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2013/4/18-5/18 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:54660 Activity:nil |
4/18 "MSNBC Host Blames NRA for 'Slow' Boston Investigation: 'In the Business of Helping Bombers Get Away With Their Crimes'" http://www.csua.org/u/zwf \_ The NRA has a lot to answer for. \_ Oh, for fuck's sake. We don't put taggants in gunpowder because it interferes with the proper functioning of a round of ammuntion. With commercial explosives, taggants aren't a problem because the individual charges used are relatively large. When you put them in a cartridge in the relatively tiny charge of smokeless powder, they disrupt orderly combustion. Also, no one has come up with a way of getting them evenly distributed into charges that small. The rounds end up being severely inconsistent. You know who else opposes putting taggants in commercial gunpowder? The Department of Defense, because they don't want any chance of it getting into their ammo, either. Go on, blame the DoD for the slow Boston investigation. Oh wait. It's already over and went pretty damn fast. |
12/25 |
2013/3/15-5/10 [Reference/Military, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:54628 Activity:nil |
3/15 It's not the NRA that's crazy, it is everyone else: http://preview.tinyurl.com/as2gpk2 |
2013/2/18-3/26 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:54608 Activity:nil |
2/18 F U NRA: http://preview.tinyurl.com/auazy6g (Sandy Hook Truthers) \_ http://preview.tinyurl.com/bqreg8d This shit makes me weep for America. \_ I didn't see any mention of the NRA on that page. Did you mean "FU Crazy Conspiracy Theorists?" Or do you have this really great theory about how this set of nuts is really a front for the NRA? \_ The NRA has been encouraging the lunatic fringe for a while now: http://preview.tinyurl.com/ac369ay \_ And the only thing in *that* article that even attempts to connect the NRA to conspiracy theorists is the speculation that Operation Fast and Furious might have been an *intentional* colossal fuckup on the government's part. Do you have anything better? You realize that Fast and Furious was all about government employees violating just about every gun control law we've got on the books, right? \_ Look the NRA has been trying to stoke insane conspiracy amongst its members for years. I am amazed you would try to defend crap like this: http://preview.tinyurl.com/7udytxw You are deluded about Fast and Furious as well. http://preview.tinyurl.com/7k2gzq5 - Former NRA member, will never give them anther dime. \_ Okay, so the official investigation into Fast and Furious is a sham, but the *other side* are encouraging conspiracy theorists? Here's a link to what that investigation (by the House Committe on Oversight & Government Reform) did the day after that article came out: http://issues.oversight.house.gov/fastandfurious/votes.html They voted to hold your chief boy scout in contempt of Congress for obstructing their investigation. \_ There is a good reason that the House Republicans have an approval rating of 15%. \_ Oh, be fair. The approval ratings are piss poor for *all* of Congress, not just one side of the aisle. http://www.gallup.com/poll/160625/congress-approval-holding-steady.aspx Gallup suggests the republicans are a few points lower, and the Democrats a few points higher, averaging out to 15% for all of them. Here's a few more polls: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/congressional_job_approval-903.html Everyone hates Congress. \_ Perhaps, but the POTUs doesn't have those kinds of approval ratings. So maybe the chief boy scout is doing the right thing. He is certainly more popular. It takes a special kind of crazy to be a House Republican these days. \_ Perhaps, but the POTUs doesn't have those kind of approval ratings. So maybe the chief boy scout is doing the right thing. He is certainly more popular. It takes a special kind of crazy to be a House Republican these days. \_ I was referring to Attorney General Eric Holder, not Obama. Try to keep up. \_ I believe that the AG is part of the Executive Branch of government. If you have AG opinion polls, please do share. \_ The IRS is also part of the executive branch. Do you believe that Obama's approval ratings are also an analog for public opinion of the IRS? \_ Good point. There is this: http://preview.tinyurl.com/6rw5b49 Only 56% have even heard of F&F and only 43% of them believe that Congress is actually trying to do anything other than play politics. So about 25% think it is a good thing. Being held in contempt of Congress probably made Holter more popular, if anything, given the extremelely low approval of Congress. |
2013/2/7-3/19 [Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:54601 Activity:nil |
2/7 This is how NRA can claim that it represents 4.5 million members. http://www.csua.org/u/z6r (news.yahoo.com) \_ Lots of local clubs (for all sorts of activities) require their members to join a national organization for legal and insurance purposes. There's nothing sinister here. |
2013/1/11-2/17 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:54578 Activity:nil |
1/10 Yet another campus shooting incident: http://www.csua.org/u/yvw Thank you NRA. \_ I would thank them; it's a tough spot to be in: defending civil liberties in the wake of an event that has all the sheeple begging the government to take them away. (Not to mention the large number of morons vilifying you and those others who dissent). Unfortunately I'm still kind of annoyed at the armed gaurds comment, so I'll just engage sheep such as yourself instead.(See below) -phuqm \_ Yup, so much defending civil liberties as to tell the POTUS to depot someone because that person is exercising his First Amendment rights. |
2012/12/20-2013/1/24 [Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:54565 Activity:nil |
12/20 "A story of the NRA's influence -- in 2 charts": http://www.csua.org/u/yqi That's why the NRA wins. \_ 3M is chump change for someone like Larry/Sergey/BillG, why don't they ever come out and just donate 3M? Cheap ass. |
2012/12/18-2013/1/9 [Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:54562 Activity:nil |
12/18 "NRA member Sen. Manchin says Newtown shooting should open assault weapons debate" http://www.csua.org/u/ypo '"The massacre of so many innocent children has changed -- has changed America. We've never seen this happen,"' Was this guy in a cave during the Columbine High massacre? \_ Don't keep your hopes high, though. It'll just be same-o same-o. "How the NRA Defeats National Tragedies" http://www.csua.org/u/ypq |
2008/11/25-12/2 [Reference/Tax, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:52103 Activity:nil |
11/25 Should churches be taxed? Does freedom of religion mean that religion should be free as in beer? --PeterM \_ Churches are non-profits. Should non-profits be taxed? \_ My contributions to the ACLU do not qualify for a tax break, why should contributions to a church qualify? \_ ACLU donations should be tax-deductible http://www.aclu.org/supportaclu/taxdeductible/index.html \_ Wish I had known that all these years... \_ In their capacity as a non-profit, they have certain rules to follow. In their capacity as a religious organization, they get a much better tax break and thus have more stringent rules to abide by. If they want to violate those rules, then they should not receive the special treatment they would be accorded if they obeyed the rules. \_ Should God be taxed? |
2008/11/7-13 [Politics/Domestic/SIG, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51880 Activity:nil |
11/7 Why I'm not buying GOOG (special interest & conflict of interest): http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Google-Makes-First-Political-Contributions/story.aspx?guid={D98D82C9-98B9-4A0C-96F6-414DA5AEC365} http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44125 http://money.cnn.com/2005/02/14/technology/google_democrats/index.htm \_ You know at this point I think GOOG in all honesty does not care even a tiny tiny tiny bit whether an individual investor wants to buy their stock. |
2008/4/4-9 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:49669 Activity:nil |
4/4 ACLU: Defending American's Enemies http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/32758.html \_ Why not ask the ACLU about it? http://aclu.org/safefree/detention/johnadams.html |
2008/1/17-18 [Recreation/Dating, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:48961 Activity:kinda low |
1/16 ACLU: Up is Down, Left is Right, Sex in Public is Private! http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080116/ap_on_re_us/craig_appeal_1 \_ You misattribute... MN Courts 30 years ago say it. ACLU just uses the precedent in a legal argument. \_ What did the prosecutor claim as illegal? The sex or the invitation to sex? \_ GOP: War is Peace \_ Hello hippie!!! |
2007/8/2-3 [Politics/Domestic/911, Reference/Tax, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:47511 Activity:nil |
8/2 these personal plates are totally awesome http://www.tax.ok.gov/plates/GWOT_apr07.jpg Fight terrorism! http://www.tax.ok.gov/plates/sp008.html Choose life \_ http://www.tax.ok.gov/plates/sp079.html NRA \_ http://www.tax.ok.gov/plates/sp138.html Square & Round Dancers \_ http://www.tax.ok.gov/plates/sp004.html Adoption \_ http://www.tax.ok.gov/plates/sp006.html Neuter your pets! |
2007/5/7-9 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:46537 Activity:nil |
5/6 The liberal case for the individual right to keep and bear arms: http://preview.tinyurl.com/2af36o (nytimes.com) |
2007/4/17-18 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:46344 Activity:kinda low |
4/17 http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3048108 Professor who taught a poetry class he was enrolled in: Cho seemed "extraordinarily lonely -- the loneliest person I have ever met in my life" \_ What is the standard procedure for civilians when someone starts shooting, according to the gov? "Stay put, do what they want, don't fight back. Bend over." That's insane, that's the exact opposite of what they teach LE and military. They teach you to shoot back! Fight back when given a chance. Look for cover, move! Not to stand still and just let him shoot you. \_ They've all heard the Barbara Streisand (BS) that "if you resist \_ They've all heard the Barbra Streisand (BS) that "if you resist you stand a greater chance of getting hurt or killed." Or that "if you give them what they want they'll go away." What do you then do if "what they want" is your life! \_ I think most of the deaths happened in an enclosed space and the targets had no way of running away. What do you think? \_ Gun control advocates state that if you have a gun it will most likely be used against you.. .too bad out of 32 chances for that to happen it didn't happen .. no one took the gun away from the shooter.. but on 33 the gun did get turned against the shooter when he killed himself. \_ yeah, those goddamn cowardly stupid victims should've been NRA members and held civil disobedience against the stupid gun ban. You know, I think you guys have this right. This is the perfect time to carve empty political points out of a tragedy. \_ Yes and the anti-gun folks aren't hammering away at this from the get-go, right? PKB. |
2006/12/19 [Politics/Domestic/SIG, Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity] UID:45472 Activity:nil |
12/19 "Bus ride upsets black students" http://www.csua.org/u/hqz (http://www.mercurynews.com Troll: When they had to sit in the back, they complained (Rosa Parks). When they have to sit in the front, they complain (now). |
2006/9/14-16 [Politics/Domestic, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:44377 Activity:high |
9/14 Cheap-Shot Journalism by Thomas Sowell http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/09/cheap_shot_journalism.html \_ The financing of conservative think tanks is not coincidental; it is part of a conscious conservative strategy. Of course Sowell wants to hide that fact. -tom \_ And the financing of liberal think thanks is coincidental and random? Ok. \_ No, it's not, but it's also miniscule compared to conservative think tank funding. I'm sure openness would benefit the liberal side. -tom \_ Since they did an article posting the $$$s above the heads of the conservatives it seems like there is openness. You say the liberal think tanks get miniscule funding but since the cheap-shot article Sowell attacks doesn't provide those $$$s we can't know. We only have your word on it. It would have been nice if they had provided the $$$s for the liberal think tanks as well but that didn't suit their agenda. \_ Is "liberals help unions" news? -tom \_ Strawman. Care to try again? How about telling us how much unions have given to the left over the years in money extracted from their members who have no choice in the matter? Nevermind, any abuse for money and power is ok as long as it's your guys doing it. it. Anyway, should I take it as conceding the point since you ignored what Sowell was saying? \_ What's the strawman? Reporting that evangelical Christians contribute to churches is not news, and it's not the job of a newspaper to report on it. The link between big business and pro-big-business think tanks is not common knowledge and is newsworthy, unlike the link between liberals and unions, which has been a core part of liberal politics for a century. -tom \_ Sowell is talking about an article that puts $$$ signs above the heads of conservatives but sort of vaguely mentions in passing that liberals do the same but doesn't mention any or put up $$$. The links between all these orgs are common and public knowledge, but never mind reality: so if the original article was about liberal think tanks and there were $$$ over their heads and they vaguely mentioned near the end that conservatives sort of kind of do the same thing but didn't name any, you'd be ok with that. Your last line is funny. There hasn't been a liberal in the modern sense of the word for a century. Liberals are a product of the 60s/70s universities. Unions began as a product of the communist movement. I hope you're not trying to lay claim to communism = modern liberalism. \_ The link between WalMart and conservative think tanks is common knowledge? Do you have some evidence for that claim? As I said, newspapers report on news, and I think it would be silly to write a report that unions contribute to liberal causes, or liberals contribute to unions. If military contractors start contributing to liberal causes, I think that's newsworthy and would bear reporting. -tom |
2006/7/25-27 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:43799 Activity:nil |
7/25 Big Brother is here to stay http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060725/ap_on_re_us/phone_records_lawsuit \_ "He also said Terkel and the other plaintiffs in the lawsuit, which sought class-action status, had not shown that their own records had been provided to the government. As a result, they lacked standing to sue the government, he said." So, in order to sue to prevent AT&T handing over my records to the government in a super-secret and classified program, I must prove that AT&T handed over my records to the government in a super- secret program despite the fact that the government is not going to honor my FOIA requests until they've declassified this super-secret program. Brilliant! \_ How many fingers do you see? \_ There are FOUR lights! \_ Hmmm, I can see we have some more work to do. \_ c.f. Orwell, Kafka. Government hasn't come very far in 80 years. |
2006/4/11-15 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:42733 Activity:nil |
4/11 David Brin is a smart cookie: http://davidbrin.blogspot.com/2006/03/choices-we-face.html |
2006/2/6-7 [Politics/Domestic/SIG, Politics/Domestic/911] UID:41730 Activity:moderate |
2/6 Democrats, not Republicans, want to grow the Army to far bigger: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060206/ap_on_go_pr_wh/budget_defense_6 "His approach, which is opposed by many Democrats in Congress who believe the Army in particular is being stretched too thin and needs to get far bigger, ......" \_ I actually support the idea of bringing back the draft, although not on the scale seen in early decades (and certainly not with the unfair Vietnam-era deferments). The currently professional military does not accurately reflect American society as a whole - generally it is more conservative, more Christian, more macho, and more working class than America is as a whole. A fair draft would make the Army much more reflective of society as a whole, and probably less prone to form a distinct special interest "power bloc." Not to mention the fact that more Americans would have a direct stake in American military action, either directly or through family ties. --liberal \_ You want your military to be Politically Correct or to save your ass when The Bad Guys show up? Who gives a shit if the army isn't quota perfect? Few things are. Is this some bizarre troll or do you really actually believe all that crap? \_ I'm completely serious. We fought WWII with a military made up of everyone. Stop jerking your knees and think \_ Uh.. Tuskegee Airmen? about it for a second - I'm not talking about quotas. The Founding Fathers had good reason to fear an entrenched warrior class - see also Eisenhower's "military-industrial complex" speech. \_ The average soldier in the army is not what Eisenhower was talking about. You want to go back to WWII style combat where they lose 5000+ men a day in every major conflict and sometimes more? What was so great about that? Today we have a highly mobile, all volunteer, professional army much much smaller than WWII which kicked the hell out of Sadam's WWII style draftee army in GW1 and GW2. Morale, training, effectiveness, and every other measure of army quality has never been higher. I don't think a draftee PC Army can *ever* approach the quality armed forces we have today. When I need a plumber, I don't check to see if he's properly reflective of the make up of the community. I want to know that he's the best plumber I can get for my dollar. Seriously, go look up the WWII loss totals for various battles. WWI was even worse and the deaths even more pointless. (I'll grant that GW2 isn't a 'fair' comparison since it was really just the long awaited end of GW1 but Iraq still had a number of well equiped units that got flattened if they didn't flee). \_ I'm not op or supporting a draft but GW and Afghnstn are not good examples of our superior army over WWII. We had overwhelming superiority in equipment and air support, and the enemy knew it. That aspect is not a draftee vs. nondraftee issue. \_ The Soviets had overwhelming superiority in equipment air support, numbers, and everything else, but still got their asses handed to them in Afghanistan. They use draftees. We don't. We bombed the place and used fast light highly motivated ground forces when needed. 10 years later the Soviets retreated in shame. 10 weeks later we owned the country. Draftee armies just suck. There's a good reason for that if you think about it for 2 seconds. When it comes to protecting my skin, I'll take the professionals who signed up for it over a much larger group of enslaved walking targets who only want to get home alive, thanks. Maybe you know something that the top military and civilians in our government don't know. Write a letter, maybe they'll do a draft for you. There's no way you're going to convince anyone that a drafted army is better than an all volunteer professional force. \_ The Soviets were fighting against guerillas armed with the latest US technology and with US support. Afghanistan would be totally different if, say, France was helping the rebels. Even now, only the capital is truly under control and the rest of the country is as lawless as ever. \_ France? Huh? The Soviets are the WWII army you say you want. I don't care who they were fighting. They got their asses kicked. I gave you a professional vs. draftee example. I gave you another WWII vs. volunteer example. You're just trolling now. I can not 'create' a war that will satisfy your ideal conflict. Such an event has never taken place and never will. You have yet to show a place where draftees came even close to beating professionals or volunteers much less the 2 ass kicking examples I gave of the opposite. Good bye. \_ How about the Hessians losing to the Americans in the Revolutionary War? Weren't mercenaries also at the root of the military problems of ancient Rome? Anyway, that is beside the point I was making about Afghanistan, which you ignored. \_ Professional army was cool until US had to occupy Iraq for the long term. Now there isn't enough manpower, and regimes like N. Korea and Iran knows that US's hands are tied. The other problem with professional army is that now that they have Iraq, they had trouble getting new recruits. \_ In one of the letters that Osama bin Ladin addressed to the American people, he stated that his goal was to bankrupt the United States. It doesn't really matter if we have overwhelming superiority in equipment. Our net gain from this war (and from Vietnam) will be zero, if not negative. And we are just playing into the hands of Al Quaida.... \_ Math is good. Compare the cost of GW2+Afghan+ DHS+everything-else to the federal budget. AlQ hasn't done jack in the US since 9/11. I'm failing to see the failure in the current policy. \_ The American economy is only doing well due to massive government stimulus. If the Iranian Oil bourse starts chipping away at the dollar's current place as the reserve currency of the world, Asia will stop buying up all our debt and the economy will crumble. We will no longer be able to inflate away our $8 trillion debt. \_ huh? why would we not be able to inflate away our debt? asia not buying our debt will only help, cause it causes dollar to fall and improves our exports and reduce trade decifit. debt is in US dollar so it will stay constant (and become smaller relative to exports). \_ China's currency is pegged to ours. If they stop buying our debt we have to raise our interest rates. A lot. |
2006/2/2-6 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:41674 Activity:moderate |
2/3 Republican \_ SUV \_ How do Republicans relate to SUVs? I don't get it. \_ Conservative \_ NRA \_ Fish that sucks blood from inside your ass. \_ liberals from Yale talk from their ass. \_ Peace and Freedom! \_ Whigs! \_ Wife-swapping. \_ Religious. \_ Corrupt \_ EEEEEVVVVVVVUUUUUULLLLLLL!!!!!! And they stole our "ic"! PETTY! I love the motd. In a single stroke so open mindedly dismissing about half the entire country with one word labels. \_ I think most of these have the politicians in mind, not necessarily the voters. \_ Not me. I have contempt for the Republican politicians, but not as much as for the voters. \_ Pft, as if. <My party> is full of sweetness and light, but we all know <opposition party> sucks and is evil. \_ You're a moron. Not republicans in general, just you. \_ *laugh* Thanks for the compliment. I'm glad to have helped you focus your wrath on specific individuals instead of 150,000,000 people you don't know. Think of it as a growth opportunity. \_ You're overestimating, probably by 2x or more. \_ An unabashed terrorist that lies, abuses power, and ruins people's lives for personal gain under the cover of spreading "freedom" around the world \_ Ob: "<Myparty> is pristine and pure and goodness and light, but <Yourparty> is villainous and scummy and evil and corrupt and abusive". |
2006/1/29-31 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:41588 Activity:kinda low |
1/29 Hahaha--Congressional staffers change more than 1000 wikipedia entries: http://www.lowellsun.com/ci_3444567 -John \_ We're lucking so far all the damage is on the Republicans. Think of all the filth the Republicans would sling if they discovered Wikipedia. \_ Good thing <opposite party> isn't as corrupt as we are, because they'd be even worse! \_ Yeah! I hate <opposite party>! They are evil and corrupt! <Our party> is pure and pristine! Go us! If <our party> isn't in control of all 3 branches, the country, nay! the entire world is doomed! Go <our party>! I'm with you brother/sister/entity! \_ It couldn't be possible that the 997 fixes not mentioned were improvements to the notoriously inaccurate wikipedia. |
2006/1/6-9 [Politics/Domestic/SIG, Politics/Domestic/President] UID:41267 Activity:low |
1/6 "The time has come that the American people know exactly what their Representatives are doing here in Washington. Are they feeding at the public trough, taking lobbyist-paid vacations, getting wined and dined by special interest groups? Or are they working hard to represent their constituents? The people, the American people, have a right to know." - Tom DeLay Nov 16, 1995 \_ Well, now we know. \_ http://www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure/norindsea.shtml Plug in Abramoff. The next few months are going to be fun to watch. \_ We've always known. Both parties have been sucking away at every opportunity for decades. There is no news here. \_ # of donations from Abramoff to Dems: 0 \_ 1) That's not what the radio reporter said, 2) there hasn't been an investigation or final ruling, 3) if this was purely a (R) problem, I'd expect the (D)'s to be jumping all over it which they're not, 4) Abramoff isn't exactly the first instance of payoffs and corruption in DC and I find it intellectually dishonest that you would bring up a current event which isn't fully fleshed out or known and compare it to a blanket statement about previous decades as if this was the only event of corruption ever seen. Try again. You are a total idiot if you think (R) = evil and (D) = good. They're all just people and people are what they are no matter what little letter gets printed next to their name on CNN. \_ Neither party is really evil or good, but I think Bill Frist for instance is quite simply an evil man. I think there are several people in Congress who do not believe in freedom, and whose entire ideology comes from the desire for power, particuarly theocratic power. They're all republicans. \_ So there are no evil (D)'s huh? Okey dokey! \_ Name one who is as evil as Frist. \_ Pretty much the entire Kennedy family but the current senior Senator from MA in particular has a special story. \_ In a word, bullshit. I don't think any Kennedy is a threat to the U.S. the way Frist is. If that guy becomes president, I expect to see prison camps for political dissenters, elimination of the non-executive branches of government and bibical law within the first couple years, followed by however many years of dictatorship it takes for revolution, coup or war to bring it all down. We've already had a Kennedy in the whitehouse, and this is just not a threat from them. Just because you dislike them personally doesn't make them evil. \_ You are confusing your opinion with the historical fact. You can expect the moon to be made of cheese. It does not make it so. The last Kennedy in the WH brought us to the very edge of nuclear war in a way no one else has. Thanks. \_ The Democrats are jumping all over this. You are not paying too much attention to the news. \_ KOS isn't a news source. |
2005/10/26-27 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:40284 Activity:nil |
10/26 Rosa Parks died on Monday: http://tinyurl.com/8a9br \_ apple has a nice tribute to her on their web page. \_ http://www.apple.com/hotnews/articles/2005/10/rosaparks \_ "What are you staring at, Mr. President?" http://news.yahoo.com/photo/051025/480/ny13710250245 |
2005/9/22-23 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:39814 Activity:nil |
9/22 Jimmy Carter says we need to show photo ID to vote. ACLU says: "Photographic identification as a requirement for voting is antidemocratic and prevents people from exercising their fundamental right to vote whether proposed by the General Assembly of the state of Georgia or the Carter-Baker commission" http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/news/nation/12688495.htm \_ How does that follow? (What the ACLU says) \_ Is this a matter of confusion between verification of right to vote with anonymous voting? \_ Yes, and also a question the circumstances of how and who gets a verifable ID and how that ID will be used later on (i.e. will it become akin to SSN or driver's license for serices). \_ What does Jimmy Carter say about corporations run by directly partisan Republicans supplying black boxes for voting in our election? |
2005/6/25 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:38301 Activity:nil |
6/24 Media watchdog group hassled by police: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1316683/posts |
2005/5/27 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:37862 Activity:nil |
5/27 Republicanism at work. Rick Santorum takes political donation from AccuWeather, pushes bill that would prevent National Weather Service from offerring for free the data that AccuWeather (amongst many others) tries to sell to people. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050527/ap_on_go_co/santorum_s_storm Very nice NWS site: http://www.nws.noaa.gov Compare with, for instance: http://weather.com \_ Nice troll. If you actually read the article you would note that there had been an existing standard for the past 14 years that would not allow the NWS to compete with private weather forecasting. Last I heard the Dems were still in power in congress in 1991. In addition, this rule survived through 8 years of Clinton. \_ Nice troll. There was a rule change last year that allowed NWS to cover areas covered by industry, making this the new status quo. Santorum's bill would again restrict NWS services. \_ No shit sherlock. The point isn't that the rule expired, dimwit, the point is that it isn't a "Republican plot" as described by OP. If the rule was changed last year, then it was changed under a Republican congress with a Republican president at the helm, which again is completely opposite of what the OP is saying. \_ Not Republicanism--scumbag politician bought by special interest at work. R's and D's both have them. \_ That's funny, because when the Republicans were the minority, we kept hearing about how they were going to put an end to special interest politics. Now it seems they've just replaced the Democratic interests with their own. \_ No argument there, and it pisses me off just as much as it does you. Probably more. \_ I found what looked like santorum in hotel room once. Yuck. \_ If it's run by a business it must be more efficient! Down with the socialist National Weather Service! |
2005/4/19 [Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:37252 Activity:nil |
4/18 ACLU smoking dope at border? Minutemen say photos show 'legal observers' getting high http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43867 \_ ACLU members smoking pot? This surprises you? Given the type of cases/clients the ACLU takes, it is apparent they have been smoking something for years. |
2005/3/8-9 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:36587 Activity:high |
3/8 I'm in the process of writing a book called a Liberal's Guide To Become A Good Conservative. I need a list of suggestions. I'll start but I need your help: \_ If you post the same link to the motd enough times, everyone will eventually agree with you. If it starts to get deleted, just post the ip address. No one will think of that, because it's super-sneaky. \_ Never admit a mistake, you don't want to show your weaknesses \_ Show people that you believe God. God Bless America. \_ Religion works all the time. God Bless America. \_ You are more important than anyone else, screw what other people think. Sometimes the right decision [for me] is not a popular one \_ There is only good and evil. You're either with us or against us. \_ Use simple phrases, like MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! BRING 'EM ON!!! \_ If something goes wrong, just point your finger at someone! Like "CIA mislead me! It's not my fault." \_ Accept that you're good and that everything else is Liberal Bias. There is good and evil. Mormon is good. Everything else is evil. \_ Cut taxes. Talk about God a lot. To set policy on a particular topic such as healthcare or energy, invite business leaders to tell you what to do. \_ This should be a really easy book to write. All you need is one page, and it should just read "remove head from ass". \_ According to Tom Holub, the motd is a bastion of conservativism. And he's right -- look at all the help this thread has gotten so quickly! -- ilyas \_ uh, when did I say this? -tom \_ According to ilyas, motd is about him and tom holub. Just look at these two dominating motd. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! \_ Have some compassion for ilyas. He seems to have a very low self-esteem and he just needs acceptance. He is unsure of himself and covers up his esteem with quick snappy insults. And people like that usually have a history of being ridiculed or not being able to "fit in" in the physical world, so they find places that are less painful to be in, like motd. \_ I don't think ANYONE comes to the motd for acceptance. I come here for the laughs mostly. -- ilyas \_ yet you do not deny that you have a low self- esteem. You realise that people on motd usually laugh AT you, not with you, yes? \_ I admit everything! The motd inquisition got me, at last! -- ilyas \_ Give him... the comfy chair! \_ Don't EVER defend the queer, you'll lose lots of allies. \_ Don't EVER bring up boring statistics like "87 Billion dollars in Iraq will give you 100,000 teachers for 20 years" unless you want to bore your audiences to death. BORING!!! Instead, talk about GOD. \_ If someone makes fun of your intelligence (Democrats), they are immoral people. Talk with your gun (and oh thanks, NRA!) \_ Liberty is not free, and is the historical exception not the rule. \_ Odd one stands out, dummy. \_ Do NOT get an intern to suck your dick, it'll piss off Jesus' people \_ Remove your brain and trust your government. \_ Funny, I always thought that was the liberal/socialist view. \_ Correction: "Don't trust the government unless it trusts God" \_ If you get enough people to say it, anything, no matter how patently false, will sound convincing. |
2004/10/19 [Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:34210 Activity:nil |
10/18 Man charged in vote fraud says NAACP paid in crack http://www.washtimes.com/national/20041018-103741-2380r.htm \_ Yay, Moonie Times Troll is back! \_ How about CNN bitch? [CNN url replaced with shortcut] http://csua.org/u/9jp \_ This makes no sense. Is crack going for that cheap these days? \_ Wow. A careful reading of this article would show you that your original caption is hugely misleading. Go Moonie Times Troll Go! \_ Only party sanctioned media outlets like CBS, NYTimes and LATimes, oh and Democracy Now, right? You are a inveterate moron and an embarrassment to this school. How the hell did you get in? \_ Right. The NAACP didn't pay in crack. The NAACP National Voter Fund assistant Ohio director recruited a woman to help with obtaining voter registration. That woman paid in crack. |
2004/9/2 [Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:33314 Activity:nil |
9/2 UCB. EFF. ACLU. FSF. Yer mom. Who else? \_ FBI. CIA. ATF. DHS. OH MY!!!!! \_ Of course. As a taxpayer, I already support those. |
2004/6/17 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:30855 Activity:very high |
6/16 Arch liberal 9th Circuit topples Mojave desert cross (WWI veterans memorial) Why don't we redo the crosses at Normandy and Arlington while we are at it. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1155068/posts \_ We just swap out one God for another. \_ for the record, I'm an athiest jew and a liberal, and i think this is totally retarded. \_ for the record, I'm an atheist jew and a liberal, and i think this is totally retarded. [80 columnd, spellingd] \_ I'm a liberal atheist and I think it's wrong for the government to put up or maintain a religiously-themed monument, but I don't see the constitutional imperitive to remove one. \_ so are you anti-cristmass trees on the town green also? -laj \_ Christmas trees are pagan/secular. I'm anti-nativity scenes. \_ what about menorahs? \_ No. No general secular usage. Maybe in another generation they will be sufficiently stripped of religious meaning. \_ I hope not. Keep your christmas time sales crap to ruining your own culture. \_ Arlington doesn't have crosses. Oh. there is the Argonne cross. \_ Thanks for the chuckle. I love to watch the Freepers drool over themselves in anger. \_ It's better than watching them drool over themselves idly. |
2004/5/21 [Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:30347 Activity:high 55%like:30342 |
5/21 Bill Cosby gets it. NAACP Mfume and Shaw do not. http://csua.org/u/7ee [newsday.com]> (shortened) \_ What a shock. A self-made millionaire understands real life,but leaders of a group motivated to maintain victimhood dosen't. \_ I don't think Bill gets it, I think he is being arrogant. Everyone has their own way of talking in the right setting. You don't talk the same around your parents, as you do your friends, or at work. There's nothing wrong with slang in the right setting. Besides, once slang is accepted in the mainstream it no longer sounds ghetto. Take for instance, "it's all good". 10 years ago you'd never hear White professionals utter that, but now it's quite common. Cosby needs to get offof his high-horse, he sounds like a sell-out. \_ Slang is fine at home but not in business. I don't care if people speak pidgin, ebonics, English, Spanish or Martian at home. But use standard English if you want to interact withthe rest of US society. \_ Business is not some monolithic White Republican thing. Is black slang appropriate if you are a rap A&R person? Of course. \_ White people have white trash who we make fun of. If you make fun of black trash it's racism. Hoookay... (Or in this case, since Cosby is black he's an Uncle Tom) \_ If you're black and you make fun of black trash it's ok. Generally, it's tacky to poke fun at race if it's not your own. \_ I'd say it's tacky (but fun) to make fun of your own race but it's mean-spirited and possibly racist to make fun of a different race. \_ AP's version of the evening differs from NewsDay and WorldNetDaily. Quelle shock! http://csua.org/u/7eb \_ Neither account claims to be comprehensive. This is new? \_ you're right, it's not new that NewsDay takes quotes out of context in a pathetic attempt to push their own agenda. Hey, you want to post another link to an ice flow study as "proof" against global warming? -tom \_ The AP version is shorter and has clearly cut out or mischaracterized the less "PC" Cosby lines. You've got it all back asswards, as usual. \_ Tell us another one, Unka Tom! |
2004/5/21 [Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:30342 Activity:high 55%like:30347 |
5/21 Bill Cosby gets it. NAACP Mfume and Shaw do not. http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/ny-flmid3811870may21,0,7539165,print.story?coll=ny-entertainment-headlines \_ What a shock. A self-made millionaire understands real life, but leaders of a group motivated to maintain victimhood dosen't. \_ I don't think Bill gets it, I think he is being arrogant. Everyone has their own way of talking in the right setting. You don't talk the same around your parents, as you do your friends, or at work. There's nothing wrong with slang in the right setting. Besides, once slang is accepted in the mainstream it no longer sounds ghetto. Take for instance, "it's all good". 10 years ago you'd never hear White professionals utter that, but now it's quite common. Cosby needs to get off of his high-horse, he sounds like a sell-out. \_ Slang is fine at home but not in business. I don't care if people speak pidgin, ebonics, English, Spanish or Martian at home. But use standard English if you want to interact with the rest of US society. \_ White people have white trash who we make fun of. If you make fun of black trash it's racism. Hoookay... (Or in this case, since Cosby is black he's an Uncle Tom) \_ AP's version of the evening differs from NewsDay and WorldNetDaily. Quelle shock! http://csua.org/u/7eb \_ Neither account claims to be comprehensive. This is new? \_ Tell us another one, Unka Tom! |
2004/2/12 [Politics/Domestic/Immigration, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:12223 Activity:very high 59%like:12209 |
2/11 Sierra Club anti-immigrant? http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/02/11/MNGRA4U14O1.DTL \_ If an environmental .org is serious about the environment then yes it makes sense to be anti-immigrant. In fact it makes sense to be anti-human. The SC is not a liberal .org, they're an environmental group. Increasing population density in the U.S. will not in any way improve the environment here or elsewhere and is going to destroy a whole lot of it here and elsewhere. Fewer people will directly lead to a cleaner/safer environment for all planets and animals. \_ aren't environmentalists typically liberals? \_ what is going on inside the SC right now is a fight between true environmentalists who don't have a broader focus and liberals for whom the environment is only one agenda item on the list worth sacrificing for their greater liberal agenda. I'm with the pure environmentalist crowd as we already have enough generic liberals but no other serious orgs looking out for the environment. \_ I couldn't agree more. It's important for any organization like that to stay focused. I'm going to take a wild guess here and say I'll bet less than a quarter of any dollar given to these jokers gets to any kind of conservation project. Now Bat Conservation International on the other hand is, IMHO, a model of how things *should* be done. http://www.batcon.org I've been a contributor to and member of BCI for over 10 years, and I can't remember a single time when they seemed politically motivated in anything beyond the very narrow scope of their stated mission. \_ Grow up. \_ typically yes. But it is not a prereq. Personally I consider myself a conservative libertarian environmentalist, but there are people who know me who would argue with each of those labels. \_ Then at the very least you have a tension between human rights, which is the libertarian pet peeve and 'environmental stuff', for which a principled resolution should exist. Most libertarians would say 'screw the endangered wetland weed, humans are more important.' Conservative libertarian makes more sense -- libertarian == rights, conservative == enforcement. As far as the Sierra Club story, I heard they made some sort of 'mutual coprosperity pact' with the Hispanic Caucus (which makes them both unprincipled in my book). -- ilyas of those labels. \_ Every environmental issue is caused by human population growth. |
2004/2/5 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:29782 Activity:very high 50%like:29780 |
2/4 Conservatives -- what two issues do you really care about? \_ a. keeping my money b. making more money \_ you are making conservatives sound very selfish \_ of course he is. he isn't a conservative. he's trolling. \_ 1. Making sure my money is spent how I want it to be spent. 2. Reducing government services/intervention/size to those the government does best (e.g. defense) \_ I disagree with #1. Tax money should be spent wisely and for what helps the nation, not on a new pool in your backyard. Or better yet, my backyard. --conservative \_ Maybe I feel strongly that a new pool helps the nation. I think deciding what "helps the nation" is at the core of this question and liberals have a different idea than conservatives do. I don't think a lot of "helpful government programs" help the nation. \_ your feelings have nothing to do with it. you won't be able to demonstrate a new pool helps anyone but you. I agree that various social programs only destroy those they are intended to help. \_ How about the Interstate system? Are you opposed to that, too? \_ Built during the Commie Liberal Roosevelt New Dealism era. \_ The IState system improves commerce efficiency, so no. The welfare system destroys lives, so yes. Various tax credits and penalties are used to conduct government directed social engineering which IMO is the biggest crime possible in this context. \_ a new pool will increase overall GDP (by increasing consumption, and the pool maker will also consume and so on.. sort of like the multiplier effect.) Thus, a new pool might be helpful to society. \_ no, because the final product has no value to society. if the pool was purchased with his own money then what you say would be true. but when purchased with tax dollars which otherwise would have had that multiplier effect in the economy, they are first filtered through the government waste system and what little is left is then multiplied. \_ So you are saying it's better to build a pool than to give the money to the wasteful government in the form of taxes. Exactly. If I pay some laborers $20K to build my pool I think I've done more for them than any government program would have. \_ 1. Promote traditional family values. Protect the family. 2. Protection of Life and Liberty (from conception to natural death) and the pursuit of happiness. \_ Isn't racism a traditional family value? \_ hint: I'm not white, or a WASP. \_ yes, it is, in white, black, hispanic, asian, and just about all other cultures. would you prefer breaking up all families because sometimes they do bad and stupid things? \_ No. But I'm pointing out what a vague and meaningless term "family values" is in politics. What, specifically, do you expect politicians to do about family values? They like to talk about it in elections but it sidesteps any debate over actual policies. In short, it's a load of bullshit. And historically speaking, liberals were the ones fighting for the rights of women and minorities. Maybe nowadays, family values is a euphemism for anti-gay, xtian fundamentalism. \_ killing people (born and unborn) is bad. What about those rights? And affirmative action is not the only way to help minorities. \_ 1. Only allow the traditional sexual position. 2. Only adult can and must be killed. \_ Bad troll, no cookie. Liberals -- what two issues do you really care about? \_ 1. Universal health care and education. \_ Provide a service with infinite costs like healthcare and you'll get everyone over-using it to the point that everyone gets near- zero care. Education is a different story since the costs are limited and predictable with long term benefits for all of society. 2. I'm very glad to see a good number of the candidates talk about fair trade and tax incentives to keep jobs here. If we're going to play in a "global" marketplace, all players must play fair. --scotsman \_ They're talking but once elected it'll be outsource as usual. \_ I'm being naive but I thought conservatives were free traders? \_ Did I say free? Check your prescription. --scotsman \_ what does fair mean exactly? I'll raise my tariffs to match yours? \_ It means "I actually care about how you treat your workers" \_ how does this translate into policy? \_ Getting Bush out of office. \_ is this an "issue"? \_ only if you're an extremist leftist motd wacko. the rest of country is more concerned with jobs, healthcare, and defense \_ I bet 1/3 of the Democratic party would disagree with you. You might think that 10% of the country is extremist left whackos, but you are starting to stretch the definition a bit there. Many of them are more partisan than leftist, anyway. \_ you are right. kind of like how all the republicans want clinton out no matter what. \_ "all" and "no matter what" are incorrect. \_ 1. Making sure the most helpless in society, especially children, are adequately taken care of. \_ isn't that what *PARENTS* are for? who else? \_ Parents have the first responsibility, but in many -- ilyas cases they fail to do their job. What then? \_ Take the kids away and sterilise the parents. There are a lot of people who can't have kids and would take much better care of them. It Takes A Village, remember? 2. Keeping the rights of the minority safe from being trampled on by the majority. \_ including free speech rights for those who disagree with you, right? \_ In my case, absolutely. I am an ACLU member. \_ mmmmm, yeeaah... I like the concept of the ACLU and what they claim to stand for but they don't always, but overall I'm glad they're there than not at all. \_ I was an ACLU member once. Then they sold my name to a bunch of mailing lists. \_ 1. Protection of civil liberties \_ Where were the Democrats during the Civil Rights movement, huh? Blocking Highschool doorways so black kids couldn't enter. \_ Didn't Johnson sign the Civil Right's Bill and send federal troops to Alabama to desegregate the schools? 2. Socialized Medicine \_ what is the conservative way of dealing with Medicine? - not a liberal \_ not going EU/Canadian style and destroying the system. \_ Let the free market handle it. \_ how would the free market handle it? What about those who can't afford it? \_ I believe there should be a minimal level of health care provided to all citizens such as shots for kids, and 911 emergency care but I don't think we should all be paying for some of the things I've seen such as the $250,000 spent so far just in medical costs to keep a friend's near-brain dead child alive for the last 10 years. And then there's the $150,000 or so spent on other care. The child is non-functional, unable to speak at all, can almost crawl and doesn't recognise her own mother from a hole in the ground. None of this ever should have been allowed to happen. She should have been allowed to die at birth and would have with- out *amazing* amounts of top notch western medical care. How many kids could be helped with that $400k who can actually *use* the help? \_ 1. Equal rights under the law, civil liberties. \_ Where were the Democrats when the Civil Rights Movement was taking the nation? Blocking black kids from entering white high schools. 2. Promoting the welfare of the masses and egalitarian society. \_ You mean taking money from one group and giving it to another who hasn't done anything to earn it. Moderates -- what two issues do you really care about? \_ they care about nothing at all, that's what makes them moderates. \_ No, they just aren't fanatics. They don't have a pet agenda to push. So they listen to the yammering of both sides and want something in between. \_ They're mushy heads. How can they have been awake for the last however many years and still not have an opinion on so many topics which will send this country down very different paths in the years to come? Mushy heads. \_ They may like how things are or have views which don't all neatly fall into one column or the other. Most things end up being a compromise and therefore "moderate". \_ The key concept of compromise is no one likes it. I have no respect for people who prefer to compromise all the time instead of making something happen. Mushy heads. If they really believed in the status quo then they should be opposing both sides. They *do* have a pet agenda if you're correct. Since we don't see your version of moderates raising their voices in loud opposition to the extremes we must conclude they really don't care and are just a bunch of Mushy Heads. Message from OP: I'm not trying to troll. one of the reasons I have is to see whether the priorities of conservatives and liberals are very similar or very different. \_ Mr. OP, in my opinion the difference between conservatives and liberals isn't priorities (they are often the same), but that they view human rights differently. The set of human rights for a liberal is different from the set of human rights for a conservative. Hence the vehement opposition, etc. Rights are pretty basic stuff. -- ilyas \_ are there rights when it comes to economic issues? \_ Of course. For instance, a liberal might think everyone is entitled to healthcare. In fact, he might think this right trumps the property rights of others. A conservative thinks property rights are more important. It is in the specifics of what rights trump what other rights that the whole disagreement is rooted. In some sense, liberals and conservatives want the same thing (unless they are evil, or sleazy political scumbags) -- for people to be happy productive and free. But the devil's in the details. I think the ordering of rights is not entirely subjective, and there is one natural one that is 'right.' But some might say that's naive platonism. -- ilyas \_ we may have to make a distinction between the hardliners of each side versus the more moderate conservatives or liberals. \_ Still, I think the difference is the ordering of rights, and not something else. -- ilyas \_ This might be true for the difference between big business conservatives and liberals, but you have to read the bible to understand the religious conservative types. They aren't really interested in the concept of "rights" at all. It is more a matter of salvation and saving souls to them. \_ Religious conservatives may not be interested in the concept of rights, but their position implicitly defines how they view rights. For instance, most religious conservatives have a very restrictive view of rights when it comes to homosexuality, same sex marriages/unions, etc. Even if their philosophical position had been \_ [ Hi, deleting other people's replies is not cool. ] \_ FU. I always use motdedit, unlike you apparently, who frequently overwrites my posts. reached by reading the bible, and not thinking about it a whole lot, it's still a position. Some religious conservatives can give a thoughtprovoking defense of their position, so it's not easy to dismiss them. -- ilyas \_ Are you agreeing me, or what? I am saying the differences are a lot more complex than just an "ordering of rights." Not everyone agrees that being happy and free is the goal of existence. \_ Ordering rights is a lot more complex than you think. In some sense, the whole of moral philosophy can be viewed as figuring out what human rights are, and how to order them. I will go out on a limb here, and suggest than people who don't want others to be happy and free are bad people. I try not to talk to bad people. -- ilyas |
2003/12/10-11 [Politics/Domestic, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:11394 Activity:low |
12/9 http://www.npr.org/display_pages/features/feature_1537409.html NPR series on Brown vs Board. This is one of the best series produced by Nina Totenberg. I love NPR! \- But they didnt talk about how Earl Warren was a Stripper. --psb \_ Earl Warren wasn't a stripper! -ms \- You're so naive. \_ I always pictured her (Nina) as some young hottie journalist. Maybe she was one 15 years ago... \- Judy Woodruff >> N.T. |
2003/10/2-3 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:10419 Activity:nil |
10/1 Does anyone have any good urls to why Davis sucks? Democratic URLs are a plus. -reg'd dem. \_ what's the free east bay rag that has "savage love" in it? Check their website, the recent issue has an article that talks a bit about my "favorite" example of Davis's incomptetance/criminality (the oracle bribe). The funny thing is that although Davis is the worst govenor we have had in my lifetime, and is everything bad that people *think* is bad about republicans vis-a-vis big business. There is *nothing* that is known about him now that wasn't known before the last election when he was elected. \_ Simon was just a weak candidate and even so came close. \_ Yep. Simon was worse than weak. He outright lied in his attacks against Davis. Any halfway decent candidate would've beaten Davis. Blame the Repubs for that one. \_ From FTCR, more a consumer rights website, but still good stuff: http://www.ftcr.org/insurance/pr/pr003676.php3 http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/utilities/nw/nw002082.php3 Oh man, there are too many to list here. Just type "Davis" in the searchbar. \_ Is this a troll or are you serious? What state have you been living in for the last few years? The sky is still blue. \_ yes, this is serious. i see people bash davis mostly on car tax, electricity, and recently, drivers licenses for illaliens... i am looking more for the lies and big business links. \_ go see Davis and Oracle. Davis and the prison unions. Davis and the teacher's union. Davis and (insert special interest here). Anyway, you don't think the issues you came up with are more than enough? Are you a masochist? How much more abuse would you like to see inflicted on the citizens of this once great state? |
2003/6/18 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:28756 Activity:high |
6/17 Baron says WMDs will be found: http://www.defectiveyeti.com/archives/000671.html \_ They'll be found if they have to manufacture them themselves!! |
2003/1/29 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/SIG, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:27230 Activity:very high |
1/28 http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm Go ahead and keep deleting it. I will keep putting it back. \_ the truth shall set you free. I find it more accurate to search for the word "israel" in the actual letter of the law. As in here http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/query/C?c107:./temp/~c107bC8waW I've gone back a few years. Israel always get more than Egypt despite what garbage alexf spews. The truth shall set you \_ care to elaborate on this reference? (and while you're at it, give a functional url and sign your name) -alexf free. \_ israel should try giving some of the money to the arabs. |
2003/1/21-22 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:27173 Activity:moderate |
1/21 Creepy Propaganda hits the Letters to the Editor pages-- over and over again: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7308 \_ The ACLU has a (slightly) similar practice for auto-faxing your Senator / CongressMan. I've used it several times when I agreed with what they were saying. \_ it's ok when the aclu does it. it's not ok when the fascists do it. \_ No, it's creepy no matter who does it. It's great for cultists who have the same thoughts, but terrible for expressing your own ideas. \_ Why do you find blast faxing creepy? This isn't even news. It isn't even news that lazy editors print the stuff. \_ Their followup: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7340 \_ Absolutely brilliant. Thnx, --op |
2002/12/13-14 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:26808 Activity:insanely high |
12/12 Pop quiz: President Bush today announced two actions. 1. He will cut federal funds for winter heat assistance to the poorest people in America. 2. He will permit faith-based groups to use federal funds to practice religious discrimination. For 10 points, which of these actions was compassionate and which action was conservative? For 5 points extra credit, would a faith-based group include Wiccans? \_ What's wrong with this? He just wants you to pray before you get a lump of coal in your sock. \_ hey did you read that WSJ editorial about how there isn't sufficient public outrage on taxes because most really really poor people don't pay much taxes, percentage wise, humorously calling them "lucky duckies"? that was great. \_ Pop quiz: 1) you're a leftist troll or 2) you're a trolling leftist. If you could at least get the news items right without tainting the descriptions with your personal bias maybe there'd be something to talk about. You're just wasting bits like this. If you were a conservative poster you'd already have been censored. \_ Actually the news items weren't biased in any way: http://tinyurl.com/3irw - heating cuts http://tinyurl.com/3is0 - faith-based groups - note the stuff about allowing discrimination \_ I would suspect neither. He sounds more like a trolling Democrat. There is no major leftist party in the United States. Take a quick look at the leftist movement in Canada last decade if you need an accessable example. For that matter, George W. Bush is not a conservative president. The Federal government will have expanded more in his two years that the entire eight years with Clinton once the Homeland Security bill goes into effect. \_ Do you consider HRC a standard party line Democrat? She's certainly a leftist. \_ Uh huh. Who gave David Horowitz a csua account? \_ You think she's *not* a leftist? \_ Correct. Leftist is not a synonym for liberal, except to the kooks. Look up the word "leftist" in the dictionary or better yet, plug it into a search engine and see what you get. \_ Correct! Conservative and liberal no longer accurately describe either of the two dominant parties. We need new, more descriptive labels. Vote now: -- evil, good: -- miserly, shopaholic: -- machiavellian, pollyanna: . -- thieves, adulterers: -- mother grabbers, grabbing mothers: -- my side, your side: -- six, half a dozen: .. \_ No, you need to worship a real God. The Lord. Him. Wiccan? Don't they worship Satan? That will not do. It's not a real religion. \_ there are no real gods. \_ Except Tom. He's a Perl God. \_ ??? \_ no, some are integer, but most imaginary \_ "He seemed so certain about everything, didn't he? And yet none of his certainties was worth one hair of a woman's head. He wasn't even sure he was alive, because he was living like a dead man. Whereas it looked as if I was the one who'd come up emptyhanded. But I was sure about me, about everything, surer than he could ever be, sure of my life and sure of the death I had waiting for me. Yes, that was all I had. But at least I had as much of a hold on it as it had on me." --The Stranger, Albert Camus \_ Son, I say, son, quoting Camus? You might as well just bit of self-pride that we think we have will be gone before death consumes us. before death consumes us. Have you tasted death, the wave your ACLU membership card around too. \_ I'm proud of the ACLU, I think defending our civil Just the cold, the darkness and emptiness. Just the cold, the darkness and emptiness, forebolding and relentless. liberties is important. \_ so do i. what does that have to do with the ACLU though? they don't defend *my* civil liberties, but then i don't belong to some pc entitlement class. \_ To which civil liberties are you referring? \_ The right to burn a cross on my own front lawn. \_ That's not the ACLU, pal. \_ Why would you want to burn a cross on your front lawn? Is that some kind of sexual fetish? \_ Life is just like masturbation. a constant, uncontrollable search for temporal pleasures, only to find disappointments, and in the end, emptiness. \_ What the hell do Camus and the ACLU have in common? \_ Hold? Nah, we have no hold on anything. We will all come up empty-handed. It is all emptiness. Even the little bit of pride and nonchalance that we think we have will be gone before death consumes us. Have you tasted death, the feeling of life slowly but surely draining away? There is no peace. It is no rest. There is no hope. Just the cold, the darkness and emptiness, foreboding and relentlessly approaching. \_ "when masturbation's lost its fun" \_ You are right. Life is just like masturbation - a constant, uncontrollable search for temporal pleasures, only to find disappointments, and in the end, emptiness. \_ You're not doing either correctly. \_ It is not a matter of technique. It is a matter of essense. |
2002/10/23-24 [Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:26295 Activity:nil |
23.10 http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFreeMain.cfm |
2002/9/18 [Politics/Domestic/SIG, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:25922 Activity:high |
9/17 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,63370,00.html And here's the party of division and hatred reaping what it has sown. It's a karma thing, kids. If they had real policies and stood by them instead of knitting together pseudo coalitions of minorities glued together with other people's tax dollars maybe the party wouldn't be directionless and in such terrible shape today. [If you can't dispute it, DELETE IT! restored] |
2002/6/18-19 [Politics/Domestic/Immigration, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:25143 Activity:moderate |
6/18 I'm moving. Do I need to tell the IRS, DMV, etc? Is there any other agency I need to tell, like the FBI, etc? \_ mainly credit card bills, and if you are moving across State line, consider close bank accounts cuz each states has different law regulating banking which made my life relatively miserable. I have not figure out how to change address on subscribed magazine yet. Everything else, including Victoria Secret's catalog, will eventually find you without your intervention. \_ Bills, credit cards, IRS, DMV, INS, Post office, friends, banks, brokerages... \_ I don't get anything from the INS, is this necessary? \_ And magazine subscriptions and medical insurer. Also your employer so that they'll mail the W-2 to the new address. \_ All of my magazines got the new address automatically after I filled out the change of address at the post office. \_ You don't have to tell the IRS now. Tell them when you file. \_ And don't forget to have your gas/electric/phone etc turned off at your old place! \_ And cancel all the free catalogs and other junk mail at the old place. \_ as if this can be done. They'll leave it as "Or Current Resident". Spammers and junk mailers suck. \_ Worked for me. When I moved into my current house, I used to get three or four junk catalogs under the previous tenants' names in one day. I called them up one by one to cancel, and I also wrote to http://www.dma.org using the previous tenants' names as well as my name. Now the junk catalogs are down to about one a week. \_ that's http://www.the-dma.org \_ Oops. \_ Don't forget your probation officer. \_ You can't move without his permission anyway. \_ and, of course, the selective service, if you're still of draft age \_ What's the draft age now? \_ I believe it's still 18-25. Got yer gun or are all you America-last types going to flee the country? \_ Are green card holders subject to draft? \- they were, but at "low priority". but this does seem a little pecular since i believe "service in a foreign military" is one of the grounds on which you can lose your citizenship. --psb \_ Deportation and imprisonment. \_ Even *non* green card holders can be subjected to the draft, and hence, in many cases, are required to register with selective service. Otherwise, you may have problem if and when you decide to get your green card or citizenship. Doesn't make too much sense to me. It's like American expatriates in say Singapore being required to be drafted when there is a war in Singapore. On the other hand, I doubt many people are worried about being drafted in the US given it's low probability and low death rate. Why not be a "patriot" when so little is at risk. \_ Yeah, my being a pacifist pales in comparison to the prospect of being unpatriotic. \_ You talk the talk, but have you walked the walk? \_ Megan's law requires you to register with your local law enforcement agency. \_ heh |
2002/5/7-8 [Politics/Domestic/SIG, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:24747 Activity:very high |
5/7 Two airliner crashed in one day. Oh my. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&ncid=578&e=1&u=/nm/20020507/ts_nm/tunisia_egypt_plane_dc http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&ncid=716&e=1&u=/ap/20020507/ap_on_re_as/china_plane_crash \_ The end is near! \_ It is said that flying has fewer accidents per passenger mile than driving. What about number of accidents per passenger trip? Thx. \_ good luck finding anti-airline statistics. The airlines do a better job on interpreting statistics than the NRA and tobacco industries. \_ The anti-gun crowd is even better at misinterpreting or flat out inventing statistics. 5/7 Implications of DMCA Anti-circumvention Rules for Research Dr. Pamela Samuelson SIMS, UC Berkeley May 8 , 2002 4:00-5:00 p.m. Hewlett Packard Auditorium, 306 Soda Hall EECS Joint Colloquium Distinguished Lecture Series \_ mp3 whore! Hundreds of gigs! Free Warez! Woo hoo! divx! yes! \_ um, I've taken 2 classes with Samuelson, Law 276.1 (digital law) and SIMS 231 (IP Law). She's good; she knows what she doesn't know, and sticks to teaching what she does know, and researches what she doesn't. So open your mind you closed source fuck. \_ Closed source? You're an idiot. Open vs. Closed source has nothing to do with copyright law, you moron. In fact, if you had the slightest clue you'd know the GPL _relies_ on and _uses_ copyright law to protect GPL'd code. Fucking dumbshit stupid loudmouth moronic geek you should go and ask her what the GPL is for starters and then you can come back to the motd and beg forgiveness for being so stupid and ignorant. \_ You forgot to take your lithium today. \_ Maybe but at least I know wtf I'm talking about. \_ actually, you missed the whole point. But we expect this from the motd arguments. \_ it would be good if we got rid of the motd. \_ we also expect people to claim someone else missed the point without saying what point they were failing to get across and then blame the reader. e190 |
2002/3/19 [Politics/Domestic/SIG, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:24158 Activity:high |
3/19 Can somebody post some decent analysis of McCain's finance reform bill?Every article I read mentions loopholes, but what are they? \_ McCain's finance reform is meant to sink the NRA. \_ Corps will give soft money to non-party groups and unions, who will runs ads instead of the parties. And the unconstitutional ad ban will be overturned by the supremes. OR individuals can still give money to candidates, so if they lower the limit to $1 (though CFR raises to $5000), the CEO of BigOil who gave pol a dollar was still trying to by his vote and created "an appearance of impropriety." CFR is like trying to ban politics, cuz it's all in the eye of the spinner. But CFR should pass because it's reform and better than letting McConnell, et al. win. -republican for gov't financed elections \_ Government financed elections? Hardly. Who says who qualifies for the millions of dollars it takes to get the word out? People with enough support? How do you register that support? Petitions? That costs money. By not letting the public participate in elections, it would be even harder for a non-incumbent to get name recognition. The last thing we need is government financed elections. What a nightmare. -republican in favor of smaller government and 1st amendment |
2001/9/16 [Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:22490 Activity:high |
9/15 Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson say that the abortionists, the ACLU and gays and lesbians are to blame for the WTC bombing: http://www.pfaw.org/news/press//2001-09-13.320.phtml \_ it is disgusting that at this time, he can think of nothing better than to push his own religious, bigoted agenda. So much for American solidarity. It's funny that both he and the anti-American Islamic fundamentalists say that the attack is a punishment from God. \_ hopefully this will whittle away further at their constituency \_ Never underestimate the power of stupid people. -geordan in large groups. _/ \_ why read when you can hear it from the horses's asses? http://www.demonics.org/~brooke/falwell.mp3 |
2001/9/16 [Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:22474 Activity:nil |
9/15 Falwell blames the ACLU: http://www.monkey.org/~billfant/falwell.mp3 |
2000/12/22-23 [Reference/BayArea, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:20155 Activity:high |
12/21 Why are people anti-union? Every human product is ambiguous, that doesn't mean we forbid ourselves from creation. Liquor is good (relaxation, thinning blood), liquor is bad (insert standard args). What it means is simple to state, but difficult to enact: we must be aware of both sides of the story, and relaize that both have merit. \_ Communism, socialism, naziism, totalitarianism and right wing fanatics are bad. They are evil. They have no redeeming qualities. There is no two sides to this story. Supressing the rights of the one in favor of the rights of the many is wrong. There is no two sides to that story. Get you head out of your arse. \_ Union != Communism. Union != Socialism. Union != Naziism. Union != Totalitarianism. Banning unions requires you ammend the constitution to nullify the freedom of assembly. That is one of the elements to communism, socialism, naziism, and totalitarianism \_ As a concept I'm not opposed to unions. I think people need to have a place to go to make sure things like worker safety are taken care of. The reality is that unions today really only focus on themselves as a political entity and not worker safety, rights, or anything else unless worker benefits just happen to coincide with the betterment of the union. \_ Unions are based on socialistic principles about "collective" power and "workers" rights. These things are directly opposed to individual freedoms and the free market system. \_ "Big business is based on capitalistic principles about "profit" and "corporate" rights. These things are directly opposed to individual freedoms and the free market system (since it's not in business' interests to have free markets--c.f. Microsoft)" \_ Monopolies are opposed to individual rights, but in a true free market a monopoly will not last for long. Microsoft got to where it is at because its competition made mistakes. Microsoft is slow losing ground, and its not because of the government. Its because they have made missteps in strategy allowing competitors to gain ground. If you don't like MS vote with your $s. That's what I do. \_ Nah. Unions are not necessarily bad. Unions empower the individual against the collective power of big businesses. Critical to the health of democracies is the ability and freedom for individuals to form various organizations including religious organizations such as churches, professional organizations such as IEEE, recreational/ hobby organizations such as your local Linsux chapter, and finally organizations like the Sierra Club or NRA and also labor unions. These organizations give individuals support and a collective voice in the issues they care for. The membership should be at will. Observe that dictators and authoritarian regimes hate these kind of organizations and will always try to destroy or control them. The Walesa-led union was hated by the Polish communist regime back in the Soviet era, and the china commies hate the local churches and even the falungong. Authoritarian and undemocratic Singapore does not allow unions except for a government- controlled one. Without such organizations, the individual is isolated, and powerless, and subject to abuse and oppression by the only organization left - the government. Unions help to balance the power of another type of organization that sometimes abuses the individual - i.e. big businesses. Come to think of it, it is arguable that Singapore and present-day China are two countries when an authoritarian government and big businesses collude to abuse and exploit the individuals. Big Business helps individuals generate _/ wealth. Unions don't help anyone generate anything. Big Business is what powers the countries prosperity, not Unions. Unions leach the profits of Big Buiness. Business free and unrestrained by bureaucrats and union bosses is critical for the health democracy, freedom, liberty, prosperity. Unions seek to destroy what good Business has created. \_ Yes. Because we all know that unions segments. Thanks. have a vested interest in destroying good business. Pull you fucking head out of your ass and grow a brain you moron. Unions are a vehicle for bargaining. Everyone bargains for employment compensation, not just UAW workers and other blue collar workers. No shit, unions aren't designed to generate profits the same way water isn't used to fuel cars. Maybe if looked "union" up in a dictionary you'd understand. Unions are guaranteed by the first ammendment. If you're suggesting banning unions then you certainly have no respect for our democracy and freedom. \_ Please don't break what I wrote into segments. Thanks. I agree with you that big business is great, generally speaking. \_ "Big business is based on capitalistic principles about "profit" and "corporate" rights. These things are directly opposed to individual freedoms and the free market system (since it's not in business' interests to have free markets--c.f. Microsoft)" \_ Monopolies are opposed to individual rights, but in a true free market a monopoly will not last for long. \_ Ah yes, the magical invisible hand of the market. Do you *ever* use your brain? -tom Microsoft got to where it is at because its competition made mistakes. Microsoft is slow losing ground, and its not because of the government. Its because they have made missteps in strategy allowing competitors to gain ground. If you don't like MS vote with your $s. That's what I do. \_ they try to hurt scabs and that is anti-competitive. \_ That's wrong and the people who practice such should be shot. But that's not the premise of unions or collective bargaining. \_ Membership in a Union is different than membership in the IEEE or the NRA or a given religious institution. 1. In no industry is IEEE or NRA membership required for getting or keeping your job. Try to be non union in the automotive or trucking or teaching industries and see how long you last. (They will force you out or get you to join). \_ Please don't compare IEEE to the NRA. There's a stark difference in the practices in civility and political influence between the two groups. \_ sidenly i am wondering how many IEEE members are in the NRA...Based on what ive seen i'll bet its alot more than the average number for a random group of people. \_ Probably not. IEEE members are not the "I love god and my family and go to church with ma girlfriend every Sunday. On weekdays my ma and pa come to ma school and watch me play football cause I'm the star quaterback. Then me and ma buds hop in my Chevrolet and guy hunting on the weekends. When I go to Texas A&M Iam going to go join the Army ROTC and serve ma country and God. Ma idol is George W. Bush. Because he believes in family values." type people. How many IEEE members do you know have the Hank Hill personality and aspire to taking over the family farm? \_ The NRA doesn't advocate threatening or maiming non-NRA members in times of dispute. The IEEE doesn't either. Unions do. That's the point. \_ Some unions do, others don't. That's the point. 2. The IEEE and the NRA do not engage in activities like strikes, picketing, mass violence. These are anti-competitive terrorist measures designed to exploit business owners. \_ Union == organization that provide a means of collective bargaining. Union != terrorism Union != strikes (sometimes they do but that's not the premise) Union != Mass violence Everyone pickets. Republicans picket, democrats picket, pro-lifers picket, pro-choicers picket, hippies picket, anti-gays picket. \_ The means of bargaining is terrorism, strikers, mass violence. Union bosses uses thier lazy bum union members to incite violence against management and customers so that management will pay thier ransom quicker and all the Union members can get back to sitting on thier arses. Wonder why all the jobs are going overseas? Its because most US workers hate hard work, they all want to get paid sitting around being idle. Business can't afford this. \_ I didn't see any violence in the United Airlines union. \_ which one. pilots,flight attendants, \_ I dare you to say that to a UAL Flight Attendant. mechanics, etc have separate unions. additionally, UAL flight attendants are represented by a different union than say Delta, for instance. 3. Union derived benefits for workers are like ransom derived from hapless kidnap victims. The market provides sufficient working conditions, Union employees would prefer to sit on thier arses and get paid rather than work, which is why they are always striking. \_ I dare you to say that to a UAL Flight Attendant. Unions are a unholy menace to liberty and freedom populated by lazy bums and lead by communists and socialist who want to do away with the free market in favor of state control of everything. They want a world where every man is equal because every man is a poor pathetic slob without hope. I prefer the American dream, where every man is equal because every man is rich with the hope of achieving all that he wants. \_ Unions are bad because the mob tends to control them. Enuff said. \_ As opposed to presidential elections. \_ In a perfect world, Unions would form to empower the workers and make the workplaces more tolerable, and then they would dissolve until they were needed again. In our world, unions form to solve problems, then their officers get used to the power they wield, and they refuse to dissolve the union, seeking instead to increase their power and influence. More often than not, what we need are unions to depose the corrupt and corpulent unions that now exist. --erikred \_ but of course none of the businesses are corrupt or coruplent. \_ Bingo! Give that man a prize! \_ You've been watching too many movies. People don't like unions because the "traditional" union supported promotion and benefits by seniority as opposed to skill/performance. Think "tenure." Plus unions try to get the most from their employers which sometimes means they conflict. Most people would accept some pain to avoid conflict. A repo man spends his life getting into tense situations. \_ MORE! MORE! MORE! |
2000/11/14 [Recreation/Computer, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:19773 Activity:high |
11/14 Yes we're all tired of election crap but you can check out this: <DEAD>madison.hss.cmu.edu<DEAD> for a scientific approach to the palm beach question. \_ Perhaps, but this doesn't change the fact that recounting selected counties is bad practice designed to put Gore in the white house. \_ yeah. in fact the entire electoral process was bad practice designified to put gore in the white house. -- junior \_ No. In order for the recount to be meaningful it must be complete, not partial. Gore doesn't want a complete recount, since that wouldn't really help him. \_ As a student I worked in the Stat. Dept. The one book you found in most grad student offices was titled, "How to lie with statistics". Being rather naive at the time, I found the mere existence of such a thing shocking. That so many grad students owned a copy left me speechless. --Naive no more \_ I think you might have misunderstood the point of this book. The point of the book is not to teach the reader how to lie with statistics in order to deceive others. Instead the book discusses many ways to misrepresent statistics so that the reader can recognize when such tricks are used and prevent himself from being deceived. It's an excellent book. -emin \_ where can I get a copy of that book? - never took stat \_ url: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0393310728/qid=974189709/sr=1-2/102-9687828-6208930 |
2000/11/10-11 [Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:19723 Activity:very high |
11/10 If Green Party has its own way, would we be forced to drive expensive electric cars, pay an exorbitant amount of rent because of land conservation, and pay $500 yearly to support the Sierra Club? \_ $500 yearly for the sierra club? HAH! the IRS would be paying the sierra club for you, from the 10% sierra club income tax. \_ http://www.greenparty.org/Platform.html \_ Don't be stupid. Stop slandering the left and go read their platform. \_ Yeah. There platform discredits them more than anyone else ever could. \_ It's "Their" dumbass. I can see why you like Bush. |
2000/10/4 [Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:19408 Activity:nil |
10/04 Is it REALLY true that Republicans are mostly SIG (special interest group) aging Caucasians? |
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