Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2001:May:25 Friday <Thursday, Saturday>
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2001/5/25 [Recreation/Computer/Games] UID:21352 Activity:nil
5/24    The motd has been innoculated. -ali
        \_ infocom games on java applets:
        http://www.pond.com/~russotto/zpletx/minizork.html (zork 1 subset)
        http://www.douglasadams.com/creations/infocomjava.html (hh's guide)
2001/5/25 [Uncategorized] UID:21353 Activity:nil
5/24    [stupid thread about request for pun deleted.]
2001/5/25 [Uncategorized] UID:21355 Activity:low
5/24    <DEAD>www.urlwithoutcomment.com<DEAD>
        \_ You should be so lucky to get this deleted.
2001/5/25 [Consumer/PDA] UID:21356 Activity:very high
5/24    motd poll:
        apple computer will buy palm computing:
        openwave will buy palm computing: .
        nobody will buy palm computing: ...
        3com will buy palm computing: .
        Microsoft will buy palm computing: .
        CSUA will buy palm computing: .
        Handspring will buy PalmOS: .
        I just like dots: ..................................
        I hate dots: ,"]$@
2001/5/25 [Computer/Domains] UID:21357 Activity:low
5/26    what's this domain policy list thing (and why did verisign shut it
        down after becoming god of .com domain?)
        \_ Because they suck and don't have to care anymore.
2001/5/25 [Recreation/Dating] UID:21358 Activity:high
5/25    http://www.nothingisreal.com/girlfriend
        This explains everything.
        \_ There's a flaw in that guy's argument.  First he claims the girl
           just have to be beautiful and be able to carry on an intelligent
           conversation (but not necessarily above MENSA cutoff), then he
           proceeds to look for people 2 std higher in beauty and (of those
           2 stds higher in beauty) 1 std higher in intelligence.  Given
           that most of the mass of the Gaussian concentrates around its
           mean, this means his criterion of beauty and intelligence is
           extremely stringent.  No wonder he can't find a girlfriend.
           He's looking for a supermodel with a PhD.
           \_ You think there are 18,000 supermodels with PhDs in the States?
              \_ For a particular definition of supermodel and a particular
                 definition of PhD, yes.
        \_ This is a self-fulfilling prophesy.  Any girl who sees this page
           is going to keep her distance...
2001/5/25 [Finance/Banking, Reference/RealEstate] UID:21359 Activity:insanely high
5/25    Hey, is it worth wasting an extra $25/month in mortgage interest
        to have an extra $200/month in pocket money? (comparing 15 to 30) -nick
        \_ _In general_ if you can afford the 15 year, you're better off in
           the long run.  Talk to a loan person at a bank to go over specifics
           for your loan.
        \_ Most 30 year loans have pre-pay penalties. Banks prefer to have a
           \_ Not from what I've seen.  Certainly my 30 year loadn has no
              prepayment penalty.
           long income stream on paper, that they don't have to modify with
           prepayments. If you are able to pay it off in 15 years easily,
           go for it!
        \_ Some idiots posted below.
        \_ YMMV. Lots of people buy houses so that they have LESS spending
           money, because when you have lots of extra spending money, you
           can easily "blow" a lot of it... either the $500/mo Fry's habit,
           nice restaurants, nice whores, clothes, or whatever. If you can
           afford a house, you probably are doing somewhat ok, and can live
           without the extra $200. On the flipside, money is meant to be spent
           so what is the point in saving it all? Find your own balance.
           What's your lifestyle? What do you want it to be?
        \_ You mean 15 vs. 30 year mortgage?  You do realize how much more you'd
           pay on the 30 year, right?  If you can affort it, you'll accrue
           equity much faster with the 15 (because of compound interest, equtity
           growth is _not_ linear).
           \_ Non-sense.  You don't know any better.  The fastest way
              to build equity is to have a 30-year-loan (hence lower
              monthly payment) but pay the same amount each month
              month as you would with a 15-year-loan (hence you pay down
              more principle each month).
              \_ How is this different from getting a real 15-year loan with
                 the same interest rate?  (Not to mention that 15-year loans
                 usually have lower interest rates than 30-year ones.)  -- yuen
                 \_ Exactly.  All that matters is the interest rate.
        \_ IANAFA (I am not a financial advisor). Depends on what you want
           to do with it. Can you live without it? If not, then go for 30,
           of course. If you can, then perhaps putting the $200 in something
           that will earn more than your mortgage interest rate will be a
           good investment. I would highly advise against just blowing the
           $200, but I'm very conservative financially.
           \_ In comparing interest, do remember that debt paid is debt
              paid whereas investment earnings still has to be taxed.
2001/5/25 [Reference/Religion] UID:21360 Activity:high
5/25    O motd formatting god, I am in awe of your curious powers. In
        appreciation of the gifts you have bestowed on us, I would
        like to erect an idol. How would you like to be represented?
        \_ You said erect.  huhuhuhuh.
        \_ The motd formatting god is not a god of idolatry.  You shall be
           cast down into the depths of 85 column formatting if you whorship
           idols.  Your spiritual contacts are all to be through the one true
           church: /etc/motd.public
           \_ 85?  Shouldn't it be 80?
              \_ Get Thee Back to Thy 40-column Filth! -Motd Formatting
                                                        High Priest
2001/5/25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:21361 Activity:nil 66%like:21363
5/25    [censorship discussion censored]
2001/5/25-27 [Computer/SW/Languages, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:21362 Activity:high
5/25    What happens when a file get truncated by redirection like cat a > b.
        What happens to the eof marker in b? If some program was reading b like
        tail.exe, when cat a>b happens, how'd that program check b has been
        reset and should reopen b for read?
        \_ it doesn't matter if it gets truncated by redirection or any other
           means. redirection is a shell abstraction, not a file system
           abstraction so the distinction is unimportant. tail -f just
           regularly polls the time stamp of the file. if it's changed, it
           rechecks the file.
           \_ are you sure it's the time stamp it checks?  because if there's
           a process constantly writing to the file, only the last modified time
           is changed; so tail can't reset it's pointer to the beginning of the
           file by looking at the time stamp.
        \_ if two programs are buffering the same file, the last one
           to flush its buffers will "win".  files are not a coherent
           shared storage unless you employ file locks.
           \_ did you fucking read the question? what the hell is wrong
              with you? he's talking about read and writer. not two writers.
              you're a fucking moron.
                \_ Are you aware of where you are?  This is the motd.  Are you
                   completely stupid?  No one reads the question.  You're a
                   fucking moron.  Welcome to the motd.
2001/5/25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:21363 Activity:nil 66%like:21361
5/25    [post on censorship censored]
2001/5/25-27 [Computer/Networking] UID:21364 Activity:very high
5/25    My professor lives on a hilltop that doesn't get DSL or cable modem.
        Someone's recommended Hughes DirecPC satellite broadband for him.
        Anyone have any experience with this?  Thanks.
        \ a better deal may be starband.  see http://www.starband.com  DirecPC is
          modem one way (suck).   Satellite latency may be annoying though.
          \_ DirecPC says it's one-way through AOL, but Earthlink and Pegasus
             are two-way.  I'm not really sure about this whole satellite
             business.
             \_ Yes, it started one-way, but now it is two-way. --dim
          \_ Don't use starband! Their service is awful. I signed up in January,
             and the service only worked for a couple hours each day.
             latency is terrible, simple shell interaction drives you nuts.
             I had to switch to DSL. Customer service is also pathetic. -gosha
        \_ try sprint broadband wireless.  ask nevman
           \_ have heard good things about this... don't know specifics, sorry.
              I do know that DirecPC really sucks... the satellite latency is
              a huge pain.              - rory
        \_ Can't your prof do his own high speed research?  Why are you putting
           your ass kissing post on here?  Grad students....
        \ a better deal may be starband.  see http://www.starband.com  DirecPC is
          modem one way (suck).   Satellite latency may be annoying though.
          \_ DirecPC says it's one-way through AOL, but Earthlink and Pegasus
             are two-way.  I'm not really sure about this whole satellite
             business.
             \_ Yes, it started one-way, but now it is two-way. --dim
          \_ Don't use starband! Their service is awful. I signed up in January,
             and the service only worked for a couple hours each day.
             latency is terrible, simple shell interaction drives you nuts.
             I had to switch to DSL. Customer service is also pathetic. -gosha
        \_ try sprint broadband wireless.  ask nevman
           \_ have heard good things about this... don't know specifics, sorry.
              I do know that DirecPC really sucks... the satellite latency is
              a huge pain.              - rory
        \_ If he can see the Berkeley hills, try http://transbay.net's wireless
           service.  1.5mbit symmetric, I think.  And it's cheaper than
           comparable SDSL.
2001/5/25-27 [Recreation/Media] UID:21365 Activity:very high
5/25    any kickboxers?
        http://formenmedia.ign.com/media/news/image/hardcore/kickboxershinsnap.mpg
        \_ i did muay thai at cal for a bit.  hard on the shins. liked it, tho.
        - paolo
           \_ Thanks for wasting my brain cells on that knowledge nugget.
              \_ any time.  really.  want more?
                 "wherever you go... there you are." - paolo
                \_ that was awesome...what was it, Mystery Men?
                   \_ my religious studies teacher, 11th grade
                      \_ You seriously believe your 11th grade teacher came up
                         with this line?  Wow... kids today.  Next they'll be
                         thinking their HS teachers came up with all the stuff
                         about using The Force.
                   \_ Thunder Karlsson.
                      \_ Try Buckaroo Banzai, Mr sarcasm.
                         \_would someone please comment on the video?!?!
                            \_ It co-starred Ellen Barkin.
                         \_ That saying has been around as long as I can
                            remember. It was popular in the 1970's. --dim
                            \_ eh?  Trip -- then I guess BB did an okay
                               job bringing it back from the dead -- that
                               was the first I had heard it, and only credited
                               source until now.  I am so sad to hear that it
                               wasn't original.
                                \_ Yeah all the talk about The Force dates
                                   back before Starwars, too.  "Use the Force,
                                   Luke" was a popular phrase in the 1960's.
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