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2004/2/12 [Politics/Domestic/Immigration, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:12223 Activity:very high 59%like:12209
2/11    Sierra Club anti-immigrant?
        http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/02/11/MNGRA4U14O1.DTL
        \_ If an environmental .org is serious about the environment then yes
           it makes sense to be anti-immigrant.  In fact it makes sense to be
           anti-human.  The SC is not a liberal .org, they're an environmental
           group.  Increasing population density in the U.S. will not in any
           way improve the environment here or elsewhere and is going to
           destroy a whole lot of it here and elsewhere.  Fewer people will
           directly lead to a cleaner/safer environment for all planets and
           animals.
           \_ aren't environmentalists typically liberals?
              \_ what is going on inside the SC right now is a fight between
                 true environmentalists who don't have a broader focus and
                 liberals for whom the environment is only one agenda item on
                 the list worth sacrificing for their greater liberal agenda.
                 I'm with the pure environmentalist crowd as we already have
                 enough generic liberals but no other serious orgs looking out
                 for the environment.
                 \_ I couldn't agree more.  It's important for any organization
                    like that to stay focused.  I'm going to take a wild guess
                    here and say I'll bet less than a quarter of any dollar
                    given to these jokers gets to any kind of conservation
                    project.  Now Bat Conservation International on the other
                    hand is, IMHO, a model of how things *should* be done.
                    http://www.batcon.org
                    I've been a contributor to and member of BCI for over 10
                    years, and I can't remember a single time when they seemed
                    politically motivated in anything beyond the very narrow
                    scope of their stated mission.
              \_ Grow up.
              \_ typically yes.  But it is not a prereq.  Personally I
                 consider myself a conservative libertarian environmentalist,
                 but there are people who know me who would argue with each
                 of those labels.
                 \_ Then at the very least you have a tension between human
                    rights, which is the libertarian pet peeve and
                    'environmental stuff', for which a principled resolution
                    should exist.  Most libertarians would say 'screw the
                    endangered wetland weed, humans are more important.'
                    Conservative libertarian makes more sense --
                    libertarian == rights, conservative == enforcement.
                    As far as the Sierra Club story, I heard they made some
                    sort of 'mutual coprosperity pact' with the Hispanic
                    Caucus (which makes them both unprincipled in my book).
                      -- ilyas
                 of those labels.
        \_ Every environmental issue is caused by human population growth.
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A not-so-civil war has erupted at the Sierra Club, the countrys oldest and largest environmental group, and its leaders say the heart and soul of the venerable, San Francisco-based organization are at stake. At issue is whether the club should adopt a position of strict United States immigration controls as a way to limit the environmental impact of overpopulation - and risk alienating many of the progressive groups that typically ally themselves with the club. The immigration issue has polarized club members before, but this time the battle has taken on an epic quality, involving a host of other issues, from animal rights to the clubs own democratic traditions, and attracting the involvement of an array of outside groups trying to influence the clubs policies. Now, with five of the 15 seats on the clubs board of directors up for grabs, a slate of insurgent candidates who favor tougher immigration controls could gain control in a March election. On Tuesday, insurgent candidates filed suit in San Francisco Superior Court alleging that the clubs leaders are illegally manipulating the elections by urging members to vote against the anti-immigration slate. I have been watching elections for 40 years, but I have never seen an election less just, less objective or less democratic. Larry Fahn, the clubs president and a board member, dismissed Lamms comparison as ridiculous, saying the suit was replete with inaccuracies and misstatements and that the club leadership will not be muzzled in getting the word out to our members. Club leaders, including Fahn and 12 former club presidents, say the conflict could change the essential character of the 112-year-old organization, which has 750,000 members. 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