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2001/9/10 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:22360 Activity:very high 66%like:22353
9/9     Take the red pill:
        http://www.wholeearthmag.com/ArticleBin/374.html
        \_ i will save the rest of you the trouble:
           "capitalism bad, communism good".
           \_ If that is what you got from it, I question your reading
              comprehension skills. It is no way complimentary of
              comprehension skills. It is no way complementary of
              communism.
              \_ I love it when morons criticize people.  "Duh, your
                 reading comprehension sucks."  Look up "complementary",
                 it doesn't mean what you think it means.
                 \_ Your vocabulary sucks too. "comlementary" !=
                    "complimentary". Look it up. He, unlike you, used
                    the word correctly.
                    \_ this is unfair. someone corrected the original post.
              \_ well, okay, maybe just "capitalism bad". not sure what other
                 point the overlong drivel had. at some point i ceased caring.
              \_ I think either the article failed to point out that the USSR,
                 being the biggest communist country, also did more or less
                 the same things as mentioned in the article, or it purposely
                 avoided that fact.
                 \_ What does USSR have to do with it?
                    \_ The article seems to blame warfare and imperialism on
                       capitalism, while in fact those problems were common to
                       both capitalism and communism.  It's like when someone
                       finds that a big percentage of students in every
                       university cheats in their exams, he writes an article
                       on the topic "a big percentage of students in University
                       biased.
                       X cheats in their exams".  It's not incorrect, but it's
                       unfair.
                       \_ I guess that is one way to think about it. But I don't
                          know anyone who seriously advocates a communist
                          dictatorship as a response to the problems of
                          limited democracy and corporate control of the media.
                       both capitalism and communism.
                       biased.
                       \_ I guess that is one way to think about it.
        \_ sorry, i couldn't get past the stupid matrix analogy.
           "The propaganda lies of yesterday were recorded and
           became consensus history--the fabric of the matrix."
           I just can't make myself believe that anyone who could
           say this with a straight face has anything reasonable
           to say.
        \_ Donate all your belongings to PETA and go live in a cave
           deep in the forest.
           \_ DEEP in the forest.  I don't want to run into you
              on a random hiking trip.
           \_ People for the Eating of Tasty Animals?
2001/9/10 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:22361 Activity:high
9/10    Antimasturbation devices for csua members (no pun):
        Check out http://free.freespeech.org/shockingtruth/pittjohnson.html
        esp. the quotes at the bottom.  These guys are serious...
        \_ It can't be real.  How do you pay for something priced at 34.99
           pound sterling in British currency?  -- not from Britain
        \_ too bad it isn't true.
        \_ It can't be real.  How do you pay for something at 34.99 pound
           sterling in British currency?
           \_ it's obviously not real
2001/9/10 [Computer/HW/CPU, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:22362 Activity:moderate
9/9     What the hell is wrong with you people?  LinuxWorld
        just passed and there was NOT ONE MENTION of it on
        the motd!  Don't you know that i COUNT on the motd to
        keep me informed of geek stuff like this?
        \_ Every second exhibitor was a hardware company. The biggest booths
           were those of IBM (biggest and most visible), Compaq, HP and Sun
           along with Intel and AMD. Dell and SGI were not there. Plus, there
           were RedHat, Mandrake, SuSE, VaLinux/OSDN, Ximian, Debian, FSF and
           other usual suspects. Unlike before, there wasn't much free gear
           like CD's and t-shirts though you could pickup lots of magazines
           and get massage for free. There wasn't much new this year, really.
           Probably slashdot and such have better coverage of this event..
        \_ Who cares about Linux (and LinuxWorld)?
        \_ lisux
2001/9/10 [Recreation/Dating] UID:22363 Activity:moderate
9/9     http://web2.iadfw.net/~elo/news/statue.html
        \_ too bad it isn't true.
        \_ Virgin Mary having sex with Jesus?  Wasn't she his mother?
          \_ Maybe he was taking cues from Oedipus.
          \_ But Jesus is also God, so he is also her mate. Or something. He's
             the son of himself.
2001/9/10 [Recreation/Shopping] UID:22364 Activity:nil
9/9     Where can I buy a shopping cart? Don't want to resort to stealing
        one.
        \_ I've seen some people have this folding version of
           a shopping cart before.  Maybe K-Mart or Walmart?
        \_http://www.mcmaster.com and search for shopping cart
           \_ cool site, thanks, but the prices are pretty damn steep.
2001/9/10 [Recreation/Humor] UID:22365 Activity:very high
9/10    Developers, developers, developers, developers!  -John
        \_ stop plagurizing. --sballmer
        \_ stop plagiarizing. --sballmer
           \_ M$ has all rights to the word "developer"?
              \_ No, but repeating the word four times with an exclamation
                 point... nevermind, you missed John's joke.
                 \_ I know jokes get ruined when you explain them, but
                    I didn't get this either... care to fill us in?
2001/9/10 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:22366 Activity:nil
9/10    Hey, anyone worked with Windows resolvers?  Particularly 95, 98, ME?
        I'm trying to discern what it can support in terms of encoding (i.e.i
        if it can handle 8-bit clean or even better supporting Unicode/UTF-8)
2001/9/10 [Uncategorized] UID:22367 Activity:low 66%like:21592
9/10    [ kinney's drivel deleted.  Learn what 'shannon limit' is. ]
        \_ that was regurgitated drivel from july. i think you've been had.
           -kd historian.
2001/9/10 [Finance/Investment] UID:22368 Activity:very high
9/10    panel of economist say recovery by year's end.. time to put money
        back into the  market.
        \_ sign your name, cmlee, so we know when the anti-analyst is speaking
        \_ And the economic growth is supposed to be fueled by.....
           stock trading?
           \_ no but if you are holding off investing because fear of recession,
              this should be good news
2001/9/10 [Computer/SW/WWW/Server] UID:22369 Activity:high
9/10    I've decided to be lazy and helpless and come
        crawling to the motd for help. RTFM is SO HARD!
        So, i installed a custom cert about a year ago.
        (apache-ssl) now it's expired.  How do i update?
        \_ remake the cert.
2001/9/10-11 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:22370 Activity:very high 66%like:36269
9/10    What are some last names that could be Asian, Caucasian, and Black?
        I'll start first:
        lee
        ???
        Park
        \_ The "Lee" among Chinese and Koreans are indeed the same last name.
           Of course this "Lee" is not actually related to the "Lee" among
           Caucasians and Blacks.  (Is that "Lee" short form of "Leland"?)
           \_ don't you know General Robert E. Lee was Chinese/Korean
           Caucasians and Blacks.
        ???
        Park
        \_ What distinguishes Caucasian last names from Black? Unless you
           mean African?
           \- are there black lilas? [that sounds like a magic card].
           there are white, indian, middle eastern lilas. ok tnx --psb
        \_ Rosa Parks was black, not Korean.
                \_ And her last name was Parks, not Park.
                   \_ As written. Also, originally I wrote Park(s) to emphasize
                      the difference. Very similar names can be held by very
                      different racial groups.
        \_ Who really cares?
           \_ Just for fun.
        \_ -ian is common amongst Armenians.
           \_ The original poster was referring to Caucasian people as in the
              white race, not as in the people that live in the Caucasus, a
              mountainous region on the south of the eastern european Russia.
              As someone who was born in Caucasus, I do hate that Americans
              could not come up with a better term for "white people" -akopps
              \_ caucASIAN.
              \_ what about Chris Rock's suggestions, such as "yakoo" or
                 "honkaloid"?
        \_ Chandrasekhar
        \_ Rosa Park(s) was black, not Ko-Rean.
        \_ Robert E. Lee, your friendly Confederate General Chinese/Korean
        \_ This thread sucks.
2001/9/10-11 [Uncategorized] UID:22371 Activity:low
9/10    Can anyone recommend a good video capture card for a PC? What are useful
        features to have in one? Thanks.
        \_ http://arstechnica.infopop.net/OpenTopic/page?q=Y&a=tpc&s=50009562&f=67909965&m=352092621
2001/9/10-11 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:22372 Activity:low
9/10    Anybody know what happened to http://best.com after the verio buyout?  Seems
        like they no longer support their unix shell users.  Can somebody
        recommend another ISP that's fully supporting their unix shell users
        with web hosting and POP, etc?  Thanks.
        \_ I'm still using http://best.com's shells, but it's true that they seem
           rather orphaned.   -tom
           \_ not to mention they wont bother to set up a single
              non-forwarding SMTP gateway. Their current ones
              ALL allow forwarding ifyou claim an "@best.com" From:
              address. Idiots.
              I'd love a better suggestion for ssh access, web hosting,
              and newsreading, for $30 a month or less.
              \_ I use <DEAD>io.com<DEAD> for ssh access to a shell account for $10/month.
                 Note that I do not get dialup access (or any sort of
                 network connection).
2001/9/10-11 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:22373 Activity:moderate 50%like:21470 50%like:22630
9/10    What the fuck? The MOTD has been awfully bland and sparse lately.
        \_ In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been
           granted the role of entertaining man in his hour of maximum boredom.
           I do not shrink from this responsibility -- I welcome it.
           I do not believe that any of us would exchange places with any other
           people or any other generation.
           The energy, the faith, the devotion which we bring to this endeavor
           will light our motd and all who read it -- and the glow from that
           fire can truly light the world.
           And so, my fellow Sodans:
           Ask not what the motd can do for you;
           Ask what you can do for the motd.
           My fellow citizens of the world:
           ask not what the motd will do for you,
           but what together we can do for the entertainment of man.
           \_ this is one of the funniest retorts I've seen in the last
              couple of weeks!  -zapruder's #1 fan
2001/9/10-11 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:22374 Activity:high
9/10    When and when isn't == equivalent to equals() in regard to Objects?
        \_ == is reference equality (true iff it is the same instance of the
           String s1 = "foo"; String s2 = "foo";
           object).  You can overload equals() to do anything you want,
           in principle; by convention, it is used to test whether the objects
           are semantically different.  Default implementation of equals()
           (in class Object) simply does reference comparison with ==.
           One common class that overloads equals() is String; it is not
           very intuitive when two Strings are == or !=.  See 3.10.5 of
       http://java.sun.com/docs/books/jls/second_edition/html/lexical.doc.html
           Compare Strings with equals() unless *both* Strings are intern()ed.
           Compare Objects with equals() if the method could be overloaded,
           doesn't matter otherwise.  If this all is too complicated,
           that's because Java is broken.  -- misha
           \_ yeah, perl is much better    -- troll
              \_ Fix your garbage collection. -- troll2
        \_
           String s1 = new String("foo"); String s2 = new String ("foo");
           String s1 = "foo"; String s2 = "foo";
           (s1.equals(s2))      //TRUE, because of String's 'equals' impl
           \_ Correct.
           (s1 == s2)           //FALSE, because they don't point at the
                                        same objects
           (thanks for the correction)
           \_ This is correct when s1 and s2 are assigned at
              runtime. If s1 and s2 are assigned to literals as above,
              the strings will be interned. So (s1 == s2) as you have
              it is true. But (s1 == "food".substring(0, 3)) is false
              because the substring call happens at runtime.
2001/9/10-11 [Uncategorized] UID:22375 Activity:nil
9/10    hola, we [lbl/aciri] are looking for people interested to work on
        the BRO intrusion detection system. the work will be supervised by
        the depveloper, vern paxon, who is a well-known security and
        networking researcher. see ~psb/BRO.labor and/or drop me a line
        if you are interested or have any questions. ok tnx. --psb
2001/9/10 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:36259 Activity:nil
9/10    I got a class action lawsuit paper from Accuvue. How long would it
        take to get my cash after I file it?
2001/9/10 [Uncategorized] UID:36260 Activity:nil
9/10    Article URL
        \_ lame summary
           \_ You're stupid
              \_ No your stupid
                 \_ No, you're stupid.
              \_ Ok I'm a little dumb.
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