6/12    How do I do this in sh -- I want to send the output of foo to "| grep"
        and the standard error of foo to /dev/null ???
        \_ foo 2> /dev/null | grep

6/12    Do you need a CSU/DSU for an ISDN line.  If so does Pac Bell supply
        that when they install it?
        \_ yes if its a pri.. no if its a bri.. -shac
        \_ CSU/DSU is something that applies only to T1 lines.  ISDN has
           no such thing.
           \_ if you need anything, it'll be an NT1.

6/12    What happened to soda, seems to have been down until
        about 4:40pm today.  -alexb
        \_ Does no one read the motd.official?  There was a notice there for
           a long-ass time that said soda would be down Jun 12th due to
           AC maintenance.
           \_ Even more embarrassing, it was in the motd itself as a topic.
              \_ I should be taken out and shot!
                 \_ Yeah like anything useful lasts more than 30 seconds.
                    \_ Boy... 30 seconds that last 3 weeks...

6/12    What's the ANSI escape sequence for setting colors 8-15?
        \_ colors 8-15 are just high-intensity versions of colors 0-7.
           to set the high-intensity attribute, use {ESC}[1m
           see also: http://perso.efrei.fr/~marnier/docs/ansi-esc.htm
           --jameslin
           \_ Hm... interesting.  The reason behind this question is that
              colors 0-7 in SSH Secure Shell are very dark.  I'd like to
              use termcap/terminfo to trick programs to using colors
              8-15 (which look normal).  I've tried using Esc[1m, but I
              get the brighter color along with a bold typeface.  I'd like
              to get just the brighter color but not the bold typeface.
              Ideas?
              \_ don't use colorls?
              \_ Unless you can change something in your terminal program's
                 options itself, you're fucked. Try another ssh client.
                 PuTTY is good. Teraterm is usable but doesn't do
                 ansi colors iirc.
                 \_ Teraterm actually does.
                 \_ Putty is nice when you need something fast for a one shot
                    but for daily use I prefer terateam which doesn't feel like
                    someone's HS project.
                    \_ I'm curious -- name one thing that teraterm does better
                       than the current stable version of putty. I've used all
                       3 (ssh.com client, tterm pro, putty) for quite a while
                       and now just use putty because it's acted up much less
                       often than the others.
                       \_ For starters, putty is the only ssh client that will
                          spontaneously drop my connection all day every day.
                          It's not an idle time issue, it'll do it in the
                          middle of typing.  There were a few other personal
                          preference differences but I consider disconnects a
                          serious issue.
                          \_ Strange; I've never had that happen over several
                             months of using putty (unless the network went
                             out with it). Are you sure it's not a problem
                             with your server's sshd (which the other clients
                             may be more tolerant toward)?

6/11    Goddamn you MOTD! Ever since the winking post, I can't stop winking
        at people in office, men and women...
        \_ With all that winking how do you have time to post here?
           \_ I winked it out using morse code

6/13    When I start xterm with "xterm -fn \*bold\*", it comes up with a
        nice looking font.  However, when I start emacs 20.3.1 with "emacs -fn
        \*bold\*", it appears to be using the same font except that the line
        spacing is much bigger.  How do I find out which fonts xterm and emacs
        are actually using?  Or how do I adjust the line spacing in emacs?
        I'm running them under SunOS 5.7 and displaying them on NT via Exceed
        6.0.2.0, if that matters.  Thanks.  -- yuen
        \_ Why don't you go through VNC and PCAnywhere as well while you're
           at it?  And maybe get Cygwin in there somewhere, too.
           \_ The Exceed came with the standard setup by the IS&T people here.
              I didn't install it myself.  -- yuen
           \_ What's wrong with using an X server on NT?
                \_ Speaks for itself.  Think about it.
                   \_ Not really. X on Windows it the best of both worlds.
                      \_ So you get dirt slow graphics over the net on top of
                         a shitty second rate OS?  Yeah... great.

6/12    Text of Mr. Rogers' Darthmouth speech:
http://forums.macnn.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=45;t=006226
        \_ Too long and too low S/N ratio; I actually like Moseley's speech
           better.
        \_ Those fuckers were undeserving.  He should stop giving speeches to
           whining little twits like them.  I would've much preferred Mr.
           Rogers to the nobody we had my year.
        \_ Mr. Rogers is a communist:
           http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a39994a336e.htm
           \_ Here we go with the mindless URL generators again.
           \_ How did he forget Kevin Spacey?
           \_ This is a joke right?
              \_ Nope.  It's off http://freerepublic.com; it MUST be true.
                 \_ If you bothered to read the comments, the other freepers
                    make it very clear the list is bogus.  But of course you
                    didn't even load the url much less read the list there.
                    I'll bet you didn't even know it was pointing to a list.
                    \_ I dunno, I saw a number of freepers making it clear
                       that they "enjoyed" and "appreciated" the list.

6/13    How many pounds have you gained since you graduated and started
        working:
        \_some of us have lost weight, thank you
          \_ gained 30, then lost 50.
        -20+ lbs:       x
             \_ Wow. Me too. Really. Well, gained 20, lost 50.
        -20+ lbs:       xx
        -10 to -20 lbs:
        0 lbs:          x
        -5 to -10 lbs:  xx
        -1 to -5 lbs:
        0 lbs:          xx

        1-5 lbs:        xx

        5-10 lbs:       x

        10-20 lbs:      xx
        20+ lbs:
        \_ 15 freshman year, 5 in college after, 10 after graduation (2000).
           \_ 30 lbs?  You lazy fat fuck!  RIDE BIKE!  USE LINUX!
        \_ end of freshman year weighed 248.  after 5 semesters, left berkeley
           for hayward state, went down to 190.  started working, went up to
           220.  worked from home/joined gym, down to 200 but holding too damn
           stable.
           \_ Fat fucks.
              \_ Fuck you.  Not all of us are skinny dickless twits like you.
                 \_ So it's your dick that has the extra 35 lbs?  What does
                    your boyfriend say about that?
                    \_ I would presume he wouldn't mind at all.  If this was
                       meant instead as a sophomoric attempt at an insult by
                       insinuating the previous person is gay, you really
                       need to grow up
                       \_ You want sophomoric?  "skinny dickless twits like
                          you" is a good start.  Once some dimwit descends to
                          that level, all bets are off.  *You* need to pull
                          your head out of your ass.
                    \_ OH MY GOD!  HE JUS SLAPT MAH FRO!  oh no you DIDN' BE
                       SUGGESTIN' IMA HOMOSEXUAL!
                       \_ Jive or Jar Jar?
                          \_ Does it make a difference?

6/13    Anydbody know of good books/academic articles on the history of
        academic computer science programs? Email fab. Thanx. fab