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2006/5/2-4 [Uncategorized] UID:42885 Activity:nil
5/1     dans vs. tom, round 2. Round 1 winner = tom.
        \_ Two nerds enter.  One twink leaves.
        \_ I think I would award yesterday's bout to dans.  I think that
           makes the running tally something like tom: 3 dans: 1
           \_ Well, it helps not being a ranting, stubborn, lunatic.
           \_ Well, being a ranting, stubborn lunatic doesn't help.
           \_ You need to do an opinionated analysis to say something
              like this. I gave tom 1 point not because of his brilliance,
              but because of his restraint to lash out at dans who acted
              immaturely, similar to how a younger version of tom would
              have acted a decade ago. -op
              \_ Hmmm... I was giving dans the point because I thought he
                 actually sounded somewhat rational this time.  tom just
                 stuck with his weak "you're an idiot" type responses.
                 \_ good point. -op
                    \- "The only winning move is not to play."
2006/5/2-4 [Recreation/Computer/Games] UID:42886 Activity:nil Cat_by:auto
5/1     http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2139555376132383479&pl=true
        Super Mario Bro on stage
2006/5/2-3 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:42887 Activity:nil
5/1     What causes lockd to get stuck?
        \_ Bugs in the Linux kernel, or maybe incompatibilies with the
           FreeBSD NFS server on keg.  This was not the same problem we
           were having before, which was a bug in Linux 2.6.16; that one
           hasn't come back since we downgraded to 2.6.15.  --mconst
           \_ Wouldn't a 2.4 series kernel like the one in RHEL3 be
              more stable?
2006/5/2-4 [Uncategorized] UID:42888 Activity:nil
5/2     quota doesn't seem to be working.
2006/5/2-4 [Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:42889 Activity:nil
5/2     So, did the "Day without an Immigrant" have any effect?  If it
                                   ^\_ illegal
                                       \- http://csua.org/u/fos --psb
        hadn't been on the news, I never would've noticed.  Maybe in LA?
        Anyone know?
        \- i think the point was to get on the news and in the motd.
        \_ yes. i realized i can do my own landscaping myself..
        \_ yes. Traffic was awsome. 405 in S Cal yesterday was nice and
           clear and moving at a whopping 40MPH when it would have moved
           at 4MPH on a normal day, 24x7. I wish people would protest more.
           \_ Less BEANER vehicles means less breakdowns in the middle
              of the lane, which means less traffic jam. It was quite a
              drive not seeing a single gardener driving at 50MPH on
              the left lane or getting stuck on the shoulder. The protest
              convinced me that less BEANER==better quality of life. -racist
           \_ Traffic going into/out of SF was similarly clear.
        \_ the food service place that my company provides lunch through
           was very understaffed and way behind schedule. - nyc sodan
        \_ what I found very funny is that Latinos/Mexicans think this is
           a sort of threat.  *AND* they think they will be the main
           beneficaries of the reform.  I have a feeling that if US ever
           relax the immigration rule, it's the Asians who will flood the
           gate.
2006/5/2-3 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:42890 Activity:nil
5/2     Is any one else getting these BlueFrog/BlueSecurity spam emails?
        \_ yes. also getting much larger spam. is the spam filter back
        \_ yes. also getting much more spam. is the spam filter back
           on yet? root? anyone?
2006/5/2-4 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:42891 Activity:nil
5/2     How would I setup soda to send a bounce message to anybody mailing
        me here saying "This email address is retired/ignored due to spam"?
        \_ I have set it up on soda before, but now totally forgot the steps
           I think it was done with procmail
           \_ I think the usual way to do this is to use /usr/bin/vacation
              to send a reply to anyone who emails you, and to use procmail
              to delete incoming email. (Depending on soda's mail config, you
              may need to use procmail to run vacation anyway.) -gm
              \_ This definitely used to be the standard way.  If you do this
                 now, though, whenever someone sends spam to your account with
                 a From address of some innocent third party, you'll end up
                 sending your replies to them.  A better way is to have root
                 put an entry for your account in /etc/mail/access, with a
                 custom bounce message -- this way, instead of accepting the
                 mail, saving it to disk, and then trying to figure out who to
                 send a reply to, we reject the mail (with your custom message)
                 during the SMTP exchange.  This also reduces the load on soda,
                 because it means we don't have to process all your incoming
                 spam or your auto-replies to it.  Mail root and we can set
                 this up for you.  --mconst
                 \_ can you leave a pointer to a sample of this?
                    \_ Do you mean a sample of what the bounce message will
                       look like?  It's generated by the *sender's* system,
                       not soda, so it'll look a little different for everyone.
                       I've put an example in /csua/tmp/bounce-sample, showing
                       what it looks like from the OCF; you can try sending
                       mail to kislyuk@soda (or any other disabled account) to
                       see what it looks like from other systems.  You get to
                       customize the part where it says "Account disabled until
                       you fix your mail loop".  --mconst
                       \_ I meant an example of the implemetnation.
                          \_ Oh, sorry -- I just noticed /etc/mail/access
                             wasn't world-readable.  I've fixed it.  Anyway,
                             all you need is a line like this:
                               To:user@  This account is disabled.
                             Make sure you have FEATURE(`blacklist_recipients')
                             in /etc/mail/sendmail.mc.  --mconst
2006/5/2-5 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:42892 Activity:nil
5/2     Okay, I think I get it now.  If I want password-less login to
        soda, then I need to do the whole generating the public and private
        keys which requires a pass phrase, if I can put up with entering
        my unix password every time in SSH or PUTTY, then I don't need
        to do the whole ssh-keygen stuff.  Is it correct?
        \_ Yes.  But if you go password-less, then if soda is compromised
           again, you won't need to change your unix password.
           \_ why is that?  if soda is compromised then they have access
              to the unix password too.
              \_ Not if you didn't type it in while soda was compromised. -tom
                 \_ Unless it was cracked, which basically depends only on
                    how motivated the attacker is. -gm
                    \_ This is why a couple of soda users choose not to have
                       passwords at all -- they have "*" for their password
                       in /etc/shadow, so ssh keys are the only way they can
                       log in.  For those users, an attacker who gets soda's
                       password file won't have anything to crack.  --mconst
                        \_ how do you put * in /etc/shadow?  I can't even
                           view it?  so if I don't want to use unix password,
                           I need to ssh-keygen on my client server, then copy
                           the generated public key to soda under .ssh/ folder?
                           I should not copy my private key on soda though, right?
                           \_ Unfortunately, it's not possible for you to do
                              this yourself.  If you really want to have no
                              password, mail root and we can remove it for
                              you -- but before you do that, you might want
                              to try just setting your password to something
                              random and not using it for a while.  This will
                              give you a chance to get used to ssh keys and
                              see how you like them, and if anything goes
                              wrong with your ssh keys, you'll be able to log
                              in with your password and fix them.  And yes,
                              your ssh-keygen stuff is exactly right.  You
                              didn't mention this, but when you put the public
                              key on soda, you need to put it in a file named
                              .ssh/authorized_keys.  --mconst
                                \_ thank you bery much! this helped alot in clearing
                                   out my confusions.
        \_ I was told because of the comprise, my ssh private key may be
           stolen as well, but how is that possible?  I thought the ssh
           private key is on the client host, not on the server host (i.e.
           http://csua.berkeley.edu)?
           \_ Some people put their private keys on soda (with a passphrase,
              I would hope). If you did, then both your private key and your
              passphrase may have been stolen. If you didn't store your private
              key on soda, you should be fine. -gm
              \_ they put their private keys on soda, is it because they want
                 to use soda as a client to a different server?
                 \_ Exactly.
              \_ the private key would be under .ssh/ right?
2006/5/2-5 [Politics/Domestic, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:42893 Activity:nil
5/2     ojuang: don't bust up the massage parlor if you think you got robbed:
        http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/CityandRegion/2006/05/02/1559957-sun.html
        \_ oj, are you interested in anything except money, porn and technology
           \_ And how exactly does this differentiate oj from the majority of
              sodans, exactly?
              \_ Some people here care about say politics or research.
2006/5/2-3 [Transportation/Bicycle] UID:42894 Activity:nil
5/2     My brand new Raleigh C200 bicycle is getting banged a lot and
        I'm wondering if it's a good/bad idea to wrap it with some
        foam type of protector?
        \_ if you don't mind keeping it looking nice by making it look ugly.
            -tom
2006/5/2-3 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:42895 Activity:low
5/2     How come home owner association costs are so high for new
        developments? And what is the point of providing private
        parks/BBQ area... why don't people use government funded
        public parks?
        \_ Public park is great when surrounding neighborhoods are
           more or less social-economically homogeneous. However there has
           been an increasing wealth gap in the past 3-4 decades creating
           more wealth and more crime at the same time. Wealthy conservatives
           sure don't like to BBQ at parks where poor and smelly
           socialists hang out, so they prefer to spend a bit more HOA to
           create their private little world to hang out. Just look
           at Orange County as the poster child example. People there are
           wealthy, ultra Republican, and live in nice gated communities
           with nice private parks, heated pools, gym, and other amenities.
        \_ Public parks are so 70s, not to mention that it is socialistic
           and evil. After the Reagan era, conservatism became popular.
           Ronald Reagan preached "self reliance", which translated to
           less tax and less public services. In another word, you are
           responsible for your own well beings and no one else. Any form
           of public service like welfare, social security, and even public
           parks are considered fat that need to be cut. So blame not your
           HOA that need to make up for a lack of public services your
           government stopped providing 20 years ago, but the people who
           love themselves too much -- the conservatives
                \- are public grazing lands and public water sold at
                   submkt costs to business interests also socialistic?
                   \_ Your brain has been classified as: you think you're
                      witty but in reality, microscopic.
                      \_ This would make a great sentence correction
                         correction on any standardized test.  Restate in
                         a non-nonsensical manner please.  -John
           \_ You are making me cry.
              \_ Why? Is it 1) You are a conservative and you think everyone
                 is dillusional except you or 2) You are a liberal and you
                 think the truth hurts?
        \_ so that the local government officials can give themselves
        bigger bonuses from saving the cost of developing public parks.
        \_ so that you can feel rich,exclusive,elitist,happy ... from
           a city planning perspective i think it is disgusting ... its
           a de facto privatization of public space ... further
           increasing disparaties in our society
                \_ Wha? If the HMA owns the space, how is it "privatizing
                   public space" in any way shape or form?
                   \_ ignore rory's rant. he's yet another left wing
                      socialist. evil.
                      \_ wow, I've been id'ed by your lame motd-tracking
                         script. i'm honored. i'm not a socialist i just
                         hate libertarians. so what is confusing about my
                         stmt? the more property you put behind a gate
                         the less public property exists, the gov't "saves
                         money" by spending less on public works, but now
                         people have to be able to afford to live in gated
                         communities to enjoy what once was avail to all.
                         \_ What part of "Welfare is a waste of my money"
                            don't you understand?
                            \_ what part of "human rights" does your Howard
                               Roarke-worshipping ass not understand
                               \_ What part of "If you don't like America,
                                  go back to Europe" don't you understand?
                   \_ read reagan post above.
        \_ because a developer can't just go in and build next to a public
           park.  "Parks spaces" = higher property values = more profits for
           developers.  Cities take forever to make new parks -- it takes money
           they dont often have. So what's the developer to do?   Make their
           own park, and make the HOA pay for it!  Few people pay attention
           to the HOA costs when making home buying decisions -- its all
           about the cost of the home.  Pure developer genius,  pure capitalist
           evil.    -ERic  (and yes I own a home in a HOA with 'park' spaces',
           however my community is also surrounded by park, go figure)
           \_ Ummm "Open Space Laws?"  In general I'm fairly sure that 5
              more houses would generate more money than a park of the
              same size.  I could be wrong though. -jrleek
2006/5/2-5 [Computer/Networking] UID:42896 Activity:nil
5/2     What do people pay for basic cable?  My comcast bill for just
        basic seems to be about $53/mo.  That seems really high, doesnt it!
        \_ Perhaps you didn't pay attention to the trend in the past decade.
           As with everything else, cable television became highly deregulated
           and started to become highly monopolized. Cable companies today
           have so much clout in the capital as well as local districts that
           you see silly laws passed such as those that prohibit dish
           owners to have access to both the local dish and local cable
           channels. Why is the price so high and the cable company so
           profitable? Look into government deregulation and a lack of
           auditing. Welcome to Corporate America.
        \_ Yes.  Why get cable at all?  It's just worthless sludge anyway.
           I got free cable once, and it was so boring/stupid I never
           watched it. -jrleek
           \_ Cable is a lot cheaper than a babysitter.
        \_ you must have basic digital cable.
          \_ For a while we were paying $18/mo for 'analog' cable, but that was
             a 'please dont cancel' deal they offered when we threatened to
             cancel.  Dropped it when they moved scifi into the
             'enhanced' cable channel range.  By then it was paying monthly
             fees for basically broadcast channelsi, which is stupid. -ERic
          \_ I have basic analog cable and I get sci fi, as does my Mom. Seems
             different basic cable lineup in different areas. But ya mostly have it
             just to get comedy central and sci fi channel.
2006/5/2-5 [Science/Space, Computer/SW/Editors/IDE] UID:42897 Activity:nil
5/2     any eclipse users on soda? anyone know where I can find something
        like an icon legend? i'm learning eclipse. it seems great, but
        there are 50,000 icons sprinkled everywhere that are hard to get
        accustomed to. thanks.
2006/5/2-3 [Uncategorized] UID:42898 Activity:nil
5/2     I tried to make a deposit at the ATM and made a 1 digit mistake
        and the machine thinks I'm depositing X even though I'm really
        depositing Y. Will the correction be made somehow, and will I
        get penalized for the mistake?
        \_ They'll correct the error.  My bank charges me $5 if I make an
           incorrect deposit at another bank's ATM, but not if I do it at
           their own ATMs.
        \_ depends on your bank.  Yes, they will correct it.
        \_ Whatever else you do, do not attempt to spend any erroneous
           and illusory windfall you may think you've gained. They will
           correct, and they will want their money back.
        \_ Yeah, I made this mistake at my bank a while back.  They
           corrected it and didn't charge anything.  I didn't even realize
           the mistake until they corrected it.  (I think it my case I had
           inputted too little.  Desposited $500 but inputted $50 or
           something.)
2006/5/2 [Uncategorized] UID:42899 Activity:nil 50%like:42904
5/2     my company's first mention:
        http://money.cnn.com/2006/05/01/technology
        cable_placement_fortune/index.htm
2006/5/2-4 [Recreation/Music] UID:42900 Activity:nil
5/2     Great article on why current music sucks.  Short answer: too much
        dynamic range compression.
        http://csua.org/u/fp1 (Stylus Magazine)
        \_ It's a great article on why your current music sucks.  My current
           music is just fine.
        \_ i thought it's has more to do with consolidation of radio stations
           :p
        \_ Recently I listened to some CDs with high end headphones and so
           much of it sounded like distortion.  Ugh.
2006/5/2-4 [Uncategorized] UID:42901 Activity:nil
5/2     What are the cons of living in the UC Village?
        \_ Either really ghetto living (former army-type housing)
           or über-expensive for what it is new accomodations
        \_ You lose your soul.
        \_ I guess by definition all of the hot MILFs at UCB live
           in the UC Village.
2006/5/2-4 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:42902 Activity:nil
5/2     http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/02/hurricane.plan.ap
        Nagin to ship off and hand off problems to other people should
        Katrina happens again.
2006/5/2-4 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/Military] UID:42903 Activity:nil
5/2     The Republicans have a secret weapon to win the 08 Election--
        the capture of OSL. This is my 06 prediction.   -Lefty Swami
        \_ Who the fuck is OSL?  Do you mean OBL or UBL?
           \_ Artifact of translating Arabic names into English.
              Unless you are talking about the ODB.
        \_ They don't need a secret weapon.  Their not-so-secret-weapon
           is "Iran will nuke you unless you vote Republican" - danh
        \_ Why didn't they bring him out in '04, then?
          \_ they didn't need it then.
             \_ So, you think they've had OSL in custody this whole time,
                and are just keeping it a secret?  Whatever, conspiracy
                boy.  Are they also going to destroy education this year?
        \_ I really thought they might pull this in '04, but I'm increasingly
           convinced that these people couldn't run a conspiracy in a
           kindergarten.
2006/5/2-5 [Uncategorized] UID:42904 Activity:nil 50%like:42899
5/2     my company's first mention:
        http://money.cnn.com/2006/05/01/technology/cable_placement_fortune/index.htm
2006/5/2-5 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:42905 Activity:nil
5/2     2/3 of Americans aged 18 to 24 cannot find Iraq on a map:
        http://www.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/05/02/geog.test
        \_ This is not as important as the fact that most of the ignorant
           18-24 year olds today are far more conservative than those in
           the 60s-70s which is good news for the GOP for decades to come.
           \_ I don't think they are "conservative."  There are people who are
              conservatives.  But there are those just follow whatever
              Bush says.  I think majority of these people belongs to the
              latter.
        \_ In other news 2/3 of Americans aged 18 to 24 have more sex than you.
           \_ In other news 2/3 of Europeans probably have more sex than you
              and could identify Iraq on a map.
              \_ If i bought you a plane ticket there, would you leave and
                 never come back?
                 \_ "...because we like 'murrica LOUD and STUPID"
              \_ Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
              \_ that's because they're all unemployed
        \_ how about 75% of people think English is the most common native
           language in the world?  1/3 can't find Louisiana?  14% believe
           speaking another laugnage is a necessary skill?
           \_ Go look up "necessary" in the dictionary.  It isn't.
           \_ English is probably the second most common... and why the
              focus on "native"? English is still the most important
              international language. Maybe that will change. But then
              maybe it won't. How many Iraqis or Chinese can identify
              Louisiana? Or El Salvador? And how would this skill affect
              them anyway?
              \_ gee, the Iraqis don't seem to be spending an enormous
                 portion of their federal budget on invading Louisiana.  -tom
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