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2001/10/26 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:22834 Activity:high
10/25   About a month ago my freebsd system started going into suspend mode
        after a certain idle time.  It happens in both kde and ice-wm.  I get
        the following messages:
Oct 25 15:07:16 myhost /kernel: resumed from suspended mode (slept 00:00:03)
Oct 25 15:07:20 myhost /kernel: ata0: resetting devices .. done
Oct 25 15:07:16 myhost apmd[130]: apmevent 000b index 23
Oct 25 15:07:20 myhost apmd: resumed at 20011025 15:07:20
        But I can't figure out how to change this behavior.
        \_ disable the apmd mode?  /etc/hostconfig or something?
           \_ I like having apmd mode; I need to stop whatever is sending
              apmd these suspend requests.
2001/10/26 [Industry/Jobs] UID:22835 Activity:very high
10/25   Okay, why do BART workers need a 22% raise over 4 years?  That's
        way more than inflation.  They can get away with this only because
        the union perceives BART as vital to the area.  In that case, we
        should all boycott BART.
        http://www0.mercurycenter.com/premium/local/docs/054509.htm
        \_ I have no problem with BART. I have no problem with people
           getting raises. I have no problem with people going on
           strike. What I have a problem with is people getting
           guaranteed raises over a set number of years. I have to
           work for my raise. I earn it. No one should get more
           money, no matter how good their work is. We are all
           watching the inbreeding of laziness.
           money regardless of the quality of their work. We are
           all watching the inbreeding of laziness.
        \_ it's extortion, as far as i'm concerned.  fuck them.  if
           i were mayor of sf, that last strike would have ended
           *very* differently.
            \_  These guys, as noted below, aren't even professionaly trained.
                Lots of them earn $60-$80+K for the work they do, and yet
                these motherfuckers complain about not getting paid enough.
                Civil engineers are the guys who should be getting this
                kind of salary (mean = $40K entry), not BART people.  -- jj
        \_ oh come off it, geek boy.  I'm sure you've gotten more than a 22%
           raise over the past 4 years.  -tom
           \_ ya, but he has no union-protected job security. in fact, he's
              probably unemployed.
           \_ I don't hold a gun to anybody's head to get a raise.  There
              lies the difference.
                \_ so you never told anyone, if I don't get this raise I walk?
                   actually you probably didn't have to because until recently
                   most tech comapnies needed oyu and gave you the raise
                   premtivly.  But BART guys don't get to get a solo raise.
                   It is for everyone there or none of them.
                   \_ If one engineer walks, it typically won't cripple
                      the company.  So that's not holding a gun to their head.
                   \_ anyone can do BART jobs. there's no professional skill
                      involved that needs years of training, like e.g. nursing.
                      they don't get a solo raise because they don't f'n deserve
                      one.
              \_ Neither did the BART employees.
           \_ And this last batch was the "professionals" and managers.  Since
              when do managers have a union??  Ridiculous.  Next we'll have
              top level corporate execs with unions bitching to the board
              that they need million$ more per yer or the executive's union
              is going on strike.  It's pure greed.  They should have all been
              fired.  There's *lots* of qualified unemployed people around the
              \_ like any of you geek boys would deign to drive a BART train
                 for a living.  Open your eyes.  -tom
                 \_ Hey, if they're gonna get paid more than us, why not?
              SF Bay Area these days.
              \_ Exactly.  Since the law allows unions to prohibit employers to
                 hire non-union workers or to fire union members during
                 strikes, why doesn't the law also set a limit on how much
                 raise the union can ask for?  If the law is to make it a
                 non-free market, why doesn't the law make it non-free to both
                 sides?
            \____\_ Now you're getting snippy and saying stupid stuff. The
                    low-level managers are mostly promoted up from the ranks.
                    They are paid less than one would expect for their level
                    of experience, but are willing to do the job because of
                    the union and their pensions. Firing them all is plain
                    stupidity. And because unions do vote, they help form
                    the laws which, oddly enough, benefit them.  Sheesh.
                    \_ I don't know about the low-level managers, but I saw
                       a job posting at a station which offers up to $50k+ for
                       an office clark position requiring only high school
                       education.
           \_ Maybe he has gotten more than a 22% raise over the past 4
              years, but he probably did it through promotions.  What the BART
              workers got is 22% over 4 years at the same job positions.
        \_ 22%/4yrs is what they finally got.  What they were asking for was
           even more.  I think it was 29% over 3 years.
2001/10/26 [Uncategorized] UID:22836 Activity:nil
10/25   To the person looking into NSF Fellowship.  The recommendations
        are due on 12/7, not 11/7 like the rest of the app.  Thus, you should
        have time to go and get your profs to fill out the correct form.
2001/10/26 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22837 Activity:nil
10/25   wtf?  Did paolo turn on his auto motd nuking script again?
      _/
   > ps aux | grep paolo
   dans     74537  0.0  0.0   268  128  AW  R+   12:02AM   0:00.00 grep paolo
   I guess that would be no.
2001/10/26 [Reference/Military] UID:22838 Activity:very high
10/26   How come the US doesn't have a special force like the elite British
        SAS? And why do we need to ask the Brits when assasination is needed?
        \_ because the assassinations are illegal according to US law?
        \_ Maybe because the CIA is legally prohibited to carry out
           assasination, so it's not supposed to do that?
        \_ Dude consult someone/web before asking stupid questions!
           the U.S. has a WAY larger Special Force than the Brits. True the
           SAS was the model for Delta force, but that's only counter
           terrorism. There's also Navy SEALs DEVGRU (formerly Team Six).
           not to mention FBI HRT (but they don't operate outside US)
           SF, but not primarily CT, units  are mostly Green Berets, Rangers,
           and Marine Corps MEUs.
        \_ assassination is illegal according to US law, right?
           \_ yep.  it's not ok to blow you up, but it's ok to blow your
              car up.  and if you happen to be in the car when it explodes,
              well, so long as i wasn't targeting you specifically...
2001/10/26 [Uncategorized] UID:22839 Activity:nil
10/26   When a clock is 133MHz, does it mean 133,000,000Hz or 133,333,333Hz?
        Thanks.
        \_ Neither.  It means that the clock speed is most likely somewhere
          between 131MHz and 135MHz:  possibly a smaller tolerance, but
          I can promise you it's not exactly equal to either of your numbers.
2001/10/26 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22840 Activity:nil
10/26   "Small Amount of Anthrax Found at CIA"
        http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011026/us/anthrax_cia.html
        Yup, the CIA deserves the anthrax for being so impotent facing the
        attacks.
        \_ Moron.  No one deserves anthrax.
           \_ So what's wrong with this idea? The culprit targeted big
              figures like Sen. Daschle, Tom Brokaw, Bush, etc... Now,
              there's no single book one could buy that contains those
              people's addresses and other likely terrorist targets.
              Whoever sent them, more likely than not, used the web to
              search for them and almost all web servers keep logs of
              users visiting web pages and searching for things. Couldn't
              they just look through those logs and derive some sort of
              IP correlation to find the culprit?
                \_ IP != identification, as so many of us firewall admins
                   keep screaming at our clients.  Got a laptop?  An AOL CD?
                   Flat-rate local calling so companies/universities have
                   publically accessible phone taps around?  A razor and
                   a button-down shirt so you don't look obviously like a
                   mad terrorist?  There you go.  -John
2001/10/26 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:22841 Activity:nil
10/26   "Iran Says U.S. Paying for Giving Anthrax to Iraq"
        http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011026/ts/attack_iran_anthrax_dc.html
        \_ Pay no attention to the man in front of the screen pleasing
           a domestic constituency. The same day that this statement was made,
           the Iranian ambassador to the US given given a visa so he could
           travel to the US Capitol to have dinner with several Congressmen.
           And you can bet your ass that Rafsanjani had given a thumbs up
           to that trip/dialogue.
           \_ Isn't it interesting that US officials say that Russia, US and
              Iraq are the only 3 known nations which posseses anthrax as
              a biological weapon?  Doesn't Iraq seem out of the place among
              the 3?
                \_ Not really.  Any country willing to spend the bucks could
                   have done it.  Iraq has been spending bucks.  Where's the
                   conspiracy?  They fessed up to multiple tons of the stuff
                   post-1991.  Why are you surprised?  Read a newspaper instead
                   of conspiracy FUD.
              \_ Iraq initiated its biological warfare program in 1985-86.
                 According to the Iraqi's own declaration, they produced 8500
                 liters of concentrated anthrax with some 6000 liters filled
                 into fifty bombs and ten Scud warheads.
              \_ Newsflash:  Isle of Skye in the UK is declared off-limits
                 for several centuries because the soil is so soaked with
                 anthrax and similar shit from military experiments in the
                 1950s.  There is no guard there, you're just forbidden by
                 law to visit, and expected to be sane enough to not do so
                 on your own volition.  Got a boat and a biohazard suit
                 lying around?  -John
                 \_ Is that the Gruinard Island off the NW cost of Scotland
                    where they infected sheeps with anthrax and then buried
                    them?
2001/10/26 [Uncategorized] UID:22842 Activity:nil
10/26   Enjoy it while it lasts, our privacy will soon be gone
        (read http://ucb.org.csua for details)
        \_ Privacy IS NOT anonymity so STFU, you wanker..
           \_ You must have won your High School debate award.
        \_ How about you save us the trouble?
        \_ Not privacy.  However, the arguments in favor of logging the
           motd are fundamentally flawed.  Grow up and get a sense of
           perspective, guys.  -John
2001/10/26 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Kinney] UID:22843 Activity:nil
10/26   [kinney drivel moved to motd.kinney]
        \_ where is that file again?
                \_ locate motd.kinney
2001/10/26 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:22844 Activity:nil
10/26   Is there some way to fake a response to a spam so that the sender
        thinks they have an invalid email address? Rather, I know a way
        exists... but how hard is it to do?
        \_ Sending email is free. Why would a spammer care? They probably
           just sift out everything but the amazingly few responses that
           are actually interested in the services offered and redirect
           them to /dev/null. --ulysses
        \_ /tmp/procmailrc.antispam. it's just something i yoinked off
           the web. put your wanker email list in ~/.spammers. -jeff
        \_ that's a great idea, someone else figure it out for the both
        of us pls.
        \_ The mail has to be from a system account; most mail systems
           aren't configured to let ordinary users do this.  Consequently
           you probably need root access.
           \_ How about just manually replacing the "From:" line in your
              reply mail with "From: postmaster@csua.berkeley.edu"?  Would
              that work?  Hopefully the spam sender won't look into the
              "Sender:" line in your header.  --- yuen
                \_ You're a few years behind in spam tech.
                   \_ I see.  --- yuen
2001/10/26 [Uncategorized] UID:22845 Activity:nil
10/25   Infidels, why are you not providing positive net content to the
        motd?
        \_ Life sucks then you die. Get over it.
2001/10/26-27 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:22846 Activity:kinda low
10/26   What's the difference between a UART and a COM port?  I thought a
        COM port is just a UART wired to a physical 9-pin or 25-pin connector.
        Thanks for any info.
        \_ A COM port is just the Windows take on a serial interface, whether
           it's a UART on the motherboard, a internal modem, or a PCCARD
           modem..

        [Someone nuked the MOTD again.]
2001/10/26 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:22847 Activity:nil
10/16   "I don't know what it is you are doing, but you are going to
        stop doing it!"
        http://www.newsreview.com/issues/sacto/2001-10-25/cover.asp
2001/10/26-27 [Reference/Military] UID:22848 Activity:high
10/26   The F-22 is supposed to replace the F-15.  The JSF is supposed to
        replace the A-10, F-16, and F-18.  Anything going to replace the F-14?
        \_ f-14 to be retired at its EOL.  though, I don't know what if
           anything is going to replace it as a naval interceptor; certainly
           not the f-18.  perhaps the JSF.
        \_ the joint strike fighter will have a carrier variant i believe
        \_ The Navy has been replacing the F-14 with the Super Hornet
           modified F-18s of late in as many cases as possible. Dunno
           what is currently fulfilling the role of a Naval interceptor,
           but considering the current air to air missile tech., and that
           the F-14 was built as a platform for the Phoenix, the use
           of the aircraft isn't so critical anymore...
        \_ Do pilots these days still engage in dog fights these days?  I
           thought they shoot eveything with missiles.
           thought they shoot eveything with missiles nowadays.  So
           maneuverability is less important.
           \_ How about pulling out of a dive bomb with two stingers
              you just noticed on your butt?
        \_ you'd think that. but avoiding friendly fire means waiting until
           you can spot the enemy to kill them. so not quite
2001/10/26-27 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:22849 Activity:high
10/26   "How do I make people nervous?" I asked.
        "By doing whatever you're doing."
        "What am I doing?"
        "I don't know, but whatever it is, you're going to stop doing it!"
        One reporters brush with The War on Terrorism:
        http://www.newsreview.com/issues/sacto/2001-10-25/cover.asp
        \_ Sitting around in a yoga position with your eyes closed with
           cops all around you makes people nervous.
           \_ They had already detained him, forced him to erase his
                pictures and confiscated his pen(!) before that happened.
                Nice try, though.
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