FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE (MKVII) #0: Fri Dec 17 17:40:05 UTC 2004

Welcome to Macintosh^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HSoda Mark VII,
a dual Xeon 2.8GHz with many hozers.

12/4    Welcome to Soda Mark VII!  Host keys have changed, the system is
        faster, so you can harass the motd faster than ever before.  There is
        probably a LOT of stuff not installed.  Please nicely email root if
        something does not work and we will get to it asap.  Send cake.  Now.
        I hate sendmail.  Sorry, but I think I bounced every email sent to
        @CSUA between 9pm and 2:30am. - jvarga

12/3    Hey root, did someone p0wn soda?  Why'd the host keys change?!  Is
        this a man in the middle attack?  Do we all have to change our
        passwords and keys now?  [Someone had to do it. ;-)]  Thanks jvarga,
        you're the best.
        \_ I stole all your passwords.  hahahahaha.  Or something like that.
           I figure I'll actually field this question: I actually intentionally
           did not keep old-soda's keys.  I'll post the new keys on the website
           when I am a bit more conscious.  For anyone that is interested:
           http://soda.berkeley.edu/computing/hardware/soda-mark-vii.html
           - jvarga

12/3    Read the motd.  Now. - jvarga
        \_ jvarga is my hero! (You were on this till 2:30am?) -jrleek
           \_ No, I was on this til 4:00am and then forced myself to sleep
              because I get up for church at 7:30am.  But at least no one can
              tell me I am dragging my feet on new-soda anymore. - jvarga
        \_ Can you add the new key info to:
           http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/computing/hardware
           Thanks for all your hardwork.
           \_ Soon.  I am dead tired right now and just doing stupid random
              stuff to make myself feel better. - jvarga
              \_ thanks for all the time you've put into this  -sax
                 \_ Yeah, jvarga, you and the rest of root staff that have
                    been working on this rock harder. - ajani`
        \_ I remember in the good old days when Soda machine has to get
           to the point of become unbearably slow before the hardware upgrade.
           Good job, guys.  out of curiousity, what went wrong with the old
           Soda again
        \_ Run soda inside a VM, and then VMOtion it to the other machine
           with 0 downtime!! ;)

12/2    Hope springs eternal! Picard says there might be another
        Star Trek movie:
        http://www.darkhorizons.com/news05/051204c.php
        - star trek moive guy
        \_ This the same Patrick Stewart who said Nemesis was a great film?
           I'm not listening to him anymore.
           \_ After the debacle that was called Enterprise, I'm willing
              to give TNG another shot. -stmg
              \_ Dude, they can _both_ be bad.
              \_ What does Enterprise the TV show have to do with another
                 bad ST:NG movie's quality?
                 \_ I'm having a hard time coming to terms w/ the fact
                    that there hasn't been a good Star Trek show since
                    DS9 ended. I'm also struggling w/ the fact that 1st
                    Contact was the last watchable Star Trek movie. I
                    desperately need an infusion of new Star Trek content
                    (Enterprise failed spectacularly in this regard b/c
                    even SeaQuest was more watchable). -stmg
        \_ After the other ST:NG movies I'll happily stay home and maybe
           catch it on cable a week after it hits the theatres.
           \_ Nemesis was so bad I felt cheated when I downloaded it.  Blarg.
              \_ You too? I thought I was the only one who felt it was
                 a waste of bandwidth. -stmg

12/3    Immigrant families in Germany murdering their daughters for
        ... behaving like Germans.
        http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/04/magazine/04berlin.html
        \_ Good article. --darin
        \_ "Honor killings" have been taking place in countries all over
           Europe--it's disgusting and has gotten people to re-think how
           tolerant they want to be of immigrants who don't assimilate. -John
           \_ Europeans (at least Germans) also need to re-think how their
              own culture erects barriers for immigrants who want to
              acculturate. That, unfortunately, has not been happening.
              \_ Most Europeans never were particularly comfortable with
                 the mass-immigration concept. That's not part of their
                 recent history except a bit of inter-European movement.
                 So now this is forced on them... why do they have to change
                 their culture? And what barriers exactly are you talking
                 about? Punishing honor killings? -foo
                 \_ No, I think he's talking about the fact that, despite
                    most European countries having large-ish immigrant
                    populations, it is actually pretty difficult in a lot of
                    places to assimilate, even for second-generation kids.
                    The "barriers" aren't really conscious, but there have
                    been a lot of studies recently about job discrimination
                    against people with non-European names.  This in no way
                    excuses the honor killings and shit like that, but there
                    was a good E'ist letter to the editor recently by a guy
                    who'd taught in Italy--a group of ethnic Japanese students
                    was referred to only as "the Japanese" by other students,
                    even though they'd all been born in Italy.  True or not,
                    this is pretty typical and explains some of the failure
                    to integrate.  Given that, there's also a _lot_ of un-
                    willingness on the part of a lot of Balkan and Arab/Muslim
                    immigrants to integrate.  -John
                    \_ Well I think it's a pretty natural situation. How would
                       those Italians fare in Japan? Not that Japan would even
                       let large colonies of immigrants set up their own
                       cultural islands the way immigrants do in Europe.
                       Other countries don't work the way America does and
                       that's ok. Japanese in Italy will always stand out
                       until so many immigrants eventually change the face
                       of Europe (already happening). I don't think they
                       should be forced to be perfectly accepting of
                       immigrants. I guess it comes down to the idea of
                       people having a homeland attached to their ethnicity.
                       This traditional notion is simply incompatible with
                       "integration". To me it's common sense. I would not
                       expect to feel like a native Chinese if I moved to
                       some random Chinese town, or if I was one of 3 white
                       kids in a Chinese school, and first generation kids
                       aren't gonna suddenly be Chinese either when they don't
                       have Chinese parents and cultural tradition. I think
                       immigrating is a choice and some of the negative aspects
                       are to be expected. Obviously they should be protected
                       law and tolerance should be taught. You can't force it
                       though without trampling somewhat on the native people's
                       lives. I guess it's also a chicken-and-egg thing... the
                       immigrants would only become "acculturized" after
                       several generations; but natives don't really want to
                       deal with non-acculturized immigrants.
                       \_ The Japanese thing was just an example.  We are
                          talking about substantial groups, like Turks in
                          Germany, Algerians in France, Moroccans in Holland.
                          I think you're imagining large European cities as
                          more ethnically homogenous than they really are.  For
                          example, while it still registers when I see an Asian
                          guy in a Swiss army uniform, it's a common sight and
                          people tend not to notice.  Your points about the
                          cultural islands holds though--although such homo-
                          genous enclaves are perfectly natural, a lot of
                          countries (especially Germany, Holland and France)
                          have been _very_ reluctant to confront the fact that
                          these people are of different cultural backgrounds,
                          parts of which are simply not OK here.  They've now
                          started to face this.  We'll see.  -John
        \_ Immigrants families in US become mass murderers.
           http://tinyurl.com/au5x8

12/3    Send coke?  Maybe the motd.official should say "Say hello to my little
        friend!"

12/3    To the long list of stuff that needs to be done... IMAP SSL seems to
        be dead. -aspo (oh and a sincere thanks to root for the new soda)

12/4    What's a good iPod station that's less than $125 to buy? This is for
        a X-mas gift. Thanks.
        \_ http://www.newegg.com

12/4    What's a good cell phone bluetooth headset to buy?

12/3    Free rootcow!
        \_ Freed.  --mconst
        \_ What does this mean?
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12/3    Oh the irony!
        http://mediamatters.org/items/200512020005
        \_ As always:
           http://ifuckedanncoulterintheasshard.blogspot.com
           \_ What value could the opinion of someone with a URL like that
              possibly have?  If I wanted High School level ideas, I'd go
              visit a High School.
              \_ whereas Ann Coulter is teaching grade 6.
                 \_ doesn't help this other guy any.  if she's that stupid,
                    just ignore her.
              \_ It's not an "opinion," it's just fucking hilarious.  Go get
                 a sense of humor.
                 \_ why would i go to a site with a name like that?  im sure
                    we just have a different idea of whats funny.  do you
                    laugh at "yermom" jokes too?
                 \_ I've read it, and it's not hilarious.  It's just kinda
                    sad.
                 \_ It says more about you than Coulter.  Coulter has serious
                    problems.  The guy who wrote this has worse problems.  A
                    person who read it and found it funny has even worse
                    problems.  Seek help.
                    \_ The last one's bullshit.  You can find humor in it
                       without "needing help."  Twit.
                       \_ Ok, I went and read it.  It was just boring.  There
                          was maybe one half decent line in it but otherwise
                          it was sophomoric trash.  The followup comments on
                          the first page or two were all one liners going
                          off about how brilliant it is but it just isn't.
                          I'm happy to leave it at "your sense of humor is
                          remarkably different than mine".  Ask yourself
                          this: if the same piece were written with different
                          names and reverse political point of view would it
                          still be "fucking hilarious" for you or the other
                          commenters?  I doubt it.
                          \_ Sigh. When you have to explain humor, it's no
                             longer funny. The joke works *because* someone
                             as nonsensically rabidly anti-liberal as Ann
                             Coulter could only be this driven if she had as
                             huge a well of repressed feelings as this satire
                             purports. No, it wouldn't work if it were Michael
                             Moore and some Young Republican because we all
                             know lefties are perverts anyway (that, and the
                             imagery would be terribly unsettling). Yes, the
                             website and its title are puerile, but yes, it's
                             funny.
                             \_ Puerile: yes.  Funny: nope.  It's only funny
                                if you spend more than 10 seconds a year
                                thinking about Ann Coulter and you share a
                                sense of humor with the typical 16 year old.
                                "He said 'puerile', heh heh heh!"  Not funny.
                                Anyway, Ann, Moore, and all the rest are super
                                rabid because it makes them money.  If you
                                seriously believe they're that rabid in real
                                life in private, I've got a bridge for you.

12/2    The Womyn of the Democratic Party Calendar
        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1533214/posts?page=15#15

12/3    Procmail is b0rked
        \_ What exactly does b0rked mean?
        \_ seems to work for me.