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2000/11/13-14 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19760 Activity:high
11/13   Al Gore's actions are making me respect Richard Nixon's decision
        in 1960 vs John F. Kennedy.
        \_ Republicans are so funny.  The exits polls all showed Gore
           winning Florida comfortably.  First Bush wants to keep things
           \_ You're citing inaccuate exit polling as proof?  get real.
              \_ DUH! ABC News and CNN *GAVE* Florida to GORE. Just
                 because the people seem to have vote differently is
                 no reason to take it back.
           out of the courts, then he files suit.  First he wants the
           electoral process to run it's course, now his bother's
           secretary of state is imposing bullshit deadlines.  You
           are all fucking hypocrites who want to win so bad that you
           are willing to overlook the most important issue: whoever
           got the most votes in Florida should win Florida's EV.
           \_ Democrats are so funny.
              First Gore says "I'll abide by the outcome of the votes,
              no matter which way". Then he gets a recount. Now he's
              taking it TO COURT.
              "You all fucking hypocrites who want to win so bad that you
              are willing to overlook the most important issue: whoever
              got the most votes in Florida should win Florida's EV."
              Hint: That's BUSH.
        \_ why?  he got several of his aides to investigate the success
           probability of winning the election by a recount.
           the election wasn't as close electoral vote wise.
           he probably determined it wasn't worth it, and
           gracefully decided not to sue, saving himself time
           and making himself look good.  nixon also spent every
           moment of his life after resigning trying to recast
           himself as a noble elder statesman, it looks like his
           efforts succeeded.
                \_ Gore helped.
        \_ Asking for a recount?  Gore could well win.  He's not accusing
           anyone of fraud, just questioning the accuracy of the votes
           counted.  Was the Nixon/Kennedy electin within 300 votes of
           5M?  --PeterM
           \_ 2 recounts already favor bush.. now Gore wants a hand
           recount so he could get his cronies to fix it.
           \_ Trying to "clean" the results to fit his desired outcome.
              At this point it looks like Gore is willing to take the
              Presidency by ANY MEANS NECESSARY!
                \_ you've provided no argument whatsoever that he's
                trying to "clean" the results.
                  \_ What argument?  Jesus Christ!  Take Stat 2!!!  This
                     _should_ be common sense.  No one needs to make a case
                     for whether or not he's cleaning the results.  Gore's
                     team says that's *exactly* what they're doing.  Where
                     are you getting your news from?
                \_ How about "We'll keep recounting the votes until I WIN!"
        \_ Weird how it took a low life like Gore to make the country
                \
                /
           resurrect Nixon as a good man.  I think Nixon was total scum,
           especially after reading some of the tape transcripts, but in
           comparison, he was clearly the better man.  I can't believe I'm
           writing that Nixon was a better man than anyone... what has become
           of our country?
           \_ Watergate brought out the worst side of Nixon. Until that time
              he was a fairly decent man. Everyone has an inner daemon, it
              would be wrong to judge Nixon based only on one (albeit fatal
              flaw).
                \_ I read the tape transcripts.  Nixon was a total lowlife,
                   lower than a mere inner demon could account for.  Gore has
                   proven himself worse.  I still can't believe I'm saying
                   this:  Nixon isn't the lowest man ever in high office in
                   this country.  Gore is.  I'm saddened at the thought this
                   egomaniac might manage to steal the Presidency....
        \_ Before everyone starts LIONIZING Nixon, please read and get the
           facts straight so you're all not REWRITING HISTORY.
           http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/10/nixon/index.html
           \_ Funny.  I got ragged on for using Wired News to quote statements
              Gore made recently in public.  Wired News, a place run by SF
              leftists at the time.  But here someone else thinks that Salon
              is a good source to use for discussing history of 40 years ago?
              Don't quote crap like Salon.
        \_ http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/3/0,5716,57373+3,00.html
           \_ The http://britannica.com article leads me to infer that http://salon.com
              is re-writing history.  I really can't believe http://salon.com,
              here; is there a better source?
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By Gerald Posner - - - - - - - - - - November 10, 2000 | One of the most oft-repeated myths in the aftermath of the current presidential election disputes is the claim that Vice President Al Gore should behave more like Richard Nixon, who is cited frequently for having graciously decided not to pursue legal remedies in response to possible voter fraud that might have cost him the 1960 election with John Kennedy. But the notion that Nixon graciously exited is just false. Some states -- like California -- initially fell into Kennedy's electoral count, but were reversed almost two weeks later after absentee ballots were counted. But the core questions about the election centered on rumors of fraud, primarily in Illinois, where Democratic Mayor Richard Daley's powerful political machine controlled voter-heavy Chicago, and Texas, where vice presidential candidate Lyndon Johnson was a senator. After the election, when Illinois went for Kennedy by fewer than 9,000 votes, and Texas by just over 40,000, Republicans cried foul. Yet, contrary to modern memory, Nixon and his Republican allies still mounted a massive vote challenge. My own research into this issue has been independently confirmed by others, such as David Greenberg 44 writing in Slate . It is true that Nixon did quickly concede the election to Kennedy. And while he was careful not to put a public imprimatur on the concerted Republican effort to challenge the election results, he privately not only authorized it, but actively encouraged it. A conservative journalist and close Nixon friend, Earl Mazo, of the New York Herald Tribune, launched a press frenzy over possible voter fraud. Attorneys and the FBI, and even impaneled grand juries in their quest to get a different election result. A slew of lawsuits were filed by Republicans, and unsuccessful appeals to state election commissions routinely followed. However, all their efforts failed to uncover any significant wrongdoing. In Illinois, for instance, the final recount showed that Nixon's votes had been undercounted by 943 -- yet, in 40 percent of the rechecked precincts, it turned out that Nixon's vote had been overcounted. They then appealed to the State Board of Elections, which also rejected their claims. Similar results, and extended fights, took place in Texas and New Jersey among other states. In Hawaii, Republican efforts had the unintended result of reversing the state's electoral votes from Nixon to Kennedy. Although Republicans continued to insist that Illinois and Texas had somehow figured out a way to cheat and still pass a recount, they never produced hard evidence of widespread impropriety. For over a month, the Republican efforts were aggressive and widespread. That Nixon was clever enough to allow his aides and political friends to do the work on his behalf -- while officially seeming to remove himself from the fray -- should not let Americans have amnesia about what really happened in the wake of the 1960 vote. If the current rallying cry of Republicans is that Al Gore should behave like Richard Nixon did in 1960, that is precisely what he is doing -- strongly making every effort to ensure that the final vote was fair and correct. Sound Off Send us a 45 Letter to the Editor shim 46 salon | 47 search | 48 premium | 49 tabletalk | 50 the WELL | 51 about salon | 52 report error | 53 about the directory shim Reproduction of material from any Salon pages without written permission is strictly prohibited Copyright 2003 Salon Media Group, Inc.
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