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| 2004/6/3 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:30567 Activity:insanely high |
6/3 Almost every single person I personally know are in California,
and every single one of them hates Bush. Having this said, how come
the poll still shows that Bush/Kerry are neck to neck? In another
word, how come people outside of California like Bush? What did
Bush do for them?
\_ Do a google search on: "Pauline Kael" McGovern
\_ Gah, why bother even asking here? You're not going to get a
coherent answer, and even if you do, it will instantly be drowned
out by a bunch of name calling. Oh wait, its the motd, maybe you're
just trolling.
\_ Move to Orange County.
\_ I know a lot of people who don't exactly love Bush, but are
tolerant of him because they really don't like Kerry or other
Democrats. They live in CA. In the last election a lot of
people in CA voted for Bush.
\_ I predict Bush will win California in a landslide!
\_ troll. Let's see: I live in the liberal part of a liberal state and
I don't understand why I don't know any Bush supporters! Let's see,
I hate Bush and I hate him loudly and refuse to talk to anyone who
doesn't hate him and I wonder aloud why I don't know any Bush
supporters... troll.
\_ California has a very different economic/social makeup
than the rest of the nation. It has been fucked by
Bush's friends (Enron) and the little guys here have
benefited very little from Bush's administration.
Furthermore it receives less % of the share of Federal
aide than the other states. If anything, California
should at least attempt a Declaration of Causes
of Secession
\_ CA has received a lesser % of federal money than other
states for decades. This is suddenly Bush's fault? Did
you bitch about that from 1992-2000 and blame that
President for it at the time? Did he do anything for the
little guys in CA? Presidents don't do shit for the
little guys, the big states or anyone else. That isn't
their job. If you want a sugar daddy, go to SF, drop
your pants and someone will be along in a minute or two
to give you a few bucks.
\_ Is this really true? I would like to see some
statistics about this. I suspect CA used to get
its fair share back in the 70s and has been
on a downward trend since then, but I am interested
in seeing actual facts.
\_ BushCo would love that: military invasion of Cali,
followed by suspension of Statehood and negation of
those juicy anti-Bush electoral votes.
\_ Tinfoil. Hat. Nutter. Prozac.
\_ Are you really so fucking stupid to think that
post is serious?
\_ With MOTD righties, it's sometimes hard to tell.
\_ Don't tell me you're still trying.
\_ would california be a good place to fight a
guerilla war? like we have mountains, big cities,
small towns, farming communities, rivers, deserts,
etc. should be fun. hey, we may actually have
some real WMDs somewhere.
\_ Our real enemy is not Bush but Bush supporters.
\_ "Our"? Who is "us"? Enemies of the United States? Pro-Soviet
trolls who cry for loss of Stalin or maybe China's Mao? 'Enemy'
is a harsh word. You turn politics into a death match with
words like that. You can't afford to lose a death match. I'm
one of the people you declare as an "enemy" but I don't see you
as such. I only see you as young and misguided and not earning
enough to get pissed off when you see your taxes being spent on
buying votes at the next election which is the best way to kill
a democracy or republic. I'm not your enemy.
\_ No, actually, you are. I've been tracking you for years now,
and I will not give up now that I'm so close, so very, very
close. Your time is coming, Moriarty.
\_ Coulter and Savage has been calling anyone who disagrees
\_ I'm busted! But you shall not have me before I destroy
all of London when the bomb goes off in Old Ben!
\_ Coulter and Savage have been calling anyone who disagrees
with them "traitors" for a long time. Perhaps you should
work on muzzling the voices of hate on the right.
\_ That's it? That's the best you've got? A second rate
author and talk show personality and a third rate local
radio host? How about you start at the top of your party,
then go to the NAACP, http://moveon.org, Soros, Hillary, Gore,
Kennedy, and I guess Kerry doesn't matter. You can keep
Kerry. He's useless to you.
\_ When have any of those people referred to the Republican
Party as "the enemy" or traitors? Oh, they haven't.
I guess that shoots down your theory about who
the haters are. Add Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reilly
and half of Congress to the Republican Hate Machine.
\_ You and your friends are not a representative statistical sample of
the population. Beware anecdotal statistics. -emarkp
\_ I view liberalism (not classical) as a pernicious evil
engendered by communism and secularism that has
steadily eroded the foundation of this country. Maybe this
explains to you why I consider the GOP the lesser of two
evils and why I will never ever ever sincerely vote for a Dem.
And I live in Berkeley.
\_ I view you as a Berkeley kook.
\_ What is wrong with secularism?
\_ Hitler, Mao, Stalin ... were all atheists. WWII and Cold War
were effectively wars of theism vs. atheism.
\_ Hitler wasn't an atheist. He just wasn't a Christian.
Furthermore we allied ourselves with Stalin who did the
main work of defeating Hitler. The cold war was a war of
capitalism vs. command economies. But that was just how it
was waged; the real cause was the USSR's imperialistic
behavior.
"An educated man retains the sense of the mysteries of
nature, and bows before the unknowable. An uneducated man,
on the other hand, runs the risk of going over to atheism
(which is a return to the state of the animal) as soon as
he perceives that the state, in sheer opportunism, is
making use of false ideas in the matter of religion,
whilst in other fields it bases everything on pure
science."
...
"If in the course of 1-2,000 years science arrives at the
necessity of renewing its points of view, that will not
mean that science is a liar. Science cannot lie, for it's
always striving, according to the momentary state of
knowledge, to deduce what is true. When it makes a
mistake, it does so in good faith. It's Christianity which
is the liar; it's in perpetual conflict with itself."
\_ Quite a few vocal white supremacists live in Berkeley. |
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