Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2002:May:07 Tuesday <Monday, Wednesday>
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2002/5/7 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:24732 Activity:high
5/7     "California: Surprise culprit in energy price rigging
        (the state itself!)"
        Doesn't get much better than this - VP Cheney must have
        have been using mind control.
        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/678327/posts
        \_ Um..  sounds like idiots in the ISO trying to cover their collective
           ass.  I see nothing "politically" motivated here.  just dilbertism
           at its finest and most disgusting.
        \_ http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/07/business/07ENRO.html
           And stop deleting this, coward.
                \_ Eh, the New York Times is nothing but a shill for the
                   Federal Government. See the Wen Ho Lee case.
                \_ No one is afraid of a NYT article on anything.  Save your
                   self the trouble.
                   \_ Because the only way the NYT will ever win your support
                      is if the staff is replaced with a bunch of uneducated
                      NRA-card-carrying Texans with a one-sided point of view,
                      right?
2002/5/7-8 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Computer/SW/Languages/Misc, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:24733 Activity:insanely high
5/7     So how does /csua/bin/me record my identity?
        \_ It doesn't.  people are stupid.
           \_ All I was referring to was the fact that other users will see
              that you have a lock on the file, and then see new contents.
              Duh.
              \_ ...As opposed to editing the file in vi, finding that it's
                 locked, and running fstat anyway?  Whatever. -geordan
                 \_ fstat is a violation of my privacy rights.  I insist it
                    be deleted immediately.
                \_ Well, an alternative is to copy the motd, edit, then copy
                   back. You can diff to see if someone else changed it, and
                   manual merge. This way I never clobber anyone, of course
                   now I'm learning that other people feel free to clobber
                   me because I didn't lock the file before *they* started
                   editing. Well fuck you with a spoon.
                   \_ The whole point of this is that what _you're_ doing
                      is forcing EVERYONE ELSE to manually merge the motd
                      as well.  As most of us actually have lives, we are
                      asking those of you who are so scared of what you
                      say that you can't own up to it to either use the
                      lock or not complain. --scotsman
                      \_ Actually, I shouldn't make the assumption that
                         "most of us" have lives.  My apologies.  --scotsman
                      \_ no one is afraid.  they just don't care.  it isn't
                         important who said what.  and how the hell hard is it
                         to manually merge?  diff?  patch?  c'mon.  sometimes
                         I like what someone else has said on a topic better
                         than what I said and don't even bother putting mine
                         in.  it goes both ways.  its the motd.  relax.
                   \_ ok, fine, i'm wrong. except of course this way ppl
                      have to wait for slow typers and stuff like that.
        \_ read the script.  damn..
           \_ That probably requires enough clue to understand it. -geordan
                \_ It's not that hard.
                   \_ I realize; I looked at the script and saw nothing
                      that would hint at a lasting record of my identity
                      that ps -aux|grep motd.public wouldn't give.  That'
                      why I was wondering-- op
                        \_ emacs -nw ; C-xC-f /etc/motd.public ;
                           Now no one knows who you are unless they
                           happen to be running lsof for the few usecs
                           when you C-xC-s.
                           \_ U'R $O sUP34 733+ K@n 1 l3AR|V fR0M U 0 733T
                              mA$tUR?
                              \_ He wants to be anonymous, emacs is about
                                 as anonymous as you can get
                                 \_ then he's _rude_ and anonymous, and will
                                    have to deal with me overwriting his drivel
                                    because he refuses to use a lock.
                                    \_ so he'll deal.  its not like half or
                                       more of us aren't watching with scripts
                                       anyway.  emacs is hardly anonymous. I
                                       spent about 3 minutes writing a few tiny
                                       scripts that lets me figure out who is
                                       writing what about 90% of the time. you
                                       know what?  i find it doesn't matter.
                                       since i dont maintain a 'twink points'
                                       file and don't take the motd personally
                                       or seriously it just doesn't matter.
                                       you're all a bunch of two faced liars
                                       anyway posting to both sides of many
                                       threads.
                                       \_ That's a bald lie.
                                          \_ No it's not.
2002/5/7-8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:24734 Activity:high
5/6     So what happened with ESR? Pizza was good and all.... -jhs
        \_ What a lame ass. I want my money back.
        \_ why would he want to talk to a bunch of berkeley kids?
           \_ D00D H3 W45N'7 H3R3 2 T41K 2 4 BUNCH 0F K1D5! H3 W45
              H3R3 2 T41K 2 FU7UR3 '1337 GN00/L1NUX OP3N S0URC3 H4X0R5!
                \_ I must be getting old, I can't read this anymore...
                   \_ "dude, he wasnt here to talk to a bunch of kids! he was
                      here to talk to future elite gnu/linux open source
                      hackers!"  (youre welcome and I'm ashamed)
                      \_ It's a luser rosetta stone!
2002/5/7 [Uncategorized] UID:24735 Activity:nil
5/6     I'm 9 years outa school and I need to know how to figure out the
        transpose of a matrix. I no longer have that Boyce/Diprima book.
        Help.
        \_ Isn't the transpose just rotated 90 degrees?
         \_ twinks: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Transpose.html
            \_ yes.  in school or out.  this is *the* site.
         \_ no, it's a mirror image along the diagonal.  sigh.  kids these
            days.
        \_ for matrix A of entry a_ij of size mxn, transpose of A, lets
           say has size nxm of entry b_ij = a_ji
2002/5/7-8 [Reference/BayArea, Consumer/Audio] UID:24736 Activity:kinda low
5/6     And if you can't make it to Berkeley for your IP fix, the meeting
        topic of the Silicon Valley WebGuild (http://www.webguild.org is on
        intellectual property with a panel of speakers, including a
        representative from the  EFF.  Same date (5/8) at Cypress
        Semiconductor in San Jose. 6:30pm. See website for details. - cathyg
        \_ Are there any speakers on why patents are good or is this one
           sided advocacy from the EFF?
           \_ It will be a panel.  I'm not familiar with the other speakers,
              but they are listed on the website. [formatd]
2002/5/7-8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:24737 Activity:insanely high
5/6     /csua/bin/me (formerly motdedit) actually works now.  Please use it.
        \_ no really, it really does work now.
           \_ a) having your username associated with the motd file eliminates
              anonymity. b) most motd posts are anonymous. you do the math.
              \_ Get a life.  if someone wanted to track down motd entries,
                 it's trivial.  just use the script.  or at least use vi.
              \_ Make the motd.public editable only by the system motdedit.
                 \_ And then someone locks it for hours... try again.  This
                    way people in general can avoid stepping on toes, and
                    the random luser/unfortunate soul that leaves their lock
                    doesn't have to be pummeled and require a lart invocation
                    on their tired ass.
        \_ wait, weren't you saying the same thing a few weeks ago?  what part
           didn't work?
           \_ The post was for those who may have missed it.
              \_ /csua/bin/motdedit.new was last modified on May 3rd... so
         \_ Fight the Power! Dont use motedit! No more rules no more
            conformity!
                 what's new?

5/6

    Implications of DMCA Anti-circumvention Rules for Research
    Dr. Pamela Samuelson
    SIMS, UC Berkeley

May 8 , 2002 4:00-5:00 p.m.
Hewlett Packard Auditorium, 306 Soda Hall

5/5
EECS Joint Colloquium Distinguished Lecture Series
        \_ mp3 whore!  Hundreds of gigs!  Free Warez!  Woo hoo!  divx! yes!
                 \_ is it that hard to read?  The only thing changed was a
                    system("/csua/bin/mtd") at the end to apply your changes.
                    --scotsman
                    \_ well, considering I don't know what /csua/bin/me
                       looked like before May 3rd, reading the /csua/bin/me
                       now won't tell me what changed, now will it?
                       looked like before May 3rd, reading /csua/bin/me now
                       won't tell me what changed, will it?
   \_ die you  [conformityd], you
\_ Fight the Power! Dont use motedit! No more rules no more conformity!
            \_ You will conform and you will like it.
   \_ die you  [conformityd], you. This is readable. Get the Man off my back!
2002/5/7 [Academia/Berkeley/Classes, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:24738 Activity:nil 75%like:24744
5/6     Implications of DMCA Anti-circumvention Rules for Research

Dr. Pamela Samuelson
SIMS, UC Berkeley

May 8 , 2002 4:00-5:00 p.m.
Hewlett Packard Auditorium, 306 Soda Hall
EECS Joint Colloquium Distinguished Lecture Series
        \_ mp3 whore!  Hundreds of gigs!  Free Warez!  Woo hoo!  divx! yes!
2002/5/7-8 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:24739 Activity:high
5/7     What does /etc/tm do, on sunos? How do I search for this on google,
        it keeps insisting "/etc/tm" is "etc tm"
        \_ google 'solaris "etc tm"'
        \_ On my solaris boxes it's an empty directory.  I don't have a sunos
           box.  It isn't in the solaris man pages I have.
        \_ rm, mv, or chmod it and see what breaks.
2002/5/7 [Uncategorized] UID:24740 Activity:nil
5/4 foo
2002/5/7-8 [Politics/Foreign] UID:24741 Activity:high
5/7     White woman fired for not speaking Spanish in government office.
        http://www.wsvn.com/extra/helpmehoward/archives/view_story.html?storyid=20020501-182618
        \_ Sorry, she can't claim discrimination, because she is white and it
           is politically incorrect in this country for a white to say s/he is
           being discriminated.  -- Asian.
        \_ Nothing wrong with this.  She was the only white woman in an office
           full of hispanics.  So they called her racial slurs everyday and
           her manager gave her 60 days to learn spanish (not required by law)
           or get fired?  Makes sense.  I'm ok with it.  She should be forced
           to sell her house to pay reparations, too.
2002/5/7-8 [Industry/Jobs] UID:24742 Activity:high
5/7     Is it possible to collect unemployment benefits if your voluntarily
        quit?  I'm reading http://www.edd.ca.gov and there's too much info.  I can't
        seem to find a clear answer.  Thanks.
        \_ Yes.  You did keep a backdoor while you still had root, right?
        \_ No.
           \_ To add to this, even if it was a voluntary lay-off.
                \_ There's no such thing as a voluntary lay-off.  1984.
2002/5/7-8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:24743 Activity:high
5/7     Anybody know when A beautiful mind is coming out on video?  I can't
        seem to find this info on the web.  Thanks.
        \_ geez, still showing in theaters.
        \_ just d/l it from limewire
           \_ fasttrack only has the 300 meg version.  However if you want
              spiderman... there's a 2.2 Gig vcd version out.
                \_ Is it worth d/l'ing? (My bw is limited)
                   \_ No you cheap bastards go pay $5 for a matinee, sheesh!
                      \_ So you think that its worth spending $5 to watch it?
                         In that case, I guess I will d/l it tonight.
                         \_ No I don't think it's worth $5 to watch it.  I
                            think you're wasting your time either way.

5/7

    Implications of DMCA Anti-circumvention Rules for Research
    Dr. Pamela Samuelson
    SIMS, UC Berkeley

May 8 , 2002 4:00-5:00 p.m.
Hewlett Packard Auditorium, 306 Soda Hall
EECS Joint Colloquium Distinguished Lecture Series
        \_ mp3 whore!  Hundreds of gigs!  Free Warez!  Woo hoo!  divx! yes!
           \_ um, I've taken 2 classes with Samuelson, Law 276.1 (digital law)
              and SIMS 231 (IP Law).  She's good; she knows what she doesn't
              know, and sticks to teaching what she does know, and researches
              what she doesn't.  So open your mind you closed source fuck.
                \_ Closed source?  You're an idiot.  Open vs. Closed source has
                   nothing to do with copyright law, you moron.  In fact, if
                   you had the slightest clue you'd know the GPL _relies_ on
                   and _uses_ copyright law to protect GPL'd code.  Fucking
                   dumbshit stupid loudmouth moronic geek you should go and
                   ask her what the GPL is for starters and then you can come
                   back to the motd and beg forgiveness for being so stupid
                   and ignorant.
                   \_ You forgot to take your lithium today.
                        \_ Maybe but at least I know wtf I'm talking about.
                           \_ actually, you missed the whole point.  But
                              we expect this from the motd arguments.
                              \_ it would be good if we got rid of the motd.
                              \_ we also expect people to claim someone else
                                 missed the point without saying what point
                                 they were failing to get across and then
                                 blame the reader.  e190
                                 \_ Sentence is too long and convoluted.
                                    You need to take e190.
                                 \_ that's "eewanani" to you hosers.
2002/5/7 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll, Academia/Berkeley/Classes] UID:24744 Activity:insanely high 75%like:24738
5/7     Two airliner crashed in one day.  Oh my.
        http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&ncid=578&e=1&u=/nm/20020507/ts_nm/tunisia_egypt_plane_dc
        http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&ncid=716&e=1&u=/ap/20020507/ap_on_re_as/china_plane_crash

5/7

    Implications of DMCA Anti-circumvention Rules for Research
    Dr. Pamela Samuelson
    SIMS, UC Berkeley

May 8 , 2002 4:00-5:00 p.m.
Hewlett Packard Auditorium, 306 Soda Hall
EECS Joint Colloquium Distinguished Lecture Series
        \_ mp3 whore!  Hundreds of gigs!  Free Warez!  Woo hoo!  divx! yes!
           \_ um, I've taken 2 classes with Samuelson, Law 276.1 (digital law)
              and SIMS 231 (IP Law).  She's good; she knows what she doesn't
              know, and sticks to teaching what she does know, and researches
              what she doesn't.  So open your mind you closed source fuck.

        \_ The end is near!
2002/5/7-8 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:24745 Activity:high 54%like:23760
5/7     On XP I can do route print to see the routing table. How do I do that
        on Solaris and Linux?
        \_ netstat -r
           \_ netstat -rn (if you don't want name resoultion)
Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags   MSS Window  irtt Iface
10.2.0.3        0.0.0.0         255.255.255.255 UH       40 0          0 ppp0
10.2.0.3        0.0.0.0         255.255.255.255 UH       40 0          0 ppp1
        \_ what does it mean when your gateway is 0.0.0.0? I don't get it
           \_ It points to the other end of your ppp connection
           \_ It means someone has hacked your computer
2002/5/7-8 [Computer/Theory] UID:24746 Activity:high
5/7     Say you have a matrix A, and they say that A * A^-1 = 1 (right?)
        How does one get A^-1?
        \_ you'd think if you were going to post some simple math question,
           you would first read the replys to the previous one.
           http://www.mathworld.com has the answeres to all of these questions,
           with links to related questions, great examples, etc.
           that should be your fist stop, not the motd.
        \_ one takes math 54
        \_ obviously A^1 is the same a 1/A.
        \_ for a 2x2 matrix, it's trivial. for larger matrices, check out
           a linear algebra reference for details.  but for now:
           (a b) ^-1  =  M(d -b)    where M = 1/(determinant)
           (c d)          (-c a)
2002/5/7-8 [Politics/Domestic/SIG, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:24747 Activity:very high
5/7     Two airliner crashed in one day.  Oh my.
        http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&ncid=578&e=1&u=/nm/20020507/ts_nm/tunisia_egypt_plane_dc
        http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&ncid=716&e=1&u=/ap/20020507/ap_on_re_as/china_plane_crash
        \_ The end is near!
        \_ It is said that flying has fewer accidents per passenger mile than
           driving.  What about number of accidents per passenger trip?  Thx.

                \_ good luck finding anti-airline statistics. The airlines
                   do a better job on interpreting statistics than the NRA
                   and tobacco industries.
                   \_ The anti-gun crowd is even better at misinterpreting
                      or flat out inventing statistics.
5/7

    Implications of DMCA Anti-circumvention Rules for Research
    Dr. Pamela Samuelson
    SIMS, UC Berkeley

May 8 , 2002 4:00-5:00 p.m.
Hewlett Packard Auditorium, 306 Soda Hall
EECS Joint Colloquium Distinguished Lecture Series
        \_ mp3 whore!  Hundreds of gigs!  Free Warez!  Woo hoo!  divx! yes!
           \_ um, I've taken 2 classes with Samuelson, Law 276.1 (digital law)
              and SIMS 231 (IP Law).  She's good; she knows what she doesn't
              know, and sticks to teaching what she does know, and researches
              what she doesn't.  So open your mind you closed source fuck.
                \_ Closed source?  You're an idiot.  Open vs. Closed source has
                   nothing to do with copyright law, you moron.  In fact, if
                   you had the slightest clue you'd know the GPL _relies_ on
                   and _uses_ copyright law to protect GPL'd code.  Fucking
                   dumbshit stupid loudmouth moronic geek you should go and
                   ask her what the GPL is for starters and then you can come
                   back to the motd and beg forgiveness for being so stupid
                   and ignorant.
                   \_ You forgot to take your lithium today.
                        \_ Maybe but at least I know wtf I'm talking about.
                           \_ actually, you missed the whole point.  But
                              we expect this from the motd arguments.
                              \_ it would be good if we got rid of the motd.
                              \_ we also expect people to claim someone else
                                 missed the point without saying what point
                                 they were failing to get across and then
                                 blame the reader.  e190
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