Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2004:March:26 Friday <Thursday, Saturday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2004/3/26 [Reference/Religion] UID:12870 Activity:nil
3/26    Palestinians can't even enjoy a swim on the beach without being shot
        by the Jews!  Why can't the Jews share the oceans?  Aren't the oceans
        big enough for all of us?
        \_ Surely there are more interesting things to post than
           run of the mill news...
2004/3/26 [Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:12871 Activity:kinda low 66%like:11465
3/26    What liberal media?
        \_ Right.  That was pathetic.
2004/3/26-27 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:12872 Activity:nil
3/26    I recently installed FireFox for a couple of people in the office.
        Now they're using it so much that they want to remove IE. Is this
        possible with WinXP or does it break like a crapload of things?
        \_ I managed to get rid of IE somehow... I think I went
           into the portion that lets you remove parts of added on
           windows stuff, like MSN explorer and MSN messenger,
           it sucks because now I have to test the "Click back to previous"
           website functionality when someone goes to my company's
           website, which works just fine in Firebird, but apparently
           doesn't in IE, but now I have no way of testing, sucks
           to be me.
           \_ insert cd, add program.
        \_ Isn't the help system for office built on IE?
        \_ Why would you remove it? You still need it for certain things.
           Like e.g. Microsoft's update site. In any case you can just set
           Firefox to be the default. Using Microsoft's "Set Program Access
           and Defaults" you can also disable access to IE.
        \_ I use Mozilla on mac.  There are about 20% or web sites, esp.
           foreign ones, where it does not work well or at all.
           \_ Do you find that it is better than Safari? I use Safari,
              then FireFox, then IE. IE on Mac is slow. Mac needs a decent
              browser that is bug-for-bug compatible w/ IE.
              \_ IE has been EoLed for years on Mac, but there are still sites
                 that it can view but the other 4 (Safari, Mozilla, FF, Camino)
                 can't.  Safari was fast in its beta, but ever since 1.0, it
                 has become intolerably slow while being able to view more and
                 more pages.  I really don't understand what's the issue.
                 FF still needs work, and Mozilla still has certain trivial
                 interface oddities.  Mozilla is the only one I can configure
                 to warn me about sending unencrypted text.  All 5 browser
                 together cannot view some pages viewable by IE on PC.  I have
                 never used Opera and haven't touched Omni browser for ages.
                 An unsolved problem of using so many browsers is the bookmark.
        \_ I'm currently looking at ways to 'sandbox' or otherwise restrict
           IE as massively as possible.  Drop me a mail if interested.  -John
           \_ uh, run traffic through a proxy and drop anything with IE in the
              http headers?
              \_ Simple, pragmatic, doable, easy to get past management in
                 a large company.  I like the way you're thinking.  Try again,
                 young padawan.  -John
                 \_ It's no different that whatever wacky thing you're thinking
                    of.  The end result is the same, IE is blocked or otherwise
                    restricted as massively as possible.  How about you share
                    with all of us nobodies what your fantastic uber Jedi
                    solution is?
                    \_ I don't have one, and my goal is not to block IE
                       but reduce risks inherent from running such a piece
                       of shit (and no, I can't currently get around it) with
                       so much potential for fucking things up.  Disabling IE
                       period is pretty simple--restricting the damage it
                       can do through any number of existing and theoretical
                       vulnerabilities and still being able to use it for
                       things like MSUpdate/SUS is not.  Sorry for not
                       stating the complete problem initially.  -John
                       \_ Not to put a dent on your enthusiasm, I have
                          heard that if you installed the ActiveX plugin
                          for Mozilla/Firebird/Firefox, Mozilla will also
                          be prone to all sort of security issue.
                          Can you or anyone verify that?        kngharv
2004/3/26 [Politics/Domestic] UID:12873 Activity:nil
3/25    Did the liberals take down The Free Republic web site?
        \_ Hmm, and the liberal radio network is launching soon.  Coincidence?
           I think not...
2004/3/26-27 [Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:12874 Activity:nil
3/26    Gibson's passion redeemed a double murderer.  Redeem yourself before
        it's too late.
        \_ You know, evangelizing works so much better when it's subtle and
           implicit, don't you think?  -- ilyas
           \_ There's nothing sutble about putting the fear of God in people.
              \_ I don't think you understand people very well. -- ilyas
           \_ It's easier when it's mandated by the government
2004/3/26-27 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:12875 Activity:nil
3/26    I'm required to have a local phone line by SBC for DSL.  I was
        looking at their web page to find the lowest monthly rate for
        local service (didn't there used to be a metered rate that was
        cheaper than flat?), but of course they're purely focused on
        selling you every bell and whistle, and don't even list basic
        services like that.  Anyone know if this still exists?
        Also, does anyone remember the code to selectively *open* the
        caller id block?  ( has some cool services that would
        be nice to use occasionally, but their identifying you by phone
        # requires you to get through the caller id block...)
        \_ *82 to unblock.  BTW, does onesuite really have no monthly fee,
           or other kind of hideous hidden charges?  Is it a good deal
           whether you make 1, 100, or 0 call in a month?
           \_ Thanks! I've been testing for 3 weeks, with no problems/charges.
              zipdial and rapiddial are really cool - I can call the local
              access # from my cell or home phone, it automatically
              authenticates, and then just 2 digits + # to call my
              frequently called international numbers...  Admittedly,
              their rates aren't as cheap as some of the calling cards,
              but the convenience is worth it to me.  I've had good luck
              with HK and Malaysia, at least. - OP
        \_ I dumped flat rate local service for metered service last year.
           SBC charges $5.60 (or $5.80) per month (before tax). I get
           $3.00 of local calls without additional cost. Since most of my
           calls are not local or on cell phone, this is great for me.
           For comparison, flat rate is $11+/month.
           \_ thanks!  How does $3.00 actually translate to call minutes,
              is it still reasonable for occasional? (with 1000 anytime
              minutes I'll be using cell phone more, but the home phone
              might still get used occasionally...).  Toll-free numbers
              and incoming calls still work as they should, right? (sorry,
              paranoid when it comes to SBC :P )
              \_ Minutes are charged differently depending on time of day and
                 week, etc. Figure 5 cents/minute to be on the safe side.
                 You can check your bill to adjust your habits.
                 Toll-free calls are free. Incoming calls are free.
2004/3/26-27 [Uncategorized] UID:12876 Activity:nil
3/26    Georgia lawmakers definitely need to watch more bad porn...
        \_ yea, like this guy:
           \_ reg req'ed
              \_ whoa, didn't this morning...
2004/3/26 [Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:12877 Activity:nil
3/26    Clarke lied under oath?  Whoopsie! (Yahoo News)
        \_ Frist declares Clarke '"the only common denominator" across 10
           years of terrorist attacks that began with the first attack on
           the World Trade Center.'  Clarke _is_ UBL!
           \_ Lack of gay marriage was another common denominator.  I bet if
              we legalize gay marriage, all the gay terrorists will get
              married and settle down.
              \_ For that matter, Bill Frist was a Senator throughout that
                 period.  Perhaps if we lynch him, the gods will spare the
                 rest of us?
           \_ Jerry Falwell was a preacher during that whole period.  It's
              obvious that his blasphemy caused god to withdraw his protection
              of the US.
2004/3/26-27 [Transportation/Car/RoadHogs] UID:12878 Activity:nil
3/26    Honda Element and Scion.  Ugly or not?  Cool or not?
        \_ live closer to work and walk, jackass.
        \_ I have always said that SUVs were ugly, bugly, and fugly. But
           both Element and Scion take the word ugly to a whole new
           level. No, they're not cool (even for a fad). If you want cool,
           get a MINI. They're much more fun to drive.
           \_ i love my mini... cooper, that is.
           \_ i love my mini.
           \_ Whole new level?  I don't know.  The Aztek is currently
              far and away the ugliest thing on four wheels.
              \_ OH GOD!!! I guess I completely forgot about the Aztec
                 because people just stopped buying them. Yeah, there
                 are no words to describe how ugly the Aztec is.
              \_ I dunno man, the H2 is pretty dang ugly.
              \_ YUGO!
              \_ The Element is all about being practical, while not
                 looking boring.  Pretty much spot on for 30something
                 \_ I thought it catered to the teenagers and young 20
                    somethings.  I've read articles about that.
        \_ I love the Element, and would totally buy it.
           The Scion looks weird, but it is a good deal for what you get.
        \_ Odyssey, baby:
           Or the Vamos:
           And when you're ready to move, there's always the ACTY:
        \_ Order of ugly:
                PT Cruiser
                Scion Xb
                Subaru Baja
           Honda wanted to sell the Element to 20-30 somethings but
           they failed miserably and everyone driving them is over 40.
           Drive one if you think putting around in a plastic
           kleenex box is cool.
2004/3/26 [ERROR, uid:12879, category id '31298#2' has no name! , ] UID:12879 Activity:nil
3/26    I saw PT Cruiser with an all-body Slashdot billboard-style paintjob.
        Anybody know the story there? Normally, I figured that sort of thing
        for VC-funded dot-coms rather than what I assumed was largely a not-for
        profit geek online geek community center.
        \_ aren't there agencies that will pay you if you drive around for a
           certain amount of time or mileage with your car painted like that?
           \_ Hence the weirdness of seeing a car advertising a not-for-profit
              website for geeks. -- !op
              \_ maybe a not-for-profit /. fan?
              \_ not-for-profits are known to advertise from time to time
        \_ When the PT first came out Slashdot had a (VC-funded) contest to win
           a PT Cruiser with a slashdot paint job.
2004/3/26-27 [Uncategorized] UID:12880 Activity:nil
3/26    Is there a way to make IrfanView show the caption/comments
        information on the screen during a slide show?  If not, is there
        a similar freeware program that can do this?
2004/3/26 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:12881 Activity:nil
3/26    Is there a transformation to convert encrypted shadow passwords to
        MD5 hashes? I'm guessing the answer is no...
        \_ you need to decrypt the passwords then hash them.
           \_ I thought those shadowed passwords are one-way hashing, cant
              be decrypted.
              \_ first shadowed hashed, then encrypted it seems
                 first decrypt, but hashed passwords mean nothing
                  because hashing is one-way, you could only match
                  strings at the end of two hashed passwords to see
                  if they are equal.
        \_ If you want to switch to MD5 passwords, you can "enable" MD5
           passwords, and then tell users to change their passwords.
           Both the new MD5 passwords and the old non-MD5 passwords
           will both work during the transition. In Debian
           add  md5  to the line in /etc/pam.d/passwd. I don't know if
           that's what you are trying to do.
2004/3/26-27 [Politics/Domestic/911] UID:12882 Activity:nil
3/26    Stranger than freerepublic being down, the Sept. 11 commission website
        can't figure out its ass from its ... ass.  The published url was  I checked a few days ago.  There was a CNAME
        pointing to had an MX line but
        no A record.  I check again yesterday. is _gone_.
        In its place is (note the missing hyphen).  They
        finally have an A record, but all links on the site point to absolute
        URLs at  Haven't checked it yet today. --scotsman
        \_ It's obviously a BushCo conspiracy to hide the truth!  Not about
           Iraq or WMD or anything, but you know... the *real* truth!
2004/3/26-29 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:12883 Activity:nil
3/26    New traffic map - looks pretty cool...
        \_ Does this work like shit in mozilla for anyone else? Maybe it's just
           because I'm running the beta...
           \_ Works fine for me in Firefox.
              \_ yes, it works for me in firefox too, but i'm talking about
        \_ Works fine for me in Safari (this surprised me!)
2004/3/26-27 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:12884 Activity:nil
3/26    Carter's Man in Managua
2004/3/26-27 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:12885 Activity:nil
3/26    FreeBSD question: all of a sudden (maybe the sysadmin did some kind
        of upgrade?) emacs gives me.
        /usr/libexec/ Shared object "" not found
        but I see /usr/local/X11R6/lib/  Any idea how to fix?
        Actually it is not just an emacs problem.  Lots of commands (like
        cvsup) fail with the same error!
        \_ Can't you ask that sysadmin?
           \_ reboot. seriously. --fleePSB
              \_ The correct answer was probably "run ldconfig as root"
              \_ THAT WORKED!
                  \_ I tried ldconfig and that did not fix the problem.
                     Although I didnt try logging in and out after that.
                     \- i'd do the reboot to restart running processes.--psb
              \_ A novice was trying to fix a broken Lisp machine by turning
                 the power off and on.  Knight, seeing what the student was
                 doing spoke sternly: "You can not fix a machine by just
                 power-cycling it with no understanding of what is going
                 wrong."  Knight turned the machine off and on.  The machine
2004/3/26-27 [Uncategorized] UID:12886 Activity:nil
3/26    According to the new research, even the most laid-back people can
        erupt into furious rants when debating online:,12597,1178589,00.html
        \_ F&$k you, f&$k your mother, f&$k your sister, f&$k your dog!
        \_ whoa, duuuude... this is a total bummer!
2004/3/26-27 [Reference/Tax] UID:12887 Activity:nil
3/26    For a home-based small business, is it required to have a business
        phone plan for its charge to be counted as biz expense for tax purpose?
        Is biz plan much more expensive?
        \_ dunno. yes.
        \_ not really, and yes generally
           if you are sole proprietorship there are basically no restrictions
           the usual corporate veil issues pertain to the S-Corp/LLC case
        \_ No, but you have to have a separate line (you can't say "I use
           40% of the single line to the house for work)
2004/3/26-27 [Reference/Tax, Reference/Military] UID:12888 Activity:kinda low
3/26    After opening a new phone line, I have been using a calling card for
        long distance exclusively, but I also want to have a long distance
        carrier as a backup in case when the fone card's system fails.  Any
        long distance carrier that does not charge a monthly fee/tax/surcharge
        and is not exorbitantly expensive?
                   \_ I think you mean 'exorbitantly'.
                      \_ yeah thanks and corrected
        \_ don't worry...some long-distance provider will call you soon
           enough with a "courtesy call" and would love to be your
        \_ Why not just get a backup phone card?
           \_ Different type of systems.
        \_ or use 10-10 numbers for backups?  I was using for LD
           for 6 months because of their free deals, but then when they
           mis-billed a int'l call at $4/min I disabled LD on my phone, not
           worth the hassle.  Onesuite, and
        \_ I wanted exactly this.  SBC had some deal that's no-fee 5M-"/minute.
        \_ I wanted exactly this.  SBC had some deal that's no-fee 5/minute.
           Works for me.  --dbushong
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