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2001/7/27 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21962 Activity:very high
7/26    what's the most buggiest linux/freebsd/solaris daemon you can think of?
        \_ apparently whatever grammar check you used on this motd entry.
        \_ not exactly a daemon, but linux's tape system.  fukn a.
           \_ linux has a tape system?
        \_ rpcbind
        \_ bugd
        \_ " NFS
           \_ NFS, seconded. See also: "nlockmgr", "gaping hole", "rpc.statd",
              "security nightmare", et al
              \_ No.
        \_ follow up.  Where can i find old versions of bind, wuftpd,
           rpc.statd. etc?
           \_ http://ftp.wu-ftpd.org:/pub/wu-ftpd-attic - paolo
2001/7/27-28 [Computer/HW/Drives] UID:21963 Activity:moderate
7/26    I want to buy an econo-DVD player that functions well.  Doesn't need
        to bypass region encoding.  Recommendations?  urlP.  Thanks.
        \_ I heard that cheap ones can't play CD's you burn yourself.  It's
           something about the format on those CDs being different from that
           on CDs you buy in record stores.  I don't know exactly.
           \_ Oh brother. It has nothing to do with cheap vs. expensive.
              Some DVD players have two lasers. The ones that don't usually
              can't play CD-R. Of course, that's what CD players are for.
              Most Sonys can't player CD-R. Pioneer can. YMMV.
              Most Sonys can't play CD-R. Pioneer can. YMMV.
              \_ Why does it need two lasters to play CD-R but only one to
                 play regular CD and DVD?
                 \_ Or one laser that can do dual wavelengths. Many players
                    use a laser that is a compromise between DVD and CD
                    wavelengths to read both. Factory pressed CDs are more
                    conducive to this laser (reflectivity), while CD-R is not.
                    \_ I see.  What about CD-RWs?  Do DVD players with only one
                       laser wavelength have the same problem with CD-RWs?
        \_ How cheap do you want? You can find good Toshiba DVD players
           all over for about $150. Why buy crap when you could have
           something decent for $50 more?
        \_ Or spring $300 and get a PS2
2001/7/27-28 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:21964 Activity:very high
7/26    Does anyone here use vmware to run windows applications on a Linux
        host? Is it good enough to run things like Quicktime and MS Media
        player? Given that I have unlimited memory, which version of windows
        is better to use in vmware for better performance, Me or 2000?
        \_ You.
        \_ win98 >> WinMe
        \_ Win98 is your best bet for things you're talking about.
        \_ Install WinXP. i'm sure it's just what you're looking for.
        \_ according to my friend, the I/O isn't too hot, and it's very
           dependent on your CPU speed.  On his P2-400, he can play audio
           fine, but QuickTime drops a majority of the frames.
           \_ QuickTime for Windows is the Devil's spawn.  It's proof that
              if Apple were on top, Steve Jobs would be 18x more evil than
              Bill ever was.
              \_ While I agree with the sentiment, why is QT the devil's spawn?
                 Seems fine to me.
                 \_ For one thing, the browser plugin is fucked (doesn't
                    allow saving or resizing, and drops half of its
                    frames.)  -John
                    \_ You need quicktime pro for saving. basic qt doesn't
                       support saving.
                 \_ For another, it plays slow as shit unless you have
                    überCPU, and wouldn't dream of doing hardware scaling
                    M-|berCPU, and wouldn't dream of doing hardware scaling
                 \_ For another, it wants to 0wn every media type on earth,
                    even ones it can't handle correctly (like MPEG)
                    \_ When QT3 for Windows came out, not only could you
                       not uninstall it cleanly, but it took over MPEG and
                       then refused to play the movies, took over MIDI killing
                       off my good hardware MIDI samples and replacing it
                       with its own shit... all without ever asking.
                       \_ Well, maybe if Windows didn't have such a broken
                          install/uninstall process...
                          \_ What's broken about it? Winamp installs fine.
                             What follows the ...? Are you saying QT had to
                             do what it did because of the installer? Or did
                             you have an aneurysm and lose your train of thought
                             \_ Installation on Macs = copying a directory to
                                your hard disk and running it. Why do I have
                                to go through an Install-Shield process so
                                that it can modify my "registry settings" and
                                install GDF1053345.dll into my C:\WINDOWS\
                                SYSTEM directory and find all the conflicting
                                versions of GDF1053345.dll that might be
                                used with god knows what?
2001/7/27 [Science/Space] UID:21965 Activity:high
7/26    Send you name to mars:
        http://spacekids.hq.nasa.gov/2003
        \_ http://spacekids.hq.nasa.gov/2003/getcert3.cfm?uid=1902964
2001/7/27 [Finance/Banking] UID:21966 Activity:nil
7/26    Why are date of birth and mother's maiden name used for identity
        verification purpose?  All your relatives and close friends attend
        your birthday parties and they know who your mother is.  And for
        celebrities even the public knows these info.
        \_ because those companies don't really give a fuck about
           your financial securety.
        \_ you give them the real maiden name?  sheez...  you deserve to
           have your savings swiped.
           \_ I guess I was too naive when I opened my accounts 12 years
              ago.
           \_ Exactly. It is just a "security" code. And if someone steals
              from you, you say there was fradulent activity and you don't
              worry about it.
        \_ Look if you think your family is going to steal from you, you
           should use numbered accounts with otp for all your financial
           transactions.
           \_ Are birth certificates public record?
2001/7/27 [Uncategorized] UID:21967 Activity:nil
7/26    Crystal Method at the virgin megastore in SF tonight for autogrphs.
        now's a good time to give the bandmembers $20 for all those mp3's
        you've downloaded. ... maybe it will scare the record execs.
2001/7/27 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:21968 Activity:kinda low
7/2     Every time alexf sends something to csua lists he does it in a way that
        breaks my procmail rules. Why not just send mail TO csua@csua?
        \_ Isn't there a newsgroup that mirrors csua@csua? Just read that.
        \_ How about:
           :0
           * ^TOalexf@hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu
           /dev/null
           \_ Help yourself. Procmail is your friend. Just don't flame me when
              I forward information pertinent to undergrads to csUa@csUa. I
              would also recommend unsubscribing from csua@csua if you are
              so upset by relatively relevant messages. Oh, and for the
              record, if anyone has a rational argument for why any
              particular message I send to a public mailing list is
              inappropriate to that list, they're more than welcome to
              email me personally about it and their comments WILL be
              considered (rather than /dev/null'ed). -alexf
        \_ Or how about you EMAIL me and ASK, instead of whining about it
           on the motd? I _can_ actually listen to these things you know.
           I happenned to be following the conventions of several other
           mailing lists that were on BCC for that message, and was not aware
           of the fact that people have filters that break without an explicit
           To/CC. Next message to csua@csua from me [whenever that will be]
           will be via explicit CC. -alexf
           \_ don't listen to them alexf. the first guy could use some
              procmail clue and the second guy is just a dumbass. you're
              doing a fine job.
              \_ I want to have your baby, alex
                 \_ I _did_ have your baby, alex.  I want child support.
                    \_ I _AM_ your baby alex, and I want child support too.
2001/7/27-28 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:21969 Activity:nil
7/26    Why does fbsd 4.3 release diable write caching of IDE disks?
        \_ There's an amazingly long thread about this on the freebsd-stable
           mailing list; pull up the list archives and see both sides of
           the argument; the long and short of it is that you can easily
           reenable it yourself: sysctl -w hw.ata.wc=1      --dbushong
        \_ http://24fightingchickens.com/shotokan/heresy/character.html
           \_ WTF?
2001/7/27 [Transportation/Car, Transportation/Airplane] UID:21970 Activity:kinda low
7/26    Are people allowed to take home study or online traffic school in
        Santa Clara county?
        \_ given the drivers in the bay area, i thought all you needed to
           do was show up to the DMV, and mutter "I'm INDIAN, lookee my
           integra powered by curry!" in an Indian accent and *WHAM* you
           get your drivers lic.
           \_ that's BMW, not integra, riceboy.  Oh yesh, BMW.
           \_ for the license, yes, but i'm talking about the traffic ticket
              bribery school
           \_ for the license, yes, but i'm talking about the traffic
              ticket bribery school
           \_ Hurry hurry hurry, buy my rice and curry.
              \_ Good rice, good curry, good Gandhi let's hurry.
                 \_ Who needs the Quick-E-Mart?!
        \_ ask the court yourself.  Or are you preparing to get a ticket?
        \_ Yes.
2001/7/27-28 [Computer/Networking] UID:21971 Activity:high
7/27    If I setup a FreeBSD 4.* box as a DHCP client how will it know what
        ip address to assign to itself?  Will it somehow magically update
        /etc/hosts as needed, or does it use DNS somehow?
              \_ Point your browser at 192.168.1.1 and configure it.  Then
                 use sysinstall to configure BSD for DHCP.
                 \_ And how will /etc/hosts get updated when DHCP server
                    gives my machine a different IP on boot?
        \_ Install WinME/XP/2000/98
        \_ Your DHCP _server_ will assign the IP.  This server is probably
           your own nat box or your ISP.  It doesn't update /etc/hosts, but
           to you might try going through /etc/rc.network and grepping for
           "dhcp" and/or "ifconfig" to see how what happens to the IP after
           it is assigned.
        \_ Depending on how the DHCP server, as well as dhclient (or whatever
           other DHCP client you're using) are configured, you can also
           ask for a whole lot of other configuration (nameservers and things
           like that.)  It's even possible in certain cases to tell the
           DHCP server what values you will be assigned.  -John
           \_ Original poster here.  My DHCP server is my linksys
              router/firewall.  What should I do in this case?
              \_ return it and get a real one like the SMC or the Netgear
                 linksys sucks. read http://www.practicallynetworked.com
                 \_ whatever. mine always worked fine.
                \_ Point your browser at 192.168.1.1 and configure it.  Then
                   use sysinstall to configure BSD for DHCP.
              \_ @Home doesn't support Linksys. Unplug the router, wait five
                 minutes, then plug it in again.
2001/7/27-29 [Uncategorized] UID:21972 Activity:nil
7/27    * SODA WILL BE TAKEN OFFLINE FOR MAINTENANCE SATURDAY AFTERNOON * -root
2001/7/27-28 [Computer/SW/Languages/Web] UID:21973 Activity:high
7/27    So what do people here think of Tomcat/Velocity for web application
        development?  Is there a future in it?  I'm looking for something
        more useful than PHP and something that's not Perl.     -randal
        \_ If you are going to go the Tomcat route, I think it is
           worthwhile taking a look at Struts. JSP is nasty but Struts
           makes it somewhat usable. -payam
           \_ What's wrong with traditional Servlets?
              \_ Separation of the front-end design from the back-end
                 logic is usually considered a good thing.
                 \_ thank you for not capitalizing "good thing"
                 \_ And you can't do this using Servlets because...?
                    \_ Because I'm loath to allow designers to start
                       mucking around with .java files and build scripts.
                       From my experience, it's just too foreign for your
                       average designmonkey. JSP/php/blah files
                       at least look like normal HTML. Plus, today
                       there is reasonable tool support for designers to use.
                       \_ Designers? You mean the artists don't you. The
                          ones who talk about flows and usability and look
                          and feel. My experience has been that we just
                          end up rewriting thier shit anyway. I just use
                          them for icons, style sheets and proofreading.
                          Its all thier english degrees are good for anyway.
                          \_ yeah, you certainly need people to proof-read
                             your stuff.  It's spelled "their," and "it's" is
                             the contraction for which you're looking.  but
                             with all due respect, coders generally don't
                             seem to be good authorities on usability either.
        \_ JSP is evil. Velocity is Perlish (ergo crap). Use the real thing:
                http://freemarker.sourceforge.net
2001/7/27 [Uncategorized] UID:21974 Activity:nil 72%like:21976
7/27    Nathaniel Brazill gets only 28 years in prison instead of life.
        \_ Prosection asked for 40 if they couldn't get life.  Judge
           probably though "Since minimum is 25, and the child is 14,
           I'll just double it to 28 so it's easy for him to remember
           when the defining moment of his life occurred."
       \_ Who is Nathaniel Brazill?
          \_ 14-year-old in Florida who was suspended for throwing water
             balloons.  When he came back, the teacher told him to
             shut up when he was talking with two of his classmates.
             He pulled out a tiny .25 cal handgun and shot him dead.  He
             said that he cocked the pistol to show that he wasn't
             joking, and he did pull the trigger, but he thought the
             safety was on.
        \_ Well, never too early to get that rimjob.
2001/7/27-28 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:21975 Activity:high
7/27    Looks like Linus will probably have to start pimping his baby for
        cash soon:
        http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/20701.html
        \_ What's the point of a company's shareholders sueing the company?
           The money the company has all comes from the shareholders anyway.
           If the company needs to pay a penalty, it'll be the shareholders
           paying themselves.  Right?
           \_ Its fraud. If the shareholders were cheated by the founders,
              the founders will have to pay out of thier own pocket.
        \_ Maybe the threat of shareholder lawsuits might begin to
           convince aggresive marketing/exec types to stop hyping their
           warez so much before they're proven and start being more realistic
           about ship dates.
           \_ the only winners in shareholder lawsuits are the lawyers. -tom
        \_ Isn't Linus a software guy?  Since when did he go into chip
           design?
           \_ He's one of the principles at Transmeta. Unfortunately he knows
              about as much about chip design as he knows about OS design,
              (for the unwashed and holy, he knows didley squat about OS
               design) so basically he ended up overhyping his shit and
              cheating a bunch of poor gullible investors whose only flaw
              was that they believed his snake oil pitch.
2001/7/27 [Uncategorized] UID:21976 Activity:nil 72%like:21974
7/27    Nathaniel Brazill gets only 28 years in prison instead of life.  Damn.
        \_ Prosection asked for 40 if they couldn't get life.  Judge
           probably though "Since minimum is 25, and the child is 14,
           I'll just double it to 28 so it's easy for him to remember
           when the defining moment of his life occurred."
       \_ Who is Nathaniel Brazill?
          \_ 14-year-old in Florida who was suspended for throwing water
             balloons.  When he came back, the teacher told him to
             shut up when he was talking with two of his classmates.
             He pulled out a tiny .25 cal handgun and shot him dead.  He
             said that he cocked the pistol to show that he wasn't
             joking, and he did pull the trigger, but he thought the
             safety was on.
        \_ Well, never too early to get that rimjob.
        \_ good. one less negro robbing the bank.
2001/7/27-28 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:21977 Activity:low
7/27    Is there an easy way to use ssh-agent with KDM so that all my KDE
        processes can use my private key?
        \_ D00D U R 50 '1337 4 U51NG 57R0NG CRYP70! R U BL4CK H47 | WH173
           H47? 1'M S7111 R3D H47!
2001/7/27-28 [Uncategorized] UID:21978 Activity:high
7/27    American Pie 2 is:
        cool:
        a dud:
        not worth the time to d/l it: .
        \_ Who cares?  The preview was even annoying to watch.
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