Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2001:December:11 Tuesday <Monday, Wednesday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2001/12/11-12 [Academia/GradSchool] UID:23206 Activity:high
12/7    Chialea, what are you gonna put on the GRE Subject entry? Are you just
        gonna leave it blank? I took the subject on Nov but wouldn't find out
        my score till 12/26, by then most of the applications are already due!
        \_ I put my score... I took it in april. it sucked, but I'm not
           likely to do much better, given the tiny problem that I haven't
           taken most of the classes it's based on. -chialea
                \_ what classes didn't you take that would've helped?
                   \_ 150,152,162,184,186. I got theory, I got music.
                                           \_ Who could ask for anything more?
                                              \_ How about rhythm, dumbass?
                                                 \_ luckily I have that too,
                                                    I'm not twohey. -chialea
                                                 \_ Here's a nickel, go buy
                                                    yourself a sense of humor.
                                           \_ "I got my [gal|guy]. Who could
                                              ask for anything more?"
                        \_ eh? you got music?
                           \_ indeed. -chialea
                           \_ since when did CS GRE care about music theory?
                              \_ they don't. pity. -chialea
                        \_ you don't really need 184 (only 1-2 questions
                           on linear algebra/matrices). But the other ones
                           are kind of important.
                           \_ yes. yes they are. hopefully the grad schools
                              understand that specialists do good research :P
                              (I've been so told) -chialea
                                \_ will you have my babies?
                                  \_ Humans aren't interfertile with the
                                     likes of you.
        \_ heaven forbid you mail her instead of professing your love for
           her on the motd.
                \_ I don't want her to find out who I am. I'm that no name,
                   faceless coward who took a lot of the class upper div
                   classes with her.
                    \_ Er, how sweet. Yeek.
                    \_ A Geek Stalker.  How novel... or maybe not.
2001/12/11-12 [Computer/HW/CPU] UID:23207 Activity:high
12/07   Here's some benchmarks for same video/different CPUs:
        \_ in another word, the quality is so fuckin good nowadays that the
           nekked eyes can't really tell the difference between a $100 and a
           $300 card/CPU unless you use benchmarks. Cool.
           \_ Cool. I just bought a $100 card.
           \_ for raw polygon, probably not much.  But then there is
                anti-alias, motion-compensation, hypertexture and other
                which would bog down a GeForce3.  The real question is
                where are the games which use these features?
                \_ Nothing out right now that I know of.
2001/12/11-12 [Computer/Networking] UID:23208 Activity:moderate
12/07   I'm a big lazy wimp who has been spoiled by the nice easy
        GUI that comes with Firewall one.  Anyone know a nice
        easy gui frontend for managing netfilter/ipfw rules?
        \_ vi
        \_ \
          As a general tip, especially with things like ipfilter's keepstate
          & similar functions under ipchains/ipfw/netfilter/whatever,
          text-based firewall rules tend to be far friendlier to administer
          in the long run;  GUI firewalls lose you a lot of overview and
          quick editing functionality, especially if you're dealing with
          large numbers of rules.  -John
2001/12/11-12 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:23209 Activity:high
12/10   If I use Sun's implementation of JMS (download from
        does that mean I gotta use the db that comes with it (cloudscape)
        for persistent system message storage? is there a lighter weight
        solution I can download from?
        \_ CloudScape _is_ a light version.
        \_ I recommend you take a look at SwiftMQ if you are looking for
           a low cost JMS solution. It is a commercial, yet free,
           implementation of JMS.  It's rock solid(v2.1.3) and the
           mailing list is quite good. It doesn't implement the optional
           parts of the 1.0.2 spec however. -payam
        \_ What is JMS actually used for and who uses it? Also, is OpenJMS
           any good?
                \_ stored TCP/IP stuff is useful
                   \_ what does this mean?
2001/12/11-12 [Industry/Jobs] UID:23210 Activity:low
12/10   I found the following book pretty useful. If you're a laid off dotcomer
        or who is no longer passionate about technology, buy this book:
        \_ dotcommer: noun, pl dotcommers; the marketing chick who made 4 times
           what she'd make in the real world.  Dotcommers != techies with
           skills.  You'll never see a "dotcommer profile" in the papers with
           a code monkey, or any sort of IT people.  The one they did profile
           a year or so ago turned out to be a fake.  I do wonder what becomes
           of all the ex-execs.  One company I was at was run into the ground
           by the 27-29 year old founders.  Had Stanfurd degrees and Softbank
           money for a year.  What does someone like that do after they kill
           an otherwise perfectly good little startup?
2001/12/11 [Politics/Domestic/911, Reference/Religion] UID:23211 Activity:insanely high
12/10   What is the big deal with John Walker?
        \_ When you grow up in America and are taught/shown/experience why
           secular govt, freedom of religion, (classical) liberalism, and
           capitalism (i.e. "consumerism") are actually good things, someone
           who attends terrorist camps and shoots at Americans is fucking
           annoying and a traitor to the blessings he was born with.
           \_ You've made my point, from the opposing point of view, better
              than I could have myself.
                \_ You're too smart for me.  Could you say that again using
                   common simple grammatical structure a 5th grader could
           \_ Plus he's white.
              \_ yes, that's why it's being made into a big deal.
                \_ If he was anything but Arab it would have been a big deal.
                   How much bigger a deal would it have been if his ancestors
                   were from, oh... say... Japan?  Get over the hate-whitey
                   \_ Actually, if he were an American of Arab descent,
                      i think it would be an even bigger deal.
                        \_ I disagree.  It's the photos of a pale disheveled
                           white guy that made the news.  If it was an
                           american of arab descent, we would just call him
                           an muslim who happened to speak english and spent
                           time in the states.
2001/12/11-12 [Academia/Berkeley/Classes, Recreation/Food] UID:23212 Activity:high
12/10   Check out starting salaries, job descriptions, and organizations
        for various majors (yes there are "food servers" in the humanities
        \_ looks like IB and english majors are suffering
           \_ I like the "Self Employed" guy who named himself "Vice
              President of Marketing and Sales".
        \_ So EECS and CS are still the highest.
                \_ This surprises you?
           \_ Go ask a salesperson at any reasonably succesful
              company in the valley how much he makes(base + commish).
              Chances are it'll be at least 2x what an EECS major from Cal at
              the same company makes.  I didn't think this was true until I
              had to find one for my company.
                \_ Go ask the rest of the salespeople who haven't been at it
                   for 15+ years and don't have a million contacts and don't
                   get sent to the best contracts, etc.  Yes, a sales jerk
                   *can* and often do make more than the typical EECS geek, but
                   the *average* sales jerk is eating cat food in his cold
                   flat on the bad side of town.  The marketing chick is still
                   overpaid.  Average EECS $$$ >> Average Sales Jerk $$$.
                   \_ cat food?
                        \_ Yes.  What are you questioning about it?
2001/12/11-12 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/Security] UID:23214 Activity:very high
        \_ Does "Usenet newsgroups" mean all the newsgroups I can see when I
           run trn?  Are there newsgroups that are not Usenet newsgroups?
           \_ It means Usenet groups before the big re-org. talk.* and net.*
              stuff. It doesn't have my 1985 posts, but it does have some
              1986 stuff I wrote... It scares me.
        \_ Say, what newsgroup did the Ahm/Blojo incident happen in?
           \_ ucb.erotica.sensual, but I can't find the exact original posting,
              just aftermath signs such as:
              Anyone have the original ahm/blojo postings archived?
              \_ is this for real?  real or not, did it work?
                    Status: single
                    Must not have worked...
              \_ Hmm...what happened to Tawei?  He was quite a character.
2001/12/11-12 [Computer/Networking, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:23215 Activity:high
12/11   Alpha Chi Sigma has rooms available for the spring semester.
        The house is on northside, 3 blocks from soda hall and
        has an ethernet behind a DSL router.
        email Edward Pizzini <> for more information
        \_ Ran out of people to haze this year?
           \_ c'mon, be fair... they probably just ran out of goats to
              have people with. [I think this is funny and will keep
              haze people with. [I think this is funny and will keep
              restoring it everytime you delete it. hoser.]
              \_ motd was restored.  old motd.  Also, don't you know ACS
                 is a professional Chemistry fraternity?  There is a picture
                 of some membership on the latest College of Chemistry
                 alumni mag.
                 \_ professional, eh? Well I say, where there's hazing
                    there's goats.
           \_ Yes, we stopped playing "Guess The Acid Taste Test" after
              someone drank a whole cylinder of fuming nitric like a shot.
2001/12/11-12 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23216 Activity:moderate
12/11   is there a way to 'uname' from a distance? ie is there some way to
        'uname' a machine that i'm not logged into?
        \_ Try "nslookup -query=hinfo hostname", but I think only some machines
           conform to this.  --- yuen
           \_ some sites give out incorrect info to confound '1337 H4X0R5!
              so don't trust hinfo records.
              Alternatives include snmpwalk (get sysobjectid), rsh/ssh, or
              HEAD / HTTP/1.0 and grok the output.
           \_ That doesn't give uname info, does it? The output I'm getting
              is very similar to that of 'dig'.
        \_ I believe you want a tool like nmap
            \_ nmap isn't very accurate, it reports MacOS 9.x as HPUX 11.x
               and FreeBSD 5.0 as Darwin.
2001/12/11-13 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:23217 Activity:high
12/11   Does your pine inbox get wipe out?  What happened to my read messages
        in my inbox?
        \_ do you have a file named "mbox" in your directory?
          \_ yes, I assume this is where my inbox messages are stored?  But
             what happened with Pine?  It just suddenly not read from mbox?
             The messages were shown earlier this afternoon.
             \_ Maybe your previous instance Pine wasn't killed?
                \_ what happened was, I had a previous instance running while
                 I deleted a message in the second instance.  I get the text
                 second message deleted a in I instance the.  the text get I
                 "acquiring exclusive lock..." Message deleted successfully.
                 Realizing I have two instances of pine running, I quit from
                 when I startup pine again, the inbox is empty.
                 the second inst and kill the other session.  Then later on
                 startup when I pine again, inbox empty is the.
        \_ mh.  stop using a toy mail reader.  Weird how 99% of mail problems
           posted to the motd are pine users.  figure it out already!  you
           don't have to use *my* mail reader, just use something else that
           works... anything else.
           \_ Pine is not a bad mail client.  Its relative simplicity
              invites novices, that's all.  Many people have no problems
              with it.
                \_ Yeah but c'mon.... Some one with enough mail and multiple
                   open shells and knows how to stop/start processes, etc
                   should maybe think about moving on to something more
                   robust.  I grant that my procmail/mh solution is probably
                   overkill for most people but there are so many others out
                   there.  There has to be something out there that doesn't
                   eat inboxes and require constant motd queries.
                   \_ I use procmail+pine.
             \_ Pine is a terrible mail client, (n)mh + mh-e are *much*
                better. The only thing that pine seems to do better is
                attaching files in base64 (mime) encoded format. I haven't
                been able to get mh-e to do this reliably. If I can figure
                that out, I can stop using pine all together.
        \_ mutt
2001/12/11-12 [Uncategorized/Multicategory] UID:23218 Activity:nil
12/11   Does anyone know of a UPS that has software for MacOS X. I'm looking
        for something that will shutdown the computer gracefully when the
        power goes out. I don't need all the fancy power metrics, etc.
2001/12/11 [Uncategorized] UID:23219 Activity:nil
12/11   [ restored - yeah its old, just deal ]
2001/12/11-12 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:23220 Activity:moderate
        An article on the psychology of Sharon & Arafat

[One of the more interesting and educational discussion on motd restored.
 Let it stay for a few more days.]  No. Let it go.  It's done.
2019/02/22 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular
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