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2005/3/24 [Recreation/Humor] UID:36842 Activity:nil
3/23    This is seriously the funniest thing I have seen in a while:
        http://www.epsilonminus.com/darquedungeon
        \_ you should get out more.
        \_ Hey man, NIN r0x! You guys just don't understand meeeeeeee...
        \_ They talk about goths, but all the music they mention is
           techno-industrial. Besides, girls in black plastic are a good
           thing.
2005/3/24-25 [Computer/HW/Display] UID:36843 Activity:nil
3/24    What's the best VGA/XGA/SXGA to RCA (3 plug) converter out there?
        \_ Are you talking about one yellow cable = video, red/white cable
           = sound?
           \_ Since he's talking about using three plugs for just a video
              signal, maybe he means component video instead.
                \_ No I'm talking about 1 video 2 audio, where the 2 audio
                   comes from a headset plug and the 1 video comes from VGA
                   \_ Then ask the right question.  What's the best RGBHV to
                      Composite converter?  Audio portion has nothing to do
                      with the problem nor the solution.  And the answer is
                      Don't do it!  That's a terrible drop in quality.  If
                      you really need it, just get a Radeon card with
                      built-in composite + s-video out.
2005/3/24 [Computer/HW/Laptop, Computer/HW/Memory] UID:36844 Activity:high
3/23    I'm thinking about getting this laptop but the 60GB to 80GB upgrade
        adds about $150, and the 256MB->512MB RAM adds another $150. Is there
        any reason why I should do this, when I could potentially just buy a
        100GB drive for $230, and likewise something similar with RAM?
        \_ Tell us which notebook you want and maybe we can give advice.
           E.g., the ThinkPad T42 has only one accessible memory slot,
           the Fujitsu S7010(D) doesn't have a user-accessible hard drive,
           and some ultra-light notebooks accept only very thin hard drives.
           \_ In a T42, that one slot is shipped unpopulated, so you could
              still slap in an extra gig for ~$200.
           \_ how the heck do you repair/change a HD if it's not
              user-accessible? I mean, is it like welded or something?
              \_ Not user-accessible doesn't mean its not accessible, it just
                 means you'll have to go through (possibly damaging) grief and
                 possibly warranty voiding stickers to get at the hard disk.
                 My Sony VAIO Z505 back in the day was like this.  Since I
                 didn't care about the warranty, I managed to crack the
                 fucker open and upgrade the HD.  I managed to do it with
                 minimal damaage (i.e. minor scratches on the pretty case).
                 Similarly, opening up my Powerbook isn't happening, and I'm
                 not going to risk my extended warranty to do it.
                 not going to risk my extended warranty to do it. -dans
           \_ Fujitsu T4010D (yes it's pricy but I REALLY want it)   -pp
              \_ If the 60GB is 7200rpm you might not want to 'upgrade' to a
                 80GB 5400rpm.
              \_ Search http://tabletpcbuzz.com for user comments.  I found some
                 on google already just by searching "t4010d upgrade".
        \_ Get the RAM, don't get the drive. 20 GB is not worth $150. If
           you need space later you can always add a USB drive. You will
           always use the RAM, though.
        \_ Did you check http://portableone.com?  They used to be the #1 seller of
           Fujitsu notebooks before http://newegg.com moved in, not sure now.
           40GB->80GB is $200, 40GB->60GB 7200rpm is $170.  (I have the 7200rpm
           drive, and it's great, no problems.)  512MB is standard.
           3yr warranty is cheap too.  Oh look, you can also customize the
           display to something that's indoor/outdoor and 180 deg viewing.
2005/3/24 [Finance/Investment] UID:36845 Activity:nil
3/23    A guy blathers about bubbles.
        http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58600-2005Mar22_2.html
        \_ They used to just call this inflation.
           \_ Your brain == small
2005/3/24-25 [Computer/SW/Database, Computer/SW/Languages/Perl] UID:36846 Activity:nil Edit_by:auto
3/24    How do I do non-blocking read in Perl? For example, let's say I do
        open(FD, "tail -f file.log |");
        And I'd like to read it, but not block it. Can that be done? -ok thx
        \_ Yes. You need to use fcntl to mark FD as non-blocking and then
           you need to use select and sysread to read from FD.
        \_ http://www.unix.org.ua/orelly/perl/advprog/ch12_03.htm
           http://www.unix.org.ua/orelly/perl/cookbook/ch07_15.htm
           Bottom page, very useful
Open the file with sysopen, and specify the O_NONBLOCK option:
use Fcntl;
sysopen(MODEM, "/dev/cua0", O_NONBLOCK|O_RDWR)
    or die "Can't open modem: $!\n";
If you already have a filehandle, use fcntl to change the flags:
use Fcntl;
$flags = '';
fcntl(HANDLE, F_GETFL, $flags)
    or die "Couldn't get flags for HANDLE : $!\n";
$flags |= O_NONBLOCK;
fcntl(HANDLE, F_SETFL, $flags)
    or die "Couldn't set flags for HANDLE: $!\n";
Once a filehandle is set for non-blocking I/O, the sysread or syswrite calls tha\
t would block will instead return undef and set $! to EAGAIN:
use POSIX qw(:errno_h);
$rv = syswrite(HANDLE, $buffer, length $buffer);
if (!defined($rv) && $! == EAGAIN) {
    # would block
} elsif ($rv != length $buffer) {
    # incomplete write
} else {
    # successfully wrote
}
$rv = sysread(HANDLE, $buffer, $BUFSIZ);
if (!defined($rv) && $! == EAGAIN) {
    # would block
} else {
    # successfully read $rv bytes from HANDLE
}
2005/3/24-25 [Politics/Domestic, Recreation/Humor] UID:36847 Activity:high
3/24    Best commentary on the Schiavo clusterfuck evAR:
        http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war45.html -dans
        \_ No. Commentary is written in sentences and paragraphs.  Comics
           involve art, and graphically based humor.  This is neither.  It is
           in the same category as that fucking talking penguin.
           \_ you mean pokey the penguin?  i love pokey! - danh
              \_ i don't know his name. it's from This Modern World.  death to
                 the penguin!
                 \_ Tom Tomorrow >> the above crap
                    \_ tom tomorrow sucks ass.  He is neither a real cartoonist
                       nor a real editorialist.  He is a guy who uses
                       unspeakably shitty art to make simple minded points
                       using non-funny sarcasm.  he is an insult to
                       real cartoonists everywhere.
                       \_ wow, "unspeakably shitty art"? wtf is your problem?
                          no, more plausible is you hate the message. who is
                          a "real" cartoonist or "real" editorialist? you have
                          been classified as: a fucking idiot.
                          \_ Actually, I usually agree with his message.
                             Examples of real cartoonists would include
                             Trudeau, McGruder, Larson, Waterson, and Andy
                             Singer.  Editorialists are people who *write*
                             in *English*, in actual sentences and paragraphs.
                             Tomorrow is simply a shitty, no-talent hack who
                             sells his crap to people who like his message
                             so much that they have blinded themselves to his
                             lack of talent.
                             \_ Political cartoons are editorial in nature...
                                I'm not saying TT is so wonderful but his
                                art and his english sentences carry as much
                                weight as most other political blatherers out
                                there. How is http://www.andysinger.com/sample5.html
                                               \_ The only thing funny about
                                                  this is the liberal/author-
                                                  itarian implication that
                                                  people wouldn't voluntarily
                                                  follow traffic lights.
                                                  They most certainly would.
                                                  (think blackouts) -phuqm
                                any different? It's worse than most of TT.
                                Larson and Watterson are a completely different
                                category.
                          \_ Michael Ramirez of the LA Times is a real
                             cartoonist!  http://csua.org/u/bhi
                             -troll
                             \_ Well, he's better than Tom Tommorow.  He
                                actually draws funny pictures.
                                \_ this one is pretty dang shitty:
                   http://www.latimes.com/includes/ramirez/ramirez_20050306.gif
            \_ Thank you oh great anonymous wanker who knows all of art,
               commentary, and humor.  A few suggestions to guarantee that you
               never let any wisdom taint your blessedly naive omnipotence.
               1) Avoid dictionaries.  Even the literal meaning of words can
                  be dangerous.
               2) Don't ever read {Understanding, Reinventing} Comics by Scott
                  McCloud
               3) Don't ever enroll in a top notch Bachelor of Fine Arts
                  program.  You will have your ass handed to you on a platter.
               4) Don't ever enroll in a top notch Master of Fine Arts
                  program.  Your ass will be flambeed, and then handed to you
                  on platter.  This will be done in front of an audience as a
                  performance art piece, and filmed for posterity. -dans
        \_ As stupid as I think the whole Schiavo thing is, I'm really
           not sure what was supposed to be funny about these comics.
           -jrleek
        \_ that's great
        \_ FUCKING LAME, don't waste your time reading it. The best jokes are
           quick and to the point, like The Far Side. This is neither.
           \_ There's no accounting for taste.
2005/3/24-28 [Industry/Jobs] UID:36848 Activity:nil
3/24    My group (Yahoo! Small Business - Store) has openings for engineers
        with  1+ year experience and also for senior engineers with 6+ years
        of experience (BS or higher).  Please let me know if you know of any
        engineers looking for (change of) jobs.  Also, how do I get these
        openings posted at the career center?  -conlam
        \_ What's the salary at Yahoo like for engineer with 5-6 years of
           experience?
           \_ pay is approx "industry average" -atom
2005/3/24-28 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin, Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/HW/Memory] UID:36849 Activity:nil
3/24    I have a procmail process on Linux that I would like it to talk
        HTTP to a servlet (or any URL for that matter).  What is the most
        efficient (the smaller the memory footprint, the better) and the
        most scalable (we do have heavy email volume) and the most performing
        way you can think of?  TIA.
2005/3/24 [Uncategorized] UID:36850 Activity:high
3/24    I deleted all my porn!
        \_ how many GIGs did you have?
        \_ needed more room for warez?
2005/3/24 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:36851 Activity:nil
3/24    Just in case you think we're getting close to the end of the
        loopiness caused by the Republicans running everything:
        http://csua.org/u/bhg
2005/3/24-28 [Computer/HW/Laptop] UID:36852 Activity:nil
3/24    Can ALL laptops boot up from any arbitrary USB CD drive, or do they
        require USB drivers (in another word, no)?
        \_ ALL laptops?  Of course not.  Most modern ones should be able to,
           but I'm sure there are funky special BIOSes on some of them.
2005/3/24-25 [Science/Space, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:36853 Activity:low
3/24    Just in case you think we're getting close to the end of the
        loopiness caused by the Republicans running everything:
        http://csua.org/u/bhg
        I think the moral of the story is "Trial lawyers are bad for the
        country and cause our healthcare costs to go up but they're good
        if you're suing leftist professors because they don't agree with
        your beliefs" ... WTF?
        \_ "Professors would also be advised to teach alternative serious
            academic theories that may disagree with their personal views"
            Well at least they're not requiring anyone to teach creationism.
            Or is that Kansas public schools only?  And this is pretty funny:
            "Freedom is a dangerous thing, and you might be exposed to things
            you don't want to hear"  Kinda goes both ways... -John
                \_ The point is if some Prof is teaching evolution and some
                   student doesn't like it they are being encouraged to sue
                   the school -- that is beyond lame -- don't go and get
                   educated at a University if you don't want to be taught
                   the currently prevailing theories and science.
                   \_ Ever heard of "preaching to the choir"?  That quote is
                      from the bill's sponsor.  -John
        \_ Water is good if you drink it in moderate amounts because you
           need it for life.  Water is bad if you're in a tank of it with
           weights tied to your legs.  WTF?
           \_ Your brain has been classified as: small
              \_ Your statement has been classified as content free.
                 \_ Your statement has been classified as content free.
        \_ Time to amputate Florida before the disease spreads.
           \_ But it's America's wang!
2005/3/24-25 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:36854 Activity:nil
3/24    Can WinXP run different threads on different processors on a
        multiprocessor machine?  Or must they be different processes?
        \_ There wouldn't be much point to multithreading otherwise, would
           there?  Yes, multithreaded apps run better on SMP systems.
        \_ Can WinXP run different threads of a multi-threaded process on
           multiple CPUs?  Probably.
                           \_ yes.
                              \_ Confirmed now via direct testing on a dual
                                 Xeon. -op
           Can WinXP run multiple single-threaded processes on multiple CPUs?
           Yes.
           \_ What about on NT and Win2K?
              \_ The answers should be the same on NT and Win2K.  If the
                 question is, does any one do it better? then you got me.
2005/3/24 [Reference/Military, Politics] UID:36855 Activity:low
3/24    Before that day, [10th-grader shot in the hip Cody] Thunder said he
        had talked to Weise several times, even attempting to befriend him.
        "He seemed like a loner, and I just felt like it would be good to go
        talk to him ... [but Weise] talked about nothing but guns and shooting
        people," ... the attempt to reach out didn't result in friendship.
        Weise covered his notebook with military insignia and would change his
        hair, once shaping it into a style "like devil horns or something, "
        ... "I never thought he would come up and try to shoot up the school.
        ... He looked right at me ... I thought he was messing around. I
        thought it was a paint gun or something."
        \_ I heard the statements. The shooter was trying to be evil. He
           found power in acting out his "evil" with the psuedo-goth getup
           and in his statements. It might have started out as an act, but
           eventually led to tragedy. I've wondered why the politicians
           haven't jumped on this given the newfound "Culture of Life" unless
           it has something with the shooter and most of the victims being poor
           and Native Americans.
2005/3/24-28 [Computer/Blog] UID:36856 Activity:nil
3/24    Any good suggestions for a free place to host pictures for
        other people to see?  I'd like to put up 1024x768, at least.
        \_ http://flickr.com
           \_ any opinions on flickr? any space limit or time limit on images?
              \_ you have a monthly upload limit unless you pay $40+/year.
        \_ http://fuckyouanddie.com <- this is actually the name of a freesite
        \_ imageshack.us
2005/3/24-25 [Recreation/Humor, Reference/Religion] UID:36857 Activity:kinda low Cat_by:auto
3/24    The Fellowship Baptist Creation Science Fair!
        http://objective.jesussave.us/creationsciencefair.html
        Winners include "My Uncle Is A Man Named Steve (Not A Monkey)",
        "Women Were Designed For Homemaking", and "Using Prayer To Microevolve
        Latent Antibiotic Resistance In Bacteria".
        \_ Wow.  That last one made me laugh out loud.  Until I went to the
           link and saw that it was real. -emarkp
                                    \_ It's not.
                                    \_ It's not.  Main evidence: the
                                       non-existence of "Fellowship University",
                                       where their various "experts" are
                                       supposedly professors.
        \_ You missed such jems as: "Pokemon Prove Evolutionism Is False"
           and "Rocks Can't Evolve, Where Did They Come From Mr. Darwin?"
           -jrleek
        \_ Jesus Christ is getting stronger every single day, and will finally
           come back to rule the earth! In another news, Christians are
           building a space ship, RESISTANCE IS FUTILE, YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED
           \_ there's a space ship behind the comet
        \_ Unfortunately this site is satire.  Check out the Landover Baptist
           site that they link to: http://www.landoverbaptist.org
           \_ No, I don't think so. It is getting harder and harder to
              tell parody from seriousness from these guys, but they
              comdemn Landover Baptist Church:
              http://objective.jesussave.us/shutdown.html
              Okay, this convinces me:
              http://www.cafepress.com/objectivemin.11596947
              They have *got* to be kidding.
2005/3/24 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:36858 Activity:kinda low
3/24    MUAHAHAHHAH!
        soda [2] wc -l /etc/motd.public
             772 /etc/motd.public
        \_ Stop tempting fate!!!
        \_ the motd censors must be taking time off during spring break.
        \_ Nuclear launch detected.
2005/3/24-25 [Recreation/Dating] UID:36859 Activity:high
3/24    So the husband want the tube removed. Is it because of money? Why
        doesn't he just hand over her to her parents if he doesn't
        want to deal with it? Think about this for a sec, who would
        you trust more, your partner or your parents in this matter?
        This is a bit scary, the parents cannot do anything about it.
        Although I think the whole thing is stupid, I think something
        about it bothers me. I think most people would prefer a
        sleeping pill over a slow week long starvation death.
        \_ The law respects the word of the spouse over the parents
           in the absence of mitigating circumstances because this
           is the person who is supposed to be closest to you, and
           the marriage contract encompasses this agreement.  Suppose
           you told your spouse you wanted her to have your posessions
           and children when you died.  Would you want her to go through
           court battles with your parents if they decided they wanted
           a piece?
           What's amusing is laying this whole situation alongside the
           "sanctity of marriage" arguments against gay unions.
                \_ ha, good point there.
           \_ Her husband pissed away any sanctity when he started having sex
              with another woman in 1992 while he was telling a court "I have
              to have $20M to take care of Terri for the rest of my life."
              \_ Okay, alternative history that actually makes sense.  Terri's
                 heart stops, and causes brain damage, leaving her in a PVS.
                 Michael sues for malpractice and wins (presumably because it
                 actually WAS malpractice).  The money goes to Terri's care
                 (as she would have been the plaintiff in the malpractice suit,
                 that's where it should go).  After some time, Terri's condition
                 has deteriorated.  Terri's parents urge Michael to get out
                 and meet people.  Terri's condition worsens.  The doctors tell
                 him her brain has atrophied, and her chances of coming out of
                 him her brain has liquified, and her chances of coming out of
                 it are nil.  He says this is not how she would want to live.
                 Looking back at it, from the outside, not knowing the person,
                 a commentator can make any step of this look sordid.  If you
                 look at it forward, it doesn't make as good television, but
                 it makes a hell of a lot more sense.
                 \_ He didn't even mention her desire to "not live this way"
                    until 1997, after he was "engaged" to his current
                    girlfriend.  He should have divorced her and let her
                    parents take care of her.
                    \_ What if there were some hope of recovery in the first
                       x years, and she had gotten worse actually by 1997?
                       \_ He stopped all therapy in 1995 and has kept her in a
                          hospice (fraudulently).  He's prevented people from
                          any theraputic action, providing antibiotics for an
                          infection or even BRUSHING HER TEETH.
                          \_ What is your source on this info?
                             \_ I think his source is called 'fictional'.
                          \_ Yeah, so how about x = 5?
        \_ but sleeping pills don't kill.
           \_ No, I am talking about you take lots and die in sleep.
              \_ That would be called premeditated murder, especially after
                 15 years.
        \_ People in this position starve to death all the time.  (Or,
           dehydrate to death, as is more likely the case.)  This is more
           or less what happened with my grandmother.  She had untreatable
           cancer, and she slept more and more until she no longer woke up
           to eat.
        \_ Let me ask a stupid question. Can the husband date/marry
           another person IF he choose to keep the feeding tube? If
           she's in this state for another 20 years, then is the
           husband 'tied' to her for another 20 years?
                \_ technically, he's already married (by common law, since
                   he's been living with another woman for over 10 years)
                                                                \_ pimp!
                   \_ Most states have eliminated common-law marriage and in
                      any case they don't apply when you're already married.
                      \_ In this case, if he and the other woman split, the
                         courts would probably treat it akin to a marriage.
                         This case show up when couples don't divorce for
                         religious reasons. It gets messy....
        \_ You know, I am really annoyed that the government stuck its
           nose in this case, but for the life of me, I cannot understand
           why her husband didn't just hand over custody to her parents either.
           \_ As I understand it he wants to marry his common-law wife and has
              a financial interest in his legal wife being officially dead.
              \_ That's a hell of an allegation.  Where did you hear about any
                 financial interest?
              \_ He could just divorce her. I am suspicious of all the slander
                 regarding money. I really don't know, one way or another, but
                 it smells like your classic Right Wing smear campaign to me.
                 Are the Swifties behind it?
              \_ fucker, just hand over the girl to the parent.
              \_ What financial incentive? He's kept a lawyer on retainer
                 and in court for 15 years. The government or whatever health
                 org will demand repayment from whatever money recieved. If
                 there is money involved, it'll be gone once the lawsuits
                 start flying...
           \_ Which do you believe:
              (1) Hubbie really cared about his wife, she really did tell him
                  that he should pull the plug if she became a vegetable and
                  there was no hope she could recover to the point where she
                  could say something about this.
              (2) Hubbie just wanted her dead so he could be rid of his "old
                  life", and didn't want her parents bothering him anymore.
                  Anyways, now he just wants the problem to go away, and what
                  better way than for her to be dead.
                  (2a) There were monetary benefits too.
              (3) Hubbie didn't really care about his wife, she never told him
                  to pull the plug, but he thinks she would feel that way
                  (he personally would want to die in that situation), so
                  he thinks he's doing her a favor even though he could be
                  wrong.  Anyways, it's been 15 years and she's only gotten
                  worse.
               \_ Hubbie didn't pull the media and Congress into this.  Hubbie
                  wasn't looking for notoriety.  This is such bullshit.  In a
                  sane world, we wouldn't have heard about this case.  They
                  would have worked it out within the family, and if not, the
                  court decision would have ended the discussion and Terri
                  would be at peace.  This is a travesty caused by politicians.
               \_ 2. If you really love someone, the last thing you would do
                     is to pull the plug.
                  \_ bullshit
                  \_ Spoken like someone whose never seen a loved one in
                     real pain.
                     \_ Seriously.  *sheesh*
                     \_ you haven't peered into the human psyche until you
                        see this situation and one sibling is clinging
                        desparately to "daddy" while the other is trying
                        to let him go.  then the fur flies...
        \_ No sleeping pills. That's murder. You become an active participant
           in death. She's feet away from a trauma center. There isn't much
           you can do to kill her without someone stepping in. Spouses have
           precedence because you actively chose them. As for why the husband
           hasn't given up custody, it's probably for the same reason why
           the parents haven't let her die. Love can be a brutal thing.
           \_ Actually, in Oregon, as a patient diagnosed with a terminal
              illness, you can legally request a lethal dose of drugs.
              The problem is you have to be judged of sound mind when you ask
              for it, and you have to swallow them yourself.  Accomplishing
              all that, it's still legal for both the person killing themself
              and the prescriber.
              \- If Charles Dickens were alive today, Bleak House II would be
                 Schiavo v. Schiavo instead of Jarndyce v. Jarndyce. --psb
                 \_ "Bleak House Two: This time it's political!"
2005/3/24 [Uncategorized] UID:36860 Activity:nil
3/26    Can LCDs be transparent, without the back whitelight? I'm asking
   \_ Wrong date dumbass
        because I think it would be REALLY cool if you can layer one
        transparent LCD after another. And if would be cool if there is
        an eye focus webcam that can track your eyes and make whatever
        layer you're looking at brighter than the other LCDs. Someday...
        \_ try google Organic LED (OLED)
        \_ Wouldn't it be even better if it can bring the layer you're looking
           at to the front instead of just making it brighter?  Oh wait, it
           already exists.  It's called windowing GUI, and it requires one LCD.
2005/3/24-28 [Computer/Networking] UID:36861 Activity:kinda low
3/24    So I had another Linksys router die on me today. Are linksys
        routers rated for a limited lifetime? It seems like they only
        last a year or two of usage. However, we do keep it on 24/7
        in an office full of people.
        \_ I've had 2/3 or 3/4 linksys wap's croak on me in way too short a
           time.  At my work, the IT guys loathe the linksys equipment since
        \_ I've had 2/3 or 3/4 of my linksys wap's croak on me way too
           quickly.  At my work, the IT guys loathe the linksys equipment since
           it makes too much work for them.
        \_ I would guess 1 year only.  I haven't seen any consumer-grade
           router with a warranty longer than that.
           \_ Belkin gives a lifetime warranty.
              \_ Wow, I didn't know that, thanks.
        \_ Did you try upgrading the firmware? that seems to fix
           many of the problems that linksys gets over time.
           \_ Will try that. The thing dies every couple of minutes
              and needs a reboot. I also believe it's overheating.
           \- put it in the fridge for 10 min and see if it works.
           \_ My linksys router is messed up in such a way where I cannot
              upgrade its firmware, as they required some stupid mis-feature
              in an OLD version of IE I can't even get any more.
              \_ You know, most of them support doing a firmware upgrade over
                 TFTP.  Search tech support on Linksys' site.  Also, some of
                 them let you install it as a USB device and upload the
                 firmware over USB.
        \_ Buy a Netgear next time.
        \_ Buy Apple. My original ABS is still going strong.
           \- my apple airport express has more problem than my linksys
              \_ My AE works great. Plugged it in, configured it w/
                 the admin utility, and never looked back.
2005/3/24-25 [Reference/RealEstate] UID:36862 Activity:nil
3/24    New housing numbers: http://tinyurl.com/59xbe
        \_ ITS A BUBBLE I TELL YOU A BUBBLE!!! IN THREE MONTHS I WILL
           BE ABLE TO BUY MY DREAM 4 BEDROOM 3 BATH HOME IN ROCKRIDGE
           FOR UNDER $200,000!
           \_ Heh, I bet you bought into the NASDAQ in 2000 also, didn't you.
              Now I can buy stock at less than 50% of their highs.
              \_ Yeah, but I also bought stock in 1997, 1998, 1999,
                 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2005.
2005/3/24-28 [Health/Dental] UID:36863 Activity:low
3/24    How many of you have mercury dental amalgams in your mouth?
        I still see a lot of conflicting information out there. Why is it
        it okay to have mercury vapor going into your body?
        \_ I do.  What evidence is there of mercury vapor going into your body?
           The amalgam isn't the same as free mercury.
            \_ How should I know what evidence there is for anything? That's
               what I'm saying, there's conflicting information. My dentist
               gave me a "facts" booklet when I asked about it, which says
               "research continues" and "a diversity of opinions exists".
               It's a fact that the 50% mercury component is emitted as
               vapor. It seems likely that different conditions affect just
               how much is emitted, and there are various compositions of
               amalgam that might be in your mouth. It's pretty much accepted
               that mercury vapor is absorbed in the body. If you spill some
               mercury on the ground you do not want to breathe that stuff.
               Anyway people seem worried about mercury in fish and I've seen
               claims that dental mercury accounts for more than any other
               source.
               \_ Well, if you think about it, the amount of lead you consume
                  when brushing your teeth is probably pretty bad too over
                  a lifetime, or the amount of ultraviolet radiation you
                  get from sun exposure, or the carcinogens you breath in
                  from all the emissions from cars, or the abestos that
                  still exists in many old buildings... Perhaps it's about
                  time you took a vacation and relaxed.
        \_ There was a study that showed correlation betw. birth defects
           and number of mercury fillings in the pregnant mother.
           \_ I saw this thing on TV about stuff!
2005/3/24-25 [Uncategorized] UID:36864 Activity:nil
3/24    Would people be interested in a mailing list for all the finance
        related opinions?
        \_ You should name it:
           i-want-to-be-like-martha-list
        \_ how about be-like-martha-list?
2005/3/24-28 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:36865 Activity:nil
3/24    OpenBSD 3.7 available for pre-order:
        http://www.openbsd.org/items.html#37
2005/3/24-28 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:36866 Activity:nil
3/24    Ah, the eloquence of Taiwanese English media
        http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/feat/archives/2005/03/25/2003247763
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