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2008/9/18-23 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51228 Activity:nil
9/18    Obama's lies.  How can you trust anything Obama says?
        http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/from-the-fact-1.html
        \_ Sorry, this isn't even the same as the crap McCain/Palin are
           pulling.  It is an ugly attack ad.  And ugly attack ads are sad.
           But it isn't anywhere nearly as mendacious as McCain has been.
           Oh and I'm sorry, the Republican party can't try to run away
           from the fact that it's media presence is extremely xenophobic
           and anti-Mexican.  Nor does it help that McCain reverses himself
           on these issues regularly.
           \_ Sorry, but you'll have to try harder to justify this one.
              Do you really think this is the sort of thing we need in the
              White House?  Misleading distortions and pandering to the fears
              of immigrants but representing himself completely differently
              depending on what group of people he addresses?
              \_ So you don't think the Republican party has been aggessivly
                 anti-Mexican when it helps their cause?  Really?  From that
                 same blog post: "McCain has changed his rhetoric and his
                 emphasis when discussing immigration after almost losing
                 the GOP presidential nomination because of it."  A nice way
                 of saying that McCain will say anything that sounds good.
                 \_ Do you think McCain has been?  He's been the most
                    aggressive supporter of amnesty in the Senate.
                    \_ And yet he is now pandering to the Republican base
                       because his old views aren't popular.  That's what
                       "changed his rhetoric" means.  Just like the old
                       McCain was anti religious fundementalism but the
                       new McCain is happy to jump into bed with creeps
                       like Hagee.  Pandering to the base does make you
                       responsible for what that base says.
                       \_ McCain has said since the public outcry that we have
                          to secure the border before immigration reform can be
                          readdressed.  How is this pandering to "the base"?
                          80% of the country agrees with this.
                          \_ Where did you pull that number from?
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Jake Tapper is ABC News' Senior National Correspondent based in the network's Washington bureau. He writes about politics and popular culture and covers a range of national stories. they made us feel marginalized in this country we love so much." stupid and unskilled Mexicans" --Rush Limbaugh "You shut your mouth or you get out!" and another, even worse, that continues the policies of George Bush that put special interests ahead of working families. There are some real factual problems with this ad, which is titled "Dos Caras," or two faces. McCain - especially on the issue of immigration reform - to Limbaugh is unfair. And in a larger sense, it's unfair to link McCain to Limbaugh on a host of issues since Limbaugh, as any even occasional listener of his knows, doesn't particularly care for McCain. Railing against NAFTA in 1993, Limbaugh said, "If you are unskilled and uneducated, your job is going south. Skilled workers, educated people are going to do fine 'cause those are the kinds of jobs NAFTA is going to create. If we are going to start rewarding no skills and stupid people, I'm serious, let the unskilled jobs that take absolutely no knowledge whatsoever to do -- let stupid and unskilled Mexicans do that work." Not one of his most eloquent moments, to be sure, but his larger point was that NAFTA would mean that unskilled stupid Mexicans would be doing the jobs of unskilled stupid Americans. I'm not going to defend how he said it, but to act as if this was just a moment of Limbaugh slurring Mexicans is not accurate. Though again, certainly if people were offended I could understand why. he wrote: "Everybody's making immigration proposals these days. Call it The Limbaugh Laws: "First: If you immigrate to our country, you have to speak the native language. Also, there will be no special bilingual programs in the schools with the Limbaugh Laws. No government business will be conducted in your language. Foreigners will not have the right to vote or hold political office. "If you're in our country, you cannot be a burden to taxpayers. You are not entitled to welfare, food stamps, or other government goodies. You can come if you invest here: an amount equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage. As a foreigner, you must relinquish individual rights to the property. "And another thing: You don't have the right to protest. You're allowed no demonstrations, no foreign flag waving, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our President or his policies. Well, every one of the laws I just mentioned are actual laws of Mexico today! That' how the Mexican government handles immigrants to their country. Yet Mexicans come here illegally and protest in our streets! In the November 2007, Myrtle Beach Sun-News, McCain said of the DREAM Act, which he had cosponsored in the past, "I think it has certain virtues associated with it. And I think other things have virtues associated with it. But the message is they want the borders secured first." The newspaper noted that McCain said he'd vote against a temporary worker program, even though he supports the idea. "I will vote against anything until we secure the borders," he said. "There is no way we're going to enact piecemeal immigration reform." Before La Raza, McCain was asked by a young Latina if he'd support the DREAM Act, and he said, "Yes. The full exchange, however, goes like this: QUESTIONER: Hi. I'm a part of One Dream 2009 and I am one of the 6 million who either have an undocumented parent or is undocumented and I wanted to know if you would support humanity all around the world and support our Dream Act that we are trying to pass. And a nation's first requirement is the nation's security, and that's why we have to have our borders secured. But, we can have a way and a process of people obtaining citizenship in this country. And, we cannot penalize people who come here legally and people who wait legally. And so, that's a fundamental principle on which we have to operate. The Obama campaign also provided a number of seemingly conflicting comments McCain has made about offering greater funding for education programs in the No Child Left Behind act -- telling the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials in June that he "would fully fund those programs that have never been fully funded," while not suggesting any greater funding for the bill when he's talked about education in front of whiter audiences. That ignores the fact that McCain has suggested reallocating the way the $23 billion for NCLB is spent. McCain has changed his rhetoric and his emphasis when discussing immigration after almost losing the GOP presidential nomination because of it. He now says the borders must be secured before anything else happens. 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But here's some news, liberals: it's becoming more and more clear to Americans that you -- along with your sleazy lying leftist issue-dodging Democrat hack politicians -- you are the actual racists, bigots, and dividers of this country. Misdirection, condescension, manipulation of facts, race-baiting, and hypocrisy aren't working so well anymore though, are they? You libs are becoming transparent in your bigotry and dishonesty. Posted by: Yosemite Fudd | Sep 18, 2008 7:10:08 PM Obama is becoming deranged and how refreshing is it to see Republicans finally striking back at all the garbage the the left has spewed? Posted by: Kathy | Sep 18, 2008 7:08:21 PM Limbaugh was quoting BRUTAL MEXICAN IMMIGRATION LAW AND THE HOSTILE HYPOCRISY WHEN ILLEGALS PICKET OUR LAWS Posted by: Raj Mujahadeen | Sep 18, 2008 7:07:50 PM Did Limbaugh say it? Is Limbaugh a proud representative of the Republican party? Will McCain stand up to racist anti-immigrant factions in the Republican party? Posted by: Not at all inaccurate | Sep 18, 2008 7:05:05 PM Whatever the issues are, it's a breath of fresh air to see the facts reported clearly and without the sleazoid spin that so much of the American media is falling into in this election season. Posted by: carolyn | Sep 18, 2008 6:55:10 PM Why this surprises ABC is beyond me. Let's see he put out an ad that he wrote legislation to extend health care to our soldiers. He didn't write it, he didn't introduce it, he didn't even vote on it. Let's see he said he didn't want extensive sex education taught to 5 year olds. Then let's just wander over to SIECUS and take a look at level 1 For ages 5 to 8 Here's a little sampling of what will be taught to 5 year olds. Vaginal intercourse - when a penis is placed inside a vagina - is the most common way for a sperm and egg to join. When a woman is pregnant, the fetus grows inside her body in her uterus. A woman can be pregnant with more than one fetus at a time. Babies usually come out of a woman's body through an opening called a vagina. Human beings can love people of the same gender and people of another gender. Some people are heterosexual, which means they can be attracted to and fall in love with someone of another gender. Touching and rubbing one's own genitals to feel good is called masturbation. Posted by: Diana | Sep 18, 2008 6:54:42 PM Refreshing to hear national news media in factual discussion! Take the lead, be fair, and win the millions of disillusioned readers. Rep...