Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2001:June:01 Friday <Thursday, Saturday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2001/6/1 [Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:21400 Activity:very high
5/31    Is there anyone else who find O'Reilly books to be poorly organized?
        I often find myself spending lots of time hunting for details in
        big, poorly named chapters like "The Gory Details".
        \_ yes.
        \_ no.
        \_ maybe.
        \_ so.
        \_ no, but since I'm playing hard to get, I really mean yes.
        \_ Censored comment restored: O'Rielly quality has gone down
           considerably, while SAMS and McGraw-Hill have increased
           quality to the point where they are all more or less equal.
           Given the latest trends its only a few years until O'Rielly
           is really shitty and SAMS and McGraw-Hill are useful.
           \_ yeah, yeah, blah, blah. who cares.
2001/6/1-3 [Industry/Jobs] UID:21401 Activity:kinda low
5/31    My bi-annual bonus/raise is coming up. What should I expect given
        the crappy market it is now?
        \_ 10% of your salary, no less. Seriously? uh... doesn't this
           completely depend on your contract/performance?
        \_ Depends on your company's financial situation.  My company
           postponed the raise to November.  Everyone in my company
           seemed satisfied since no salary reduction or layoff was
        \_ Ask for more than you think you can get. It won't hurt. I used
           to feel uncomfortable doing that, but more often than not the
           answer is "Yes" or "Yes, but...". When they start saying "No"
           is when you should ease off. --dim
           \_ This is true in most cases.
2001/6/1-2 [Science/Electric] UID:21402 Activity:kinda low
5/31    most of the electricity goes into refrigeration and AC. Why can't
        they invent a motor driven compressor which may be noisier, but
        much more efficient?
        \_ consumer goods aren't designed to be efficient. (cf. lightbulbs)
        \_ physics 7C.
        \_ Swamp cooler
2001/6/1-2 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:21403 Activity:high
5/31    btw, just to clear it up.  Hotmail runs iis/win2k:
        \_ Yeah we know.  They moved it off FreeBSD because it was too
           embarrassing for bill.
        \_ Not exactly.  The front end is several thousand PCs running
           windows, but on the back they are one of Sun's largest customers
           in the western US.  Hundreds of UE 4500s with something like half
           a petabyte worth of T3 disk arrays.  Incidentally, when they
           switched from freebsd to windows for the front end, they scaled
           up the number of machines handling the front end by a third.
           \_ this is pretty awesome, if true. Do you have something to
              substantiate this claim?
              \_ It sounds like something called a Trade Secret to me.
                 You should be grateful you even know. Either that or
                 it is just bullshit. I guess you have to decide which
                 is more likely.
                 \_ hmm... well, its on the motd, so...
              \_ I know some people there.  If you're curious about their
                 setup, why don't you just email root@hotmail and ask them
                 about it?  They run the largest mail server in the world;
                 do you think they're not proud of what they've built?
            \_ "FreeBSD, a UNIX-like system similar to the Linux operating
               system, was used to run ......"  M$ is so creative when it
               comes to bashing Linux.
               \_ how is that sentence "bashing Linux"?
                  \_ First they're replacing FreeBSD with Win2K for whatever
                     weaknesses they claim FreeBSD has, then they're trying to
                     imply that those weaknesses also exist in Linux by
                     unnecessarily mentioning Linux in the document even though
                     Linux has nothing to do with the Hotmail servers.
                     \_ well, they provide this handy footnote at the very end
                        that rectifies the implied bashing of both platforms:
                        "There obviously are multi-tasking/multi-process
                        solutions that Hotmail could have leveraged under
                        FreeBSD. However, they would require making
                        application modifications and rework to implement. So,
                        this was an optimum opportunity to examine other
                        options and platforms."   (no comment...)
2001/6/1-3 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21404 Activity:very high
5/31    Does anyone have the login/pw for the private space at  We shouldn't have to be paying for access..esp.
        things like the silent hill 2 full trailer.
             \_ Will somebody please provide a valid login/pass?  They
                fucking cut off the last Hideo Kojima interview on the
                subject of mgs2...damnit..that chafes my hide.
        \_ sign yer name -shac
           \_ oh come on. the rest of the motd wants to know too.
        \_ l: phil
           p: vahmifqy
        \_ They have to pay reporters, editors, webmasters, sys admins,
           electricity bills, network connection bills, and much more - why
           shouldn't you have to pay them back for some of it?  The dream of
           an advertiser-supported internet is dead - ads don't pay enough.
           \_ pay should be voluntary, like the PBS model.  If you like what
              you get, you should donate some cash, but you shouldn't have
              to pay before seeing the goods.
              \_ that's ridiculous.
              \_ Communism is dead, kid.
                    \_ psb is a communist?
                 \_ This isn't communism.  If it were communism, everyone would
                    be forced to pay the government, and the government would
                    be funding and running everything.  Voluntary donations are
           than in a piece of shit rm or WMP format.  Is that too much to ask?
           Damn ign bastards...*sigh*
                    completely different.
                    \_ "You shouldn't have to pay before seeing the goods."
                       There is that "should" there that I don't like.  The
                       mentality seems to be that the consumer can dictate
                       to the producer their terms.  In a truly free society,
                       all contracts are voluntary.
                 for Linsux.
                       \_ what's wrong with that?  we're in a capitalist society
                          driven by consumerism; why shouldn't consumers dictate
                          what they want?
                          \_ because you're an idiot.  you don't get to decide
                             *after* you use something whether you want to
                             pay for it.  -tom
                             \_ you do if you have access to warez. long live
                                warez! cd images galore! i wonder when someone
                                will finally crack down on newsgroup piracy?
           \_ Property is theft!
       \_ regardless of what anyone agrees on,  login: phil
           p: vahmifqy  doesn't work.  Someone please provide a valid
           login/pw.  It's not like I can't get it at one of the
           other sites;  I'd just rather have it in quicktime format
           than in a piece of shit rm or WMP format.  Is that too much
           to ask? Damn ign bastards...*sigh*
           \_ COMMIE MAC USER!!!
              \_ QuickTime runs on Windows and there is even mov player
                 for Linux.
                  \_ The Windows Media Player much better than real, QT or
                     anything similar out there.
                     \_ WMP? Good? Surely you jest. AVI and ASF are total
                        POS. The quality is terrible and the playback
                        frequently hangs esp. if you try to stream a file.
                        QuickTime at least has decent stream and playback.
                         \_ I know not of AVI/ASF.  What i know is that
                            when i play the SAME file with REAL it looks
                            like crap, when i play it with WMP it looks good.
                            \_ you need to study harder. the correct answer
                               is "M$ SUC|<Z U53 L1NUX!" and not worry about
                               whether something works for you or not.
2001/6/1-3 [Transportation/Car, Transportation/PublicTransit] UID:21405 Activity:high 61%like:22140
6/01    Low-key bike ride on Saturday, 6/2, meeting at 10:00 AM at Rockridge
        BART.  Route at
        Mail ride-bike-request for details.
        \_ "4 legs is better than 2."
           \_ Four legs good, two leggers BETTER.
        \_ car train.  Meet on Sat, drive around bikers and laugh at them.
           Hand out training wheels and diapers.
           \_ I'm in. My wife and I will bring our matching Suburbans.
        \_ is it true bikers are gay?
           \_ the gay ones are.
           \_ Yes.
           \_ No.
              \_ It's okay.  Those strange feelings you have are completely
                 natural.  Come out and let your inner beauty shine!
2001/6/1-3 [Uncategorized] UID:21406 Activity:nil
6/01    Anyone here unfortunate to work in a place using Quintus CustomerQ?
        I would be grateful for some help/tips.  -John
        \_ Hey, Quintus has a nifty prolog implementation!
2001/6/1-2 [Industry/Startup] UID:21407 Activity:high 60%like:22238
5/31    What's a good Bush stock to buy?
        \_ Hooked on Phonics.
        \_ hustler?
        \_ fluor-daniel.  They're building 1 outta every 3 new powerplants
           in the nation.
        \_ Invest in Denial.
           \_ Denial is policy. - the Smoking Man
                                      \_ Cancer Man
                                         \_ The Cigarette Smoking Man
                                            \_ Tracheotomy Man.
                                               \_ Radioactive Man.
                                                  \_ Particle Man.
                                                  \_ Fallout Boy.
                                                     \_ Nucyular Man.
                                                        \_ Commie Mutant Traitor
                                                      Anti-Capitalist Man _/
                                                Clueless Man _/
              \_ Denial is a river in egypt you fool.
                 \_ New, improved Denial: a policy _and_ a river in Egypt.
2001/6/1-3 [Uncategorized] UID:21408 Activity:low 61%like:21399
6/01    This has GOT to be a hoax:
        \_ Maybe, but I could hate someone for $50k
        \_ How do you find these things? The auction, not hatred.
        \_ Why pay money when you can have it for free?
           \_ The more hate the better, though. Just one person can only
              generate so much.
2001/6/1-2 [Uncategorized] UID:21409 Activity:nil 72%like:21417
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2001/6/1-3 [Consumer/PDA] UID:21410 Activity:nil
        \_ when is openwave going to buy palm already?
2001/6/1-3 [Uncategorized] UID:21411 Activity:nil
6/1     IC3 and the revenge of Bobby Flay begins tonight!
2019/01/15 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular
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