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| 2013/4/30-5/10 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:54668 Activity:nil |
4/30 NO "jot" ?!?!?! Where is my BSD !!!!!?!!!?! -oldman
\_ What is BSD? -youngman
\_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Software_Distribution
\_ Now I feel bad for trolling. I did go to this school. -youngman |
| 2010/7/22-8/9 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/HW/Drives] UID:53893 Activity:nil |
7/22 Playing with dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/<disk> on linux and bsd:
2 questions, on linux when <disk>==hda it always gives me this off
by one report i.e. Records out == records in-1 and says there is an
error. Has anyone else seen this? Second, when trying to repeat this
on bsd, <disk>==rwd0 now, to my surprise, using the install disk and
selecting (S)hell, when I try to dd a 40 gig disk it says "409 records
in, 409 records out, / full". Which is far well below what I'd expect
on a 40 gig. If i actually fdisk the drive, and put a partition I can
dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/[rwd0a],[wd0a] but still get the off by one.
Has anyone else seen this weird behaviour? I'm pretty sure that I
should be able to dd to rwd0 in bsd just as I can dd to hda in linux.
This is an IDE drive btw. Also I set bs=512 and bs=8b to try it out
multiple ways. |
| 2010/7/21-8/9 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:53890 Activity:nil |
7/21 Can I just use ifconfig to expand my netmask on a FreeBSD box?
Are there any gotchas here? Linux forces me to restart my network
to expand my netmask.
\_ yes... and no, you don't have to restart your network on linux either
\_ Rebooting is the Ubootntoo way!
\_ Oooboot'n'tootin!
\_ Before I start any ubuntu installation, I eat alot of
beans. And super hot salsa.
\_ Well, maybe not technically, but on linux, using ifconfig wiped
out my route table, including default route. It did not on
FreeBSD, so I could just change the netmask on the fly.
\_ On linux, you have to think in russian. |
| 2009/9/4-12 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:53331 Activity:kinda low |
9/4 I'm seriously very happy Soda no longer runs FreeBSD.
FreeBSD is really going down the tubes
http://freebsdgirl.com/2009/08/its-a-dirty-job-but-someone-ha.html
\_ funny, I dont remember it geting pwned anywhere near as many tmies
as it has since the switch to Linux. And that blog post is
only abou the installer, not the running OS
\_ Aren't you amused that a total dipshit is about to maintain
sysinstall ?
\_ wouldn't know. Hard to say that there aren't dipshits
"maintaining" any other ones.
\_ you dunno how close you came to being on plan 9.
\_ I'm pretty sure Soda will be running Windows 7 in
no time, given the lack of UNIX interests these days.
Kids today don't even know who Reagan is let alone
the Star Wars project.
VMS:people in the 70s :: UNIX:kids today |
| 2009/5/4-6 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:52939 Activity:moderate |
5/4 I would appreciate a reliability ranking between:
1) OpenBSD
2) OpenSolaris
3) FreeBSD
4) Debian-Stable
5) Suse Linux Enterprise Server
\_ No RedHat?
\_ This is going to depends greatly on the applications you are
\_ This is going to depend greatly on the applications you are
running. All of these operating systems are going to be reliable
out of the box, at least as compared to MacOS or Windows.
Relative to each other I'm not sure there's much difference. I
think you are asking the wrong question to make your decision.
Other factors are going to be far more important.
\_ Think you'll also get a lot easier support if you use RedHat or
one of its many incarnations like CentOS since it seems to be the
most common enterprise Linux out there.
\_ it no longer matters for most of applications. I would urge you
look at other factors, such as software avaliability, etc.
\_ Reliability has a lot more to do with the quality of your process
than the OS you run on, at least if you run on a reasonable
non-M$ OS like any of the above. |
| 2009/4/17-23 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:52867 Activity:low |
4/17 If you have a general access AssOS machines, this is worth
taking this seriously. --psb
http://c-skills.blogspot.com/2009/04/udev-trickery-cve-2009-1185-and-cve.html
<DEAD>admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/udev-127-5.fc10<DEAD>
\_ What does this have to do with MS Windows?
\_ psb is a bsd lover.
\_ BSD never had any security flaws, nosiree.
\_ I'm just explaining what AssOS is actually referring to.
\_ OpenBSD - "Only two remote holes in the default install,
in more than 10 years!"
\_ More like "Only two installs in more than 10 years!"
\_ http://openbsd.org/users.html |
| 11/23 |
| 2009/3/27-4/2 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:52764 Activity:nil |
3/27 i just want to set up a proxy. squid is too annoying. privoxy
locks too much content down. any tips ?
\_ Use ssh's built-in SOCKS server. On the client, run "ssh -D1080
proxyhost", and then set your browser to use localhost:1080 as a
SOCKS proxy.
\_ best advice. Fuck squid. SSH has everything.
http://osdir.com/ml/user-groups.ale/2003-03/msg01182.html
\_ http://seankelly.tv/blog/blogentry.2007-03-02.4768602564
\_ http://calomel.org/firefox_ssh_proxy.html <--- pretty helpful |
| 2009/1/12-15 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:52366 Activity:nil |
1/12 new soda to run FreeBSD, we have taken it back!
\_ Daemon worshippers.
\_ there goes the linux holy land
\_ "But Stallman and Linus between them would make a better world."
\_ "If it lives only for a while, Tiberias, it still has lived."
\_ well at least the new logo is cooler
\_ I hope they start a traition of training sysamins to run freebs
on future politburos. |
| 2008/11/29-12/6 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/OS/VM] UID:52129 Activity:moderate |
11/29 I'm experimenting with virtualization, and as a poor college student
I'm wondering what the best alternatives for virtualization are, and
how best to cut my teeth on messing with non-linux platforms (or I
guess interesting stuff on Linux would work too). Right now I've got
FreeBSD7 running on KVM on my home computer (on a Core 2 Quad), and am
somewhat at a loss as to how to use it. (More details: bridged
networking, disk is a 8GB partition software raid1'ed over 3 disks).
In any case, KVM seems to just 'work', but as the CSUA is planning to
offer VMs soon, I'd like to know if there are better alternatives,
particularly considering that when I put my computer to sleep without
shutting down the guest OS, the computer wouldn't start back up, I had
to cold-boot, and the disk image got corrupted. From what I hear,
VMWare's offering is solid, but the useful administration software is
thousands of dollars. Ideally, free software or something sustainable
without repeated donations of software, and easy to administrate would
be best. Does anyone have suggestions? --toulouse
\_ At my job, we use Vmware 2.0. it is free. i run vms. there
are graphical admin tools. I could buy Vmware ESX, which gets
me I guess better admin tools, better performance vmotion and fail
over.
\_ Someone here works at VMWare and was recruiting 2 years ago.
Calling the VMWare guy! We need a free educational license!
Oh well, he's probably not going to respond until Monday.
Us old farts have kids and family things to go on weekends.
Oh, try this. And yes we use VMWare in our company and it
is really great. You can get snapshots of the machine, run
multiple instances on a single machine (since most machines
are underutilized). Our production servers are also in
VMWare for superior bug isolation and debuggability:
http://www.vmware.com/partners/academic
\_ What, you mean CSUA alums have lives? Unthinkable! --toulouse
\_ Isn't VMWare Server free? That's what we use in our company.
--- !OP
\_ I don't recall the details, but while the server itself is
free, I think the administration interface is expensive.
Feel free to correct me on this. --toulouse
\_ Here's the deal. Vmware has two products. The Free Version
(Vmware 2.0) , and Vmware Server ESX ( not free. lots of $$$$ ).
ESX is a different codebase than Vmware 2.0 free. With ESX,
you get better performance, better GUI tools, failover capability,
and the ability to magically move your VMs from machine to machine.\
freely available Vmware 2.0 has a gui too.
and the ability to magically move your VMs from machine to machine.
freely available Vmware 2.0 has a gui too.
\_ VirtualBox?
\_ virtualbox is a sun thing. its not vmware. it
has its strengths and weaknesses
\_ ESXi, the hypervisor, is actually free, it seems, but the magical
admin tools are a part of ESX and not ESXi:
http://www.vmware.com/products/esxi
Anyways. Paging VMWare employees...anyone here?
--Andy
Anyways. Paging VMWare employees...anyone here? --toulouse
\_ dude are you running a root name server? Vmware 2.0 is
just fine.
\_ doesn't mean ESX wouldn't be better ;). Ease of admin is a
real concern for us, and besides, if the software is
satisfactory, we might even virtualize soda itself. Given
time, if we got another server with virtualization
extensions, failover would be a large win. As you may have
noticed from recent downtime, Keg's been on the fritz
lately, so uptime's been on our minds. Without failover,
we're back to square one re: evaluating KVM vs VMWare vs
others, hence this thread. Besides, there's an argument to
be made that if we have experience managing the good stuff
here in college it'll be what we're qualified to manage once
we strike out in the real world, and/or the software that we
recommend to our superiors should we get relevant jobs
(which, arguably, a few of us will). --toulouse
here in college it'll be what we're qualified to manage
once we strike out in the real world, and/or the software
that we recommend to our superiors should we get relevant
jobs (which, arguably, a few of us will). --toulouse
\_ I guess. Really, I think Vmware 2.0 is adequate.
There are plenty of cheapass companies out there running
it.
\_ You know, when I was a poor college student, I
wasn't very picky. Seriously, the two may have
different features that you'd need in the enterprise
environment, but are you running an enterprise?
\_ Well, I'm not picky wrt/ using what works for me
(which, as I mentioned before, is KVM), but I
want the CSUA to be a bit more ambitious in its
endeavors, and as they say, shoot high, aim low
(is that the right saying?). Plus, there's the
fact that our vp is not paid, so minimizing the
addition to his workload while offering more
students to members is also a factor. In any
case, I think it'd be prudent for us to see if a
software donation is feasible, and if not, what
our other options are then. This is something
that can wait a bit, as we're waiting on those
core i7's. --toulouse
\- (80cols ... reformatted)
\_ well if this is about the CSUA rather than
personal edification, how about first dealing
with the frequent crashes/outages of soda ...
or is this an attempt to do so? [this seems
odd to me, but whatever]. second, to abuse
a quote a bit, "software is the continuation of
policy by other means" ... "what [csua] problem
are you trying to solve" [via this software, via
donation campaign/new hardware etc]. BTW, with
regard to giving csua people experience with
expensive tools, i actually think part of the
reason a lot of ex-csua people have been
successful systems people is they resorted
to hacking togethe things and thus understanding
how they work under the hood, rather than
throwing money at the problem [hardware and
softwarewise] ... i'm not saying you should say
solve all problems that way ... like if you need
disk space today, just go buy a cheap disk
rather than scrounging, but just the observation
in the past, some of this hacking to debug
something or getting it to work (and much of
this was pre-google) served people well.
\_ Yep, real learning comes as part of the
struggle. In some sense, it would be better
for students not to primarily have experience
with enterprise software packages since
these are made "easy to use" for the corporate
drones who wouldn't survive if they had to
have any real degree of understanding of how
the system actually works.
\_ Well, the learning I was looking for when
putting the idea forward (since I suggested
it) was geared towards people exposing
themselves to different OS'es and playing with
root in a sandbox. This is the problem I want
to solve, not training people in enterprise
applications. Also, soda hasn't been crashing
-- it's been keg, which serves our LDAP, that
(as I said before) has been on the fritz. If
keg goes down, then logging in does not work.
Politburo intends to buy a new server for
this; however since the Core i7 is coming out
we don't want a purchase now to be obsolete
upon arrival. We have the opportunity now to
solve two problems at once: allow interested
members access to their own personal VMs, and
increase stability of our servers. We can most
definitely do without failover, but then the
uptime problem isn't as completely solved.
The idea of getting students experienced in
adminning VMWare may be of low priority for
the CSUA as a whole; on the other hand, it is
(IMO) the strongest argument to be made to
VMWare.
In summary (and in my opinion) -- high
priorities are increasing uptime and developing
skills with adminning systems.
low priorities are developing VMWare admin
skills and...well, steven should be coming on
soon to offer his opinion. --toulouse
\_ Can't you request a free license for VI3 from VMware at
http://www.vmware.com/partners/academic
\_ You could try virtual box from Sun, it is free and runs many x86
OSes:
http://www.virtualbox.org
http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Guest_OSes
Re VMWare - Fusion for OSX is very nice and quite affordable (I've
seen it on sale recently for as little as $30). It has GUI admin
tools and the unified mode makes using windows apps almost like
using native OSX apps.
I'm currently using Fusion to run WinXP and Ubuntu and have used
it in the past to run Solaris x86 and FreeBSD as well. I usually
run XP and OSX concurrently and haven't ever had any problems with
the XP VM getting corrupted when I sleep my iMac. If you have a Mac
I'd recommend getting it.
\_ I don't think you understand what he's trying to do.
\_ Maybe I misunderstood, but isn't part of what he is trying to
do is becoming more familiar with non-linux systems ("I'm
wondering ... how best to cut my teeth on messing with non-
linux platforms"). If he has a mac, Fusion is a good way to
accomplish this - it can run Solaris, Linux, *BSD, Windows,
&c. and will help him get a feel for those systems. Virtual
Box, while not as nice as Fusion (at least on Mac), is a
free way to accomplish the same.
\_ These are two different objectives. I'm talking about setting
up VMs as a service for CSUA so we can consolidate our machines
while maintaining some sort of security and OS diversity (linux
+ BSD at least) If toulouse wants to learn about
virtualization
of course Fusion is a good option (he does have a mac), but
that's a different aim. --Steven
up VMs as a service for CSUA so we can consolidate our
machines while maintaining some sort of security and OS
diversity (linux + BSD at least) If toulouse wants to learn
about virtualization of course Fusion is a good option (he
does have a mac), but that's a different aim. --Steven
\_ Hey guys - Steven here
Thought I'd weigh in on the situation. The recent outages have
indeed been because Keg has been crashing (as presumably toulosue
pointed out) and I'm fairly sure it's a hardware issue. We're
simply running too much IO through the (decently old) system
and parts of it have already failed (we've lost one of the
ethernet controllers already) so I'm willing to blame the system
instead of the software. That said, we're hoping to buy a massively
cool system when Core i7 Xeons come out (thinking 16+ cores). At
that point it seems reasonable to look at virtualization. I've
used Fusion and Virtualbox in the past, so I'm not new to it
by any means - but one of the requirements is that it's easy to
admin/use. The issue here is the host OS - I'd like to use ZFS for
the disk array we'd need to have to back all this. Linux doesn't
seem to have a very good filesystem for this sort of thing - ext4
isn't stable, btrfs is still even further off, ext3/LVM is pretty
hacky, JFS/XFS really really need battery backups to not lose data,
and reiserfs's future is very unstable.
ZFS offers ZVOLs which seem to be perfect for giving out virtual
partitions. Right now we have Soda mounting off of Keg via NFS
which as you may have noticed is a serious performance and stability
problem, so I'd prefer not to go with NFS again. The network FSes
out there all seem to suck in one way or another, so local storage
(especially for something like this) seems to be a must.
Since that limits us to using FreeBSD or OpenSolaris as a host OS
\_ or OSX, see:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/5zo987
[developer.apple.com - zfs(8)]
\_ We're not rich enough to buy a
Mac Pro/XServe :(
(unless Linux ends up having a decent fs by the time we actually
get this running). Virtualbox doesn't seem to work well on FreeBSD
(as in not at all) and Xen seems to not play nicely with either
BSD or Solaris as a dom0. VMWare won't run on BSD either - not
sure about Solaris, which is why I was looking at ESX. The problem
with ESX is that it runs on only about 3 supported hardware
configurations which are pretty hard to build on our budget.
Discuss?
I'll hang around and maybe get into this whole motd thing ;)
\_ Virtual Box on OpenSolaris w/ ZFS sounds like it would probably
work. I used to know some OpenSolaris people when I was at sun,
and could probably put you in touch with them if you run into
problems. -ex-Sun
\_ That'd be neat, I'll do so if we go that route and have
troubles |
| 2008/6/13-20 [Computer/SW/Compilers, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:50257 Activity:nil |
6/13 Anybody know of a library that can do the following in *BSD systems?
Add a function call like "if (debug) print_backtrace()" and it
would print out the stack trace. Similar to setting a breakpoint
in GDB and then doing "bt". Running GDB is not an option sometimes. |
| 2008/3/18-21 [Science/Electric, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/Theory] UID:49488 Activity:low |
3/18 Walking robot video, really cool!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1czBcnX1Ww
\_ From MIT. All the good stuff's from MIT & Furd. Where's
cool stuff from Cal?
\_ BSD? Atomic Bomb?
\_ Actually RHex, which was a philosophical precursor to BigDog,
came out of motion work done by Bob Full at Cal. -tom
\_ Wow, that *is* impressive, especially the recovery after getting
kicked. And recovering on ice! Walking across loose stones!
Jumping!
\_ That is utterly cool! Thank you for posting that!
\_ Mount a machine gun on top... John Conner would be proud!
\_ They showed that on discovery channel or something months ago.
Where are the sexless tv watchers when you need them?
\_ obIWelcomeOurNewRobotOverlords |
| 2007/11/14-21 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:48636 Activity:moderate |
11/14 Any reason I should format my disk in JFS or XFS or REISERFS
instead of good old EXT3 (this is Linux, obviously) ?
\_ XFS supports larger filesystems than ext3, which may or may not
matter to you.
\_ The "larger" filesystem quantifier is no longer big of an
\_ What if I really do want to get rid of her?
issue, especially if you're using 64-bit OS. But if you're
working with large files, this is where xfs shines. ReiserFS
is still better at handling many small files. I have no
experience with JFS. Last I used ReiserFS, it had no
dump/restore tools, which may or may not matter to you.
\_ if you go with resierfs, your wife might go missing and you get
the blame for her disappearance!
\_ Don't kill your wife and it won't be a problem.
\_ What if I really do want to get rid of her?
\_ Divorce is less risky than murder.
\_ I still haven't found a fs format that plays well with mac / windows
and unix all at the same time. Fat32 is a weak kludge ,
and it won't handle files larger than 1 gig i believe.
\_ There's now an ext2/ext3 driver availiable for Windows. I use
\_ There's now an ext2/ext3 driver available for Windows. I use
that for my shared drive now rather than Fat32. I don't know
about Mac.
\_ is it reliable? do you trust it?
\_ Well, I haven't had any trouble with it. Of course, I'm
not doing anything all that important either, and it's all
backed up. It's not the most user friendly thing in the
world. It doesn't automount the ext2 drives, for example.
Here's the link. http://www.fs-driver.org
\_ Did zfs end up in Leopard, or was it pulled before release?
There are slow-but-working zfs support for linux and windows,
as well as ports to freebsd and of course, opensolaris.
\_ ext3 does not support online defragmentation.
\_ We looked at all four file systems a few years back and ext3 was
the most reliable by far. JFS is a distant second, but there are
still cases in the code where a power outage at the wrong time will
lead to massive data loss. XFS does not support errors during
journal replay (by design) and thus is TOTALLY UNSUITABLE for any
data you really care about (again, by design). The last I looked,
ReiserFS had some fundamental errors / race conditions in journal
replay. When it is my data, I use ext3. --twohey
\- i'm curious how much of your finding were things flawed-by-
design vs. implementations bugs [which could have been fixed
since], as well as if you were just looking at the potential for
irrecoverable data loss, or worst case performance issues
[like some fs+hardware combos seem to have problems with
high metarate operation rates, or concurrency etc]. anyway,
if you have some ptrs to papers you think have still relevant
results, i'd be interested. [btw, have you seen ibm gpfs?
that fs blew me away from day 1]. --psb
\_ How much is gpfs?
\- One Million Dollars, Mr. Bond.
\_ It has been about 5 years but XFS+Linux was horrible at that
time. We lost a lot of data on Linux XFS. SGI XFS was like
magic, though. We brutally punished an SGI box and it kept
on ticking.
\_ You might want to try Veritas' VxFS. They give it away with
VxVM in a combination called "Storage Foundation Basic". I think
they limit the number of file systems you can use in the free
version.
\_ Thanks for pointing out the freebie version.
\_ I've always wondered about VxFS, but never had a chance to
get my hands on it. What are some of the advanced features
it provides over usual list of linux/bsd file systems? |
| 2007/9/13-14 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:48044 Activity:nil |
9/12 This guy seems to have a good gig going. Hack on some BSD stuff
with no deadlines, and use project donations money to travel the world.
http://zeus.theos.com/deraadt
I guess he's kinda like that guy with the dancing videos. But Theo
doesn't dance. Or take videos.
\_ Start your own niche OS project that businesses want. |
| 2007/9/11-13 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:48016 Activity:nil |
9/11 Hi does anyone else run linux/freebsd on their Desktop?
Do you encrypt your home directory? How does that play nice
with hibernation/suspend? Do you have to enter in a secret
key when you log in? Could you give a short summary of how
this all works? thank you!
\_ I'm a FreeBSD user. I do not encrypt my home directory
as I don't keep anything important there. I do have GBDE
partitions, and occasionally have soft links to files there
from my home directory. Once attached, GBDE partition is
"just there." Hibernation/suspend should not affect it.
I don't hibernate/suspend anyway. I'd think that if you
have a good password, and lock your X session (or just log
out), you'd be safe. If the machine is rebooted, GBDE
partition is gone. You need to re-attach with the
password. |
| 2007/5/23-28 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:46736 Activity:nil |
5/23 Anyone know anything about prelinking/prebinding on freebsd? I have
few binaries that change its checksum every now and then and am
trying to figure out if it's hacked, bad disk, or prelinking. How do
I find out if it's due to prelinking? Thanks! |
| 2007/3/15-17 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:45977 Activity:nil |
3/14 http://www.csua.org/u/i8o Remote exploit in OpenBSD kernel. Security is hard. And yes, it would be really difficult to exploit this in practice. -dans |
| 2007/3/13-14 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:45949 Activity:nil |
3/13 OpenBSD 4.1 preorder is up:
http://www.openbsd.org/items.html#41 |
| 2006/10/30-11/1 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/OS/OsX, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:45042 Activity:low |
10/30 Anyone have recommendations for a reasonably stable filesystem that
I can use on large (~150GB) external USB drives, that's read/
writeable by XP, MacOS and possibly FreeBSD/Linux? -John
\_ If you want write access from all three, I think you're stuck with
fat32.
\_ Which BTW limits you to files of 4GB or less, so don't think you
can make DVD images.
\_ And I think 130GB partitions, that's my problem. -John
\_ That limit is supposedly only for creating/checking from
a Windows system. Unix tools will let you format larger
partitions, after which newer Windows can mount rw.
\_ That's what I thought, but I just tested it on a W2K
box and no dice. For some reason it pukes on large
file copies, and when the data mount exceeds ~half the
drive size. Funny enough MacOS also crapped out on
a FAT32 drive formatted...on my Mac. -John
\_ Just curious, why isn't 130GB large enough and why
does it have to be r/w across multiple unrelated OS?
\_ 130 would be plenty except I haven't gotten it
to work. It's the drive I ended up putting all
my backup game ISOs, ripped music and DVD rips
on while in S. America (they're on a raid5
array on a FreeBSD box serving samba at home) and
I'd like to be able to read/write from both my
Mac and my PC while abroad. -John
\_ vxfs
\_ vxfs does not support windows xp, mac osx, or freebsd
\_ interesting. there is a veritas foundation for windows
product but it only supports the windows file systems but
otherwise looks very much like their vxfs based unix product.
\_ The project to port VxFS to Windows got canned because
Microsoft opposed it, so Storage Foundation on Windows
is just Volume Manager. |
| 2006/10/15-16 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:44824 Activity:nil |
10/15 Stupid photo format question: anyone have a clue whether it's
possible to play with EXIF data in Canon Raw (CR2) format with a
tool like jhead (does CR2 even use EXIF?) -John
\_ exiftool (p5-Image-ExifTool port in FreeBSD) supports CR2
files and much more.
\_ You, sir, are a scholar and a gentleman. Thank you. -John |
| 2006/10/1-2 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:44614 Activity:nil |
9/30 For YEARS I have messed around with X and sound and video
and your mom on FreeBSD 3 4 5 6 7, but last week I installed
UBUNTU and everything just fucking works. Die FreeBSD Die!
\_ but Linux is not a real OS...
\_ it's good enough for your Desktop or laptop |
| 2006/9/27-28 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/Security] UID:44580 Activity:nil |
9/27 OpenSSH 4.4 is leftist
http://www.openssh.org/txt/release-4.4
OpenBSD src:
http://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/OpenSSH/openssh-4.4.tar.gz
OpenBSD src signature:
http://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/OpenSSH/openssh-4.4.tar.gz.asc
Portable src:
http://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/OpenSSH/portable/openssh-4.4p1.tar.gz
Portable src signature:
http://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/OpenSSH/portable/openssh-4.4p1.tar.gz.asc |
| 2006/9/22-25 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:44496 Activity:nil |
9/22 OpenBSD 4.0 available for pre-order:
http://www.openbsd.org/40.html |
| 2006/8/16-18 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:44024 Activity:nil |
8/16 Greatest piece of software ever written is 4.3 BSD:
http://tinyurl.com/go7lv (informationweek.com)
\_ Windows is run by more computers than all other OS combined.
\_ that only makes it common, not great.
\_ If it wasn't great people wouldn't use it. They'd use 4.3
BSD.
\_ And DaVinci Code was a bestseller...
\_ And a fine film!
\_ And DaVinci Code was a bestseller...
\_ Last I heard, DOS is run by more computers than all Windows
combined.
\_ Was that 1997?
\_ I have never used any other operating system other than
Windows. -average American male
\_ Aha, you just contradicted yourself! An average
American male wouldn't even know what an operating
system is.
\_ I disagree with the placements but I couldn't have written a
better article myself. It is somewhat educational but more
importantly it is somewhat entertaining. Thanks for posting the
article. Go BSD we'll miss you!!!
\_ BSD, A Real Operating System for Real Users:
http://www.openbsd.org/art/44bsd.gif
At least we still have OS X. :-)
\_ Whatever happened to spam softwares, X10 pop-ups, and my favorite
pushy push PointCast screensavers back in the mid 90s? None of them
made it to the list? |
| 2006/8/14-16 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/Languages/Web] UID:43990 Activity:nil |
8/14 Anyone know if there's a FreeBSD equivalent to Linux binfmt-misc?
\_ Pretty sure not. OOC, why do you want it?
\_ Just setup apache with suexec and fcgid. wanted userdir
php modules to start in suexec w/o having to copy php binary
to each user's public_html. For now, will just create an
entry in httpd.conf for each user and have a wrapper script
copied to the public_html. -op |
| 2006/7/10-11 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:43614 Activity:kinda low |
7/10 How do I put 2 addresses on google map? I want to see 2 flags and
their relative positions on the satellite page when detailed
maps are not available. I am entering them as
longitude/latitude coordinates and one address works
beautifully... Thanks.
\_ Try http://maps.ask.com, it'll probably let you do this. --dbushong
\_ Or Yahoo Maps Beta. I find it easier to use than http://maps.ask.com.
\_ Ah yes, the flash-only application that FreeBSD users can't use
(natively). Yahoo!, you've forgotten your roots!
\_ why cant you run flash on freebsd?
\_ Macromedia doesn't make a plugin for FreeBSD (and apparently
\_ Adobe doesn't make a plugin for FreeBSD (and apparently
their Linux plugin's getting long in the tooth, too)
\_ internally Yahoo is windows and linux desktops and the servers
are going linux. "thanks for the free beer."
\_ Damn, Yahoo's satellite coverage of other countries are
sadly lacking, for example. Shanghai, Beijing. So is there
a way to put 2 flags up on google? How does the
craiglist/map site http://www.housingmaps.com work?
\_ You have to sign up (it's free) to use the Google maps API.
Google gives you an access key to embed in your web page
and has pretty useful documentation on figuring out how
to do what you want. It's pretty cool, check it out. --peterl |
| 2006/6/15-19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:43412 Activity:nil |
6/15 Alright, wall.log rotations *should* be back and working right
We'll find out at 4AM, when it rotates.
Also, find a number of old wall tools reinstated in /csua/bin
--michener
\_ Okay, so date(1) on BSD is different than Linux. And my perms
are better now. So hopefully this evening instead. |
| 2006/5/2-3 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:42887 Activity:nil |
5/1 What causes lockd to get stuck?
\_ Bugs in the Linux kernel, or maybe incompatibilies with the
FreeBSD NFS server on keg. This was not the same problem we
were having before, which was a bug in Linux 2.6.16; that one
hasn't come back since we downgraded to 2.6.15. --mconst
\_ Wouldn't a 2.4 series kernel like the one in RHEL3 be
more stable? |
| 2006/4/30-5/4 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:42866 Activity:nil |
4/30 Whipped up a quick python script to bring wallall into the world of
RSS! Point your readers (including Safari!) at
http://csua.berkeley.edu/wallrss.cgi
and enjoy some inane fun...
--michener
\_ The undergrads rock! Moving soda off of FreeBSD was the best thing
to happen to the CSUA in years!
\_ that is the OS of sysadmins, and people who run ISPS. Not
exactly the sort that encourage new thinking/memes. how long
did it take for cardbus to be put into freebsd... anyway glad
to see ppl are doing neat things.
\_ This (and thus wall logs)may be accessible by google now.
\- pp inquiry: if freebsd is the "sysadmin/isp os" how
would you characterize linux?
\_ This is silly. All of the data on soda being deleted and
starting from scratch w/ a fresh FreeBSD install would have
had the same effect. Linux doesn't "encourage new thinking"
in its users.
\_ They infact did this, soda was first paved over with
some bsd, but no one stepped forth to port stuff. Look
Linux in general has "encouraged new thinking" hence it
supports more HW, has more drivers, and a larger user base.
\_ Really? The source, filesystems, data, everything gone?
I don't remember that.
\_ #f. The undergrads are porting old CSUA utils that
haven't been touched in years. That's gotten them making
new software, like the wall -> rss tool michener rolled.
I think that's cool. Don't you?
\_ When Soda was reinstalled with FreeBSD several years
ago, the stupid custom scripts from Dynix were
ported to FreeBSD. We're not talking rocket
science here. wall_hosers, wall, nwrite, whatever.
I'm sure most stuff will get ported to Linux
eventually. To arbitrarily say "When FreeBSD
was installed all development stopped, but
now that we have Linux the undergrads have
have a new burst of creativity and productivity
by letting fucking google crawl the wall log"
is stupid.
\_ What exactly is arbitrary about the statement?
Please point me to the 1337 archives of software
that were written by CSUA undergrads between 1997
and 2005. An undergrad took an existing CSUA
commmunity tool and extended it to make it available
via current technology, in this case, RSS. What,
exactly, is your problem with that? That it changes
things? That it makes soda no longer your personal
playground where you make the rules? Deal with it.
What part of Computer Science UNDERGRADUATE
Association don't you understand?
\_ This (and thus wall logs) may be accessible by google now.
Caveat emptor.
\_ Not "caveat wallor"?
\_ And this is bad, why? Because it cracks open our insulated
little sandbox to the world?
\_ Paolo, why do you hate my sandbox? - danh
\_ not bad. it just IS. I'm telling people so they know.
Good or Bad are niceties I don't have the time for. Cheers. |
| 2006/4/15-5/21 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:42772 Activity:nil |
4/15 Soda is up -- in a testing sort of mode. This time, we're over on
Debian. A lot of stuff should work as well as it did before on
FreeBSD 6.1 -- and the stuff that is broken, well, one thing
at a time. Special thanks to mconst, michener, mikeh, edilaic and
mrauser -- should start a band, "4 M's and an E" |
| 2006/4/15 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:42747 Activity:nil |
4/15 So much for "We are Berkeley we must use FreeBSD" :) |
| 2006/3/30-31 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:42531 Activity:nil |
3/30 Possibly of interest to people following earlier motd discussion of
linux (AssOS) and freebsd for high speed packet capture.
www8.in.tum.de/research/papers/conext05schneider-poster.pdf |
| 2006/3/25-26 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:42421 Activity:very high |
3/24 Wow! FreeBSD sure is stable! After seeing soda's amazing uptime
record, I sure want to go replace my Linux boxes with FreeBSD!
Please do not delete this, or burn down Linus' house because I have
blasphemed the holy FreeBSD. I'd love to see a genuine discussion with
examples from both sides comparing the stability of *modern* FreeBSD
and Linux machines running on x86 hardware. -dans
\_ Wow! You're sure a dumbass!
\_ Wow! You're a cunt. A not particularly amusing one at that.
I'm sorry, did I use facts to mock your operating system of
choice? -dans
\_ Hope you are not blaming all instability on our box, EECS network
is undergoing some maintenance (as noted in motd.official) and thus
much of any downtime experienced is due to all of eecs net being
unavailible. -mrauser
\_ How can you possibly compare soda to your X many production Linux
or anything else installs? Soda is nothing like a production box.
Also, the idea that anyone's boxes have uptime of 2+ years just
means someone isn't patching them. It would be a very rare 2 year
window for any mainstream unix/unix-like OS to not have a
must-reboot patch, kernel update, etc. Lengthy uptimes don't
impress me with the quality of the OS. They make me unimpressed
with the lack of administrative quality time devoted to maintaining
the machines. Service uptime is critical, box uptime is not.
Service uptime is what various load balancing schemes exist to
provide. As far as having latest shiney new driver or not, that
depends on the environment. A large budget facility doesn't need
to care because the new shiney is coming from a large company who
damned well better provide a production quality driver. In a lesser
environment I find it difficult to accept that there's some new
shiney that was required for production business operations that
didn't come with a good driver. The rest is just toys. Any
hardware product that doesn't come with a good driver isn't
production ready and doesn't go into my data center. As far as
desktops, shrug, I don't care. That's all eye candy anyway. Most
users were just as productive with DOS 3.1 as they are with whatever
is on their system today. Probably more productive then since
multi-tasking was extremely difficult so there were no distractions
from email, surfing, downloading that new mp3, tweaking their
desktop brackground to "just the right shade of pink", etc.
\_ soda runs FreeBSD. soda is unstable. By induction all FreeBSD
\- sloda runs FreeBSD. soda is unstable. By induction all FreeBSD
machines are unstable and dans' brain has been classified as: small.
Did you write this or did tom forge this to make you look like
did you write this or did holube forge this to make you look like
an idiot?
\_ If you're the same asshole who called me a dumbass the last time,
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn't read
my response the first time. You don't deserve I suspect you
nuked the post when I lambasted your beloved FreeBSD with facts.
My original comment is snarky and sarcastic, but dumbass guy
[you?] is[/are] a stupid, humorless git who doesn't understand
that humor and rigorous argument do not always serve the same
purposes. He wanted to throw a temper tantrum. I'd like to read
actual information. I'll repeat what I said last time: in my
experience with many (n > 50) modern (within in the last 4-5
years) Linux boxen under moderate to heavy load, they have
proved quite stable (ignoring several boxes with bad hardware,
uptime ranging from 6 months to 2+ years and counting). In my,
admittedly limited (n approx 10), experience with FreeBSD hosts
in the same time frame, uptime is around 3 months average, with
2 instances like soda where uptime is measured in days or weeks,
sometime as bad as hours. If you want to be a dick, for reasons
I don't understand, a disgustingly common characteristic of
members of the FreeBSD community, and delete this thread, go
ahead, I will repost.
P.S. tom, is that you? I know you're delusional, but, seriously
this is over the top.
-dans
\_ Anybody want to make bets on whether dans will suffer
a brain malfunction or leave soda in disgust in the
next 12 months. He seems to be showing some of the
early warning signs. Yanking the dans chain is now
clearly an amateur sport. Tom on the other hand is
immune to being shamed even after repeatedly making
immune to being sshamed even after repeatedly making
a fool out of himself.
\_ You're a pretty sorry troll, I give you a 2.7 out of 10.
Score includes the following mandatory deductions:
-2 not funny
-.7 verbose, which says a lot coming from someone with my
verbal diarrhea.
P.S. Interrogative statements are concluded with a
question mark, not a period.
P.P.S. I already suffer from a genetic brain malfunction,
the good news is that it's merely life threatening, not
behavorial like the dementia I suspect tom suffers from. :)
P.P.P.S. I'll take that action. $100 says you're wrong.
-dans
\_ Please don't get mad at me, but I think you may have been
trolled. Dude, name calling, insults, whatever, it's just
the motd and it's the norm, m'kay? -not the pp
\_ Oh, it's cool. I don't mind being trolled, especially
when it's well done, unlike the preceding. I really want
to hear people's experiences with modern Linux and FreeBSD
uptimes. -dans
\- the problem with AssOS is not uptime. --psb
\_ Please enlighten me oh mighty, unbiased partha!
What is the problem with Linux? Why is AssholeOS
superior?
One non-technical aspect of the two operating
systems that seems to play a key role in the success
and popularity of each is the ethos of their
supporting communities.
The Linux community is fundamentally more
supportive and inclusive. This gives rise to a
particular problem, the hordes of L1NUX RUL3Z, M$
SUX0RZ kiddies, but, as long as you're not reading
Slashdot, it seems pretty easy to ignore them.
Also, some grow up into smart, clueful people.
Plus, the larger community size means there are more
people with clue in very specific, narrow areas who
take the time to write code, documentation, or
otherwise. IMO, it's a net benefit for knowledge,
and it's obvious that Linux is significantly more
popular and widely used than FreeBSD.
The FreeBSD community, on the other hand, is
fundamentally exclusive and critical. It seems to
be peopled largely with folks who believe they have
clue that was earned through years of pain and toil,
and lashings at the hands of community elders.
Consequently, members of the FreeBSD community seem
more interested in making n00bs suffer like they did
rather then helping folks out. Its hard to evaluate
whether typical members of the FreeBSD community
actually have clue or not since they are so
unwilling to get of their high horse and share.
\- freebsd community unwilling to share?
this is delusional. kqueue, softupdate,
bpf, sort of, VM work.
Notably, Google uses Linux, not FreeBSD, are the
people that made that decision idiots and dumbasses?
Why? -dans
\- why do you think i am biased? ... i assume
you are claiming that my judgement is colored
by something other than the relevant facts,
rather than i have come to form an opinion?
i can accept that i am biased in my evaluation
of say MSFT products because i think they are
evil fuckers, but i dont think i am a priori
biased against linux. --psb
\_ You've been using the name AssOS for years.
This suggests that you are judging Linux based
on what it was many years ago when FreeBSD was
clearly superior. Wouldn you fault Mac OS X
because Mac OS 9 left much to be desired? Of
course not, that would be biased. When was
the last time you looked at a modern version
of Linux without years of historical bias? I
looked at FreeBSD 5.x RELEASE about six months
ago. Also, you have yet to state any facts,
other than that stability is not the problem
with Linux. What is? -dans
\- i dont "look at OSes" ... i have to work
with them fairly consistently and frankly
one of the irritations with linux is the
"working set" of problems changes a lot.
anyway, my point above was the problem
with linux or freebsd is not "it keeps
crashing". a rolex might be better than
a rolexxx because the hands are less likely
to fall off, but that's not a great standard
to evaluate a ppatek vs rolex. BTW, i think
solaris is a good operating system evaluated
with evans hall rather than main street
criteria. from a main street perspective
yes it is annoying it doesnt ship with emacs
but that's not really a technical criticism
of the OS. i wish linux was in better shape
while in the case of MSFT, i would be
delighed to see them fail, get sued, lose
mkt share etc. --psb
\_ I work with operating systems too. But
first I look at an OS to decide if I
want to work with it or not. In the
want to work with it or not. You may
not have that choice. In the
case of soda, however, and at least one
other FreeBSD box I worked on or with,
the issue was ``it keeps crashing,''
and, frankly that's a non-starter.
I think you and I have directly opposing
attitudes on what we feel is important
in a UNIX operating system. It appears
you like FreeBSD because it doesn't
change, or it changes at a pace that does
not disrupt your work habits. I like
Linux because it has wide support for
most new hardware, and drivers mature at
an alarming rate. I find that using a
solid distribution like Debian or
[K]Ubuntu goes a long way to keeping the
working set from changing too
drastically. It's true that,
historically, the Linux kernel gets a
major overhaul every every 1.5 to 2
years. This is often a big change,
but it's rare that one *must* upgrade
the kernel, much less do it urgently.
Of course, if you want support for shiny
new hardware like me, sometimes you need
to bite the bullet and do it. Don't
even get me started on Solaris. -dans
even get me started on Solaris. I agree
that not shipping with emacs is not a
technical criticism, but, since the vast
majority of software I use in any
computing environment is Free/Open
Source, it's important to have an easy
way to install software without needing
to build it from scratch and deal with
dependency hell. Solaris is awful for
this, its package management tools are
ancient. Also, since Sun makes a lot of
money off of training and support
contracts, it is disincentivized from
making Solaris easier to administer and
use. -dans
\- when linux breaks something like
dump because of their performance-
related decisions about how to
deal with the buffer cache, i dont
you cant just dismiss that "disrupting
my personal work habits" or when
they keep changing packet capture
details. yes, i agree linux supports
more hardware, probably has better
desktop toys etc. however if you
ever tried debuggins a crash dump
you would be pretty clear why
solaris >> linux. and i think
ports is nicer than rpm and the
design issue generally offsets the
matter of ports lagging rpm often
for shiny new stuff. sure, i've run
into problems with bsd in somewhat
obscure areas like udp coalescing
with extremely small latency paths
or pcap on machine with multiple
interfaces and potentically
asymmetric routes ... but on linux
i have run into problem with cp
and grep. --psb
--psb
and grep. BTW, pcap is an area
solaris/streams,dlpi sort of sucks
compared to bsd/bpf too. --psb
\_ I am well aware that the Solaris
kernel and process/memory tracing
utilities are vastly superior to
FreeBSD's and Linux's. It's just
not something that's relevant to
my present day needs. rpm is shit,
and I'm not a big fan of RedHat or
its derivatives (I haven't touched
it recently, I hear its'
improved). For package management,
apt and its derivatives are so
vastly superior to any other
package management system I know
of. Does ports even support binary
packages? It's 2006. Needing to
\- you are unaware of freebsd
options here.
compile every piece of software
that runs on a modern system is
ridiculous. Yes, compilation
should always be available as a
fallback/worst case scenario, but
it shouldn't be the default mode
of operation. Keep changing
packet capture details? Doesn't
everyone just use libpcap? What's
\- do you understand
libpcap doesnt use
libpcap?
changing regularly in Linux? I
suppose if you're used to dump,
that's all well and good. For my
backup needs, rsync is a superior
replacement for dump. It sounds
\- dump is just one
manifestation of
something fudamentally
broken. i cannot give
you and os lecture here
you an os lecture here.
actually i am a little
curious how fsck works
on AssOS when linus
said he didnt approve
of raw devices.
like you got bit on the ass by
some truly annoying things in the
past. Do these problems exist on
*modern* Linux machines? Is it
possible that the problem lies not
with the kernel, but with the
distribution? I have *never*
encountered problems like these on
Debian, and I've been using it
since the 2.2 kernel days. -dans
\- yes, it is basically inevitable
we will continue to be bit on
the ass because the problems
are not essentially technical
but the priorities of the
project. see e.g. the recent
motd discussion about 64bit.
ok maybe freebsd is lagging in
64bit clean file systems, but
at least you dont get weird
surprises. oh, freebsd 5.4
vs linux 2.6 on heavy gigabit
links recent enough for you
to talk about packet capture
experiences? trust me, it isnt
even close. yes, you can do
some hacking and tweaking and
get some hardware configs
where linux is comparable
or better [on intel+smp+special
kernel patches on linux while
running a mysql vs bsd out of
the box running postgres] but
fundamentally, at high rates
where you are seeing 30% drops
on linux, bsd is dropping 0.
when it come to operating systems
half a loaf is not always better
than none. say linux has a
flakey infiniband driver a
year before freebsd has a solid
one. it's unclear that year of
lead time is a benefit. --psb
\_ We can continue to split
hairs over bug foo that bit
us on the ass that one time
or driver bar that wasn't
available that other time.
I could counter your
hypothetical with the fact
that, generally speaking,
Linux supports more hardware
options which increases the
likelihood that, for any
given class of device, at
least one will have a driver
that does not suck, and I
easily find out which one
with Google. Also, comparing
mysql to postgres is apples
and oranges. mysql is fast
because it cuts corners and
is not ACID compliant with
the default myISAM tables.
I am dubious that, if you
ran the same database on
both systems, the
performance characteristics
would differ dramatically.
If mysql was 10% faster on
FreeBSD, don't you think
someone would be trumpeting
this fact loudly and
regularly? Also, if FreeBSD
was so much faster or better
suited for production
environments, why does Linux
dominate in industry? Why
did the smart folks at
Google choose Linux over
FreeBSD? The questions are
largely rhetorical, but I
think they make it clear
that Linux is not a toy, and
referring to it as AssOS is
silly and a tad juvenile.
At this point, I'm willing
to agree to disagree since
our OS needs and desires are
quite different. WRT soda,
if we rule out hardware
problems, I think it's
apparent that, FreeBSD is
not the best choice. No,
I'm not advocating that Soda
run Linux, but I would like
it to be stable. OS X
anyone? :) -dans
\_ OSX crashes just fine
for me.
The overhead of Mach, the netinfo stuff _/
and the general difficulty of remote admin'ing OS X sans Apple tools
make it less than ideal for Soda. My experience w/ linux customers
suggests that linux works well in certain environments (single
function dedicated servers: ex. technical computing,db serving, &c.;
desk- tops) but its is not very stable/secure for a heavily used
multiuser system like soda. Personally I think that OpenSolaris
would be a better option for soda.
multi- user system like soda. Personally I think that OpenSolaris
would be a better bet for soda.
Re FreeBSD - some reasons I prefer it to Linux are:
1. pf and altq - much nicer than anything inLinux. (Yes I run OBSD
\_ The overhead of Mach,
the netinfo stuff and
the general difficulty
of remote admin'ing
OS X sans Apple tools
make it less than ideal
for Soda.
My experience w/ linux
customers suggests that
linux works well in
certain environments
(single function
dedicated servers: ex.
technical computing,
db serving, &c.; desk-
tops) but its is not
very stable/secure for
a heavily used multi-
user system like soda.
Personally I think that
OpenSolaris would be
a better bet for soda.
Re FreeBSD - some
reasons I prefer it
to Linux are:
1. pf and altq -
much nicer than
anything in Linux.
(Yes I run OBSD
as well)
2. /usr/ports - much nicer than apt or rpm. But I like rebuilding
from src and excluding cruft in pkgs (I prefer dp to fink on
OS X for the same reason).
3. /usr/src - Don't have to hunt around for the src to a command/lib
function if you run into a prob. This is a big problem on Linux,
esp. w/ latest 64bit libc6, where it is hard to tell what all
patches RH, SuSE, Debian, &c. applied.
4. Rational development model - I hate having to read a bunch of email
lists to figure out how to fix X feature on kernel Y.
5. UFS + Softupdates vs. Ext3, XFS, JFS, &c. - My FreeBSD/OpenBSD
boxes suffer little/no file corruption on power related crashes,
while I've run into all sorts of problems on Linux systems w/
so-call journaling fs.
That said, I mostly work on Linux and it is okay. Mostly customers
That said, I mostly work on Linux and its okay. Mostly customers
like it b/c it is cheap and they can hire monkeys to maintain it or
just reinstall if something doesn't work. Many customers just plan
on wiping the OS every 2-3 mo and doing a clean install w/ latest
patches b/c it is too hard to figure out how to run a stable linux
system.
2. /usr/ports - much
nicer than apt or
rpm. But I like
rebuilding from
src and excluding
cruft in pkgs.
3. /usr/src - Don't
have to hunt around
for the src to a
command if you
run into a prob.
4. Rational development
I hate having to
read a bunch of
email lists to
figure out how to
fix X on kernel Y.
That said, I mostly
work on Linux and its
okay. Mostly customers
like it b/c it is
cheap and they can hire
monkeys to maintain it
or just reinstall if
something doesn't work.
Many customers just plan
on wiping the OS every
2-3 mo and doing a clean
install w/ latest patches
b/c it is too hard to
figure out how to run
a stable linux system.
\_ Why did you run MySQL on
Linux in this comparison?
Both databases are
availible on both
systems.
\- i didnt mean to compare
mysql and postgres ...
the ideal was linux and
freebsd packet capture
end up using different
amounts of cpu which has
consequences when other
things are running on the
system. so there are
weird cases where linux
will do better, but they
are artificial cases ...
like when your gigabit
capture box is and old
enough single proc box to
run out of cpu cycles.
in this case the fact that
linux uses less cpu in
some cases is not really a
virtue since you would be
a dumbass to run a db on
your pcap box.
Here is a typical linux
and freebsd story: a linux
advocate who is a medium
profile figure in the linux
community sent us a note
about linux getting <10%
packet drops on a high
use gigE link where we
were seeing freebsd drops
in the 15-25% range i
believe. he wasnt exactly
crowing but was trying to
convince us linux didnt
suck any more. this greatly
surprised us and we would
have been delighted if this
were the case. but then we
ran the test on a testbed
network with a hardware
packet generator [so we
knew exactly how many
packets had gone by and
the rate as well] and it
it really turned out linux
was misreporting the
number of dropped packets.
(btw, this was a few
cpu generations ago.
amusingly sunhardware
which cost 3-5x of the
PCs couldnt come close
to keeping up because of
the heavy user space
processing). most people
doing their home testing
dont have hardware traffic
generators and probably
would have left with the
impression linux was
better/faster.
BTW, if you want to see
more bitching about linux
(old linux) read the SOSP
paper on the google fs.
it's very much if the flavor
of my complaints. BTW, as a
condition of hiring rob pike
GOOG committed to going to
plan9. --psb
\_ Thanks for the
discussion, it's quite
interesting. I knew we
could get to this once
we got past trolling
and namecalling.
-dans |
| 2006/3/15-16 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:42241 Activity:nil |
3/14 I'm looking for a good tutorial/howto for setting up IPSEC
on my *BSD router/firewall. Basically I want to be able to
access my home network while I'm on the road (iBook w/ OSX
10.4), and I don't want to set up a bunch of SSH port forwards
to talk to various services. Any pointers?
3/14
_______________
< FEEL THE LOVE >
---------------
\ ^__^
\ (oo)\_______
(__)\ )\/\ ~
||----w | . ~ smell the love!
|| || #=.#
|| || ,.#=..
\_ There are a bunch of ways to do this. Look at http://www.kame.net
for one implementation (included in FBSD, I think). The FreeBSD
handbook also has a pretty good section on setting it up (just
search the main handbook page for 'ipsec'. Last but not least, may
I humbly recommend running M0n0wall (http://www.m0n0.ch on WRAP
or Soekris, as its IPSEC implementation is pretty airtight. -John
3/14
_______________
< FEEL THE LOVE >
---------------
\ ^__^
\ (oo)\_______
(__)\ )\/\ ~
||----w | . ~ smell the love!
|| || #=.#
|| || ,.#=.. |
| 2006/3/10-13 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:42188 Activity:low 72%like:42184 |
3/10 Isn't posner supposed to be smart?
http://csua.org/u/f7i (news.com.com)
\- What is your point? also since he would have been hearing it
at the appelate level, his comment may be on some narrow legal
point. i imagine he approaches this in interms of his econ
approach about what ruling produces "efficient outcomes".
\_ this is so fcuked up.
\_ The guy who wrote the http://news.com.com must have read a different
opinion than the linked Posner one. Reading the linked Posner
decision, what the http://news.com.com article claims are "two
remarkable leaps" are actually just direct application of the
US Code ("damage" includes "any impairment to the integrity or
*availability* of data" [emphasis added]) or a previous decision
\_ I disagree. That US Code is "unconstitutionaly vague".
Simply deleting the files constitutes "impairent" to the
"availability of data." If attempting to delete the files
was a violation, then fine. But the fact that he happened
(unlike most people) to know how to *actually* delete the
files, is, im(ns)ho, irrelevant.
("violating the duty of loyalty, or failing to disclose adverse
interests, voids the agency relationship" State v. DiBiulio).
\_ The way I read the statute, IAC needs to show the following
in order to state a claim under the statute:
1. Citrin knowingly transmitted a program
2. To a protected computer; AND
3. Citirn intentionally used that program
4. To cause damage to the data on the computer; AND
5. Citrin was not authorized to cause that damage.
Posner is hearing the case on appeal from a dismissal for
failure to state a claim. Basically, at this point his
job is to assume that Citrin actually did all the things
IAC says he did and figure out if that would be enough
for IAC to get relief.
Added to this is the suggestion that some of the data
that was deleted may have been incriminating evidence
re a breach of contract or breach of the duty of loyalty
claim.
Given that it is so early in the game and the potential
destruction of evidence Posner seems to think that it is
probably a good idea to have Citrin tell the trial judge
his side of the story before the case is dismissed.
Re "damage" == "delete": To me, it seems clear that it is
within Congress' power to reach unauthorized deletions of
data from a protected computer under the Commerce Clause.
If you access my computer w/o my authorization, intentionally
install srm(1) and then srm /bsd, I think Congress has the
power to hold you liable.
I don't see the 5th amend vaguness argument, please explain. |
| 2006/3/9-11 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:42156 Activity:nil |
3/9 OpenBSD 3.9 available for preorder:
http://www.openbsd.org/39.html
\_ When they changed binary formats and the only real upgrade path
was "back up your data, install to a fresh disk and reinstall", I
gave up, went to FreeBSD, figured out how to get 'pf' running on
FreeBSD (it wasn't as well supported on FBSD then) and moved on.
OBSD has that whole super security thing going on and CARP and
whatnot but for a box doing anything more than just firewalling I'm
a lot happier with FBSD. I'd still use OBSD for a pure firewall,
though in most circumstances.
\_ FreeBSD did a binary format change at some point too. Have you
noticed how much of /csua/bin/ doesn't run now with exec format
errors?
\_ I think you can compile into the kernel binary compat
of older versions but i might now know what i am talking
about.
\_ You can compile in binary compat as far back as 2.x--each
version has had some form of binary change, although
between most major version changes, it didn't affect most
binaries as I recall. The only one where I had to do a
ton of recompiling was 4.x to 5.x -John
\_ Between what versions? I didn't use FBSD until 5.x. Anyway,
what I was getting at is that OBSD was too limited in other
ways and that if I had to start from scratch anyway I was
going to use the more feature rich system that was 'secure
enough' for my needs.
\_ I completely agree. I pretty much only use OpenBSD for
firewall/routing. For everything else I use either FreeBSD
or OSX. It would be really k3wl if OSX started using pf
for its firewall. |
| 2006/3/8-9 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Computer/SW/Editors/Vi] UID:42140 Activity:moderate |
3/8 Poll, stupid political drivels make the motd:
more interesting: .....
stupid: ..
\_ This poll question has an inherent bias!
\_ What would the motd be w/o drivel?
\_ more linux vs. freebsd drivels? vi vs. emacs drivels?
I'll take technical drivels over pointless political ones any day |
| 2006/2/28-3/1 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:42029 Activity:low |
2/28 It switched again. Lines from old and new motds:
< FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE (MKVII) #0: Fri Dec 17 17:40:05 UTC 2004
---
> FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE (SODA-MINIMAL) #0: Fri Dec 17 17:40:05 UTC 2004
Although uname says we're still on soda-minimal.
\_ I think there was a power failure. Blame god.
\_ Where can we see a record of the reboots and such?
\_ man last
\_ Bwahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha
hahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha
hahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha
hahahaahahahahahahahahaIamnotanassholeahahahahahahahahahahahaaha
hahahaahahahahahahahahaIamsoanassholeahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha
hahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha
hahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha
hahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha
hahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha
I'm sorry. Did you say something? I was just struck by the
uncontrollable urge to laugh at absurdity. -dans
\_ Wow, you're an ass.
\_ A fucking ignorant ass, no less.
\_ No, the notion that the csua would keep records, ahem a
log, if you will, of system administration tasks above
and beyond what the system does automagically really is
laughable to anyone who spent enough time around the
csua to be even remotely familiar with its history and
culture. So is the idea that requests for basic unix
information on the motd will be dignified with a
helpful response. Though it does make me feel warm and
fuzzy that I can make anonymous cowards resort to
profanity in their ad hominem attacks. -dans
\_ So, given the choice between uselessly mouthing off,
providing an answer to a technical question, or
staying silent and not adding to the noise, you chose
to be a rude and useless jerk. Nice. At least tom
actually seems to have (and give) clue. BTW, I don't
\_ tom_jerk > tom_clue
\_ heh
know which motd you've been reading, but I've seen
*a lot* of n00b questions get answered here without
empty sanctimoniuous snarkiness.
--does the ad hominem thing when PP's being a jerk
\_ When did we slip into your reality? Why am I
typing with tentacles? Where's that japanese
school girl?
Letting the days go by...
\_ Uhm, yeahhh.... Speaking of people with
reality issues....in my reality the *Japanese
schoolgirls* are the ones with the tentacles.
*sheesh* kids these days....
\_ You call it noise. I call it humor. If you read
the motd regularly, then you'd know that I
provide helpful answers as well as deserved and
undeserved snarkiness. In fact, I've got at
least two helpful responses in this motd alone
(see apache2 and sendmail threads). Frankly, I
find your whole anonymous motd behaviorial critic
schtick to be pretty pathetic. If it's so
important to you, at least have the courage to
sign your posts; I do. -dans
\_ *shrug* Whatever floats your boat, dude.
\_ 'last' is what the op was looking for. I don't think
they deserved to be abused for asking a question like
they did. they certainly weren't asking for any
special logging or effort on anyone's part.
--doesn't do the ad hominen thing
\_ "last | grep reboot". I apologize in advance if this is actually
useful info.
\_ or "last reboot"
\_ Even better
\_ Excellent. Thanks. -op |
| 2006/2/23-27 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:41975 Activity:low |
2/23 Why the kernel change on soda?
\_ to monitor domestic /etc/motd.public editting. This is done
preemptively and justifiably to prevent motd terrorism.
\_ more importantly who did it and is there going to be an
announcement?
\_ What change? Clue me on the change. uname -a says:
FreeBSD http://soda.csua.berkeley.edu 5.3-RELEASE
FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE #0: Fri Dec 17 17:40:05
UTC 2004
root@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/SODA-MINIMAL
i386
\_ It wasn't on this "SODA-MINIMAL" kernel before it was down earlier
today. It came back up with the current kernel. It was on some
other kernel earlier. Can't recall which but maybe someone has
the full motd including motd.official archived which shows the
other kernel name.
soda 2: uptime
6:05PM up 8:01, 97 users, load averages: 0.39, 0.49, 0.41
\_ I am pretty sure soda is running SODA-MINIMAL. Unless
the admins are crazy privacy freaks, the kernel config
files are hiding in /usr/src/sys/i386/conf
\_ Shrug, it wasn't before the reboot according to the
motd.official entry. Maybe that was wrong and just got
updated while it was down but *something* changed.
\_ If you really think root is monitoring the motd again
with the kernel, you should take a look at the output
of kldstat:
Id Refs Address Size Name
1 9 0xc0400000 35ce50 kernel
2 14 0xc075d000 537f0 acpi.ko
3 1 0xc3a22000 2000 blank_saver.ko
4 1 0xc3a56000 17000 linux.ko
If were rad I would unload blank_saver.ko and load my
own kernel module that logs motd edits and name it
the same thing.
\_ I never said any such thing. I noticed a change in
motd.official after the reboot and asked what that
was about. Nothing more. All I said was, "Why the
kernel change on soda?"
\_ Maybe SODA is setup to boot with a certain kernel that sucks,
and after the power failure someone noticed oh no we booted
on the old sucky kernel that is .00000000000000023432043200001
less efficient than KERNEL-MINIMAL, so they rebooted
after some slave could be at the prompt to press the
'boot with KERNEL-MINIMAL' button. Also, I am reading
your mailspool.
\_ Oh thank God! I'm glad *someone* is reading my mail spool.
Please let me know if anything interesting comes in and kill
all the spam and viruses. Thanks! |
| 2006/1/25-27 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:41508 Activity:nil |
1/25 FreeBSD users: What's the official way to specify network
priority when configuring wireless networks on a laptop that
travels between multiple networks? Some are open AP, some use
WEP, and some use WPA. FreeBSD Handbook only mentions the
manual ifconfig method.
\_ I think elite people write their own custom scripts.
This is a definite shortcoming with FreeBSD.
\_ I found this documentation after my post, which describes
using wpa_supplicant. It seems to work for me some of the
times, but not others. Very inconsistent. -op
http://www.freebsdmall.com/~loader/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/wireless/article.html
http://tinyurl.com/ckjyy (freebsdmall.com) |
| 2005/12/15 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:41042 Activity:nil |
12/15 What differences between Linux and BSD could explain the difference
in the speed of output from simple text commands that spew several
lines of output. From my Mac, when I run these commands on a linux
box there is a lag. Looks like the lines are printed one at a time.
When I run the same commands on a BSD box, it looks like all the lines
print together, and it is much snappier. When I login from linux to
linux, there is no noticable lag. |
| 2005/12/12-14 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:40972 Activity:nil |
12/12 Kirk McKusick is organizing a FreeBSD code reading class in Berkeley
this spring:
http://www.bsdforums.org/forums/showthread.php?t=37379
\_ Is this anything like a poetry or bible reading?
\_ Pretty much. |
| 2005/12/4-2006/4/7 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:40835 Activity:nil |
FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE (MKVII) #0: Fri Dec 17 17:40:05 UTC 2004 Welcome to Macintosh^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HSoda Mark VII, a dual Xeon 2.8GHz with many hozers. |
| 2005/10/28-31 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:40319 Activity:low |
10/29 It's been over 10 years since I took 162. What is a good place
for a refresher course on the architecture and advantages vs.
disadvantages of using various file systems for BSD, Linux,
MacOS, NT/XP, and others? ok thx.
\_ And the legendary FAT.
\_ And HPFS, NTFS, and the legendary FAT.
\_ i think newer editions of the dinosauar book cover this
\_ It's funny that my 164 book (Sp '92) also has a dinosaur on the
cover.
\_ It's a dragon. Hence the compilers book (ASU) is known as
the dragon book. |
| 2005/10/14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:40094 Activity:nil |
10/14 So what are the stuff jvarga thinks still need work on freebsd
new soda?
\_ new soda doesn't need any investments in equipments and
software upgrades. instead, new soda seriously needs
investments in tech training for a new generation of competent,
helpful, and caring sysadms. if you have a choice, always
invest in the people first. the current politburo is a fine
example of what happens otherwise. |
| 2005/9/28-30 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:39920 Activity:nil |
9/28 In FreeBSD, how can I find out how much RAM my video card has? |
| 2005/9/24-28 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/Languages] UID:39858 Activity:low |
9/24 Hi, I'm finding myself having to convert network order
to host order for uint_16 as follows, is there a cleaner way?
src = buffer[2];
src = src << 8;
src += buffer[1];
\_ man htons
\_ Uhm, I don't think your way is even correct.
1. Do you really mean to use 1-based array indices?
2. You're always storing the most-significant-byte in the
position of the least-significant-byte. (Note that this is
irrelevant to whether your host is big- or little-endian.)
Simply writing src = buffer[0] << 8 | buffer[1] should be
sufficient.
\_ I thought network order was LSB first? So it should be:
src = buffer[1] << 8 | buffer[0]
\_ You thought wrong. Do some homework.
\_ If you are overlaying a buffer onto the short, that is
inherently endian-dependent. Use htons, duh.
\_ He's not overlaying a buffer onto a short. He's reading it
into a buffer first. When he reads it out of the buffer
with shift and bitwise operators, the endianness of the host
is irrelevant. (And I'm not suggesting not to use htos, I'm
just saying that what he wrote originally was wrong.)
\- "is there a cleaner way" ... gee, ya think?
if this is for work, have them buy you all the stevens
books. if they will only buy you one, probably get
STEVENS: Network Programming v1. I have the 2nd ed but
I am sure the edition++ is fine if not better eventhough
STEVENS -> dead. This is "the standard". oktnx. --psb
STEVENS -> dead. Like VAX BSD 4.2/4.3, this is "the
standard". oktnx. --psb |
| 2005/9/17-19 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:39725 Activity:nil |
9/17 OpenBSD 3.8 available for preorder:
http://www.openbsd.org/38.html |
| 2005/9/8-10 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:39574 Activity:nil |
9/8 Anyone ever get evolution (freebsd 5.4) and exchange server to
work with shared folders/calendars ? |
| 2005/6/6-7 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:37983 Activity:kinda low |
6/6 Does anyone use FreeBSD on laptop for daily use? I'm thinking
about replacing my iBook w/ a ToughBook or a ThinkPad b/c I
need to occasionally dual book Windows and I want to get an
idea of how well FreeBSD works on laptops before I do this.
I'm open to Linux but based on my experiences at work, I just
don't think I can get along w/ it for personal use on a daily
basis.
\_ Be very careful about your choice of Thinkpads. I have used
4.10-R beautifully on an X20, but had no end of trouble getting
it running on an X31. There are plenty of FreeBSD-on-Thinkpad
pages, though. For hardware quality, they're great. Drop me
a mail @my other address (in my .plan) if you need some hints. I
found that Debian is actually very nice in terms of usability as
well as wireless support (some Prism stuff under FreeBSD is a bit
b0rked, but it depends on what you intend to do with it.) One of
the main problems I've seen with TPs is that ACPI is just weird,
and Atheros card support can be spotty under FBSD. -John
\_ Is Linux an option? Linux has a plethora of drivers for
wireless available through ndiswrapper. Sleep and hibernate
also work if you tweak the kernel. Is there a compelling
reason to stick with FreeBSD?
\_ FreeBSD-stable-5 has ndiswrapper. - danh
\_ Which is shit if you're trying to do passive sniffing. -John
\_ How so? can't do AP/monitor mode?
\_ Don't believe so. You shouldn't need ndiswrapper
unless there are no native drivers available. This
is often the case with some Atheros cards, although the
madwifi package is getting there. -John
\_ ditto for centrino
\_ But how many piM-qatas does it have?
\_ I'm just more comfortable w/ {Open,Free}BSD, but I guess
I could go back to running Linux. My main problem w/
Linux was that I could never keep track of patches, &c.
and everything needed some sort of "unofficial" patch
in order to run and I just got tired of having to keep
everything patched in order to keep it running.
\_ If you want to be able to do passive sniffing, you can do this on a
Powerbook with an Orinoco (Prism chipset) wireless card and KisMac.
KisMac actually installs its own drivers when you start it up, and
removes them when you quit. It's pretty slick. -dans
\_ Auditor--http://www.remote-exploit.org -John
\_ But does it run natively on OS X? I saw that they offer a
Knoppix LiveCD, which is nice, but I'd just as soon not
reboot. -dans
\_ It's no longer Knoppix based, and it's a whole liveCD
package--imho the single best security/wireless analysis
toolkit I've seen. For a good single passive scanner you
want Wellenreiter (Kismet derivatives are good too.) I
understand that Max is going to release a usb key bootable
Auditor versionsoon. -John
\_ Atheros cards work nicely on my thinkpad in linux. Haven't had
a need to try wireless sniffing, but many docs suggest this works
\_ Some cards are great. Some are ass. Mine (8511?) has enormous
\_ Some cards are great. Some are ass. Mine (5211) has enormous
amounts of trouble. -John |
| 2005/5/9-11 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:37592 Activity:nil |
5/9 FreeBSD 5.4 Released
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.4R/announce.html
\_ uh, who use FreeBSD nowadays?
\_ uh, you?
\_ Me, Soda, GTA, F5, M0n0wall, oodles of hosting providers, loads
of security/network box providers, etc, etc etc. Now go
away. -John
\_ John, did you switch from OpenBSD to FreeBSD? I've been
using OpenBSD for my home firewall for sometime, but
I've been thinking about switching as well b/c pf is
now part of FreeBSD. Is there anything that I should
be aware of in terms of FreeBSD patching/security in
comparison to OpenBSD? tia
\_ I just really like ports and cvsup; I got sick of OpenBSD
trying to be too secure and of plowing through piles of
docs to find what it had turned off today. I have a
WRAP from pcengines.ch running M0n0wall (http://www.m0n0.ch/wall
and it's teh whoopass. -John |
| 2005/5/3-5 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:37508 Activity:nil |
5/3 Windows can pull a file out of its butt to Hibernate
to, why can't FreeBSD/Linux? - danh
\_ They can, but you have to leave the hibernate partition, and
you might need to specify it in the kernel if the default
kernel you're using doesn't have the right APM options. -tom
\_ so why is windows so cool?
\_ part of the problem is reinitializing all of the components
after waking up. It's more true when the device driver had
to be reverse-engineered. There was one line of audio
chipset in a laptop that needed a special driver from the
manufacturer to behave properly after hibernation. Even
the basic Windows (2k) driver couldn't get it to work
after hibernation w/o the proprietary driver. |
| 2005/4/28 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:37395 Activity:nil |
4/28 Company bought me a port switcher such that I can use one
setup to switch between a FreeBSD and Windows machine. Switcher works
perfectly for windows but I am having problems with it under
FreeBSD.Problem seems to be related to the fact that I need to
us a usb-ps2 converter to hook my mouse up to the converter.
FreeBSD seems to have problems identiying the mouse.
I see the same behavior when I just plug it into the ps2 port
directly. Is this a linux kernel issue perhaps?
Wish the company had spent the extra $50 to get a switcher
that was usb instead of ps2. -- lonely linux geek in a windoze realm
\_ Do you mean FreeBSD kernel?
-- Yes. FreeBSD 5.3. |
| 2005/4/24-25 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:37342 Activity:nil |
4/23 Can I determine the number of rows and columns available to an
interactive terminal session from a shell script? If so, how?
Thanks.
\_ On FreeBSD or Linux, run "stty size". On other systems you can
usually find it in "stty -a", but that's more annoying. --mconst
\_ 'stty size' works on OS X and OpenBSD as well |
| 2005/3/30-31 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:36958 Activity:nil |
3/29 Does anyone know how to make multiple computers do PXE network
boot? I'm trying to build low-end diskless clusters but I don't
know where to begin, like which PXE server to use, how to prepare
boot image or partition HD, etc. Thanks.
\_ OS? FreeBSD has pxeboot, Linux has pxelinux, and I believe there
are a bunch of Windows tools. (I'm assuming x86-based.) I have
some old configs for the first two if you want. -John
\_ You might also look at DragonFlyBSD, which forked off from
FreeBSD 4.x and has done a lot of work for this sort of network
boot scenario. http://shiningsilence.com/dbsdlog highlights some of it. |
| 2005/3/26-27 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:36899 Activity:low |
3/26 Hello, I have a 220 gig IDE drive in a firewire enclosure,
using one giant FAT32 partition. My FreeBSD machine
refuses to mount it. What do I do? - danh
\_ Does the bridge board in the controller support lba48?
\_ USE LINUX! (damn it felt good to say that) |
| 2005/3/24-28 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:36865 Activity:nil |
3/24 OpenBSD 3.7 available for pre-order:
http://www.openbsd.org/items.html#37 |
| 2005/3/23-24 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:36822 Activity:nil |
3/23 graphical tool in linux/freebsd that lets me mess
around with my WEP key and ssid id? |
| 2005/3/16 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:36713 Activity:nil |
3/16 I run FreeBSD. I keep my ports tree updated. I know what
tinderbox is. I know how to set my PACKAGESITE.
When I upgrade or install something huge
like gnome or kde or openoffice with portupgrade or pkg_add,
I want FreeBSD to grab the latest package instead of
determining that the latest available port of libgnome is 2.01_1,
but the most recently available package is 2.01 so it
tries to compile the port from source. I would be fine with
the package for 2.01. How do I do this? - danh |
| 2005/3/9-10 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:36594 Activity:nil |
3/9 OpenSSH 4.0 is out:
Announcement: http://tinyurl.com/5aea4
Portable: http://www.openssh.com/portable.html
OpenBSD: http://www.openssh.com/openbsd.html
Nifty new feature is the connection multi-plexing.
\_ What is that?
\_ Once you start one connection to a remote system, other
connections will use the same key pair so you don't have
to pay the cost of a new DH exchange (at least this is
the impression I got from reading the mailing list) |
| 2005/2/24-25 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/HW/Laptop] UID:36394 Activity:low |
2/23 How do I make sound work after a suspend on a Dell laptop
with FreeBSD 5, without rebooting? - danh
\_ What's it doing? Are you running esound or some other multiplexer?
\_ just an idea, but sometimes muting and unmuting fixes some cards.
\_ I figured it out, I unloaded then loaded some kernel modules
and sound works. - danh |
| 2005/2/20-21 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:36339 Activity:moderate |
2/20 I have several gigs of files that I need to transfer from a bsd
machine to an os x machine. What's an efficient way of doing this?
(It's way too many files to gmail to myself.)
\_ Umm, have you heard of ftp, http, scp, rsync, etc.? Email is one
of the least efficient means imaginable for this kind of thing.
\_ rsync, followed by tar | ssh, followed by create a tar/gz file and
use any of the other methods.
\_ Thanks, but I ended up just using ftp (dont' know why I
didn't thinking of it myself). -op |
| 2005/1/14-17 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:35725 Activity:moderate |
1/14 I want to run imap and pop on a FreeBSD computer. Can somebody
recommed which imap suite to use. For less than 100users in a
NIS domain.
\_ Courier is pretty nice. I've been running it on a debian
server for over a year for pop and imap over ssl.
\_ cyrus imapd
\_ I am using Dovecot for imaps and Postfix+TLS for outgoing
mail. It's pretty solid, works happily with sasl2, and also
lets me run regular imap for my SSL openwebmail server. I would
be glad to share my configs if you want. -John
\_ I've run both Courier and Cyrus. I ran into problems with Courier
scaling when there were either a) many users or b) a handful of
users with large mailboxes (i.e. > 1000 messages). Cyrus indexes
its mailboxes so it handles large mailboxes much more gracefully.
Cyrus is a pain in the ass to install, which is annoying because
you really want to be running Cyrus 2.2.x and 1.5.x is the only
version packaged for Debian. Both Courier and Cyrus work with
sasl2. If you decide to run Cyrus, let me know and I can send you
configs and my messy install notes.
-dans
\_ There has been a change of plans. I managed to port some
code to my Solaris box and can milk a little more life out
of it. Thanks for the feedback. We now return to our aaron
and tom lovefest. -op |
| 2004/12/15 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:35307 Activity:low 50%like:34252 |
12/15 What the heck, the motd is so boring today, where are all the trolls?
\_ Bush sucks dude. Move to canada. We are losing the war on
terror because of scumbags like you. FreeBSD is the real OS
of manly men. Ilyas needs to be squashed. Tom needs to fuck
Ilyas.
\_ Real Mem Use Linux. --- baited |
| 2004/12/13-14 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:35257 Activity:nil |
12/23 To the guy who got FreeBSD or Linux kernel 2.6.6 running on an X40,
I'd love to see your config if you'll share. -John
\_ mee too. and John, do you have X31? I am thinking about
buying X31 instead of X40. kngharv
\_ Yes. I am told the X40 is not made as well. X31 is very good
quality and a fine laptop; both FreeBSD 5.3-R and Linux 2.6.6
have some hardware issues, but I think this is model-dependent
and should be resolved in the next few releases of either OS.
Mail me for details. -John |
| 2004/12/12-13 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:35252 Activity:nil |
12/12 So NetBSD 2.0 is out- have any FreeBSD types tried switching to it
recently? What sort of gotchas might I run into if I were to
install it on a personal server? Does it still support stuff like
jails? Is the installer comparable to / better than FreeBSD's? |
| 2004/12/7-8 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:35204 Activity:moderate |
12/7 Anyone have experience with FreeBSD on UltraSparc? I have a few
of them at work unused and unmaintained gathering dust. I am
thinking of putting FreeBSD on it to run bugzilla. Does the
Sparc version's /usr/ports as good as the x86 ones?
\_ If it's anything like OpenBSD on Sparc, make sure it's nice and
cool. Mine hung itself up a lot. -John
\_ Other than the geekiness factor, what's the point of running
FreeBSD on USparc? Do you need to hack the kernel somehow?
\_ FreeBSD is a nice OS, and Suns are nice boxes. -John
\_ I guess the point here is that the OP can save himself
trouble by running Solaris on them. Bugzilla runs fine
on Solaris. Why is he bothering with FreeBSD?
\_ No /usr/ports on Solaris, no pf on solaris.
Ultrasparc boxes are nice and can be easily
jumpstarted w/o all the hassle of pxe.
\_ the reason is the IT here knows nothing about Solaris.
The design team has moved onto Linux. The IT won't
admit they don't know how to admin a Solaris box. And
it is probably cheaper to buy a new PC running Linux than
paying for Sun support. So a few Blade 1000 are sitting
here not even powered-on. IT doesn't care and refuse
to care. I have experience and know where to download
FreeBSD. I have zero knowledge on Solaris. -op |
| 2004/12/6-7 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:35191 Activity:nil |
12/6 Keeping freebsd up-to-date:
http://www.taosecurity.com/keeping_freebsd_up-to-date.html |
| 2004/11/17-20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:34944 Activity:low 66%like:36413 |
11/17 /csua/tmp/theplay_long.ram
\_ What's the best way to play .ram files on FreeBSD?
\_ wine?
\_ What's that?
\_ The Play.
\_ I'd rather see the Anti-Play from '90. |
| 2004/11/10-11 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:34799 Activity:nil |
11/10 I'm evaluating a bunch of FreeBSD 4.x-based firewalls booting from CF
cards on a pcengines.ch WRAP board (basically a better Soekris with
Natl. Geode CPU). One works fine, but the other will not load the
kernel properly on any but a small number of CF models. The CF cards
are fine, regular FreeBSD can disklabel & mount them, but the vendor
of the other software (GTA GBWare) says there are "timing issues" with
all but very few cards. Just out of pure curiosity, has anyone
encountered this sort of thing before? -John |
| 2004/11/8-9 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:34767 Activity:nil |
11/8 FreeBSD 5.3 is out:
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.3R/announce.html |
| 2004/11/4-6 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/Languages/Web] UID:34655 Activity:nil |
11/04 (Sorry, but this fell victim to troll scroll, so again:)
Does anyone know of or can someone recommend a company (not a one-man
consulting show) that will support an open source firewall product
for a large corporation? BSD-based, a bunch of PHP, etc. I'm looking
for someone to do features development, 3d level support, and general
management "peace of mind"...
\_ http://mnl.com For more info, feel free to mail me:
david+d+1100247667.250b72@bushong.net --dbushong |
| 2004/10/26-27 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:34363 Activity:nil |
10/26 I need a few standard icons for a small web app I'm doing (up/down
arrows, +/-, that sort of thing). Is there some sort of BSD-licensed
collection of these online?
\_ I'd just find some BSD app with ones you like and rip-off theirs.
When I needed something along these lines I just spent an hour or
so in an image editing program using simple geometry tools.
Also, have you considered just using the icons from Apache (which
has a BSD-style license)? |
| 2004/10/10-11/4 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:34012 Activity:nil |
10/10 Please help us test out NFS. Take a look at the README file in
/linux-nfs and /freebsd-nfs. Use one, use both, have fun, break
stuff. |
| 2004/10/4 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:33906 Activity:low |
10/4 I'm looking around for various *nix-based small firewall packages,
ideally with a web admin gui. I'd like to have something that "just
runs" (as opposed to a fully installed OpenBSD/pf box.) I'm looking at
both open source and commercial (as long as it's reasonably low cost.)
M0n0wall and ipcop both look kind of cool, LEAF sems a bit
"unfinished". Does anyone have any other recommendations? -John
\_ http://www.gta.com/products/gb200Tech
http://www.gta.com/products/gbwareTech
http://tinyurl.com/27sby (cisco pix 501)
\_ The consortium thanks you. -John |
| 2004/10/1 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:33870 Activity:moderate |
9/30 how do i make my 3com wireless card work with freebsd?
\_ First, find out what the chipset is (google is your friend.)
Then, some cards are only supported under 5.x (32 bit cards.)
Find out what driver supports that chipset, compile it into
your kernel, and voila. -John |
| 2004/8/28-29 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:33198 Activity:nil |
8/28 Has anybody ever used /etc/libmap.conf (FreeBSD) to map .so deps
to a newer/older revision number? It looks like it avoids that
nasty business of adding 30 new symlinks everytime you pkg_add
firefox.
http://www.freebsdchina.org/utils/phpMan.php/man/libmap.conf/5 |
| 2004/8/26-27 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:33167 Activity:low |
8/26 OpenBSD 3.6 now available for pre-order. The release date
is Nov. 1. 3.6 has lots of new features including SMP
support (yay!).
\_ Yeah, whatever. After years of no SMP and then they switched
binary formats with no upgrade path and before that stopped
letting people download ISOs, I simply gave up. Freebsd + pf
port is all I need, thanks. |
| 2004/8/24 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:33099 Activity:high |
8/24 I asked a few weeks ago about good data backup solutions, and I finally
settled on a large NTFS partition with a 15GB FAT32 "transfer"
partition (so that I can write to the disk via FreeBSD/OS X). But I
still need a good USB drive enclosure; the one I was using grew
painfullyy hot during normal operation. Quiet, cool, and low-power are
my biggest concerns; any recommendations? tia.
\_ http://csua.org/u/702 Runs cool for me, no fan.
\_ On its way, thanks. -op |
| 2004/8/14-16 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:32901 Activity:moderate |
8/14 Any good experiences with automated MP3 tagger/renamer/organizer?
I've got some stuff that has good file names, some with good ID3s info,
and some with neither, so musicbrainz support might be nice.
FreeBSD, Win2k, or OS X, hopefully less than $40?
\_ Tag & Rename is great, though it's freeware only for 30 days
\_ mp3tag is okay and free. http://www.mp3tag.de/en
\_ mp3tag is okay and free. http://www.mp3tag.de/en
\_ easytag seems okay, and it's free too
\_ I liked ID3-Tagit |
| 2004/7/27 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:32505 Activity:nil |
7/26 is there a way to list the file in your user space that has the largest
size? (Thank you all for the help except that idiot posted the rm
command)
\_ rm -Rf ~/
\_ does anyone ever use R instead of r?
\_ ls | sort | head
\_ ls -lR | sort +4rn But this won't tell you which directory
the files are in.
\_ du -k $HOME | sort -nr -k1,1 | head
This should give you the files sizes of the largest files and
directories in your home directory. If you want just files:
{ find $HOME -depth -type f -print0 | \
xargs -0 ls -l | sort -rn -k5,5 ; } 2> /dev/null | head
BTW, -print0 and xargs -0 only work on *BSD, OS X and Linux. |
| 2004/7/13 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:32244 Activity:high |
7/12 I just upgraded to Firefox .9 on FreeBSD 4 using a binary package,
but it's got a ton of library dependencies on slightly older .so
files. Is there any way I can tell the linker to just "try your
best" and update the links to whatever's available? The only
thing that's ever worked in this case is installing from ports or
while (sane) ln -s libFoo-1.8.so.200 libFoo-1.8.so.201
\_ Dunno about "best try", but you could always do a make world
and portupgrade -a (assuming you installed that from ports.) -John |
| 2004/7/5-6 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:31168 Activity:nil |
05/07 A while ago I was having a lot of trouble getting Postfix to use
SASL2 auth for sending mail on FreeBSD. This link (including the
errata at the bottom!) shows how to do it painlessly:
http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200306/postfix-sasl.html -John |
| 2004/6/25-26 [Computer/HW/CPU, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:31016 Activity:nil |
6/25 OpenBSD SMP support now available on Opteron:
http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20040625160304 |
| 2004/6/23-24 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:30977 Activity:very high |
6/23 pf now in netbsd current:
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.netbsd.devel.cvs/48868
\_ It was a bit ugly to get working in fbsd. How hard was it to
get installed and running on netbsd?
\_ How ugly? Compiled right out of ports on my 5.2 box. Works
a charm. -John
\_ You need to build a custom kernel.
\_ You do? Seemed to work in 5.2.1 by just typing make
install in /usr/ports.
\_ Why do you hate hackers?
\_ Didn't on mine. The GENERIC kernel options weren't
quite right.
\_ Wow you are really cool. Will you impregnate my sister. |
| 2004/6/17 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:30854 Activity:high |
6/17 [continued LGPL thread]
\_ Option 2 doesn't work, because you can't make an LGPL wrapper to
a GPL'd library. The wrapper itself must be licensed under the
GPL too.
\_ This is not correct. You can create lgpl wrappers for
gpl libraries. If you read the lgpl it allows you to
dual license your code (gpl does not) so you can have
the wrapper avail under gpl and lgpl which solves this
problem.
\_ The GPL does not prevent you from dual-licensing your
*own* code. Dual-licensing doesn't apply here anyway.
Your wrapper--by linking to the GPL'd library--is a
derivative work. As a derivative work, the authors of
the GPL'd library have partial ownership of it. You
can't dual-license your wrapper without their
permission. Hence, your wrapper must be *solely* GPL'd
if distributed, and now you're back at square one.
\_ Okay, I think I understand now. Please see below
(... wasted a bunch of time ...)
\_ Like I said on the original thread. The whole GPL thing is a big
fucking mess. No one truly knows what is and is not a violation and
can't and won't until a court settles it. In the meantime do what
you think is the right thing and don't sweat it. IMO, distributing
the gpl code & license with your project is perfectly ok.
\_ Okay, I wasted a bunch of time reading about this. There seem to
be two conflicting pov. The FSF pov is that if you use a gpl lib
that doesn't contain the following exception:
http://tinyurl.com/34y7o (gnu.org)
then the resulting program must be gpl'ed.
There is another pov which is that if your program dynamically
links with the library then you can release your program under
bsd w/o problems. The closest analogy I could find was that
dynamic linking is like references in a book: w/o the source of
the ref. you cannot understand the reference but the person
making the ref. is not creating a "derivative work" simply by
saying look in book a on pg x for a complete discussion.
I have come to the conclusion that the GPL is stupid and that
the only reasonable open src stuff is licensed under BSD or
X/MIT. |
| 2004/6/16 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:30826 Activity:very high |
6/16 I just got a new dual proc xeon server that will be replacing an
old E250 running Solaris. Gentoo is looking pretty good to me, but
I don't have too much experience w/ Linux/BSD. Instead of igniting
a flamewar, does anyone have a good URL that might line up the various
x86 *nixes so that I might figure out which is best for me? I've used
Debian in the past, but that was a while back.
\_ What are you going to use it for? It may not matter which one. It
is likely that whatever you or the eventually sysadmin or end users
are most comfortable with is the 'best' OS for your purposes.
\_ In the same vein, are there any specific disadvantages to ReiserFS
over ext3? |
| 2004/6/16 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:30825 Activity:high |
6/16 License question: There is a library Foo, which is licensed under
the GPL. I write a library Bar, which links to Foo. Can I license Bar
under the BSD license? I know that unless Foo is under the LGPL I
can't link it so code under a more restrictive license, but BSD is less
restrictive, so can it be linked to code under the regular GPL?
\_ No. A BSD license allows one to redistribute software without the
accompanying source code, which would render the GPL irrelevant.
\_ But what if I distribute both libraries with source and their
respective licenses? I want to permit people to take Bar and
do whatever they want with it. Obviously if they want to use it
with Foo they'd have to respect the GPL.
\_ You could probably do that (make it abundantly clear that
there are two licenses covering the respective code, or
otherwise just distribute Bar and tell people to d/l Foo from
http:// But unless Bar can function without Foo (say by
swapping in a commercially-licensed library that implements
the same interface) your library will essentially be GPL,
and any attempts to get around that might be seen as
misleading. Note that FreeBSD (and others?) has included
GPL code from time to time in their distro (tar, gmake)
but that's being slowly phased out because some believe it
confuses the issue. Btw, what code is this? You might be
able to contact the maintainers of Foo and ask them to grant
a special license to your project if you've got a good reason.
\_ Bar *can* function standalone. The code is roughly like:
Foo: File reader and data processing for Format1
Bar: File reader and data processing for Format2
Data visualization for Format1 or Format2.
\_ There are two points of view on this. It depends on whether or
not the interface to a function can be considered as gpl'ed.
1. Interfaces are not covered by gpl pov:
Provided that a pgm can link w/ foo and bar dynamically,
bar can be released under bsd even if foo is gpl.
2. Interfaces are covered by gpl pov:
Since foo is gpl, bar must be released gpl. There is a
way around this. Write a lgpl wrapper (blatz) to the gpl
lib (you don't need to wrap every function in foo, just
the ones you need). Make bar use blatz. Now bar can be
released under bsd, since it doesn't depend on gpl'ed
interfaces.
If this is commerical code, I'd play it safe and go with
option 2 since gpl idiots are a pita and you don't want
to deal with them.
\_ Option 2 doesn't work, because you can't make an LGPL wrapper to
a GPL'd library. The wrapper itself must be licensed under the
GPL too.
\_ This is not correct. You can create lgpl wrappers for
gpl libraries. If you read the lgpl it allows you to
dual license your code (gpl does not) so you can have
the wrapper avail under gpl and lgpl which solves this
problem.
\_ The problem with all these hokey license schemes is that these sorts
of issues keep coming up and you'll get multiple answers depending
on who you talk to. People are GPLing code without understanding
what that means. Why don't they? Are they stupid or ignorant? No,
it is because the GPL is a mess that only became more confused when
they introduced the LGPL. Eventually some court will sort the whole
thing out for good or bad. Until then, do whatever your concious
dictates and don't worry about it. IMO, you should be able to
release both and provide the license terms for each or maybe have
some hokey yes/no prompt for accepting the GPL terms or whatever if
you feel guilty about the other library. You're treading on
religious turf so no matter what you do someone is going to say
you're wrong, evil, or both. |
| 2004/6/2 [Computer/HW/CPU, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:30545 Activity:nil |
6/2 I'm curious about ideas for computer naming schemes. Please suggest
a few.
Roman/Greek Gods
Alcoholic Drinks
Famous Scholars
Actors/Actresses
Body Parts
Porn Stars
\_ Only if you have loads of cash for harassment lawsuits.
\_ Maybe it's his home computers.
\- ucb cs or eecs had a number of p0rn star named workstations.
i dont recall which research group. --psb
Starship names from Star Trek
Famous disasters
TV Shows
Just name them after the type of machine. Best way to do it since
then you don't have stupid shit like "oh, is Styx supposed to be the
Athlon XP box running BSD or the Sun Blade 1500"? If you have a large
room of similar type of machines name them in an approximate grid-like
fashion, i.e. "box-1-7".
\_ hear hear!!! -tired sysadm
\_ My ex-company used chemical elements. They even tried to match
element names or symbols with the engineers' names. However, when
the elemens ran out, they had to use particle names. --- yuen
\_ soda users
\_ It is silly to call them "sun1-sun[x]". Some hardware is around
so long that it changes forms many times. Soda itself is one
example. Also, using a numeric scheme inevitably some of the
numbers go away and you get weird shit like a room that has
sun1, sun5, sun6, and sun20 in it. What if soda had been called
"sequent1"?
\_ Use the respective root passwords. |
| 2004/5/28-29 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:30467 Activity:high |
5/27 In what ways are FreeBSD superior to a good Linux distro?
\_ Why do you hate Windows?
\_ Why do you hate Linus?
\_ *BSD has a better IP stack.
\_ In what way?
\_ Aren't they the same now?
\_ Yeah, because Linux copied Unix! --SCO
\_ They are? When did Linux change it?
\_ there's an actual CVS tree for the kernel?
\_ setting up software raid in freebsd still sucks
ass.
\_ software raid sucks everywhere. Real men use hardware.
After the third time your linux kernel drops a drive on a
whim, you'll learn.
\_ there are nice tools for setting up software raid in
linux. freebsd uses this thing called "vi"
actually when your machine fails, there's this thing
called "ed"
\_ Solaris LVM and Irix's lvm are way better.
\_ we're not comparing against Solaris and Irix. Why does
this keep getting deleted?
\_ Does anyone use Veritas Volume Manager for Linux?
I bet it works fine, since all the other Veritas products
I have used rocked. But it is not free.
\_ To be fair, you can't compare vinum (freebsd sw raid) to
linux sw raid; the featuresets aren't the same. Vinum is
more equivalent to EVMS (http://evms.sourceforge.net
\_ *BSD has a highly organized and structured "way" of doing things.
On every BSD box you always know where to look for config files,
how to install/remove new software. Things don't radically change
or require reading through obscure and often outdated HOW-TO pseudo
documents. Linux is good if you're not the admin or you *need*
the cutting edge. If you just want your machines to work and never
want to touch them again, get *BSD. --linux admin by day
\_ it seems like you're answering the wrong question. The question
wasn't about *BSD vs * Linux. It was FreeBSD vs a [one] good
Linux distro. And, BTW I use RH/Fedora/RHEL and I consider them
fairly well structured too. I know where the config files or
say init scripts are support to be. And I prefer their packages
(when they exist) to the FreeBSD ports.
\_ Really? You prefer RH? To *anything*? RH is the garbage of
the *nix world. I'd take just about any other *nix, free or
commercial over RH for almost anything. Is that just because
you know RH best so you're just used to the pain like Windows
admins and users?
\_ I don't prefer RH for absolutely everything but it works
more than well enough for my type of environment (computer
labs, computing clusters, servers that support all that,
etc) and I definitely prefer it for this type of job than
say FreeBSD or Solaris. I have used Debian and I have
my reasons for not choosing either Debian or FreeBSD.
Besides, from my personal observations, the FreeBSD
afficionados who tend to dismiss RedHat as a piece of
crap usually don't know how to run a RedHat system
or say even use rpm properly and just keep repeating
the anti-Linux FUD they see on *BSD mailing lists or
newsgroups.
\_ The organization goes beyond that, too. The ports tree/packages
are awesome. Maintaining a BSD box is infinitely easier than,
say, redhat.
\_ Ports suck. I like the idea in principle, but the
implementation of ports is by far the worst feature of
FreeBSD, in my opinion. -- ilyas
\_ I disagree. try upgrading openssl on FreeBSD. you know,
getting /usr/lib/libssl.* upgraded, not just plopping down
new files in /usr/local/*. Much easier on RedHate (as much
as I bitch and moan about it). Just grab an RPM or even
an SRPM if you want to tweak things, and it goes in. --Jon
\_ cd /usr/src/contrib/openssl
less INSTALL
\_ This is why the port is there. So you don't have to
buildworld on every openssl bug report.
Not to mention when you get the new rpm (if there is
one), it always seems to break some other package because
some internal in openssl was changed.
\_ redhat isn't great of a linux example, IMO. pick a
distribution that isn't broken (gentoo, debian)
\_ Every BSD box? Really? You think NetBSD, FreeBSD, OpenBSD all
have the same way to install new software and place config
files?
\ Compared to say redhat versus gentoo versus suse? you bet.
\_ presumably, you're not running redhat, gentoo, and suse.
You should be comparing a distribution to a BSD branch.
\_ On a linux box, applications dump all over the filesystem.
Changing network settings by creating files in /proc/* is
fucking idiotic, for example. Documentation for linux is
\_ man sysctl
\_ that's not what the docs say to do.
\_ I believe that was already covered by the next
statement about "out of date".
out of date, if it exists at all. I haven't used netbsd in a
\_ point taken
while but for open and free: (cd /usr/ports/foo/appname ; make
install) is pretty straight forward. No rpm hell. No
\_ rpms suck ass... rpms != linux
\_ emerge, apt-get
\_ What does apt have that assures you you're not
installing trojaned code?
\_ apt works with rpm
\_ signatures in rpms, debsigs
wondering if the binaries I'm downloading were corrupted. BSD
just works. You have some counter examples?
\_ how do you know that the source you're compling from
ports wasn't corrupted?
\_ The ports directory has MD5 checksums of the source
tarballs. Unless your ports tree is corrupt, you'll
be warned if you download a corrupt source tarball.
\_ well OK then, how do you know that your MD5 checksums
of the source tarballs are accurate?
\_ You got them when you installed your OS. If they
are fucked, bad ports are the least of your
worries.
\_ You have to re-get them when the ports MD5s
change, right? |
| 2004/5/18-19 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/HW/Drives] UID:30272 Activity:high |
5/18 I have an ATA raid (5), but linux insists on trying to detect each
of the 4 drives individually upon startup, which takes a while since
it isn't really successful. How do i stop it from doing that? Is
that what the -nodma startup option is for? thanks.
\_ obGetRealOS.... ok... which distribution?
\_ happens on both RedHat and Suse. Am running SuSE 9.1
\_ Is this during kernel bootup or during rc.d/* execution?
\_ Are you doing hardware or software raid? If hardware, which
hardware?
\_ By the way, has anyone successfully used vinum with +1TB
filesystems on FreeBSD 5.2.1? I have trouble newfsing
big filesystems.
\_ i had trouble with freebsd 5 correctly recognizing the disk
geometry of all the disks, so i switched to freebsd 4 and
it works. i am unable to get it to successfully boot
off of a vinum / partition. - danh
\_ I was jumping for joy when I finally got pf installed *and*
setup as the first program just after the NICs are initialized
but before the gateway is set. Now you want >1TB partitions
too? :-) I'll share the pf 'secrets' if you need that.
\_ Um. is this really all that hard?
\_ Yes. Have you done it? Were you already FreeBSD Guru
#1 before doing so? This isn't enough:
(cd /usr/ports/security/pf && make install)
You need to build a new kernel with the right options,
change rc.conf, and rewrite the pf.sh.sample they
provide. About 2/3rds of the changes are documented.
\_ Please do share. I'm a linux guy who's currently playing
around with setting up a freebsd machine. |
| 2004/5/17-18 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:30263 Activity:very high |
5/17 How many of you actually use BSD or Linux on your personal notebook or
desktop computer? If so, what flavor? oh and plz say what "desktop
environment" you use. actually it would be interesting for everyone
to just reply and say what they use. i'm on WinXP.
\_ FreeBSD-RELEASE on my laptop (Thinkpad X31) although to be fair
I am ditching it for Debian, as it has serious problems with ACPI,
and various IBM PCI bits and bobs. XP for desktop at home, and
FreeBSD-RELEASE for server and firewall. On the laptop, I
actually use KDM/Enlightenment (only wm with a deskspace manager
I've seen that actually shows miniature versions of the windows
you have on that desktop.) -John
\_ FreeBSD-STABLE
\_ does OS X count?
\_ sure. is that what you use or were you idly curious?
\_ in that case, 10.3.3 (Panther): ........
\_ OS X rocks!
\_ FreeBSD-4.9, twm
\_ debian testing, icewm
\_ debian/stable(woody), enlightenment: .
\_ debian/oldstable(potato), enlightenment: .
\_ FreeBSD-5.0, ctwm
\_ Used to, (FreeBSD, WindowMaker) but then the power board died.
\_ FreeBSD-4.9, kde
\_ Win2k for desktop. Any *nix for serving. W2k makes a great DT
environment. *nix DT sucks rocks. W* server environment sucks
very big rocks. *nix makes great server environment. --unix admin
\_ I use OS X, WinXP, Win2k, Win2k, Win98, all on different laptops.
But i'm going to load Solaris x86 and Sun's Java Desktop System
Linux, which I hear is suse, on another two old laptops, just
to try them out.
\_ why would you need that many different laptops for your normal
use? Which one do you use the most? Or do you just sort of rotate
them daily?
\_ he doesn't. he unemployed and bored. he only needs one
dumb terminal at the library to do a job search.
\_ JDS is a basically SuSE 8.1 w/ some extra Sun stuff like SO,
Evolution, Mozilla (rebadged with Sun Logos), a recent JRE,
some sun mgmt support and non-yast update tool. Its not really
all that interesting (esp. if are using a laptop, JDS is pretty
bad on laptops). - sun guy
\_ hey, me too. which department?
\_ OPG. I used to work for Cobalt.
\_ Fedora Core 1, gnome (will load FC2 soon)
\_ Win2k and (FreeBSD + ratpoison). Ratpoison makes me happy. -- ilyas
\_ WinXP and Debian (via VMWare) --darin |
| 2004/5/9-10 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:30119 Activity:moderate |
5/9 Sometimes I need to upload large files on my 1500k/192k aDSL. This
totally kills my Internet usability. Is there any uber cool BSD/Darwin
tool that will let me throttle a particular socket? If I could just
limit my FTP to something like 128k... tnx
\_ rsync --bwlimit=KBPS ...
\_ man ipfw
\_ cstream: http://www.cons.org/cracauer/cstream.html |
| 2004/5/7 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:30075 Activity:moderate |
5/6 I'm running an old openbsd 3.2 system. I see that 3.5 now uses
ELF instead of a.out and they say source upgrade is not an option and
binary is possible but "very difficult". I'm lazy but need to upgrade
for various reasons. I use openbsd because I love 'pf'. I hate the
linux firewall tools. I haven't tried the other bsd's in a long time.
This is a headless server system so I don't care at all about the GUIs,
hardware support, or other apps. It's a firewall, mail, apache, dns,
and ssh server. Before I bite the bullet and rebuild an openbsd 3.5
system (which I'm *very* familiar and comfortable with) is there any
reason to switch to any other *nix out there? What am I missing
sitting in my little isolated openbsd world? Thanks!
\_ FreeBSD has pf. join us!
\_ The pf port is pretty good, but it is missing newer features
like pfsync and carp.
\_ Which version of FreeBsd would you suggest? Does pf exist in the
4.x series? Should I wait for 5.3 or is 5.21 working ok enough
for a home server? Thanks again. --op
\_ 5.2.1 seems to be pretty stable. I'm running it on a
box at work that provides nfs, nis, smb, apache, mail
and ntp with pf acting as a host firewall.
\_ Not much, if all you are using the box for is a router then stick
with what you know.
\_ I'm in a similar position. I have a OpenBSD 3.3 box that acts
as a router/firewall. I'm planning to reinstall w/ OpenBSD 3.5
because it has lots of security updates (privilege sep. named,
OpenSSH 3.8.1, pro-police, &c.). |
| 2004/5/4 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:29988 Activity:kinda low |
5/4 FreeBSD5 question. I see 4 ISOs in the FreeBSD5 distribution tree.
What is the difference between "bootonly" "miniinst" and "disk1".
The all appear to be bootable and take me into the install program?
\_ Take a look at: http://tinyurl.com/3cnpm
If you want to install from cd w/o d/l'ing anything at install
time, just d/l and burn disk1. |
| 2004/5/4 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:29987 Activity:high |
5/4 Can someone with a FreeBSD 5.2.1 system try out a couple of ports I've
put together? (I haven't played with the ports before, so I'd like to
know if these work properly for other people). tia.
nmh 1.1RC3: link:tinyurl.com/34xgu (untar in /usr/ports/mail)
connect 1.76: link:tinyurl.com/3xc5y (untar in /usr/ports/net)
\_ Yes, I could but I'm not going to install stuff from an anonymous
person on my machine. It's one thing to post anon, it's quite
another to run your code on my machine.
\_ Mail me if you are concerned that there is something in the
port files that might damage your system. --ranga |
| 2004/5/1 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:18851 Activity:nil |
5/1 OpenBSD 3.5 released: http://www.openbsd.org/35.html |
| 2004/4/29 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:13447 Activity:insanely high |
4/28 Is it safe to rlogin/ssh to a FreeBSD computer and do a "make
installworld" to upgrade? Or must this be done in single user
mode with the computer off the net? I have a rackmount machine
to upgrade. I am trying to avoid putting console on it.
\_ It's doable, but you should:
1. double check that mergemaster will bring up sshd
2. make sure your enet driver works and is installed correctly
3. be on location for the reboot, just in case.
\_ Do you have another machine with a free serial port? If so,
I would enable serial console on the machine you want to
upgrade, and then connect to it on serial console using
minicom (or whatever) from the other machine. This way you
can bring the system down to single user, do the upgrade and
debug the result without a console. |
| 2004/4/25-26 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:13371 Activity:nil |
4/24 In terms of stability for FreeBSD, RELEASE > STABLE > CURRENT, right?
\_ I'd say STABLE > RELEASE. Stable includes all fixes for known
exploits, etc. And other than a few issues with upgrading between
major revisions, I've never had trouble with -STABLE. --scotsman
\_ Seconded, but don't follow stable too closely; give it a little
time to make sure the fixes don't cause new problems. |
| 2004/4/17-18 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:13247 Activity:nil |
4/16 I use a 250GB WD disk with a single ext3 filesystem for making
backups, and it had a directory that containted all my system
snapshot backup directories. Yesterday, I discovered that the
directory has somehow turned into a text file containing the
content of /etc/login.defs. Is there a way to fix this without
removing all the hanging inodes, and thus removing all the backups?
I've heard people complain about ext filesystems. What reliable
filesystems do you recommend for use on a linux non-root filesystem
used for making backups?
\_ Sigh... ext2: suck0rz. ext3 = ext2 + pseudo journal = suck0rz with
pseudo journaling. I haven't used reiserfs enough to comment. I
have used xfs extensively on 2.2 and 2.4 boxes and in those
environments, xfs = suck0rz. I haven't ever used jfs or any of the
less common linux file systems. I've read the xfs on 2.6 has been
greatly improved but that's what they said for xfs on 2.4 right
before I lost 2 terabytes on 2.4 xfs. Using some psychotic reverse
logic, I'd recommend JFS or Reiserfs only because I haven't used
them yet and thus haven't had data loss on those FSs. ;-)
As far as your repairs go, try this:
1) dd the drive to another drive so you have a copy and then
do the following on that copy so you don't fuck up the only
copy you've got,
2) try a simple forced fsck on the copy and see what happens.
a second forced fsck and a reboot is worth the extra 30
seconds of effort if the first doesn't work just because,
3) if that doesn't work, there are a number of file recovery
utilities out there that *may* be able to recover some of
your back up files,
3b) if this is company data, there are professional data
recovery firms that *will* recover most, if not all, of
your lost data in this situation but they will charge you
anywhere between $20,000 and $80,000 and will not guarantee
success to any degree before they start.
4) good luck, I've been there, corrupt FSs suck. It sounds
like you don't have a second backup or anything on tape.
--motd storage guru
\_ Thanks. I don't have a second backup, but that seems like
a good idea. What's the best way to get 250GB on tape?
perhaps I'll get another 250 GB disk and firewire
enclosure.
\_ Your "VaporWare has no bugs" logic makes me suspicious of your
"storage guru" status, but what specific problems are you aware
of with ext3? -Not a Linux Fan, but using it.
\_ It should have been clear to anyone with basic English
reading comprehension skills exactly what I meant and why I
said that. However, for you I shall explain: since all of
the linux FSs I've used extensively have severe problems,
the only alternative when seeking a viable FS is to try
something unknown. It may have bugs. It may not. It should
have been clear from my own description of my own logic in
that regard that I wasn't vouching for FSs unknown to me in
extensive daily usage. As far as ext3 is concerned, it has
the same corruption problems as ext2 since it is little more
than ext2 with pseudo journaling kludge on. Once you get
over your core comprehension problem we can discuss my
qualifications vs. those of others on the motd for storage
guru status. I know of at least one person here who works
for Veritas. Other than that I'm unaware of and never seen
any exceptional knowledge from other motd posters. If you
prefer I can simply stop answering storage questions since
my flawed logic has so clearly tainted my advise in your
eyes. I don't care either way. -- msg
\_ What is wrong with ext3 other than "I have experienced
crashes"? Is it a performance problem with small files,
large files, filesystem corruption, metadata operation
problems, a problem with crash recovery due to async
operation, journaling strategy or implementation etc.
If you really were a file system guru, you would have
given feedback in these terms.
\_ Nonsense. I'm not a paid consultant for the motd.
Back to reading comprehension and context. Since the
op was concerned with FS corruption, what do *YOU*
think I was talking about? --msg
\_ What filesystem do you recommend?
\_ It depends on the purprose obviously.
I wouldn't recommend GPFS for a desk top
but for a high performance set up, GPFS
has an interesting design. Are you setting
up a mail spool? db? newsspool? Home p0rn
and warez store?
\_ One for snapshot-backups, another for
all-purpose sever, mail, web etc.
\- for my decent sized data operations,
say ~1tb, i use freebsd. minor vinum
problems but in general very solid,
even in the face of yank-the-cord-out
type crashes. for my "large data" either
we dont really care too much about
performance or reliability [batch processing
on scratch data] or we use sort of exotic
stuff that probably doesnt apply in your case.
andrew hume is a "large data" consumer who
doesnt like linux and is someone i'd trust
on blind faith, although that was a while ago.
i dont know if he has changed his mind with
linux 2.6. i'm not totally clear what his
problems where. i've seen linux corrupt data
for unknown reasons, bad memory, bad ethernet
driver in addition to crashes. the only major
problem i had on freebsd had to do with the
whole box crashing ... which may have had
something to do with a raid card [it looked
like a hw prob, but it wouldnt manifest when
the same hardware was running linux, knoppix]
etc. and dont get me started on about linux
block/char dev, caching, dumping issues.--psb
\_ you consider 1tb to be decent sized? uhm,
yeah, whatever. that's peanuts.
\_ Hear hear, ext2/3 is absolutely horrible in case of
catastrophic failure. It is exceedingly crash sensitive,
surprisingly even more so than UFS, which at least
attempts to appear crash resilient with it's fsck
hell. I just recently lost my umpteenth ext2/3 partition
last week on a new machine when an IRQ conflict
kept hanging the machine. -williamc
\_ Random question -- is it easy to get fbsd fs (any) to work
with linux?
\- why dont you install fbsd and run with linux application
compat options.
\_ Because fbsd is just a lot more difficult to use than
linux. For instance, linux compat isn't, as you
well know.
\_ freebsd harder than linux? holy shit, son! where
did you get *that* idea from? the free, online
freebsd handbook is clearly organised and has
updated to answers to all your major setup, config
and performance questions. linux is a mishmash of
google searching and prayer. -- old **nix admin
\_ Uh ... huh. Like why ports doesn't work?
\_ What is your opinion/experience with reiserfs?
\_ I have used ext3 extensively with no issues. I have
about 6 TB of storage with file sizes of several GBs.
What exactly is the problem?
\_ that's what we call 'getting lucky' in the IT world.
i hope you're keeping really good backups. of the
80 or so tb had on ext3, about 5tb spontaneously
corrupted with no advanced warning. unrecoverable.
my company no longer uses linux for storage systems
after the zillion crash and data loss event.
\- on performance issues you can look at the freenix
paper by bryant forrester hawks. i dont know if there
is an update to the paper [pls post if you know] --psb
\_ What if performance isn't an issue?
\- then use AssOS with AssFS
\_ ok another question, how easy is it to mirror
all partitions, including /, in freebsd with
software RAID ?
\- hmm, this is an interesting time to be asking.
if you are not invested in freebsd4 you might look
at GEOM. anyone using GEOM? also, in my experience
if you are not pretty familar with veritas, disk suite,
vinum etc you could be getting yourself into trouble
by booting off of it. after a machine has crashed is
not when you want to be reading man pages because
you used to do everything with GUIs etc. --psb
\_ heh, aint that the truth. make sure you've got a
bootable recovery cd and keep it up to date. this
applies to all boot disk raid systems.
\_ summary of above: ask a performance question regarding your
intended workload. ask a reliability question based on your
expected failure modes. if your most likely failures are
due to putting the system into random states w/ bad hardware,
bad power, or bad kernel modules: you need off-line backups.
we've been running a multi-TB filesystem on a dual processor
dell xeon server w/ software RAID0 striping for over a year
that gets completely beat on by local processes and NFS clients
who use it as volatile scratch space, yet we've never had a
problem. it lives in the relatively controlled environment
of a machine room. i believe we're using ext3 w/ relatively
stock redhat 9 software.
\_ ext3 on redhat, hehe, you've got another copy of anything
important, right? it took about year before i started seeing
problems, but maybe you wont see that since you're not keeping
data there long term.
\_ Some people have apparently had issues. At least two of
us on the motd have not. Your experience does not match mine.
Maybe your hardware sucks or there is some other variable. |
| 2004/4/15-17 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:13223 Activity:nil |
4/15 OpenBSD ports/pkgs security issues are now available in vuxml.
http://www.vuxml.org/openbsd/index.html
(vuxml.org has a freebsd page as well) |
| 2004/4/15-16 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:13219 Activity:high |
4/15 How do people deal with long file names when burning CD? Rockridge
extension only allows upto 32 (31?) characters.
\_ Rockridge supports up to 127 characters in UNIX.
\_ tar (or use whichever archiver) first
\_ can unix read PC and hybrid cd formats?
\_ Depends on the UNIX. Linux can red Joliet if you compile it in.
I'm sure *BSD has a backport. No go on Solaris.
\_ I usually burn w/ joliet extensions turned on. This results in
the shorter 8.3 file names on solaris boxes that can't read joliet,
but the file names show up correctly on Linux, MacOS (9/X) and
FreeBSD.
\_ I usually burn with joliet (-J), rockridge (-R/-r), the
translation table (-T), and long file names (-l). Probably
overkill, but no problems reading the names.
\_ cool, but which program on Darwin/OSX does that?
\_ hdiutil, toast and mkisofs can all do this (the
options specified look like they are for mkisofs)
To make a joliet/iso9660 hybrid using hdiutil:
$ hdiutil makehybrid -verbose -iso -joliet \
-default-volume-name [vol name] -o [iso file] \
[dir]
\_ mkisof is not available on Darwin. hdiutil only
does iso level 2 so probably cannot do the job.
\_ mkisof is not available on Darwin. Anyway hdiutil
to make an image before burning. Unfortunately if
you want Rock Ridge extension, you have to use
something else to make the image first. At least
for the version I have: 5.2
\_ http://csua.org/u/6xb?arstechnica.com
probably does the job though I haven't checked.
What's nice about Toast is that it does not need
to make an image before burning, unfortunately unless
you want Rock Ridge extension, and it cannot be operated
from command line. At least for the version I have: 5.2 |
| 2004/4/2 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:12994 Activity:nil |
4/2 How can I get xbiff on my home freebsd machine to check my
/var/mail/ on soda? Thanks. |
| 2004/3/30 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:29888 Activity:high |
3/29 I'm installing binaries for both OsX and Linux and I'd like all the
users to have /usr/bin/<files> to be accessible. I thought about
/usr/bin/<files> for generic stuff (like scripts) and
/usr/bin/<platform>/<files> for platform specific things.
What is the correct approach to this?
\_ there are obviously several ways to do this, and "correct" is mostly
relative. what you describe is probably the most typical way to
do it though.
\_ FreeBSD way: put all the base stuff in /usr/bin. Platform supported
stuff goes in /usr/local/bin (eg, ports and pkgs). If you're not
using the provided pkg management stuff, put it in /opt.
\_ multiplatform support is a sysadm nightmare. Enjoy patching?
Upgrading Perl/CPAN/emacs and all that crap? Now you've got
2X the problem. There is only one correct way to deal with this.
One OS, nothing else. The correct OS to use is FreeBSD.
\- while the above post begs the question, i think there is
a lot of be said for not worrying about having a shared
dir for "sharable" codes. disk is cheep so i'd just ask soon
a lot to be said for not worrying about having a shared
dir for "sharable" codes. disk is cheap so i'd just ask to
have disjoint os specific trees and not worry about duplication
or keeping them in sync. --psb
\_ Why would you want to do that? Darwin and Linux do not have RW
compatible drivers except for old fashioned HFS (no +). |
| 2004/3/29-30 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:12920 Activity:high |
3/29 I'm installing binaries for both OsX and Linux and I'd like all the
users to have /usr/bin/<files> to be accessible. I thought about
/usr/bin/<files> for generic stuff (like scripts) and
/usr/bin/<platform>/<files> for platform specific things.
What is the correct approach to this?
\_ there are obviously several ways to do this, and "correct" is mostly
relative. what you describe is probably the most typical way to
do it though.
\_ FreeBSD way: put all the base stuff in /usr/bin. Platform supported
stuff goes in /usr/local/bin (eg, ports and pkgs). If you're not
using the provided pkg management stuff, put it in /opt.
\_ multiplatform support is a sysadm nightmare. Enjoy patching?
Upgrading Perl/CPAN/emacs and all that crap? Now you've got
2X the problem. There is only one correct way to deal with this.
One OS, nothing else. The correct OS to use is FreeBSD.
\- while the above post begs the question, i think there is
a lot to be said for not worrying about having a shared
dir for "sharable" codes. disk is cheap so i'd just ask to
a lot of be said for not worrying about having a shared
dir for "sharable" codes. disk is cheep so i'd just ask soon
have disjoint os specific trees and not worry about duplication
or keeping them in sync. --psb
\_ Why would you want to do that? Darwin and Linux do not have RW
compatible drivers except for old fashioned HFS (no +). |
| 2004/3/26-27 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:12885 Activity:nil |
3/26 FreeBSD question: all of a sudden (maybe the sysadmin did some kind
of upgrade?) emacs gives me.
/usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libXaw3d.so.7" not found
but I see /usr/local/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so.7. Any idea how to fix?
Actually it is not just an emacs problem. Lots of commands (like
cvsup) fail with the same error!
\_ Can't you ask that sysadmin?
\_ reboot. seriously. --fleePSB
\_ The correct answer was probably "run ldconfig as root"
\_ THAT WORKED!
\_ I tried ldconfig and that did not fix the problem.
Although I didnt try logging in and out after that.
\- i'd do the reboot to restart running processes.--psb
\_ A novice was trying to fix a broken Lisp machine by turning
the power off and on. Knight, seeing what the student was
doing spoke sternly: "You can not fix a machine by just
power-cycling it with no understanding of what is going
wrong." Knight turned the machine off and on. The machine
worked. |
| 2004/3/23-24 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:12820 Activity:nil |
3/23 SCO targeting LLNL and NERSC for using Linux:
http://news.com.com/2100-7344_3-5176308.html
NERSC is part of LBNL which is managed by the UC. The UC holds
copyright to BSD, so in a way, SCO is suing the Lab for using its own
code...
\_ BSD is going down! |
| 2004/3/7-8 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:12555 Activity:nil |
3/7 I'm trying to pkg_add a package on my FreeBSD-4.7 system, but
I get the following error:
pkg_add: read_plist: bad command '@conflicts kdebase-3*'
Searching the web, it seems like my pkg system might be old.
If so, how do I upgrade them, otherwise what could this
error message be? Thanks.
\_ see the freebsd handbook online for instructions on using cvsup.
\_ I already tried to install pkg_config and pkg_install
from ports with no success. |
| 2004/3/7-8 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:12551 Activity:nil |
3/7 What, if any, is a good mail reader for FreeBSD with a graphical
interface? Thanks.
\_ thunderbird or mozilla mail?
\_ second that. Thunderbird is pretty decent. |
| 2004/3/3-4 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:12501 Activity:nil |
3/3 How do I find out the size per block on my Linux machine? For example
even if I have a file size of 1, how big is it really taking? Thanks.
\_ stat(1) should give you this information
\- bsd has statfs() which returns f_bsize long in the statfs struct.
i dont know what AssOS does but haybe they have this too. --psb
\_ linux has statfs(2) as well. AssOS, must remember that,
I usually see it referred to as L1NSUX.
\_ boy those are both really clever. |
| 2004/3/2 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:12485 Activity:nil |
3/2 Is there a list somewhere of google tools (like http://www.google.com/linux that pre-limit searches to specific topics? I can't find it at http://labs.google.com. -John \_ I recall seeing this at one point, but the list of topics was small (e.g. five subjects) and contained mostly nerd things, e.g. Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD. The site: directive may be of some help. |
| 2004/3/1 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:12462 Activity:nil |
2/29 \_ s/key on my OpenBSD 3.3 system produces the following output:
sha1: AURA ALOE HURL WING BERG WAIT
rmd160: ONCE FRAY EROS JADE GINA ONE
--ranga
\_ thanks! |
| 2004/2/23-24 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:12362 Activity:nil |
2/23 Anyone else having problems with firefox .8 on FreeBSD 4.x?
It runs fine, but I get tons of weird warnings, errors,
and assertions being spit out in the xterm that started
firefox. |
| 2004/2/16-17 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:12272 Activity:nil |
2/16 This is sort of amusing:
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/2/15/71552/7795 -John |
| 2004/2/8-9 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:12161 Activity:nil |
2/8 I've been looking for an office-type proggie on FreeBSD for a while
and started using OpenOffice. It's a pain in the ass to compile
(never got it to build nicely) but after I found a binary package,
I have to say that it's pretty awesome. Highly recommended. -John
\_ The one with the key logger built in?
\_ Can it read MS Word documents? Can your files be read
by MS Word on pc's?
\_ more or less, yes, in both cases. OpenOffice is OK, but it's
not nearly as good an application as MS Office is, and has just
as much bloat. It might be able to keep you from using Windows,
though. -tom
\_ In what ways is it "not nearly as good"? I know it's not, but
specifics might be helpful.
\_ it can't display its own fonts on the screen properly.
The open/save dialog boxes are cumbersome.
It does stupid shit like allow you to save a file with
spaces in the name, then refuses to open that file from
the command line, even if you escape the spaces. -tom |
| 2004/2/8-9 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:12157 Activity:nil |
2/7 OpenBSD IPv6 DOS patch:
3.3: ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/patches/3.3/common/016_ip6.patch
3.4: ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/patches/3.4/common/011_ip6.patch
\_ not really serious unless you're a public IPv6 host. |
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