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2001/12/20 [Recreation/Dating] UID:23313 Activity:insanely high
12/19   Anyone been to Hot Tubs on University?  How is it?  Do people have
        sex in the tubs?  (in which case, I'd rather not go)
        \_ what's this, a massage parlor?
           \_ no, it's a place with hot tubs.
        \_ never been there... looks dirty to me...
           \_ If you have nothing to say, don't say anything at all.
              \_ I have something to say: I've never been inside, but just
                 based on what I've seen it looks trashy and disgusting...
                 I guess the below posts substantiate my educated guess.thx
        \_ A friend of mine said his friend used to go there to get
           blowjobs
        \_ I have been there and had sex with my g/f there. Sorry
           if that ruins it for you.
           \_ I'm personally more worried if it was used for gay sex.
              \_ Worse, some peole were seen bringing with them young
                 female goats
                 \_ Guys, right?  Bringing in female goats?  Because that
                    wouldn't be gay.
        \_ Hookers meet you there. I;ve shot wads of cum on the room
        \_ I looked inside once and saw a bunch of dirty hippies -sky
2001/12/20 [Computer/SW/Apps] UID:23314 Activity:high
12/19   A few days ago, someone posted that I should irc over to ugrad
        and join /hozerchat to get in touch with fellow MacOS X coders
        and users. Can anyone recommend a decent irc client on soda
        which I can use for this purpose. tia.
        \_ mirc, etc. and it was #hoserchat - with an "s"
        \_ irc
        \_ or you can ssh to ugrad.csua (screwdriver) and use bitchx
           \_ are the username/passwords on screwdriver the same as
              on soda?
2001/12/20-21 [Recreation/Media] UID:23315 Activity:very high
12/19   LOTR question.  I want to read the book before I watch the movie.
        I know it's a trilogy.  But does it have to be read in order?
        Is one book better than others?  I'm asking if it's like Star Wars.
        You don't have to watch it in order. And I liked return of the jedi
        better than the rest.  Thanks.
        \_ You have to read them in order or it won't make any sense. --dim
        \_ The Lord of the Rings is one title composed of many logical books.
           It was published as three physical books. You need to read them
           in order. If you want to dip your toe in, start with the Hobbit
           which is the prequel to the Lord of The Rings
           \_ 6 "books", 3 "volumes"
           \_ 6 "books", 3 "volumes".  But, indeed, if you haven't read any
              of them and want to read something, read the Hobbit, see
              fellowship of the ring, then read the 3 volumes. --scotsman
        \_ read fellowship of the ring.
        \_ read fotr or mein kamph, same difference, same content.
           "Numenor fell for the Numenoreans mingled their blood with that
           of lesser men." ... "Southrons were dark and evil."
                \_ boy that's clever.  -tom
        \_ I'm sorry, your liking Return of the Jedi best has nullified your
           worthiness for Tolkien.  Exit on your left.
        \_ I would not discourage anyone from reading the books.  However,
           having seen the movie last night, I can safely say that you do
           not need to read the books to enjoy the movie.  In fact, if
           you're the sort of person who gets fanatic about this sort of
           thing, DON'T read the books before seeing the movie, as there
           are plenty of differences between the two.  I enjoyed the movie
           immensely.  --erikred
           \_ I'd agree.  Read the series many, many times, saw the movie,
              liked it, but kinda wished I'd never read it (surprises would
              be more surprising, wouldn't be constantly analyzing differences,
              etc, etc)  I'd just read the Hobbit then go see it (or not even
              that, you don't have to, but it would be fun).  --dbushong
        \_ I'm a big book fan who really liked the movie. I've known
           a few non-readers who've seen it and been confused, but the
           resounding consensus on them is that they are stupid. So
           \_ or think seperate books should have individual endings.
              \_ But they *aren't* separate books.  It's all one book,
                 that was split into three volumes by the publisher.
              \_ Just saw the movie today.  At the end, one woman said
                 aloud, "What?  That's it?" -geordan
           consider the movie an informal IQ test. The first book is
           450-500 pages long, and not a quick read the first time
           though, though I just finished it in three days cuz I've
           read it before. Anyway, you might also start with The Hobbit,
           which is more for kids, and Silmarillion, which has a lot
           of backstory to the Lord of the Rings. Origionally the
           trilogy of books was one book. They divided it into three
           parts for publishing reasons.
           \_ The Hobbit was *really* boring.  I'd skip it.
             \_ Everyone has an opinion. You're in a minority among
                those who've read it.
                \_ We may be a bigger minority than you think. Hated it.
                   \_ Relax. It's a kid's book. -fab
                      \_ LoTR is also a set of kids books.
                      \_ LoTR is also a set of kids books. But thats okay
                         since most sodans are kids (at heart, if not in
                         age).
                   \_ The Hobbit In A Nutshell by O'Reailly: Wizard drags
                      hobbit out of hole.  Goes on adventure.  Hobbit saves
                      everyone.  Hobbit saves everyone again.  Hobbit again
                      saves everyone.  Hobbit saves group.  Group is saved by
                      hobbit.  Hobbit rescues everyone.... etc, etc, end.  I
                      stated my opinion.  "boring" is obviously an opinion.
                      You state your opinion as a fact.  Your opinion is only
                      an opinion until you survey a sufficient number of The
                      Hobbit readers to do a proper statistical analysis.  I'd
                      like to see a breakdown by age when you publish your
                      results.  The Hobbit was *really* boring.  I'd skip it.
                        \_ uh, Bilbo did very little saving of anyone.  Could
                           you provide some examples?  -tom
                           \_ well, there was that spider, and then the
                              dragon, and then that stuff in the forest...
                                \_ Don't bring facts in to this.
           \_ The Silmarillion is an... acquired taste.  For advanced
              Tolkien fans only.
              \_ "The third is enormous, mad, unreadable"
                 http://www.lrb.co.uk/v23/n22/turn2322.htm
2001/12/20 [Uncategorized] UID:23316 Activity:nil
12/19   Did anyone fax in thier cal transcript requests? If a particular
        school wants them to attach a cover sheet, did you fax the cover
        sheet as well or did you have them send you the transcript and
        then attach the cover sheet and send it out?
2001/12/20 [Uncategorized] UID:23317 Activity:very high
12/19   Has anyone ever had IE 6 lose its toolbars?
        Been able to fix it? --scotsman
        \_try pulling them down like a frame that's been pushed to the side
        \_ Stop visiting porn sites.  Turn off javascript.
2001/12/20 [Computer/Theory, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23318 Activity:very high
12/19   Why is EULER-PATH not as important as HAMPATH? (seriously, what is the
        main diff between "edges only once" and "nodes only once")
        \_ Euler path is a linear problem- O(V+E).  Hamiltonian circuit is
           NP-Complete, which means that it's at least as hard as
           thousands of other problems.  Produce a polynomial time
           algorithm for Hamilton and you can crack nearly any public-key
           cryptography system.
           \_ isn't prime factorization NP-intermediate?
              \_ So? All that means that you don't _have_ to solve Hampath
                 in polytime in order to solve factoring. If you _do_ solve
                 Hampath in polytime, this still gives you polytime factoring.
           \_ what's the O(n) alg for EULER-PATH then?
              \_ Find all nodes with odd degrees. If there's more than 2, halt
                 and return "impossible". Else, start at a node of odd degree
                 if there is one, and just keep going around while there're
                 edges from where you are which you haven't used yet. It's
                 fairly easy to prove that this will always find an Euler
                 path if one exists. -alexf
                 \_ Not true. Consider this graph:   |_ _
                                                      /|_|
                                                     |
                    If you start at the top node, go down,
                    go right, then go diagonally  down and
                    left you've cut yourself off from the
                    square at the right. But you can start
                    a new cycle that picks up that square,
                    then splice it into the other path. -ok
                    \_ I stand duely corrected. Apply the algorithm listed
                       above repeatedly to the graph, restarting at any point
                       which has unused edges coming out. You'll get a
                       collection of paths, of which all but at most 1 will
                       be cycles; you can then "merge" the cycles into the
                       path by just taking a "detour" around the cycle from
                       the point where the path touches said cycle. This should
                       still be linear. -alexf
                        \_ Duly.
2001/12/20 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23319 Activity:high
12/19   How do I configure my win2k machine so I can telnet into it? thanks.
        \_ Rather than ask how to open a huge security hole in w2k, you
           should tell us what you're trying to accomplish and ask for advice
           on the best way to get there.
        \_ One way is to infect it with NIMDA, then you can get a shell
           prompt by telnet-ing to it's port 80
           \_ have you seriously tried doing this?  sure, sending simple
              1 word commands like "dir" and "cd" work.  But I'd like to
              see you try to "net use" or "share <...>" things with that
              interface.  Remeber IIS only puts out "valid" content-type
              header fields.
        \_ uh... can't you just to go like "Services" or something, find
           "telnet" and click "start"?
        \_ also look into VNC or TightVNC
        \_ Control Panel -> Administrative Tools -> Telnet Server
           Administration.   -- yuen
2001/12/20 [Uncategorized] UID:23320 Activity:nil
9/19    Motd Poll:
        You have a rape fantasy:
        You deny having a rape fantasy: .
        You are a rape fantasy:
2001/12/20 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:23321 Activity:nil
12/19   I'm running Redhat 6.1 for about a year with no problems and over
        the last 5 days or so it's been taking a really long time to log
        into my machine through ssh or ftp. sendmail and samba don't seem
        to be working right either, though apache is fine. i'm not even
        sure what to look for, any advice?
        \_ look for timeouts due to dns - are your daemons waiting for
           dns to time out?
        \_ have you been applying security patches? if not, do a rootkit
           scan.  everyone i know who ran such an old install without
           patching has been rooted via an ssh vulnerability.
2001/12/20 [Recreation/Dating] UID:23322 Activity:high
12/19   http://www.craigslist.org/sfo/eby/w4m/2434139.html
        \_ Yes go there and harass random women for an hour or so.  This is
           a really good idea.  It looks more like a prank someone is pulling
           on their friend who they know will be there with a new boyfriend
           or something.  Or maybe a psych experiment going wrong.
           \_ oh my ... HE's RIGHT! Somebody get this guy a job in the CIA
              or something.
2001/12/20 [Uncategorized] UID:23323 Activity:nil
12/19      \_ thanks for the info... I was about to sign my post as
              "chialea" to try and solicit some responses.
                \_ touche
2001/12/20-21 [Computer/SW/Languages/Web] UID:23324 Activity:kinda low
12/19   I'm just learning this to be more "marketable". JSP is just a more
        glorified Servlet (expanded Servlet) right? Then, is EJB also a more
        glorified Servlet? And J2EE is just a bunch of EJBs right? I'm hoping
        someone could just give me a simple explanation.
        \_Not exactly. JSP is an embedded servlet inside an HTML. So a servlet
        is analogous to a complete server side object, i.e. any type of CGI
        program. You hook up HTML to a servlet strictly by coding in links in
        your html. A JSP is actually written INSIDE html code, so it's
        analogous to ASP, ColdFusion, and very cursorely like JavaScript.
        When a JSP page is called, a servlet is actually compiled on the
        server side from the stub parts of the JSP. This is similar to all
        types of "Server Page" technology. The advantagous of Server Page
        stuff over traditional CGI type tech is that web people can just
        throw everything into one HTML page instead of having to write a
        seperate piece of code on the server. As a result, if you know
        servlets, you already know JSP.
        [ reformatted - motd formatting daemon ]
        \_ Servlets/JSPs are techniques for handling HTTP requests. EJB is
           an architecture for distributed object systems. J2EE includes
           JSP/Servlets, EJB, and other things like JMS (architecture/api
           for messaging middleware).
2001/12/20 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:23325 Activity:nil
12/19   http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-8244349.html?tag=mn_hd
        XP, the most secure OS M$, is more vulnerable to hackers than its
        predecessors. Dude, M$ is so fuckin pathetic!!!         -linux r3wl!!!
2001/12/20 [Computer/HW/CPU] UID:23326 Activity:high
12/19   Looks like Itanic is sinking in the harbor:
        http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D1884%2526a%253D19288,00.asp
        With problems like this and Hammer just around the corner
        Intel's as good as dead!
        \_ Chuckle. You fail to account for intertia.
           \_ Let's see, P4, RamBus, Home Electronics (keyboards, mices,
              homerf) and Commercial Networking (enterprise switches)
              were all disasters. Itanic is late, slow and buggy and
              runs Windows very badly. They are dying, and Hammer will
              hammer the nails into Intel's coffin.
              \_ You count P4 as a failure?  It's a cash cow, man!  If you
                 think AMD is going to kill Intel, then put your money down
                 and sell Intel short.  Or buy AMD.  I own some AMD but I'd
                 never sell Intel short.  You're crazy.  Intel isn't going
                 away anyime soon just because AMD has a new chip coming.
                 \_ P4 is a failure, it isn't selling nearly as well as
                    expected and people still want to buy P3s because the
                    performance on P4 is really really bad and you have
                    to use that stupid Rambus pos. Intel has made all bad
                    moves in recent years, this coupled with Hammer are
                    going to put Intel under. - AMD stock holder
                    \_ Uh whatever.   Don't bet the farm on AMD fellow AMD
                       shareholder.  Intel sure as hell isn't going under.
2001/12/20 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:23327 Activity:nil
12/19   Harry Browne on Bush:
        http://www.WorldNetDaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25767
        \_ Yeah. As if business didn't already control the government.
2001/12/20 [Uncategorized] UID:23328 Activity:nil
12/19   http://www.tje.net/humor/0107/why_palestinians_throw_rocks.htm
2001/12/20-22 [Computer/Networking] UID:23329 Activity:moderate
12/20   Just curious, how wide spread is mbone (multicast)? I'm just wondering
        if real-time on-line radio stations are somehow utilizing multicast or
        are they wasting bandwidth.
        \_ They are wasting bandwidth. But there is plenty to waste these
           days.
           \_ obNotIfYouHaveCableModem
                \_ Multicast doesn't save bandwidth at the individual user
                   level, so it doesn't matter whether you're DSL, Cable or
                   T1/T3/OC48.  Multicast saves at the ISP level by only
                   sending the ISP one copy of the stream and letting the
                   ISP split it out to all the listeners at that ISP.
                   \_ Is multicast part of TCP?  IP?  Or some other layer?
                        \_ I think it's usually used instead of TCP.  It's
                           built on top of IP.
                   \_ umm, multicast saves at any level with more than
                      one recipient of the stream, e.g. LAN too if there is
                      popular program being received.
        \_ multicast deployment has never been for shit world-wide.  many
           routers don't handle it well, and many admins are even worse.
2001/12/20-21 [Computer/SW] UID:23330 Activity:low
12/19   What's a good web site that tells you how much approx a bottle of
        wine is with is brand X year Y & vintage Z?
        \_ no such beast.  older wine is priced rather like art.  The price
        is whatever one just paid for it.  And prices varies on how far down
        the dist chain you are.  However, K&L and Wine Club prices
        are roughly 10-12% over what they paid for it.
        \_ http://www.google.com/search?q=wine+price+guide
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