Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2005:March:23 Wednesday <Tuesday, Thursday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2005/3/23-24 [Computer/HW/Laptop, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:36819 Activity:nil
3/22    Say you buy a brand new laptop that says it comes with Windows XP,
        Word, Excel, etc. I know that they come preinstalled, but let's say
        you want to reformat your drive and reinstall. Are ALL the softwares
        included in the package (CDs) so that you can reinstall them?
        \_ Usually they are, but sometimes they are packaged in annoying way,
           i.e. the laptops comes with a rescue CD that let's you restore it
           to the (lame) factory defaults it shipped with (which does include
           all that software, but is also the default Toshiba or Dell or
           whatever configuration) -dans
        \_ You are buying OEM copies of the software (WinXP, Office), which
           amounts to hundreds of dollars.  The OEM license allows you to
           re-install the software on that computer.  If you don't have CDs,
           you can request them from the manufacturer of your notebook.
           No migrating the license to another computer, though -- that's not
           covered by the OEM license.
2005/3/23-24 [Uncategorized] UID:36820 Activity:low
3/23    Terri's bone scan the day of her accident
        \_ Oh, noes! Her husband was a bad man! Or, wait, did her parents
           beat her? Let's save her from her evil oppressors who have sat
           by her side for the last 15 years!!!!
        \_ seems like pretty damning evidence.  another scott peterson
           \_ I guess I'm fairly dumb, I don't know what this says.
        \_ So you think this escaped the attention of the courts for years
           and years?  Could it instead be a result of her being bulimic?
2005/3/23-24 [Politics/Domestic/Abortion, Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:36821 Activity:moderate
3/23    Mother arrested for attempting to intervene
        in her 14-year old's decision to have abortion
        \_ Yeah, let's protect family values by letting 14-year-old rape
           victims have children!  -tom
           \_ Yeah, let's protect family values by allowing non-relations
              to take 14 year olds out of school, and disallow them from
              speaking with their parents!  -jrleek
              \_ Sorry, "family values" isn't the Democratic party line.
                 \_ Perhaps it should be. They've lost the last three elections.
                    \_ well, no they haven't.  -tom
                 While how this was done may not have been totally appropriate,
                 the result is certainly better than the alternative.  -tom
                 \_ Perhaps it should be. They've lost the last three elections.
                    \_ well, no they haven't.  -tom
                    \_ well, no they haven'T.  -tom
                    \_ And you're deluded if you think "family values" is
                       is the reason for that.
                 \_ Wow, you must be reading a different article where
                    they describe in deatil what the alternitives were.
                    \_ you're right; one alternative would be to send her
                       moronic parents to somewhere godforsaken like Utah;
                       that probably would have been a better alternative.
            \_ I don't think you understand the case.
               \_ Are you responding to tom?  It's hard to tell.
        \_ Hard-core liberal (tom) vs. hard-core conservative (jrleek) fight
           round 1!
        \_ tom and jrleek, I'd like to hear from 2 very different perspectives
           as I don't have any opinion on this. What is your opinion on the
           idea of Federalism, where you move a lot of the government powers
           to individual States, or even counties. For example, a system where
           people in the Bay Area can have abortion, gay marriage, etc, and
           where people in Utah can go to jail for abortion, gay marriage, etc.
           In another word, do you believe in one government for all, or do
           you think Federalism has merits?   -a curious moderate w/no opinion
           \_ I would be more interested in California (or just the Bay Area)
              seceding.  The idea of the US as an entity dilutes if the laws
              are totally different in every state.  -tom
           \_ According to the Christian World View Weekend web site
              ( it is more
              sinfull to have no opinion on abortion (-2 points) than it is to
              to think abortion is ok (-1 points). Try it! !tom !jrleek
           \_ The problem being the people wanting to travel to the 'less
              restrictive' states to get away from laws in the 'more
              restrictive ones.'   What's to stop them?  Fencing in the
              citizens of the more restrictive states?
              \_ I already escape to Las Vegas so that I can legally gamble my
                 life savings away and live in a life of debauchery for a few
                 days before I become broke, and I'm sure I'm not the only one
                 doing it.
           \_ The concept of states rights doesn't mean that the states have
              the abs. right to create any laws that they want.  What laws
              they do create must be consistent w/ the constitution. In the
              instances that you cite, there may be greater federal interests
              in consistency btwn the states than in allowing the states to
              make their own rules. BTW, in terms of criminal law the system
              does largely operate the way that you describe, almost every
              state has a different set of rules for most serious crimes.
2005/3/23-24 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:36822 Activity:nil
3/23    graphical tool in linux/freebsd that lets me mess
        around with my WEP key and ssid id?
2005/3/23-24 [Uncategorized] UID:36823 Activity:nil
3/23    Araft was killed by an Israeli laser attack!
        \_ He was poisoned by the laser attack.  Yeah right.
        \_ They blinded him with science.
2005/3/23-24 [Computer/HW/Laptop, Computer/HW/Printer] UID:36824 Activity:kinda low
3/23    Any recommendations for an Ethernet print server for a
        USB printer. Ideally would like it to work with XP and OS X.
        \_ Just use your PC as the server and let other PCs print to it.
           \_ If OP wanted to do that, they wouldn't be asking about standalone
              print servers, would they?
                \_ Correct. OP is working with a single laptop setup. -op
                   \_ Just curious.  Why do you need a server?
                       \_ My friend uses his laptop in his family room
                          on the ottoman, and his printer/WiFi/Cable modem
                          is all in his office. He wants to be able to
                          print from his family room to his USB printer.
                          A wireless print server is not necessary, but
                          a ethernet->USB print server would perfect.
           \_ Also, a PC running 24x7 as a printer server prolly sucks up
              a ton of pcu-cycles and energy.
              \_ Good point.
        \_ Buy a real network printer.  That's the real answer.  I recommend
           a Brother DCP-8045D with the Brother NC9100H Ethernet interface, not
           the overpriced HP stuff.  Laser, duplex, flatbed scanning,
           photocopy, fax.  I have the HL-5170DN (no fax, no photocopy, no
           scanning); now I wish I just splurged.
           To answer your question, go to and search for "print
           server", and sort by "Best Rating".  The problem with generic
           USB->Ethernet print server hardware is that you can't do any custom
           stuff over Ethernet (e.g., monitor ink levels, most manual duplex).
           \_ Yes, that is what I have personally. a LaserJet 4MP/PS with
              a built-in JetDirect Ethernet card print server. Got it at
              northbaynetworks in emeryville. I think it was $100.
        \_ If you want wireless w/ your print server, get an airport
           \_ Great idea! Can it share any USB printer?
              \_ I think so. I don't know which exact models it
                 supports but I've seen people hook up all sorts
                 of cheap ass usb printers and have them work.
2005/3/23-24 [Uncategorized] UID:36825 Activity:nil
3/26    This reminds me of my marriage:
        \_ Yuck
2005/3/23-24 [Science/Biology] UID:36826 Activity:high
3/26    Wow, religion is getting stronger and stronger every day:
        \_ Don't you mean "ignorance of science?"
           \_ Is it ignorance or denial?
              \_ Given the state of our educational system, I'm much more
                 inclined to believe it is ignorance.  I think the number
                 of people who are just ignorant of biological science
                 far outweighs the number that actively deny its
                 \_ um, no. People just want to hear what they like to hear.
                    Just look at the 2 Mormons on motd. They are well
                    educated but they choose to believe in something else.
                    It's their right, they can believe whatever they want.
                    \_ Wrong!  People don't even know what they like to hear.
                       They just don't want to think, so they want to be told
                       what to do and think.
                       \_ It's scary thinking on your own. What if you're
                          wrong? More importantly, what if it's different than
                          what your peers think? Then you might be mocked or
                    \_ I don't think jrleek and emarkp are really a
                       representative slice of the general population.
                       Are you really trying to say that?
                    \_ I think the theaters are stupid for not showing the
                       movies.  I think evolution should be taught (and taught
                       /well/) in schools. -emarkp
                        \_ I am *SHOCKED* to hear this. I guess it's a good
                           and pleasant kind of shock, but still, a shock. I
                           guess when liberal news portray Religious folks
                           as supporters of "Intelligent Design", it's just
                           liberal trash news.
                           \_ That's probably what emarkp means by
                              "taught well"  -tom
                              \_ In as much detail as possible.  I didn't have
                                 much more in high school than survival of the
                                 fittest + handwaving.  I would like to see
                                 what current theory is about how an organism
                                 of more chromosomes can evolve from one of
                                 fewer, examples of complex structures evolving
                                 from simpler ones, etc.  We're homeschooling
                                 our kids and I'm actually looking for a good
                                 primer on modern evolutionary theory. -emarkp
                                 \_ You're better off finding a field biologist
                                    who'll let your kids tag along and learn
                                    by assisting.  I was homeschooled, and
                                    that's what I did.  It was awesome.
                           \_ Intelligent design and "creationist science" are
                              junk science.  They're science with an agenda,
                              which is bad bad bad. -emarkp
                              \_ you know, I'm beginning to feel bad for
                                 making fun of you... it's now more clear
                                 that you're not one of them.
                           \_ I never understood what conservative/religious
                              has to do w/ evolution.  Sure there are some
                              lunatics out there who think that god made the
                              world in 6 days (or whatever) but there are
                              plenty of conservatives who accept evolution
                              as generally true.
                              \_ You misunderestimate the american public.
                                 \_ And God created Weapons of Mass Destruction
                                    in Iraq, and He was pleased with what he
                                 \_ And God said, "Let there be Weapons of
                                    Mass Destruction in Iraq", and He was
                                    pleased with what he created.
                                    \_ I Buh-LEEVE!!1!
2005/3/23-24 [Recreation/Dating, Computer/SW/Security] UID:36827 Activity:high
3/26    One more reason to use PGP, and maybe the Anonymizer. And by the way,
        only 1700 porn pictures? I have at least 100X that:
        \_ You have over 170,000 porn pictures?
           \_ I do.
              \_ Assuming no repeats an a minimal 10 seconds per picture,
              \_ Assuming no repeats and a minimal 10 seconds per picture,
                 it would take you 472.2 hours to looks at all that pr0n.
                 Where are you getting the time?
                 \_ 10 seconds?  Try 1.
                 \_ 472 hrs? Spread that over five years and you are talking
                    about an hour a week.
                    \_ Just another slow work week.
        \_ How about yet another reason to get your mind out of the
           gutter and use your higher cognitive functions for something
           more useful than viewing pictures of women in various states
           of undress?
           \_ How about two or more women?
           \_ I agree. He should spend more time getting out of the house
              to find women willing to undress live and in person. There's
              no cognitive function more useful than that.
2005/3/23-24 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:36828 Activity:kinda low
3/23    What's the best way to configure a day-to-day WinXP user
        account to be unprivileged? Is there something like sudo,
        or does the user need to switch to admin before making
        system changes/software install?
        \_ For some program icons in the Start menu, you can right-click on it
           and get a "Run as..." option.  If not, go to Properties -> Shortcut
           -> Advanced -> Run with different credentials.
           \_ Ah cool. Then when you "Run As" does windows prompt you
              for the root password?
              \_ Yes, but there are some administrative tasks that need root
                 which I don't know how to 'sudo'.  Example would be control
                 panel stuff and things done through Explorer itself.
                  \_ And for those tasks do you first switch users
                     and then run explorer and/or control panel?
                     \_ Yes, but kind of a PITA.
                        \_ Is there a non PITA way to do it?
                           \_ I'd love to hear it. -pp
                              \_ my trick for this is to start
                                 iexplore as root with "run as"... you
                                 can probably bookmark desktop,
                                 control panel, etc in root's iexplore but i
                                 just navigate there myself.
                                 \_ Thanks! that is great. kinda
                                    like "sudo bash"..
                                 \_ Thanks! That is great. kinda
                                    like "sudo bash"  -op
        \_ You could do the opposite; run certain programs (Outlook, IE,
           etc.) with fewer privileges.  Search for "DropMyRights".
2005/3/23-24 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:36829 Activity:kinda low
3/23    I don't get this. How can you go to jail by playing chess? CHESS???
        Fine there's a stupid international saction but it's just a game.
        \_ didnt he burn his correspondence from the state dept. on tv
        \_ "The American exile angered many of his fellow countrymen when he
           went on Philippine radio on 11 September 2001, applauding the
           attacks on the US on that day and launching into an anti-Semitic
           \_ he was exiled many years BEFORE 9/11
        \_ At the time, it was a fairly big deal.  Now-a-days I would
           expect them to be happy with just getting rid of the wack-job,
           but I guess he probably injured some big-wigs pride. -jrleek
        \_ He violated sanctions on Yugoslavia by going there and accepting a
           prize for the competition.  Chess wasn't illegal, so desist with the
           red herring.  -emarkp
           \_ woooo... that's sooo scary. He went there to play a tourney...
              wow. He's as evil as Martha Stewart.
              \_ The investor who put up the purse intentionally chose
                 Yugoslavia as the venue to thumb his nose at the sancations.
                 Yugoslavia as the venue to thumb his nose at the sanctions.
                 You don't agree with sanctions?  Fine. -emarkp
                 \_ I think it's not a question of whether we agree or not
                    with the sanctions. People should be free to go wherever
                    they please, maybe they even don't agree with the sanctions.
                    Why should the government stop them?
                    \_ Umm... look up sanction in the dictionary.
2005/3/23-24 [Industry/Jobs, Computer/SW, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:36830 Activity:nil 66%like:37457
3/23    We need a(nother) "Senior Web Applications Engineer" here at AvantGo.
        Job descr and contact info in /csua/pub/jobs/AvantGo  --dbushong
2005/3/23-24 [Computer/Companies/Yahoo] UID:36831 Activity:nil
3/23    Has anyone else noticed that rapidly loading yahoo mail messages into
        separate tabs results in some messages not being displayed (the initial
        welcome screen shows instead)? This didn't used to happen for me, and
        I find it very irritating.
2005/3/23-24 [Reference/Military] UID:36832 Activity:moderate
3/23    "I've challenged our human resource people to get as innovative as
        they can. ... " One of those is designed to persuade more parents to
        steer their children to the Army. "We're going to appeal to
        patriotism," [Secretary of the Army Francis J. Harvey] said.
        \_ What is wrong w/ wanting people to serve in the armed
           \_ Nothing is wrong with wanting people to serve in the armed
              forces.  Nonetheless, the decision to serve must remain a
              choice that is not subject to undue duress applied by third
              parties.  Thus, it gives me pause to see efforts designed to
              encourage *parents* to push their children toward the military.
              -dans (!OP)
              \_ When I asked about (college) ROTC before graduating HS, I
                 got an unsolicited note in the mail from a marines recruiter
                 saying something like "Dear Mr. & Mrs. Salomon (not my mom's
                 last name, and she is/was single) I am visiting you on xyz
                 date to discuss your son's joining hte Marine Corps."  -John
                 date to discuss your son's joining the Marine Corps."  -John
2005/3/23-24 [Recreation/Dating] UID:36833 Activity:moderate
3/23    Are there any basic expression between "I like you" and "I love you"
        other than the Dumb and Dumber line "I like you a lot".
        \_ I'll suck but I won't swallow
           \_ Hard to say this to a woman if you're a man.
        \_ "I'm very fond of you".  "I adore you".  "You really mean a lot
            to me".  "I care very much for you".  "I'm really glad we're
            friends". Or even, "I love you dearly", which, oddly, means
            less than just "I love you". --Cyrano
            \- You brain/body has been classified as: loveworthy.
            \_ Most of these sound really icky.  Like cringe-worthy icky.
               \_ Do you know who Cyrano is?  Read a book once in a while.
                  \_ Isn't he the guy with the schnoz who came up with "hey
                     baby, nice cans"?  -John
        \_ "I'm full of like for you."
        \_ Let's fuck.
           \_ You forgot: "Nice shoes"
              \_ That's ``Nice boots''
                 \_ That's "Nice boobs".
        \_ I propose "I loke you" -- Loke is defined as a noun, but I don't
           think there is a verb yet ... Other languages have sayings for
           something more than like but less than love ... Why not loke
        \_ Dont start sentence with "I ..." Talk about her instead. You...
           or honey...
           \_ ya, that's all good and nice too, but was looking for an "I"
              statement to balance all the "Nice tits, wanna fuck" statements.
              \_ I want to slip you the hot beef injection, I want to play
                 'hide the salami' with you, you're a Cal student, take it
                 from there.  Display some goddamm adaptability, son.
2005/3/23-24 [Computer/HW/Laptop, Computer/HW/Display] UID:36834 Activity:kinda low
3/23    Besides dealcoupon and slickdeals what are the good sites to get a
        19" Dell LCD?
        \_ Buy Mac, support DNC. Buy Dell, support RNC (1/2 million of it).
           \_ That's just about the dumbest thing I've read all day.
              \_ why? The pp boycotts Dell the same reason he/she boycotts
                 Wal-Mart. It's just personal choice based on principle.
                 Whether the boycott is effective or not is a different issue.
2005/3/23-24 [Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:36835 Activity:nil
3/23    We paid $200000+ to help that piece of shit?
        \_ Well, he was the defendent, and he did run out of money after a
           while, apparently.
        \_ It produced more than $200K worth of tax and "entertainment" for
           the state...
2005/3/23-24 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:36836 Activity:moderate
3/23    I am running NAT. My smtp server (on the other side) refuses to allow
        connections from anywhere but my own domain. I am mapping my
        internal IPs to external IPs. Is there something I need to do to
        the sendmail client to prevent "550 5.7.1 Access denied"? The
        server seems to disconnect me because it sees the original
        headers. Do they need to be rewritten?
        \_ What smtp server?
           \_ Dunno. I am not the admin. I assume sendmail, but maybe not.
        \_ your question is not clear.  the smtp server is on the public
           network and you are connecting from behind nat?  if the server
           is checking tcp/ip addressing, it will see the address of
           the NAT device's WAN interface.  otherwise, it will see the
           HELO name provided by your sending agent, which perhaps also
           has to match your domain?  the internall addressing on your
           LAN should have no impact, unless you are trying to configure
           the sending agent's self-identity in a perverse way. what
           happens if you telnet to the server's smtp port?  are you
           dropped immediately or only after issuing a HELO/EHLO command?
           \_ Correct. I am not dropped immediately. I can connect and
              issue a HELO with no problems.
              \_ then what are you asking again?  can you manually
                 send a message via telnet?  can you get a trace of the
                 failing sessions?  what is different between the two?
                 I punted and use "msmtp" to deliver messages via my
                 authenticated SMTP server.
2005/3/23-24 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:36837 Activity:high
3/23    Modern Conservatism has truly become the party of Big Government.
        Now Jeb Bush wants to "take custody" of Terri Shiavo, away from
        her husband and away from her family. How can anyone who calls
        themself a Conservative really be in favor of this kind of thing?
        \_ I don't think that they do.  The polls I saw had 58% of self
           described conservatives opposing the federal intervention.
           This is a direct consequence of the religious right hijacking the
           Republican party.
        \_ "When a case like this has been heard by 19 judges in six courts
           and it's been appealed to the Supreme Court three times, the
           process has worked - even if it hasn't given the result that the
           social conservatives want. For Congress to step in really is a
           violation of federalism."
           -(Conservative) Hoover Institute member
           "This senator has learned from many years you've got to separate
           your own emotions from the duty to support the Constitution of this
           country. These are fundamental principles of federalism."
           -Sen. John Warner (GOP), Virginia
           \_ Now it's around 32 different judges
              \_ every one of them is a tyrant!
                 \_ You misspelled "activist"
           \_ None of the judges other than Greer have ever looked at the
              findings of fact.  That's why they're trying to have his findings
              of fact reviewed 'de novo'
              \_ The standard for appeal is that findings of facts by
                 the trial ct are accepted as true unless there is a
                 showing of abuse.  There was no showing of abuse in
                 this case b/c Greer did nothing wrong.
                 While a de novo review may turn up something different,
                 this is unlikely. Absent some huge new revelation, the
                 facts found by the dist ct judge will be roughly the
                 same and if he applies state substantive law the tube
                 will stay out. Unless she finds some fed statute to
                 sue under (maybe disabled persons), she is SOL.
        \_ Personally I hope the USSC takes this case and lays down the
           law. Under Art. 3 congress cannot create subject matter jx
           over a particular state law claim in favor of a single citizen.
           What congress did was ridiculous and I hope that many of them
           lose their jobs over it and are replaced by true conservatives.
           \_ Please quote the section ofArticle 3 you are referring to.
           \_ Please quote the section of Article 3 you are referring to.
              \_ Art 3 Sec 2.
                 The original jx of the fed cts is limited to admiralty,
                 international disputes, federal question (arising under
                 the constitution/fed statues), or diversity (btwn two
                 or more states, citizens of different states, citizens
                 of the same state claims lands under grants of different
                 states, btwn a states/citizen of a state and a foreign
                 Congress cannot create more jx for the fed cts than
                 the constitution provides w/o an amendment. In the
                 Schiavo case, congress has created jx for the Dist
                 Ct in the Middle District of FL to hear a suit on
                 behalf of Schavio for violations of her rights arising
                 under the constitution.
                 While one might argue that providing a specific dist
                 ct w/ jx over constitutional claims is still w/in Art
                 3 Sec 2, what congress is really doing is creating
                 jx for a fed ct to hear claims that are already
                 subject to res judicata under state law. This is not
           \_ The SC will refuse to hear the case and send it back down with
              no comment. This is modis operadi. Shiavo will die and social
              conservatives will have a new face for an old issue to play
              with next election. Ooooo. Shiny.
              \_ I'm hoping the USSC has a vested interest in telling
                 congress that they can't overstep their bounds.
2005/3/23-24 [Uncategorized] UID:36838 Activity:low
3/26    Can LCDs be transparent, without the back whitelight? I'm asking
        because I think it would be REALLY cool if you can layer one
        transparent LCD after another. And if would be cool if there is
        an eye focus webcam that can track your eyes and make whatever
        layer you're looking at brighter than the other LCDs. Someday...
        \_ try google Organic LED (OLED)
        \_ Wouldn't it be even better if it can bring the layer you're looking
           at to the front instead of just making it brighter?  Oh wait, it
           already exists.  It's called windowing GUI, and it requires one LCD.
2005/3/23-24 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc, Computer/SW/Security, Transportation/Car/Hybrid] UID:36839 Activity:nil 50%like:36690
3/23    Now you can RIDE ELECTRIC BIKE! (gizmodo)
        \_ Electric bikes are not new.  -tom
2005/3/23-24 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:36840 Activity:low
3/23    My my...
        CBS News. 3/21-22. MoE 4%. (February results)

        Congress Job Approval
                Approve 34 (41)
                Disapprove 49 (44)
        Bush Approval Ratings
                Approve 43 (49)
        Should Congress and the President be involved in the Schiavo matter?
                Yes 13
                No 82
        \_ Does anyone care about Bush's approval ratings now? Bush won't be
           running again.
           \_ I just think it's amusing that he is likely the least popular
              second-term president in the history of the Union. -op
        \_ So? PEople hate him but he's still your president.
           \_ It's more like, "We told him Iraq should be our #1 priority,
              so wtf is he doing spending his 'political capital' trying to
              cut our social security?"
2005/3/23-24 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:36841 Activity:nil 60%like:36408 60%like:39828
3/23    Firefox 1.0.2 is out, mostly security fixes:
        \_ Gee, I just installed 1.0.1 three days ago.
        \_ Is it becoming another IE which needs constant patching?
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