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2001/8/17-19 [Uncategorized] UID:22145 Activity:nil
8/17    Anyone heard abot NetLedger or working for them?  How are they?
        \_ i didn't hear good things about the employment experience
           there -- but will ask around.  if you signyour name, i'll
           email you directly.
        \_ NetLedger will be crushed like a little bug soon enough.  Either
        M$/GreatPlains or Intuit will win that market, despite Ellison's deep
        pockets.
        \_ NetLedger will be crushed like a little bug soon enough.
           Either M$/GreatPlains or Intuit will win that market,
           despite Ellison's deep pockets.
2001/8/17-19 [Computer/HW, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22146 Activity:high
8/16    I'm writing the tcp server and for simplicity I've chosen to
        write it as a concurrent server (call fork() for each client).
        I'd like to limit the max number of concurrent instances of my
        server that can run. I tried looking in Stevens Unix Network
        Programming, but this doesn't seem to be covered. Any ideas? TIA.
        \_ you know, you can't expect the answer to every fucking dumb
           question answered in a book. at some point, the book has to
           assume you have a brain. why don't you just fucking keep
           track of the count of children in the listening process?
           \_ Well, you have to decrement the count in the SIGCHLD
              handler and there is a small possibility that you might
              miss a signal while you are in the handler. I need something
              reliable.
              \_ A reasonable objection, but if this is really an issue,
                 you can store a list of all children, and poll all of them
                 once every {minute,hour,day,week,???} to see if they're
                 all still alive. This is admittedly a hack though. -alexf
                 \_ This is what it looks like I'm going to have to do.
                    Thanks.
              \_ um. no.
                 \_ Not all platforms support reliable signal
                    delivery. One of the systems I need to support
                    does not reliably queue signals.
                    \_ man wait[pid|3|4] this should be reliable, but of
                       course none of us can really help if we don't
                       know anything about the platforms you are using.
        \_ Looking at http://cr.yp.to/ucspi-tcp/tcpserver.html might help.
           It's fairly portable afaik, but djb's coding style is crazy.
                                                     -- misha.
           -c option does what you want.  -- misha.
2001/8/17-19 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/BayArea] UID:22147 Activity:kinda low
8/16    I need a few grams of magnesium.  Are there any chemical supply
        stores in Berkeley? -mjm
        \_ Alfa Aeser: http://www.alfa.com they will send you what you need fast.
        \_ Get a cheap Cube case on ebay.
           http://simson.net/photos/hacks/cubefire.html
        \_ Making your next bomb?
2001/8/17 [Recreation/Humor] UID:22148 Activity:nil
8/17    Is there something wrong with you if your first inclination upon
        hearing that a minor acquaintance committed suicide is to laugh?
        \_ Not really...I've done it a few times! Sometimes, thinking
           about it, I still laugh.
           \_ canned "bitter-learned" first world response.
           \_ Yeah, that's why I asked, I happened to think about this time
              in high school and giggled like a little girl. I think if it had
              been a complete stranger or a close friend I wouldn't have
              laughed. Maybe it was the absurdity of it all.
        \_ I initially laughed when told that a very close friend of mine
           had died in a car accident. I wanted to believe it was a joke,
           even though the person who told me would not joke about something
           like that. Denial is the first stage of psychological defense
           in cases like this. -ausman
2001/8/17-19 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:22149 Activity:nil
8/17    Is there an equiv of lsof -i for NT/2000?  I.e. How do i go
        about finding out what process is controlling (say) port 1025
        on a Win 2000 box?
        \_ try this: http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/freeware/tdimon.shtml
           other useful sysinternals utilites are filemon, process explorer,
           ...
2001/8/17-19 [Uncategorized] UID:22150 Activity:moderate
8/17    How would you define a friend vs. an acquaintance?
        \_ to which would you lend money?
           \_ hmmm.. interesting...
        \_ Someone you would sleep with?
           \_ which is which?
2001/8/17-19 [Computer/SW/RevisionControl, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:22151 Activity:high
8/17    Is a motd history stored somewhere (i.e. past 3 days)?
        \_ *sighhhhh*  Yes.
           \_ Where?  If it's so painfully obvious it should be posted
              somewhere (ie. README)
              \_ It's not obvious.  Someone seems to ask this question
                 at least once a week, like fucking clockwork.
              \_ what readme?  at any rate, maybe it should be added to
                 /csua/share/doc/FAQ
                 \_ Then people will start asking if there's a FAQ and
                    where it is.
                    \_ a copy of the FAQ is created in the home directory of
                       new users. (why isn't it a link?)
        \_ I have a script that makes an RCS update of the motd whenever it
           notices the motd change.  My RCS archives of the motd date back
           about 2 years.  Its in ~mehlhaff/tmp/motd,v.  You'll have to
           learn a little about rcs to figure out how to read it.  -ERic
2001/8/17-19 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22152 Activity:moderate
8/17    How can a user put items on the CSUA public FTP server?
        \_ The csua public FTP server or some other public FTP server?
           \_ CSUA.
        \_ the CSUA public FTP is maintained but deprecated.
           you can put files up for public HTTP access instead,
           via your public_html directory. if you have a good
           reason to insist on FTP, mail root. --jwang
           \_ old people, like old profs, are used to using FTP
              like the guvmit.
2001/8/17-19 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/Domains] UID:22153 Activity:low 71%like:21940
8/17    Another sendmail and DNS question. If A is cnamed to B and B is
        mxed to C, does mail to foo@A automatically go to the MX for B ?
        \_ Is A in the same domain as B?  i.e., is it like this
           A = <DEAD>foo.bar.com<DEAD>, is a CNAME for B = <DEAD>baz.bar.com<DEAD>
           or this
           A = <DEAD>foo.garply.com<DEAD> is a CNAME for B = <DEAD>baz.bar.com<DEAD>
           \_ Same domain, but why does that matter, as long as relaying
              rules dont come into play ?
2001/8/17 [Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:22154 Activity:high
8/17    Apparently a liberal immigration policy doesn't seem to work:
        http://www.townhall.com/columnists/phyllisschlafly/ps20010131.shtml
        \_ written by phyllis schlafly... hmm... must resist...
           responding to troll.... will... fading...rapidly...
        \_ Look either immigrants come or capital leaves. Take your pick.
2001/8/17-19 [Reference/RealEstate] UID:22155 Activity:moderate
8/17    Anybody looking to buy a house?  Do you care to comment on the housing
        market in the bay area now?  I heard things have cooled down a lot
        since early 2000.  Thanks.
        \_ From what I see, prices just aren't growing as fast as they were,
           but they're still increasing. Compare average/median prices year
           over year...I saw this in the paper and they still increased,
           but expensive houses increased much less (and averages being what
           they are, some of those will have decreased).
        \_ Ditto. It's not that the prices are going DOWN, it's just the
           price increase that's slowing. My agent said condos/townhouses are
           most likely to close under asking price, but then someone else might
           argue that condos/townhouses' resale value isn't as hot as that of
           single family residence (i.e. house). Approach with caution, wait
           out the market until after this summer. Inventory seems to be more
           abundant so far. - jthoms (also looking for a hse)
        \_ Prices are certainly declining in many regions.  With interest rates
           where they are, it's a good time to be a cautious buyer.  Find the
           home you really want.  If you have to compromise, wait.
        \_ In Southern California, inventories are very, very low. I think
           a lot of people (buyers and sellers) are waiting. What they are
           waiting for I have no idea. --dim
        \_ Houses are sitting on the market much longer. I think it is
           only a matter of time before prices start to go down.
        \_ it's called denial. virtually every single buyer is into denial.
           wait a few months and prices will start crashing down. it is just
           like the real estate of the 80s
2001/8/17-19 [Consumer/PDA] UID:22156 Activity:high
8/17    Palm buys Be. Merger of the also rans:
        http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/21080.html
        \_ Um... how is Palm an "also ran"?
           \_ Palm's prices are rising, while the quality
              is dropping. They are trying to improve
              revenue by selling their OS to third parties.
              These are clear signs that the company is
              fast becoming an also ran.
              Let's not forget that platform consolidation
              has started in the small device market; cell
              phones and pages merging is the first step.
              Some of them already feature most of a pda's
              functionality. It won't be long now.
              \_ Yes but Spock has a TriCorder (PDA) and
                 Communicator (Cellphone). Surely this means
                 that PDAs and Cellphones will be separate
                 even in the future.
        \_ Palm is exactly where Netscape was a few years ago.
           Nuff said? Incidentally, IE still crashes as often
           as Netscape for me... -=Aubie
           \_ All who bow before Bill will be rewarded.
              Those who are in the way of the XP Revolution will
              be sent to the Microsquish re-education facilities.
2001/8/17-19 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java, Science/GlobalWarming] UID:22157 Activity:nil
8/17    Java and Linux are set to rule the world:
        http://www.zdnet.com/eweek/stories/general/0,11011,2804967,00.html
2001/8/17-19 [Politics/Domestic] UID:22158 Activity:high
8/17    http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010816/wr/leisure_angry_dc_1.html
        ANgRY little asian girl from UCB
        \_ Somehow I don't find this cartoon very humorous, its just
           lame like UserFriendly.
           \_ UserFriendly sucks.  Their jokes have the humor level
              of "Yeah, like Windows crashes."
        \_ Tell me this doesn't remind you of psb and make you chuckle:
           http://angrylittleasiangirl.com/comicstrip43.htm
        \_ Tell me this doesn't remind you of every heavy-handed dumb liberal
           at Berkeley and make you grimace:
        \_ Tell me this doesn't remind you of every heavy-handed dumb
           liberal at Berkeley and make you grimace:
           http://angrylittleasiangirl.com/comicstrip47.htm
           \_ There are no dumb liberals in Berkeley. Dumb liberal is an
              oxymoron. Dumb Republican, on the other hand...
              \_ WTF are you talking about? How about BAMN?  Berkeley
                 liberals are the reason I have to label myself as
                 neither, even though I agree with most leftist values.
                 These stupid people and their identity politics have
                 ruined everything.  Locke would be turning over in
                 his grave.
                 \_ bamn are cointelpro, look at their funding srcs
                \_ BAMN are detroit trotskyist transplants, even
                   Berkeley liberals realize they have a hidden
                   agenda and shun them.  if you really care I can
                   send you a bunch of articles on the subject.  -danh
                   \_  Today, I saw a dog,
                       Yes, a dog.
                       Talking to a pig,
                       Yes, a pig.
                       They were on the pavement,
                       Discussing Trotsky.
                       Not brotsky or crotsky or drotsky or frotsky.
                       But Trotsky.                  - The People's Poet.
           \_ What's wrong?  That non-whites are Americans is a PC idea?
           \_ Liberals don't like the pledge, the flag or people acting
              patriotic in general. After all these things were conceived
              in the minds of dead white male oppressors. I think that
              this particular cartoon would make the PC people more
              unhappy than anyone else. Oh the humanity of children
              making an affirmation to GOD! Oh the horror!
              \_ Liberals just don't like the comic because it's not funny.
                 We like pledge just fine.  It's lemony, and you can get
                 high off it when you're in a pinch.
              \_ Liberals dislike patriotism because conservatives are so
                 full of it.  Patriotism is basically a conservative's
                 way of saying, "I'm right and you're wrong. Get the heck
                 out of this country because you don't agree with me."
                 Talk about undemocratic. --jeffwong
        \_ Another reason why women (that includes angry little asian
           girls) >> men.  Women for the most part are level-headed enough
           not to get sucked into these quality political "discussions".
2001/8/17-19 [Uncategorized] UID:22159 Activity:moderate
8/17    Hot Job Alert:
        http://www.house.gov/gcondit/intern_opportunities.htm
        \_ Especially note the "National Center for Missing & Exploited
           Children" logo on the bottom left of the page.  Condit supports
           the Center by making sure they have someone to look for.
2001/8/17 [Uncategorized] UID:22160 Activity:nil
8/17    http://www.wickedweasel.com/contributors/contris/Ams/contri09/contri04.jpg      - eeew.
        \_ Who's that?
           \_ someone who should not be wearing apparel like that.
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