6/29    "We will meet again in the place where there is no darkness"
        \_ 1984, right?
           \_  In 1984, Apple Computer will introduce Macintosh. And
               you'll see why 1984 won't be like 1984.
               \_ And it'll take 11 years for M$ to catch up with the look &
                  feel.
                  \_ And MS will have a market cap 50 times greater than Apple.
                     \_ It's called being over and undervalued.
                     \_ Yeah, doesn't it suck?
                        \_ Well, it's Apple's own fault. They were shortsighted
                           in their market strategy and now they lie in the bed
                           they made.
                     \_ M$ Wins! game over.
                        \_ FATALITY
        \_ B5, perhaps?
           \_ good guess, but google for it. it's 1984
        \_ On a related note, I personally found "Brave New World"'s vision
           of the future much more disturbing that 1984 (granted 1984's vision
           isn't that good). It seemed like all that is good about humanity
           was missing from the people in BNW. Anyone else see it the this way?
           \_ Funny, I found BNW a wonderfully comforting view that
              finally the alpha brains get to rule, as they should.

6/29    This is like the 80's thing with Gotty instead of the tephlon don
        we have the tephlon monopoly. That is just total BS and i can't
        believe no one in the press is bitching about it. Bush is liable
        to get reamed on this issue is a few years.  The government needs
        to just gut ms. It really would then be a much more economically
        dynamic corp.  I actually believe that a break up would increase
        the shareholder value to the ability to unlock some of the hidden
        value of microsoft. Microsoft Media is basically going to buy out
        like Disney and maybe charter ( pual allen owns charter ) and go
        toe to toe with AOL. Right now people really need to worry Media,
        the whole Napster thing should have been a shot in the arm but
        people are concentrating on other issues like the slow down in
        hardware. If a company like msft controlled Napster what would
        have happened- they would have won- the technology and structure
        would have been bullet proof. They could have integrated the
        whole thing seemlessly into hotmail with streaming adverstisment
        and future released and "banners" Also note that disney and aol
        both trading for higher PE's than msft. In terms of media ms has
        always been into the "family" shit which would make a good case
        for merging with disney.  Microsoft has got some real value under
        the hood and all people look at is the OS and Office.
          Then the database group. Just spin off SQL Server and business
        Apps into a sep company to go toe to toe with ORacle and others.
        The guys that use SQL Server internally at fluor just love it-
        one of the biggest reasons- nice integrations with what?
        Win2k.... go figure.  For a breakup you don't need to touch the
        office suite or OS to is like so yesterday- leave that for later-
        but I don't want ms to control the media which given there
        structure and cash they go do it easily. They are a monopoly and
        a monolopy is alwasy going to assimilate assimilate assimilate.
        It is a losing battle to screw with what has already been
        assimilated- so they should prevent them from screwing with other
        perfectly heathly markets.  Just my 2 cents
        \_ You're delusional if you believe anyone took the time to read thru
           all that, Kinney.
           \_ they obviously do because they reply thru email.

6/29   Motd cleared.
        \_ thanks for telling us.
        \_ Thank you for providing such a valuable service! You're great!

6/30    YOU SPOONY BARD!        -Tellah

6/29 [10:50 PM]   I can't believe I'm still stuck at work on the friday before
                  "summer vacation".  I was supposed to be at home playing
                  Curse of Monkey Island, but no, everybody else had to leave
                  because of thier flights and I'm stuck here fixing thier
                  shitty broken code desperately trying to ship our beta.
                  It would be one thing if this my code (the low level net
                  and cyrpto stuff), but its the shitty php ui! PHP UI! $(%#*!
                  I can't believe I work with such a bunch of undedicated idiots
                  Since the obviously care more about their personal lives than
                  being employed, I'm going to recommend them all for "voluntary
                  attrition" at the next company meeting. I guess the bright
                  side is that I'll be getting the entire bonus for our group
                  this quarter. On second thought, I'll wait till after they
                  see me recieve the only bonus check before recommending them
                  for "voluntary attrition".
                        \where do you work? -nesim
                  \_ Get a life, nerdboy.  Go home and try to lose some weight.
                  \_ He has a life. He plays Curse of Monkey Island.
                  \_ sounds like either you or your manager didn't manage your
                     time effectively - and now you're using the geek "work
                     all night all day i'm a mole in soda hall" cliche.  Lives
                     are good things that all people should have.
                     I should mention that i mean "you" in the plural, you
                     may have not wasted time at all, but obviously your dev
                     team was not working to full efficiency.  This is probably
                     due to the mgmt not understanding the technology enough to
                     feel comfortable enforcing sub-project due dates. - paolo
                     \_ It is more likely that management is so clueless
                        that they don't understand what a project sub-date
                        even means. -ausman

6/29   There's no identd daemon running, what happened?  -phr
       \_ maybe you should get off irc once in a while?
       \_ identd(8)

6/30    I still haven't seen anyone explain just exactly how consumers will
        be better off if Microsoft was obliterated. Some of the arguments
        I've seen are basically arguments against IP in general. That is,
        consumers will be better off if Windows was open sourced, etc. So
        they'd be better off if Office was open sourced too right? You know
        that Office has a bigger marketshare than Windows right? Office is
        a big monopoly, but there's nothing stopping someone else from offering
        a competing product. Nothing at all except the investment...if they
        don't think the investment would pay off then there you have it,
        MS must be keeping things competitive. The fact of the matter is that
        for all the so-called monopoly products (Windows, IE, Office) no one
        has been able to produce a competitor that is tangibly better, that
        would make people take notice and give a shit about. In the case of
        IE and Office, the competitors are worse.

6/30    what's your opinion on seagate hard drives?  also,
        athlon vs. duron, besides the caching issue, what
        other differences are there in terms of performance
        and quality?  finally, do you know of any motherboards
        that you'd recommend?
        \_ I had bad luck with barracudas and cheethas, other
           models seem okay. I don't know about the x86 stuff,
           I generally avoid it. ----ranga
        \_ If it's for a desktop machine, then the criteria I'd use to
           select a hard drive is it's noise level.  Seagate's new
           Barracuda IV is the new champ (as soon as you can actually
           *buy* one, that is) at 2.0 to 2.4 bels.  If you can't wait,
           then Samsung makes some that are in 3.0 to 3.1 range.
           If you're into overclocking to improve your frame rate in
           whatever first person shooter everyone is playing this
           week, then you probably want to ignore me and get something
           that spins at 14.4kRPM.
        \_ Check Tom's hardware for information about motherboards.
           The Asus A7M is pretty solid.  It's based on AMD's 760
           series chipset.  Don't confuse it with their similar, albeit
           inferior model based on the flaky AliMagick chipset.
           Seagate disks aren't what they used to be.  IBM disks tend
           to be very reliable.
           \_ Also look at the Abit KG7-RAID (ignore the RAID part), which
              has the same "north" chipset (AMD 761), but can hold a whopping
              (these days) 4 DDR DIMMs.
        \_ Who now owns Seagate (as in the company Seagate?)
           \_ a group of private investors
           \_ I thought Veritas bought them?
              \_ they only bought out one storage sw division from seagate.

6/30    fuck amihotornot: http://www.ratemyrack.com

6/30    [Oh my god, you nuked kinney!]
        \_ you bastard!