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| 2005/12/12-14 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:40965 Activity:low |
12/11 Ok, I give: how do I use new soda for outgoing SMTP? I'll start us off
with a guess:
http://soda.csua.berkeley.edu:465, with SSL turned on
\_ This doesn't work. I've tried.
\_ Please specify the RFC that would suggest to you that soda would
talk SMTP on 465. Also, why are you using soda as outgoing SMTP
server for anything that's NOT soda?
\_ Are you stupid or just stupid?
\_ Yeah, I'm stupid, I can't figure out why'd he expect SMTP
on the URD port. The fact that it improperly worked before
is not an excuse. Nor can I figure out why he'd _need_ to
relay through soda.
\_ how about port 587?
\_ Is an alumnus posting this?
\_ This better not be one of the new students
\_ yes.
\_ Any port in a storm! |
| 2005/12/12-14 [Reference/BayArea] UID:40966 Activity:nil |
12/12 12:12
\_ It's now 1:01 1/1/11111 in the Antoxyphon calendar.
\_ Your search - Antoxyphon - did not match any documents. |
| 2005/12/12-14 [Science/Electric] UID:40967 Activity:nil |
12/12 New AC Transit Line 800 Transbay All Nighter:
http://www.actransit.org/riderinfo/schedules/800.html |
| 2005/12/12-14 [Reference/Religion] UID:40968 Activity:high 80%like:41006 |
12/11 Ok, I got a kick out of this. Potter and Aslan:
http://www.shortpacked.com
(for the logs: )
http://www.shortpacked.com/comics/20051212sticks.png
\_ heh, nice. Thanks for posting. -mice
\_ You = dumb
\_ I thought it was funny. -emarkp
\_ http://www.robandelliot.cycomics.com/archive.php?id=180
\_ the really jacked up part is that local Christian group
here in Taiwan is boycotting Harry Potter for this reason,
they are arguing that film like this (and Lord of the Ring)
promote evil.
\_ Hmm ... I haven't heard of any Christian organization
opposing Lord of the Rings. This is probably because
Tolkien is a good friend of C.S. Lewis who wrote "Mere
Christianity", the Narnia books, and many others.
\_ Tolkien wasn't just a friend of Lewis, he was a very
devoted catholic himself.
devot catholic himself.
\- i may have put this on the motd before, but here it is
again. the first paragraph is pretty funny. --psb
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v23/n22/turn03_.html |
| 2005/12/12-14 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:40969 Activity:kinda low |
12/11 Still no press about a reporter denied entry to Syria because he's a
Jew. http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47806
\_ Frankly, I don't see why a Jew would want to enter Syria. Is
there some hot story in Syria worth your life?
\_ Isn't WND part of the press?
\_ Not according to much of the motd.
\_ Don't you think El Al has different standards for non-Jews
and deny them boarding now and then? I am not saying this
is a good thing but it reflects the state of the world we
are in in and doesn't seem exactly shocking or comparable to
the Daniel Pearl incident.
\_ I find this comment bizarre. I doubt El Al has different
standards for non-Jews. If you can prove it, I'd like to see
it.
\_ No idea what El Al's policies are, but El Al isn't a nation,
a reporter isn't a random passenger, and a plane isn't a
country. Other than that, El Al and Syria might be roughly
comparable.
\- a significant part of el al is owned by the nation of
israel. and i imagine this was even at a higher level
in the past, and i assume they tightly work with the
israeli govt. --psb
\- from Yahoo finance: --psb
The company was originally government-controlled,
but it is now 40% owned by Knafaim-Arkia
Holdings, which has an option to buy an
additional 12% by 2007. The Israeli government
has retained ownership of about 30%.
According to the israel ministry of foreign affairs,
as of 2000 it was 100% govt owned ... not sure
when it changed. see: http://csua.org/u/e9r
\_ It seems that El Al was privatized at the end of
2004. http://www.mof.gov.il/beinle/press164.pdf
\_ This doesn't prove anything but here is an anecdote
which seems believable.
http://www.latinastyle.com/currentissue/v10-6/f-facing.html
and some more discussion here (look for El Al)
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0201/20/le.00.html
\_ It seems that El Al was privatized at the end of
2004. http://www.mof.gov.il/beinle/press164.pdf
\- G-UNIT denied entry to CANADA because he is a G-UNIT --psb
http://www.sohh.com/articles/article.php/7986
\_ Dude, Isreal refuses Palestinians entry into Isreal from
Gaza and West Bank all the time. I am sure they deny entry
to Syrians, too, since the two nations are still officially
at a state of war. How could this possibly be news?
\_ Because the OP is one of the "Jews are the center of the
universe" flavor of Jews. Does anybody other than some
Jewish people complain about the term "B.C." and insist on
B.C.E. ? In my experience Asians dont have a problem with B.C.
I'm sure the OP will go nuts about my anti-semitism but let me
say I am Jewish ... I am just talking about a certain flavor of
Jewish person.
\_ What? In my experience there are no Jews or non-Jews who have
a problem with "BC". And what does this have to do with Gaza
or the price of tea in China or what the moon is made of
anyway? Excuse me while I go look up non-sequiter. I hope
I spelled that right. And oh, btw, the humidity was hovering
about 28% today which is 2.4% below historic norms for this
area. |
| 2005/12/12-14 [Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:40970 Activity:nil |
12/12 Arnold doesn't grant Tookie clemency.
Sayonara shotgun stan!
\_ they shouldn't kill him. just give him 40 strokes of good ol'
fashioned singapore style caning, lovingly and tenderly
administered over 5 years at 8 strokes per year. That will do
the man lots of good, and ensure that he will become a brand
new reformed contributing member of society once more.
\_ 40 strokes over 5 years for multiple brutal killing? I might
settle with 40 strokes per day for the rest of his natural life.
\_ no no no. that will kill him the very first day, and let
him off too easily. I sentence you to watch Passion of the
Christ five times straight.
\_ We should let the pro death penalty people get together
and beat him to death with lead pipes!
\_ How about a sawed-off shotgun?
\_ "Any last words Mr. Williams?"
"Ok, ok, I did it! Sheesh!"
\_ Actually he already admitted in court that he did it.
\_ Link? Or are you refering to the "brain damaged" defense?
\_ No Tookie! That's a bad Mr. Tookie!
\_ FREE TOOKIE! LET MY CAT GO FREE!
\_ Governor dumpy. Want tookie. |
| 2005/12/12-14 [Transportation/Car/RoadHogs, Transportation/Car/Hybrid] UID:40971 Activity:nil |
12/12 Hybrid Camry pictures:
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/12/more_photos_of.php |
| 2005/12/12-14 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:40972 Activity:nil |
12/12 Kirk McKusick is organizing a FreeBSD code reading class in Berkeley
this spring:
http://www.bsdforums.org/forums/showthread.php?t=37379
\_ Is this anything like a poetry or bible reading?
\_ Pretty much. |
| 2005/12/12-14 [Science] UID:40973 Activity:nil |
12/12 Anyone reccomend a good site for excel table templates for displaying
scientific data?
\_ Not all scientific data is the same.
\_ If you don't have to use excel I'd recommend R for scientific
computing work: http://www.r-project.org --darin
\_ umm, huh? What are you doing exactly? That would help with a
recommendation. |
| 2005/12/12-14 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast, Science/GlobalWarming] UID:40974 Activity:nil |
12/12 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1920074,00.html "Israel's armed forces have been ordered by Ariel Sharon ... to be ready by the end of March for possible strikes on secret uranium enrichment sites in Iran, military sources have revealed. ... Since Israel destroyed the Osirak nuclear reactor in Iraq in 1981, 'it has been understood that the lesson is, don't have one site, have 50 sites', a White House source said. ... 'If we opt for the military strike,' said a source, 'it must be not less than 100% successful. It will resemble the destruction of the Egyptian air force in three hours in June 1967.'" \_ An Israeli air force attack is the one thing that won't happen. \_ "We'll nuke you if we have to!" \_ They should annex some land while they're at it. That worked out real well for them last time. \_ You do realize why they did that and why it has, in fact, worked out well? Oh wait. This is motd. Nevermind. \_ Gaza worked out well??? \_ Do you realize *why* Israel annexed Gaza? |
| 2005/12/12-14 [Reference/Religion] UID:40975 Activity:nil |
12/12 Members of the Religion of Peace helping to keep the peace. Kudos from
a Christian: http://csua.org/u/e9s |
| 2005/12/12-14 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Reference/Law/Court] UID:40976 Activity:low |
12/12 http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/12/07/WILLIAMS.TMP "The prosecution's case was based on circumstantial evidence and the testimony of witnesses 'whose credibility was highly suspect,' U.S. District Judge Stephen Wilson wrote in 1998." ... while upholding the jury's verdict, because the jury >> appeals judges, unless you find a technical problem in the trial, new evidence, or persuasive evidence the jury was on crack, etc. \_ And? \_ "Four years later, the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals voiced similar qualms, saying the prosecution had relied on witnesses with 'less-than-clean backgrounds and incentives to lie' to win lenient treatment for their own crimes." (also upholding the conviction) \_ And he loves animals and writes children's books, found Jesus on death row and is a 5 time Nobel Peace Prize Nominee! Free Tookie! \_ And at 12:01 he'll meet Jesus. \_ strawman \_ it isn't a strawman. it is mockery. and i fart in your general direction as well! \_ strawman + mockery \_ a strawman is a lame debate method. i'm not debating or attempting to score points by saying you said those things and then knocking them down. i am mocking you. mock, mock, mock! we are the knights who say mock! mock! what a great word! mock! say mock! 10 times, fast. \_ whatever you say ... \_ here's an example of a different yet equally lame debate method. \_ no, it is not a debate method. i am mocking your attempt at mockery. \_ you're attempting but failing. go look up "mock". perhaps if you knew what mockery is you'd be able to do it. thanks for joining us today. \_ It must be strange to take so much joy in the death of another human being. One that did not even do anything to you personally. \_ No it mustn't. Justice is good. \_ Last I checked, eye for an eye is a crappy basis for justice. \_ I can understand a sort of grim satisfaction, but so much overwhelming joy. \_ Well I'm a different poster and I wouldn't call it joy. I think the pp's mocking doesn't necessarily == joy either, he just doesn't care about it enough to not joke. Personally I know very little about this guy but he doesn't seem worth caring about. Their strategy was to turn his case into a political hurdle for the Gov. \_ In fact he loves animals so much that he called the three victims he killed "three oriental pigs". \_ You know, in an abstract way I am opposed to executions, but I don't think there's any reason to get especially incensed about this execution. Becoming a cause celebre should not get you special treatment under the law. \_ I agree. I am not especially incensed, but I am generally pissed off whenever someone is executed and there is some doubt that the guy did it or not. \_ What doubt was that in this case? Have you read anything that doesn't have an agenda? The SF Comical is definitely agenda territory. \_ The idea that the SF Chronicle is a left-wing paper is so completely out of touch with reality and history that there's really no way to respond to it. -tom \_ SF Comical on Tookie: http://csua.org/u/ea4 Not everything in the world fits into your little boxes. \_ I read the DA's summary of events, and I read Ah-nold's 3-5 page statement. 3-5 page statement. I'll give 12 jurors thought it enough to be "beyond a reasonable doubt", but to me there remains doubts. |
| 2005/12/12-14 [Reference/Celebration] UID:40977 Activity:nil |
12/12 Anyone know other christmas songs along the line of ELP
"I believe in Father Christmas ?"
\_ My favorite carol is still "I heard the bells on Christmas day",
words by Longfellow.
\_ it's not like ELP at all but you have to check out "Christmastime
in the LBC" by Snoop Dogg. |
| 2005/12/12-14 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:40978 Activity:nil |
12/12 On the hardware page the SSH rsa and dsa keys are listed as:
RSA - 96:0d:44:65:af:9b:c2:9a:b3:19:6f:28:bc:07:85:e4
DSA - 91:cc:22:95:03:1d:92:3f:a3:4b:1d:5c:0c:44:d6:69
I think these are the keys for coke. Anyway, when I run
ssh-keygen -l on soda (or when I get the keys via keyscan)
I get the following values:
RSA - e1:9c:e5:c7:f9:9f:f3:af:04:ef:df:2d:63:b0:84:4a
DSA - 2a:5f:0c:23:c2:80:dc:ef:d4:ee:bb:4e:a5:80:25:d5
Can someone fix the webpage?
http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/computing/hardware
tia.
\_ Finally did it. - jvarga
\_ Thanks. You rock. |
| 2005/12/12-14 [Health/Disease/General] UID:40979 Activity:nil |
12/12 "Mice Created With Human Brain Cells"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051212/ap_on_sc/mice_human_brains
I've been pro-stem-cell-research, but this I think is going too far.
\_ Um, why? Is it the yuck factor?
|_ Gee, Brain, what are we going to do tonight?
\_ for me it is about taking too many steps towards creating
chimera people. just because we can do something doesn't mean
we should. im very pro-research but there is something about
this beyond the simple yuck factor.
\_ So would you rather we use human subjects for such tests?
\_ Didn't you ever see the Secret of Nimh? Mice are cute!
\_ Err, thank you. -mice |
| 2005/12/12-14 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:40980 Activity:nil |
12/12 U.S. Soldiers bring wheels to Iraqi man without legs
http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/print.php?story_id_key=8328
\_ Yes jblack, the US Army is great, GWB is great, and whining
liberals should shut their mouths. I gotcha.
\_ "We killed 30,000 Iraqis but by giving wheels to one Iraqi man
without legs, we sure feel heck a lot better!" !gwb
\_ Hmmm... I wonder about how practical that is. Is it better for
him than a wheelchair?
\_ Obviously no, but a real customized American wheelchair costs
well over $5000, and the US government can't afford to pay
such an exorbitant price especially when it needs to
finance the War on Terror.
\_ ^War on Terror^tax cuts
\_ I'm glad you think we're paying for the tax cuts
for the rich. I bet you even thought Clinton was
right to intervene in Serbia.
\_ So, don't get a "real customized American wheelchair."
There are much cheaper/easier designs. Since the army
guy build it from scratch, he may have investigated other
designs.
\_ And now this guy has no incentive to better his life!
-libertarian |
| 2005/12/12-14 [Reference/RealEstate, Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity] UID:40981 Activity:high |
12/12 dim, do you advocate living a lot farther to buy a single family
home instead of a condo that is a lot closer?
\_ Tough question. In general, I like the lifestyle a SFR affords.
However, I'd rather have a condo in SF than commute in from
Sacramento every day. There are advantages to both. All else
equal, you are better off with a SFR in most cases. For
investment purposes, small buildings and duplex/triplex
situations are better than either. --dim
\_ Condos are better when you're young and you don't have time to
mow the lawn, adjust the sprinkler, rake leafs, clean up the
garage (which your wife thinks is an unlimited storage space),
plant new flower beds, add manure [or chemical fertilizer],
take out weeds, kill gophers, spray pesticides, etc.
In addition, when you're older and move up to a SFR that real
men live in, you can rent out your condo without worrying
about the condition of the condo as your home owner's association
should take care of things for you. Lastly, home owner's
association dues (HOA) is completely tax deductable as expense
so it's all good.
\_ Jesus, what is wrong with you people? You do realize that you
can hire a gardener to do most/all of that crap, yes? It's
really actually rather common and can work really well at a
fairly modest price. You can find these 'gardeners' in the
yellow pages.
\_ If I ever want to do any of that shit on your list other than
killing gophers, I hope someone has the mercy to kill me.
\- spoken like a young rebellious liberal. One day, you will grow
up and assimilate, and you'll love to do all of the above.
Grow up, get a job, buy a suburbian house, buy a minivan
or SUV, and have kids. Family values, that's the American
way. Like I said, you'll have to do all of the above sooner
or later. Can I kill you now? God Bless.
\_ God Bless? God Bless what?
What exactly is it that god
is supposed to be blessing
here? Do you really believe
in god, or are you just being
'clever'?
\_ Yes, but at least he galloped. When did you?
\_ blah! both options suck. why buy when you can rent worry
free. i'm happy renting my place, i feel perfectly fine
playing PS2, Xbox and having cool LAN parties. what is it
with you old farts. grow down man -young troll, will try harder
\_ SFR have greater demands and lower supply. Old SFR and
orchids and warehouses are constantly being torn down for
\_ That's gotta be the smallest condo ever!
more condo developments. SFR are disappearing while condos
are being built all the time. So, it's not hard to see why
one is better than the other. If you spend just a little
bit of time in traffic, your overall gain in the long run
is much higher. SFR rules.
\_ I'd actually argue that condos are better for older people.
Young people have a lot more energy for all of the above.
\_ Are HOA dues really tax deductible? googling says otherwise,
can anyone say definitively?
\_ If you are renting the place out, you can deduct the HOA
dues from the amount you collect in rent. You cannot
deduct the HOA dues on your primary residence.
\_ Good to know -potential future landlord
\_ Live simply, and spend your extra time doing charity work,
instead of mowing the lawn.
\_ helping thyself is the best charity work. -libertarian
\- how do you, mr libertarian, define charity? do you
define it as "helping yourself" or that just falls
under your defn? --psb
\_ I think you have been had. Libertarians LOVE
\_ I think you have been had. Libertarians like
charity. Charity makes one feel good about oneself
and helps another who may well be gratefull. It is
and helps another who may well be grateful. It is
Govmnt handouts, which are coerced from one person
(how many here feel good when paying their taxes?)
and given to another as entitelments, (which are
less likely to make one feel gratefuly)
less likely to make one feel grateful)
Please note, that I am *not* arguing personally
against social welfare. I am simply stating the
libertarian POV to illustrate that it is more likely
that the above is (mis)characterizing a "libertarian"
not actually speaking as one. -crebbs
\- i dont think i've been had. i think you are being
defensive. saying "chess is my favorite sport"
may make sense if sport to you is at essence about
competition but may not make sense if must involve
something physical. is non-competititive mountain
climbing a sport? similarly, i am trying to figure
out what this fellow considers the "essence" of
charity. shopping on amazon makes me feel good
and helps amazon stockholders. that isnt charity.
i do know a bit about libertarianism and
contractarian philosophy. i am asking a narrow
question to the PP. not making a statement about
social welfare in the large. --psb
\- on i see ... from below it looks like
the "-libertarian" fellow is just mocking
libertarianism. it's hard to tell the mocking
from those who are in earnest ... privatize
from those who are in earnest ... privatatize
fire depts! --psb
\_ right, my point was just that he is mocking
As for the "Fire Depts" comment. All groups
have their irrational fringe elements. It
happens that 3rd party groups, being ipso
facto out of the mainstream, tend to be more
defined by their extremists. That being said
there is a huge difference between someone
Characterizing Libs as radicals, and some
idiot(s) who (regularly) MIS-Characterize
them as mean/cruel/hateful/dimwitted/selfish
hedonistic bastards (not to say that there are
none who are) -crebbs
\- my criticisms of libertarians is not a
philosophical criticism of libertarianism.
i think most libertarians actually dont
care about the philosophy they just like
what it says. this isnt a perfect analogy
but it's like the difference between a
raiders supporter because they are co-
located in oakland and somebody to endorses
the raider image/lifestyle/values and would
stick with them even if moved to Dallas.
i do have separate criticisms of the lib.
philosophy but i also think the it is a
compelling framework that can force
opposing views to answer some tough
questions (as i have said before some
liberals become defensive when confronted
with "dont you feel people know what is
best for themselves" ... when it is phrased
as "do you think poor people are stupid"
and feel obligated to backpedal rather
than say "yes, there are a bunch of cases
where people dont make good decisions"
either for structural reasons [info costs]
or "weak will"). the Randroids are pretty
much the Stalinists of the Libertarians.
are you related to the Krebs cycle people?
them as evil/hateful/dimwitted/selfish
bastards (not to say that there are none
who are) -crebbs
are you invovled with the crebbs cycle? |
| 2005/12/12-14 [Finance/Banking, Recreation/Dating] UID:40982 Activity:kinda low |
12/12 Do you have friends you don't like lending books, DVDs etc to?
Typically because they don't return them in a reasonable amount of
time or if you hint you would like something back they don't pick it
up? I personally feel if I borrow a book from somebody and they want
it back I should at soonest reasonable opportunity deliver it to them
rather than say "oh you can come and get it." How do you handle
turning down future requests?
\_ Just go pick it up that one time, and never lend to them again.
Simply tell them they don't return your stuff on time.
\_ I am having the hardest time get my friend return my books...
\_ I've had to discipline myself to not borrow things from people;
excactly for the reason that sometimes I forget, or it can get
damaged. But yeah, one should return things fast. -John
\_ My problem is that I lend things to people and then forget and never
get them back ever.
\_ My dad used to tell me an old (Arabic?) saying:
If you lend a book to someone, they should chop off an arm.
If you return a lent book, they should chop off both arms.
I guess the point is that people are generally irresponsible
and if you want them to read a book, just buy it for them...
or don't expect it back.
\_ I own a lot of books so people are often interested in borrow
\_ I own a lot of books so people are often interested in borrowing
books from me and it is an asymmetric thing. Normally it would
be a pretty efficient area for inter-friend loans ... books
dont really get worn out, cheap to move, the loan terms are
usually longer than from library, books are often things you
want to use rather than own, you usually can spare the book
for a couple of months. So it kind sad I am thinking about
cracking down on this. It says something about how flakey
most people are ... people who arent willing to promptly
return stuff when you issue a recall, people who forget
the have your books and your are forced to do the recall etc.
(There have been a couple of cases where I have borrowed a book
and the other person moved away and I felt really bad. I think
the other person has forgotten i had the book.)
they have your books and wont ever return them unless you
remember and initiate a recall. (There have been a couple of
cases where I have borrowed a book and the other person moved
away and I felt really bad. I think the other person has
forgotten i had the book.) These days if a flakey friend asks
to borrow something, I just pretend not to hear. On the other
hand I have good friends I have loaned very expensive electronic
and such to.
\_ I have had similar problems, and I'd add that there is another
problem with books and flaky people, which is getting them to
read the damn book. I often loan someone a book that they say
they want to read, and six months later they still haven't
finished it. Well, I actually would like to see them read the
book, but then it turns into another six months...people need
to read more.
book, but then it turns into another six months...the bottom
line is that most people are lazy, flaky, and watch about
24 hours of tv for every hour they spend reading. And that's
just the intelligensia. |
| 2005/12/12-14 [Recreation/Humor] UID:40983 Activity:nil Cat_by:auto |
12/12 The picard song:
http://hjem.wanadoo.dk/~wan13237/darkmateria_the_picard_song.mp3
\_ Holy fucking shit that's awesome. |
| 8/23 |