vote next time. Concerning
        ftp, a nice solution is to allow people to cp files somewhere
        into anon ftp area. Can I do it now? Yes, I am aware that
        I could put files under my public_html -muchandr
        \_ The constitution is linked from the CSUA web page.  Why not read it?
        \_ It's a policy decision.  I don't think the constitution allows
           for that.  You *could* call a meeting and impeach the VP, install
           your own puppet VP and get the policy changed...
           OF B-ING A B1G LEETCH!!!11  M00CHANDAR Y00 R K-RAD!111
        \_ The CSUA already has anonymous ftp.  What did you think
           have to break down _ask_, like everyone else.  Take a look at
  was?  If you want a directory there, you'll
           have to break down and _ask_, like everyone else.  Take a look at
           /csua/adm/doc/policies/ftp before you ask, to make sure you can
           handle the regulations.  -mikeh
1999/7/16 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16149 Activity:high
7/15    Abstraction barrier.  I don't wanna know how s/key works.  I just want
        a WinNT FTP client that supports it.  URL?
        \_ s/key works by using an MD4 algorithm.  If you don't want to
           know how things work I suggest you pick a different major
           other than engineering or computer science.
        \_ You need to run keyinit on soda.  You'll need some luck to find
           a GUI FTP client that hides S/Key details from you.
1999/7/15-16 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16143 Activity:moderate
07/15   How do you use s/key to ftp?  Thanks
        \_ same way as you do with telnet. it challenges you answer.
           see man skey(1). -aaron
        \_ great s/key howto:
           \_ keyinit SUCKS, documentation-wise.
              It asks for "6 english words". It should say
              'the 6 english words generated by "key"'
1999/7/15-16 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16138 Activity:high
7/14    S/Key is neat-o.  It works even if you don't have ssh.
        \_ S/Key is useful, but understand that it only protects your _soda_
           password.  If you connect to soda using telnet and s/key, then
           telnet somewhere else and type your ordinary password for that place,
           it can be sniffed.  ssh is not an annoying frivolity, it is a good
           thing; use it if you can.  --dbushong
        \_ Question (not necessarily rhetorical)- Is giving your password to a
           web-based java applet really an improvement over telnet?
                \_ Yes, because your password is encrypted before leaving the
                    machine.  (Of course, the csua should put it on an ssl
                    httpd for the truly paranoid.)
           Yeah, yeah, Java is secure, but aren't there ways around that
           \_ so download the applet, and install it on your own server.
              Then worse case, it could only communicate back to THAT
              server. And/or just set your security settings to disallow
              applets from making ANY net connections.
              \_ So wouldn't it be nice to have an authorized s/key
                 applet on soda?
1999/7/15-8/5 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16137 Activity:nil
07/15 As announced, ordinary plaintext password telnet & rlogin sessions are
      now disallowed, unfortunately, due to unforeseen complications
      involving unique soda brokenness, you get to use s/key for ftp too!
      We apologize for any inconvenience, but know our users understand the
      goal is to maintain a safe and secure user community. -root

      A Java SSH Client and S/Key Calculator are online at:
      <DEAD>www.csua/ssh<DEAD> and <DEAD>www.csua/skey<DEAD> respectively
1999/7/14-16 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16128 Activity:nil
7/14    So it's almost 7/15. What's the word on S/Key or telnet alternatives?
        \_ man skey is higher-level
        \_ S/Key is supported; see "man keyinit" for what to set up on soda
           and for what to set up on
           your local machine.      --mconst
1999/7/9 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16093 Activity:nil
07/09   While we're talking about Windoze, does anyone know a POP3 mailer
        that stores e-mails in the same pure-text as it's stored in /var/mail?
        I'm going nuts with these proprietary .mbx, .idx, and .eml files
        that MS Outlook uses.
        \_ You might have some luck looking into PC-hosted UUCP-style mailers;
           from what I've seen of them, they tend to understand mbox format
           pretty well. -brg
        \_ If you find some Eudora resouces on the web, you'll see that
           Eudora's .mbx format _is_ in the standard unix format.
1999/7/6 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16083 Activity:high
7/6     This is a pretty dead horse, but since telnet will be gone soon,
        why can't sshd be set to listen to the now defunct port 23 for
        those of us behind lame-o firewalls?  Maybe I'm missing
        something... but it seems like a no-brainer solution.
        \_ that would keep people from using S/Key
        \_ your firewall isnt nearly as lames as those that only
           allow the telnet _protocol_ by use of annoying proxies.
1999/6/30-7/1 [Computer/SW/Unix/WindowManager, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16048 Activity:high
6/30    If I decide to change to bash insted of tcsh on soda do I simply
        chsh or do I have add my own .bash* files, or does soda automatilly
        do the right thing?
        \_ chsh
        \_ What do you consider "the right thing"?  You want it to make
           soda customised .bash files for you?
           \_ the default soda shell is tcsh for which all the dotfiles
              are set up, as far as enviroment settings. But when I changed
              to bash one day  I noticed that a bunch of stuff wasn't right
              like my path, and I was simply wondering if there were any
              preconfigured  .bash* files I could copy, or if I had to port
              all the settings myself.
              \_ Most machines usually have default files stored in /etc/skel
                 but csua apparently doesn't have that.
                 \_ That's because most machines DON'T have /etc/skel you
                    moron.  That's a SysVR4-ism.  What soda has is
                    /csua/share/doc/FAQ which tells you where the default
                    dotfiles are.
                    \_ the FAQ sez to look in /usr/share/skel but see NO
                        .bash* files. How do other bash users configure
                        their env for soda?
                        \_ Look at dot.shrc & dot.profile bozo
                        \_ There's only a dozen other bash users and
                           presumably they all knew what they were doing
                           before changing their shell.  Maybe you should
                           try that.
              \_ The CSUA is not here to hold your hand on the path to Unix
                 enlightenment.  We've created reasonable defaults to get
                 you on your feet.  You are more than welcome to diverge
                 from the beaten path, but do not expect a personal guide;
                 The idea behind this is that you might actually learn
                 something by doing it on your own.
1999/6/30-7/1 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16046 Activity:nil
6/30    This may seem a bit unconventional but since csua is disabling telnet
        and people are complaining about firewall restrictions is it possible
        to have sshd also listen to port 23 since most firewall admins don't
        block that? --non-alum
        \_ It makes more sense to have it on the rlogin port, since ssh
           emulates that stuff securely. And yes, it works through a
           firewall that way, if it passes port 512. Or it would work
           on the telnet port too. However, some firewalls require use of
           PROXIES, to stop exactly this kind of shennanigans.
1999/6/25 [Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/SW/Languages/Misc, Computer/SW/Languages/Perl] UID:16018 Activity:high
6/25    Using perls LWP it's trivial to 'download' html file
        and parse it, but what if I want to download something like a
        *.gif file where I dont want to capture standardout like
        with HTML. In other words I just want the file. Any pointers?
        \_ getright.
        \_ hint: the gif files on a web page have unique urls.  good luck.
           \_ more specifically I was looking for the right functions
              of LPW to download as an object.
        \_ Jeez. why use a crane to pick up a bowling ball?
           you can use "wget" or other executables compiled for
           "Get this http file". Or if you insist doing it in perl,
           then just use the http get routines. Or open up the socket,
           send "GET /file HTTP 1.0", and ignore everything until
           the first empty line.
1999/6/25 [Computer/SW/Apps/Media, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16015 Activity:low
6/24    anyone have a list of the %? escapes used by netscape's
        application customization settings?  when you add an external
        viewer, what's the escape for the local filename or stream url?
        i was trying to help a computer-phobic set up mpg123 as an app...
        i'm not able to plumb their horrid online docs for such
        useful info.  --karlcz
        \_ mpg123 %s
        \_ what?
           \_ the "preferences" menus for navigator lead to a section
              where you can add apps to view media types defined by
              file extension, eg .mp3
              the existing app entries i saw are for telnet etc. and
              have command-lines "telnet %h %p".
              i tried the obvious "mpg123 %f" for mp3 files, but it didn't
              work.  similarly, "gimp %f" for viewing RGB files didn't
              work.  it started gimp, but didn't pass the web-image as
              input.  is there a better way to do this?  --karlcz
1999/6/18-19 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15985 Activity:very high
6/18    How much for a life account on soda?
        \_ soda account and having a life are mutually exclusive.
        \_ u must FIRST bring back root a SHRUBBERY!
            \_ namely marijuana
               \_ or MDMA
                \_ dissociatives are bad for you.
                   \_ It's all bad for you.
                      \_ is this what you learned from government sanctioned
                         propaganda and programs like D.A.R.E ? You're the kind
                         that they like, follow directions, don't question
                         authority and you'll do fine.
                         \_ No, child, this is what I learned from
                            watching my girlfriend destroy her life.
                            You're a prick.  Little wannabe druggy
                            fucks all think they're so smart and anti-
                            government-conspiracy and all that bullshit.
                            Well, clue time.  You're just a dumb shit
                            moron burning out your brain and body.
                            I'm not a child of the DARE generation.
                            I'm a child of the been-there-knows-that-
                            first-hand generation.
                   Then someone of your OBVIOUS wisdom, and intelect
                   would surely refrain from generalizing comments
                   like, "it's all bad" I bow before you unending
                   insight and wisdom, but clearly you can't be
                   serious about comparing your crack-whore gf to
                   an occasional pot smoker or social drinker.
                        \_ You're a prick.  Please dope up and drive off a
                           cliff and drown to death.  The world will be a
                           better place.
        \_ First you must get a life.  Life accounts are only awarded to those
           who graduate with all 5 life points.
1999/6/16-19 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15964 Activity:nil
6/16    JOB: Part-time UNIX sysadmin for MechE Dept in Etcheverry needed ASAP.
        see /csua/pub/jobs/UCB_MechE_Dept                       -jeffwong
1999/6/11 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15945 Activity:high
6/10    What the hell was up with soda around 4:20??? It was slow as
        hell. root, any explanations? Oh yea, uptime reported around 40
        \_ Check the top of the motd.official.
           \_ So what was the squishee doing?
        \_ it was smoking a fattie! long live 420!!
                \_ He won't do WHAT again?
           \_ What was it that he did, just so us idiots won't try the
              same thing?
        \_ 420!! It was smoking a big fat blunt, explaining the slowness.
           \_ Whats all these references to 420 as some drug? what?
              \_ where have you been for the last 10 years?
                 \_ Is this some kind of snoop doggy dogg kind of thing?
                     \_ dumbasses...
                        \_ Seriously.  Smell up and smell the ganja, people!
        \_ Everybody must get stoned.
                \_ Hail!
1999/6/7-9 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15915 Activity:high
6/7     My Solaris 2.6 Ultra 5 machine is in a weird state.  It's out of
        sockets!  I do a netstat and there are 32,000+ sockets, most of them
        from a port on localhost to another port one on localhost.  And
        most of them are in the TIME_WAIT state.  But they are not being
        reclaimed.  lsof doesn't help.  The TIME_WAIT ports don't show up.
        Any ideas on how I candiagnose this?  Is the TIME_WAIT timeout
        configurable?  Can I turn on more logging?  I've shut down all
        major user processes and the sockets are still not being
        reclaimed.  Any help would be appreciated.  I don't want
        to reboot until I've learned as much as I can.  Thanks.
                                                        -- azarm
                \-do you know what client programis causing this
                [it isnt ldap by any chance is it?] if this is a machine
                you are root on, i might know how to deal with it [which is
                slightly different than fix it]. will let you know if i can
                remember the exact ndd magic. --psb
                \_ ummm.  also make sure you check the recommended patch
                  list for 2.6 before you start jumping through hoops like
                    the overworked stunt animal that you are :)
                \_ Sounds like a classic half-open attack.  Remote machine
                   sends all sorts of spoofed connections, and
                   most OS's don't see that you can't have stuff
                   coming in the Ethernet interface.  Solution: do a
                   deny on on your incoming router, or block
                   it with natd or ipfilter or something.
        \_ I did more research.  14000 of the sockets are to a port that's
           snmpdx is using (an SNMP daemon process).  1000 are ftp sockets
           to a known machine and another 1000 are sendmail sockets to
           another known machine.  I have nightly script to mail and ftp.
           The scripts work fine (without socket leakage) on other machines.
                \_ Checked your patch level lately?
            \_ tcp sockets to a snmp port?  UH, no -- SNMP runs on UDP. -ERic
        \_ TIME_WAIT sockets don't count against the 1024 limit. -ausman
1999/5/23-25 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15862 Activity:high
5/23    Did you hear that Ari and Christine are married?
        \_ "If you need to ask, you don't know."
        \_ Why should we care?
        \_ How many times have we heard about this?
        \_ Which Christine?  (Which login?)
                \_ the one with 3 different logins because she can't make
                         up her mind.
                \_ The one that's been living with ari for years.  If you
                   don't know her login, you don't know her and don't need
                   to know.  (Hint: If you pay any attention to walls, you
                   know who.)
                \_ Why does anyone care?  Just shut up.  It's not like, "Did
                   you hear Ari and Christine are tag team serial killers?"
                   \_ This is outrageous.  There is no evidence that
                      Christine has help Ari with any of his crimes,
                      especially not serial killing.
                        \_ there's a website out there of her holding down
                           twaung while ari rapes him
                              \_ Damn!  I got 403 Forbidden.
                              \_ what kind of lamer puts an image in
                                 his PUBLIC HTML "images directory, then
                                 revokes view privilege for it? Either
                                 have it there, or not. sheesh.
                           \_ I thought it was Ari holding him down while
                              xtine raped him.
                   \_ I just want to check out her pics if she has a home page,
                      to see how lucky/unlucky Ari is.
                        \_ Ari is filthy rich, Christine is a lot hotter than
                           your hand, you just lose in comparison.
                           \_ I dunno dood....My hand is pretty good looking.
                        \_ ~chris
                        \_ Boy-child, luck has nothing to do with it.  The
                           sooner you get over that idea, the sooner you'll
                           be making love to a woman instead of your hand.
                           \_ And if you're Ari, this will include cheating
                              \_ What?  Do tell!
                           \_ That was what I thought until I have this
                              hot babe fall from the sky.
                                \_ What'd she weigh?  Or did you let her
                                   bounce a few times first?
1999/5/22 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15856 Activity:moderate
5/21    Beside ftp, what other network services don't work behind firewalls
        and why?
        \_ Please don't delete this. I'm planning on setting up a firewall
        \_ Er, depends on the firewall and its configuration.  And as for
           why:  they're blocked on the firewall.  -John
           \_ Not just blocked services but there are services (like ftp)
              that won't allow machines behind a firewall to use that service
              due to implementation reasons.
                \_ As for ftp, you can always use pftp (passive mode). If
                   you don't have pftp, just do what Real Men do, telnet into
                   the ftp server on port 21 and issue the PASV command.
        \_ Any process which has a callback mechanism.  For example:
           Quake, IRC, Real Audio, cuseeme, ftp. -- nickkral
                \_ Don't forget ICQ! I just love my firewall since it
                   keeps the grubbing interns from chatting with thier
                   friends on company time!
                   \_ AIM! AIM!
                \_ It all depends on the firewall and it's configuration.
                        Some setups will let any & all of the above work.
1999/5/20-21 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15847 Activity:high
5/20    We're receiving around a thousand bug reports per day about our
        software, but we really only have 1 person to deal with them.
        What software is available to process and organize these reports
        to make them more manageable?
        \_ Don't do anything about them an call your company Microsoft.
        \_ use GNU gnats.
        \_ jitterbug is supposed to be good
        \_ Forget about fixing them.  Quit this company.  Obviously, this
           software is shit.
                \_ We have 45 million users.  1k complaints/day isn't a big
                   deal.  Obviously, you're talking out your ass.
                   \_ You have 45 million users and only 1 person to deal with
                      bugs?  Is your management crazy?
1999/5/19-20 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15840 Activity:high
5/19    Dear root
            It would be really cool if you could remove all the old job
            listings from /csua/pub/jobs, I'd be more than happy to do
            it myself but my BSD security compromising fu is lacking.
            You see I need to find a job so I can afford an NT license,
            I can't get any work done without that wonderfull paperclip
            helping me along the way. Thank you very much and may god
            love you for ever.                  job-less on CSUA
            \_ find a headhunter.  try
            \_ Wired is hiring.  good luck.
            \_ ls -l will tell you when a company's job listing was
               last fiddled with.  Old listings' job openings probably
               don't exist, but the company probably still does.  If
               the company sounds interesting, try their website.
1999/5/17-18 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15822 Activity:kinda low
5/17    PLEASE clean up your old crap in the /csua/pub/job dir!
        \_ I'd like to, but all the files and dirs I put there before are now
           owned by root.
Darth Maul kills Qui-Gon.
                \_ root would be happy to help you with this problem.
1999/5/15 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15815 Activity:high
5/15    It's the "Message Of The Day", not "Messages Of Last Week".
        If you don't want it nuked, start something fresh.
        \_ It's also not the standard root-only motd.  You want it wiped
           once a day, petition root to make a cron job.  Since you obviously
           don't "get it", just use a .hushlogin and leave the rest of us
        \_ I don't want it wiped once a day, I want it to not be full of
           stupid trollfests from a week ago that keep getting replaced
           by the original trollers.
           \_ Dumbshit, nothing on the motd was more than 48 hours old.  Get
              a fucking calendar.
        \_ maybe ERic should stop rcsing the motd.  That is how poeple
           get old copies to replace it with.
           \_ No it isn't.  It is actually possible to save a copy yourself.
              This may come as a stunning revelation to you, but the cp
              command isn't root only.
1999/5/11-12 [Computer/HW/Memory, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15790 Activity:nil
5/10    /tmp/q3test_1_05.exe
        \_ and  /tmp/gamespyinstaller210std.exe to actually find net games
        \_ Please, please please don't put large files in /tmp.  It's a
           memoryfs mounted filesystem.  (translation: fill it up and you
           fill up memory on soda)  Put large files in /csua/tmp
1999/4/28 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15717 Activity:nil
4/28    problem running a file on unix, get no such file or directory
        the file is a script file , first line is #/bin/csh.
        a few comment lines then an echo statment.. when i run the file
        the echo statement never appears, just get above error,
        logged in as root and file permissions are rwx (777) any ideas?
        \_ You mean #!/bin/csh or #/bin/csh ?  Have you tried sourcing?
        \_ Make sure csh is in that directory....
                \_ yes #!/bin/csh  and csh is in there.. :(
        \_ Have you tried looking at whether it has invisible characters?
          Try " /bin/ls -al | od -c | more "
                \_ nope. no invis chars  C S H \n
        \_ I think you want ./filename because . isn't in your path. --dim
                \_ it is in path :(
        \_ i created a small test file: contains
                #!/bin/csh test
                echo " hello"
                exit 0
                ran it with test, returns nothing , ran it with ./test gets
                permission denied.
                \_ if you didn't specify ./test, odds are you ran /bin/test
                   by accident.  'test' is not a good name for a test script.
1999/4/5 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15698 Activity:high
4/4     If you haven't seen it yet, this makes good reading:    -brg
        \_ What is the G in Gnu's Not Unix? Every recursion has a base case
           \_ Not all recursion has a base case.  Try, e.g.,
                (define (foo) (foo))
              Or, more to the point,
                (define (gnu) (cons (gnu) '(is not unix)))
              Every example of recursion _that terminates_ has a base case,
              but recursion need not terminate.  See Hofstadter's _Godel,
              Escher, Bach_ for some discussion of infinite or non-terminating
              recursion, including in acronyms.  -- schoen
              \_ Every correct recursive function has a base case.  The
                 solution to Alan Turing's Halting problem is that if you
                 wrote the program correctly it should eventually terminate
                \_ How is that a solution to the halting problem?  The
                   halting problem is trying to figure out a way to
                   know if you wrote your program "correctly" (your
                   terminology)?  Your "solution" does not tell you
                   how you know if you wrote your program correctly.
                   \_ I thought the halting problem was if your program
                      would eventually finish.
                      \_ The Halting Problem is how you can _tell_.  It
                         happens to be equivalent to one form of program
                         correctness testing, but it's usually stated in
                         terms of the decision problem for programs' halting.
                 \_ What do you mean by a "correct recursive function"?
1999/4/1 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15681 Activity:nil
3/31    ~danh/public_html/finger/*
        \_ Is this why we get so many spams?
        \_ turn this crap off.  this is ridiculous.  this is the only account
           I have that doesn't (yet) get spam and I want to keep it that way.
1999/3/31-4/2 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15675 Activity:low
3/31    Requiem demo #2 available on
        (can I set a mirror on csua? ftp is hurting at 3do...) -daryl
        \_ 3do is a bunch of commies.
        \_ my bro says that Warzone 2100 is the next sleeper hit RTS.  After
           playing about 20 missions he says he can never go back to C&C,
           TA, SC, Myth2, every other RTS - try the demo what do ya think?
           \_ the demo was interesting.  The unit AI still needs some work,
              and path finding as always, but definit promise.  A game I'll
              look to pick up used or bargin bin. - seidl
1999/3/23-24 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15635 Activity:high
3/22    Please help!  I ftp into soda, login successfully, but can't 'get' any
        files because it just hangs.  ls/dir hangs.  Example:

ftp> bin
200 Type set to I.
ftp> get file.tar.Z
200 PORT command successful.
425 Can't build data connection: Operation timed out.
        This happens consistently.  Help, help, help!
        \_ try passive mode, at your ftp prompt, type "passive".  You're
           behind a firewall that won't let the ftp server create the data
           socket back to your machine.
           \_ Sigh... my crummy ftp client doesn't do passive mode.  Getting
              a better one.  Thanks for the info!
1999/3/17-18 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15605 Activity:high
3/17    How do you create a list of quotes for fortune.  I notice that
        they have to be separated by a % but how can you get the
        accompanying .dat file ?
        \_ strfile fortunefile create fortunefile.dat.  It should be
           documented in the fortune manpage though it isnt --jon
           \_ to be safe, strfile file file.dat
        \_ Where is the fortune program located on soda?
           \_ There really needs to be a motd.public FAQ
               % whereis fortune
               fortune: /csua/bin/fortune /usr/ports/shells/tcsh/work/tcsh-
                \_ Go stick your head in a pig.
           \_ Found it!  /usr/games/fortune
              \_ which unfortunately consists of one single line:
                 echo "Go stick your head in a pig."
1999/3/8-10 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15558 Activity:high
3/8     Some older accounts have incomplete manpaths, they should be:
        If you don't have this, man www, etc. won't work.
        \_ No, actually, you should just not have a MANPATH.  Remove any line
           that says setenv MANPATH in your .cshrc or MANPATH= in your
           .profile/.bashrc.  --dbushong
           \_ how does man know where to look for pages, then?
                \_ we told it where to look (read 'man manpath') -- root
                \_ does this apply to path as well?
                   \_ The default system man search path is in
                      /etc/manpath.config  The "default" csh path for you
                      is probably what got copied into your .cshrc file
                      from /usr/share/skel/dot.cshrc (if you have a new
                      account) or something funky otherwise.  A good setting
                      is: (. ~/bin /csua/bin /usr/local/bin /usr/bin /bin)
                                \_ NOT!  Drop the dot!
                                   \_ if you insist on having . in your path,
                                      you should at least put it at the end.
                      \_ UM.. I did ___NOT___ put "." in the path when I made
                         that post.  Please do not edit other people's posts,
                         especially when they are signed.  --dbushong
                         \_ I did *NOT* post this. --dbushong
                            \_ PGP signed motd entries again, anyone?
1999/3/2-3 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15510 Activity:high
3/1     In tcsh, how do you make a shell variable display in your prompt?
        \_ setenv FOO bar
           set prompt=$FOO %
             /  \
            / ..|\
           (_\  |_)
           /  \@'
          /     \
      _  /  `   |
     \\/  \  | _\
      \   /_ || \\_
       \____)|_) \_)
       \____)|_) \_)  \_ is this another one of those fetish things?
        \_ didn't figlet also did dogs.
1999/2/27-3/30 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15491 Activity:nil
2/26    Check out: telnet, login world (then type your name)
        comments to bfeaster@csua  (80x25 vt100/color emulation required)
1999/2/25-3/30 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15483 Activity:high
2/25    In MS-DOS, I can do "prompt $E[7m$p$g$E[0m" to get an inverse
        command prompt.  Is there a way to do the same thing for NT command
        prompt?  Thanks.
        \_  4NT
           \_ tcsh for NT.
                \_ tcsh != MS-DOS.  The jpsoft stuff is as good or better than
                   tcsh for personalization mods like this and they're also
                   written specifically to upgrade DOS-heads to tcsh-like power
                   without having to relearn everything from scratch and rewrite
                   a zillion batch files.
                   \_ 4NT != MS-DOS.  More apropos, NT command prompt != 4NT.
                      \_ Idiot.  He wants to set his prompt.  Read the fucking
                         message.  4NT will give him exactly what he wants
                                \_ Pay?  Who paid for it?
                   tcsh for personalization mods like this and they're also
                   written specifically to upgrade DOS-heads to tcsh-like power
                   without having to relearn everything from scratch and rewrite
                   a zillion batch files.
                         without learning anything new except for the new
                         prompt command nor requiring him to rewrite any
                         batch files.  You, Sir, are a moron.
                         \_ Setting a prompt is worth paying for a new shell?
                                \_ Pay?  Who paid for it?  There's a reason it
                                   hasn't had a new version in years.  Just
                                   download and use it.  If you want to get
                                   into a debate about the ethics of stealing
                                   trialware, go for it, but 4NT is still a
                                   perfectly good answer.  Go start a new
                                   thread if you want to flame me for lack of
1999/2/24 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15468 Activity:moderate
2/23    Why is it that when I use tin to post a message, it gets
        posted as if its from <DEAD><DEAD> even though I am
        on <DEAD><DEAD> and there is no <DEAD><DEAD>?
        I'm using /usr/sww/bin/tin and its version:
        tin 1.3 950824BETA PL0 [UNIX] (c) Copyright 1991-94 Iain Lea.
        \_ perhaps you should ask the people who run the machine(s) on
           which you are having this problem, dumbass.
                \_ I have seen the same problem with other machines
                   and other people. So unless diff sysadmins in the dept
                   are making the same mistakes, this might be a tin
                   problem. Thats why I posted to the motd, dumbass.
                   \_ /usr/sww is built by one group of sysadmins and
                      shared with the entire dept, so if the problem's
                      there, it doesn't matter who your sysadmin is dumbass.
                        \_ Then I'd contact SWW sysadmin, not "the people
                           who run the machine(s) on which you are having
                           this problem", right, stupid dumbfuck?
                           \_ wow you people are
        \_ The problem with sww is that it isn't maintained in a consistent
           and serious way for the last few years.  Good luck with sww admins.
1999/2/22-24 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15461 Activity:high
2/22    Is there an equivalent to the UNIX command '| more' in VMS?
           \_ Besides the Soviet Doomsday machine, who the hell uses VMS?
           \_ On older systems, you can
           $ <commands producing lots of output>
           on new (v7.1ish systems) you can
           $ PIPE <commands producing lots of output> | MORE
           You can put the assignment of MORE in your http://LOGIN.COM,
           so it will be there every time you log in.  Or you
           could just use the POSIX command interpreter and
           forget about all this nonsense. -brg
           \_ Holy shit.... And I thought a lot of unix stuff was arcane.
1999/2/20-21 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15452 Activity:kinda low
2/19    How long does the typical UNIX system administrator stay at
        his job?  It's been 8 months for me, and I'm getting itchy!
        \_ you're an idiot. If you want to be jumping around, then go sign
            up with Taos or some other consulting firm.
        \_ That's twice as long as i stayed
          \_ My jobs have been 4 years and 1 year, but those have been both
             SA and Network Engineer. -ERic
        \_ The typical UNIX sysadmin stays at his/her job as long as he is
                happy with the job, the coworkers, the salary, etc.
                If your job is crap, 8 months is too long - if it's great
                then stay for years.
1999/2/18 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15436 Activity:moderate
2/17    running slackware linux V 2,  I can ftp as anonymous but NOT as a
        user.  I can telnet in as a user but, once in, if i type "login"
        and the SAME username and password it won't let me in, but I CAN
        "rlogin."  WTF??
        \_ Your shell isn't listed in /etc/shells  --dbushong
            \_ Oh, they are listed.  (Shells plural since none of the
                users can ftp or "login" regardless of what shell they
                are using).
        \_ Also, some ftpd's have their own shells file.  This may not apply
           in your case, but I thought I'd mention it anyway.
1999/2/11 [Recreation/Food, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15398 Activity:insanely high
2/10    What's the optimal path to get from San Ramon to good sushi,
        taking both distance and quality into account?
           \_ I'm asking for recommendations of sushi places.
              Statement of question was intended to be humorous.
              Would you seriously try raw fish at a random restaurant?
              \_ anonymous coward deleted.  -tom
                        \-eibisu in SF. --psb
        \_ a hamilton path.  you want to make sure you visit every single
           street corner first.
        \_ use greedy algorithm
        \_ variation of Kruskal
        \_ yellow pages + yahoo maps = not having to ask stupid questions on motd
        \_ yellow pages + yahoo maps = not having to ask stupid q's on motd
           \_ uhh, yellow page and yahoo maps doesnt tell you if a sushi place
              is good or not
           \_ I'm asking for recommendations of sushi places.
              Statement of question was intended to be humorous.
              Would you seriously try raw fish at a random restaurant?
                \_ if it's on the web, it must be good!  -tom
        \_ eibisu in SF. --psb

           \_ is it enough better than more local restaurants to justify
              the long drive from San Ramon?  --tsang
        \_ ebisu in SF, has > 2hr waits, and no reservations...
        \_ might try Kirala in Berkeley
                \_ He said "good" sushi.
        \_ House of Sake in Walnut Creek. --chris
1999/2/9-10 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15383 Activity:low
2/9     What's the standard Unix way to multithread programs in C?
        \_ The most portable way is POSIX threads; see pthread(3) or
           pthreads(3), depending on your system.
           \_ If you are interested in NT portability in the future,
              I would suggest using ACE:


              I know its not C, but it does give you a high level
              of portability.
                \_ so does perl
                   \_ I have not seen any thread functions in perl.
                      What module are you using?
                        \_ use Thread;  (surprise surprise)  -tom
                \_ NT is POSIX and supports pthread.
                   \_ Do you live in Redmond? The POSIX subsystem in
                      NT is a joke. The performance penalty for using
                      it is worse than if you chose to use Java's
                      green threads.
1999/2/8-9 [Computer/SW/Languages, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15374 Activity:low
2/8     RIP my #1 whiteboy, my Ace, Malcom Russell Hart.  Maybe someone
        can explain to me God's plan on this one.  --maxmcc
        \_ Who?
           \_ Cal student killed in an avalanche; see the Daily Cal
        \_ No, but maybe you can make a memorial web page so other people
           can find out about him.
                \_ That is a good idea.  I am no web designer, but I will
                   put up some stuff, and try to scan some pictures later
                   today or tomorrow.  It will be at
1999/2/1-2 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15341 Activity:high
2/1     finger
        finger: tawei: no such user
        \_ Is tawei currently under Soda's witness protection program?
         \_ Yes. "man finger" for information on how to join.
1999/2/1-2 [Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:15335 Activity:kinda low
2/1     I found plenty of offline browsers for the PC at
        but NONE for unix.  Anybody know of an offline browser that d/ls
        an entire web site on your HD for solaris?
        \_ wget is your friend
1999/1/30-2/1 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15326 Activity:moderate
 1/30   Is there a way to prevent someone, or if it's easier an entire
        domain, from seeing your finger information if you're logged in or
        \_ ask root to disable fingerd.  its a stupid 'service' anyway.
        \_ What's the account that you want to exclude from?
        \_ from the finger manpage --
     If the file ``.nofinger'' exists in the user's home directory, finger be-
     haves as if the user in question does not exist.
        \_ I meant just a specific user, not blocking out everyone.
                \_ No, because you have no way of knowing where the finger
                   really comes from (many versions of finger allow
                   'forwarding' connections, i.e. 'finger joe@csua@uclink'
                   looks like it's coming from uclink, not the real user).
                   \_ This behavior is deprecated and may gradually start
                      to go away, though.  Some fancy fingerds like cfingerd
                      do what the original person asked for... and I think
                      GNU fingerd lets users change the output of fingering
                      their accounts.
1999/1/29 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15323 Activity:nil
1/28    Since when did Tawei start logging in regularly?
        tawei    ttyx7  Thu Jan 28 16:31 - 16:41  (00:10)
        tawei    ftp  Thu Jan 28 16:28 - 16:29  (00:00)
        tawei    ftp  Thu Jan 28 16:26 - 16:27  (00:00)
        tawei    ttyR7  Sun Jan 10 10:07 - 10:07  (00:00)
        tawei    ttyP9  Sat Jan  9 15:08 - 15:10  (00:01)
1999/1/28-29 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15308 Activity:nil
1/27 Is it possible to automate password cracking on an NT network, aka
     crack on a UNIX network?  I ask because I am allowing SMB access
     to our unix backbone, but I want to make sure they haven't picked
     bad passwords (and for political reasons, cant force them to use
     their unix passwords for the SMB server).  Any other thoughts on this
     matter are appreciated.
     -- NT clueless
     \_ "password cracking on an NT network, also known as crack on a
         UNIX network"  you really are clueless
     to our unix backbone, but I want to make sure they haven't picked
     bad passwords (and for political reasons, cant force them to use
     their unix passwords for the SMB server).  Any other thoughts on this
     matter are appreciated.
     -- NT clueless
        \_ only the best:
1999/1/21-23 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15270 Activity:kinda low
1/21    How do I easily add symbolic link like /etc/rc.d/rc0.d/K15httpd, into
        all the rc1 through rc6 directories?
        \_ sounds like a job for a simple foreach loop
        \_ bash
           foreach i (`ls /etc/rc.d/ | grep rc`)
           ? ln -s /etc/rc.d/init.d/httpd /etc/rc.d/$i/K15httpd
           ? end
            \_ By the way, if you're using RedHat Linux there's tksysv which
               will do this for you. ~jefe/pub/tksysv
            \_ (t)csh syntax is exactly the same, except of course,
               you can do the foreach as 'foreach i (/etc/rc.d/rc[1-6])' -ERic
        \_ fyi: The Solaris standard is a hard link.  (ln, not ln -s) -ax
           \_ FYI: Sun is schizophrenic. S89bdconfig, comes with the OS,
               is a soft link.
               All the Symon and SDS rc scripts are soft links.
        \_ I didn't say Sun followed their own standards!  :) -ax
1999/1/19-21 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15253 Activity:high
1/18    Is there any serious consequence of changing my root shell from
        the default /bin/bash to /bin/tcsh?
        \_ No. -tom (presuming you mean linux; consequences otherwise vary
                     but probably are minor).
        \_ do root shellscripts that run as "#" and not "#/some/shell"
           run as your default shell?
           \_ Only if you run them from your default shell.  If you're
              referring to /etc/rc.d/*, etc. no.  -tom
        \_ This is a bad idea, some of the init scripts assume that you
           are running /bin/sh. You need to make sure that all your scripts
           have a #!/bin/sh at the beginning.
           \_ thanks, I'll just leave root as bash and learn stupid bash
                \_ bash is great, you'll be happy you did. --aaron
                   \_ EXPLANAVUE, aaron?
        \_ None of the init scripts assume you are running /bin/sh when
           they're run at boot.  When you run them yourself, you can
           run them with "sh script". -tom
1999/1/16-18 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15243 Activity:high
1/15    When I try to run pgp5, it says: Invoked with unknown symlink. ???
        \_ and I cannot ask elm to use pgp5 for that reason.
           \_ ls -l `which pgp`; ls -l ~/.pgp
              check to make sure that any symbolic links aren't broken.
             \_ I played around and realize that pgp5 checks under which
                symbolic name it was invoked to perform the approriate
                function, unlike pgp ver. 2.  However, this makes it
                impossible for elm to use it, and thus I cannot use
                DSS key with elm.  Any solution?
                \_ use mutt
                   \_ Does the mutt on soda support PGP5?
                   \_ Does mutt on soda support PGP5?  It does not seem so.
                \_ Well, you could try creating the symlinks to the
                   pgp binary yourself.  If you need to, you could always
                   create them in ~yourhome/bin and add that to your path
                   to make them easy to get at.  If the pgp binary expects
                   to be invoked through a symlink, then why not let it?
                   \_  Well, I think elm invokes pgp using options rather
                        than symlink.  pgp2 and pgp5 command formats are
                        not compatiable.
1999/1/6-7 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15181 Activity:nil
1/6     Let's say I do a "netstat -a" and see someone is hogging up a port
        that I need (ie. I'm running a MUD server). As a root, how do I
        delete the process that is associated with that port? Thanks.
        \_ use lsof to get the pid of the process that is using
           the port.
1999/1/6-7 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15179 Activity:high
1/5     Where can I grab kerberos for an irix machine?
        \_ this question shows a lack of conceptual understanding.
                \_ Then pray tell, oh enlightened one, where did I
                   stray from my path?
                \_ where you decided what you need instead of telling us
                   what you're trying to accomplish
                   \_ Twit.  Obviously he wants to install kerberos on an SGI.
        \_ Last I checked, no one had ported kerberos to SGI.  No client, no
           server.  Nada.  Nothing.  Zip.  Zilch.  Zero.  Unlike other people,
           I understand why you might want to install kerberos on an SGI to
           work in a pre-existing kerberos environment.  Maybe in the last
           year or so someone has done it, but I wouldn't bet money on it.
           Good luck on this one.  I was told it was a non-trivial port.
        \_ Get krb5. I have it compiled on our SGI's running Irix 6.2 and
           it seems to work. Stay away from krb4. -marc
1999/1/6-7 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15172 Activity:nil
1/4     hi.  i dont really know quite how to compile this program
        that i found this morning.
        here are the first 7 lines (out of 15 output) that im
        getting when i compile (the rest of output is in

        % make -f Makefile
        cc -o mmv -O -pipe mmv.c
        mmv.c:115: conflicting types for `lseek'
        /usr/include/sys/types.h:161: previous declaration of `lseek'
        mmv.c:365: conflicting types for `memmove'
        /usr/include/string.h:55: previous declaration of `memmove'
        mmv.c: In function `init':

        can anybody point me to a particular man page or a web
        page or simply tell me what i need to do to compile this?
                thanks, hahnak (still learning)
        \_ pick up a C book or man lseek and memmove(for the first 2
           errors at least). BTW, permission of the log file
           isnt set up correctly either.
1998/12/30-31 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15143 Activity:nil
12.29   Does anyone know a good automatic spelling corrector for UNIX? -jnat
        \_ There is no such thing as an "automatic spelling corrector" -
           computers can spot words that it doesn't know, but not how they
           should really be spelled.  If you want a spell checker, try ispell.
                \_ Sure there is.  The accuracy is just kinda low.  What,
                   you don't believe in AI?  Surely we can automate automation!
        \_ philspell
           \_ if phil<whatever> is so great, shouldn't every phil program
              just be one program? like phildoit. word processor? phildoit.
              email? phildoit. quake2? phildoit. webbrowsing? phildoit.
                \_ No, but PhilOS is currently under development.
                \_ uh, phillip writes for Unix, not Winblows.  -tom
                   \_ Tom, the original writer was looking for a UNIX program.
                      Where did you see "Windows" or "not UNIX" in there?
                      Maybe quake2 confused you?  I don't see why phil can't
                      port quake2 in a few minutes with philport.
                        \_ Only MS (and to an extent Netscape) thinks that
                           putting everything in to one enormous package
                           is a good idea.  -tom
                           \_ *bzzt!*  Take a closer look at HP-UX and try
                              again.  Monolithic kernel, and something like
                              a half-dozen utilities (with nine zillion
                              hard links to them) that decide what they are
                              at runtime by checking arg[0].  If you've
                              got access to the sources, get some Pepto
                              Bismal in you before reading.
                          \_ Only?  Well well, The Tom Hath Spoken, Thus It
                             Shall Be!  All Hail The All Knowing Tom!
           \_What's the FTP site?
1998/12/22 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15140 Activity:nil
12/21   Hello, why does my secure shell client (SecureCRT) constantly drop
        its connection, even though I enabled a 55 second send of a space
        bar key press.  Any experience with more reliable winnt ssh clients?
        \_ That's not SecureCRT necessarily, it's probably either
           a) you have autologout unwittingly set in tcsh; add
              unset autologout to your .cshrc
           b) you're logging into a *?$#*$ linux box which logs you out
              every 10 minutes.. i cannot figure out for the life of me
              why some systems do this
           c) your firewall kills connections every n minutes and has a
              bad algorithm to determine why --dbushong
1998/12/22 [Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:15135 Activity:nil
12/21   I Need A GOOD calander/schedule program for a company of a little
        over a hundred people (but growing fast).  We are willing
        (as it seems like it will be necessary) to change our mail server
        to whatever the Calandering program needs.  We have Unix, NT and
        even MAC servers I am open to any suggestions, but none of our
        Sys. Admins. (least of all me) have a huge amount of time to
        devote to getting it running.  Any suggestions? Thanks.   -crebbs
        \_ i've never tried it myself but ical (for unix) seems to be
           growing in popularity.  plus, i heard it works with palm pilots.
           if you can get something for tcl/tk or possibly java that would
           solve your multiple platform problems.
        \_ Get Exchange Server. -completely clueless idiot
                \_ Corporate Time <DEAD><DEAD> seems OK.  And you
                   don't need to change your mail program.  -tom
        \_ I believe both the netscape "groupware" stuff has some sort of
           calender support. But the "best" IMO is the lotus stuff.
                \_ ccmail is a piece of shit.  -tom
                   \_ true. but it does haev a non-m$ calendar prog, that is
                      semi-decent. And the upgraded one in notes is actually
                      pretty good.
1998/12/19-20 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15129 Activity:moderate
12/18   in an .rhosts file how do you give access to your account for
        multiple computers on the same subdomain (like all the computers
        that end with without having the specifiy every
        computer in soda hall)
        \_ Don't be stupid.  This is painfully wrong.  Do not do this.
           Use ssh and setup an authorized keys file.
        \_ The voice of root intones, "Please read /csua/adm/doc/ssh-howto"
           \_ You feel foolish!
        \_ Setting *.cs or *.eecs in a .rhosts would be a really bad idea
           even if you could do it.  (Think about this:  I install linux
           or *BSD on my laptop, take it down to the second floor labs,
           plug it into one of the net connections there, create an account
           matching yours on my machine and login as you.  There's also
           dozens of *.cs/*.eecs computers you don't have accounts on that
           people you don't want to have access to your account have root on.
           Many students have root on many research machines.)
                \_ PS.  This is also why chmod is pointless on the EECS-inst
                   cluster.  Anyone can read any file on any NFS-exported
                   filesystem, and write any file on any filesystem exported
                   writable.  Have fun editing your final grades!  (Too bad
                   Secure NFS isn't available on HP-SUX 10.20)
                   \_ Really?  Just because they have an open net as described
                      above or is there something additionally stupid about
                      the *.cs/*.eecs setup?  -alum without *.cs to check it out
                      the *.cs/*.eecs setup?  -alum (no *.cs account)
                      \_ Because they use NFS on an open net.
                      \_ Because anyone with a UNIX laptop can create an
                         account with any UID they want and non-secure NFS
                         trusts the client to be who they say.  (If they
                         dumped the non-Solaris machines they could use
                         Secure NFS which requires a valid kerberos ticket
                         or NIS+ credentials to prove identity.)  In short -
                         NFS sucks.
        \_ If you really want to setup .rhosts to be able to rsh from any of
           your account, type '+' in your .rhosts file.
                \_ The EECS-Inst machines have cops set up to detect and
                   disable stupid rhosts.  (But it may take a week before
                   it runs and tells you how stupid you are.)
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