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| 2010/1/14-25 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:53632 Activity:nil |
1/14 http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20100113/ts_csm/273734 "It's of little relative importance, given the magnitude of the human suffering in and around the Haitian capital of Port-au-Prince, but China's search-and-rescue team was the first to reach there Thursday, preceding US teams by a couple of hours." Oh no, they got there first even though the are many more hours away. The Chicom is going to make a big deal out of this. |
| 2009/10/7-21 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President] UID:53432 Activity:low |
10/7 'Whatever' so totally tops most annoying word poll - Yahoo! News:
http://www.csua.org/u/p80
\_ Whatever
\_ You are obviously not hanging with the cool kids. It's
"whatevs"
\_ Don't forget to throw up both thumbs and index fingers
together to make a "W". |
| 2009/8/19-9/1 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:53286 Activity:nil |
8/18 Creator of '60 Minutes' Don Hewitt dies - Yahoo! News Photos:
http://www.csua.org/u/ous
What's going on? Was Bill saying "No you can't take my bitch away!"? |
| 2009/6/30-7/15 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:53100 Activity:nil |
6/30 It appears that the coup in Honduras was ordered by the court and
the congress to head off an illegal constitutional refferendum by
the prez to make himself dictator for life. So, why does the Obama
administration oppose this? Am I missing something?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124623220955866301.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090628/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_honduras_referendum
\_ Because he was still legally president at the time. Illegal
referendum = court throws it out and president may well be
impeached. It doesn't mean the millitary comes in and kicks
out the sitting president. A coup is not rule of law.
\_ Since the prez lead a mob to attack the military installation
holding the ballots, I think he was pretty much already starting
his own coup. Directly throwing him out may not have been
the perfectly legal solution, but it certainly makes sense
given the circumstances.
\_ The Journal is a Murdoch tool, especialy the Opinion section.
\_ And the AP article? (That's why I posted both.)
\_http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/jul/09/phone-hacking-inquiries
Murdoch is having his papers tap the phones of opposition
politians in Britian. Think he isn't doing the same here? |
| 2009/6/29-7/15 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:53085 Activity:nil |
6/29 Motd archiver is up and running:
http://csua.com/24/?incr=1&local=0
\_ I like the shiny interface! Write support would be neat ;)
Maybe even with authentication... - steven
\_ I can write a "bridge" between a text motd and a more
modern web version. Something that writes/deletes one, and
makes changes to the other version. The text version will be
good for old farts and the new version will be good for
people born after 1985 who can't use vi/emacs /etc/motd.public.
Is that what you're thinking of? -kchang
\_ Something like that, yeah. I'm trying to think of ways
to make it more accessible to new members. It's sad
that they aren't as comfortable with a shell but that's
how it's going (and it's not getting any better...)
\_ Just lose the MOTD and put up a bulletin board. -tom |
| 2009/4/27-5/4 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:52914 Activity:low |
4/27 "Obama the first Asian-American president?"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090427/pl_afp/uspoliticsobama100daysasia
Just like the way Clinton was the first African-American president.
\_ Two wars, a banking, housing, and general economic crisis, a truly
massive deficit, and now, Swine Flu. Has any president except for
Lincoln and Roosevelt faced worse?
\_ Clinton faced impeachment for an affair with an intern who was
fat and who wasn't even pretty compared to the average
twenty-something. IMO that was worse.
\_ The two situations don't even seem comparable to me. One
is a media "crisis", whereas the wars, economy, deficit, and
flu are real threats to the country. Even Nixon's situation
wasn't so dire a threat the the country: that was just
removal of a criminal from office, not "jeesus, we're
all fucked."
\_ just curious, what made you write this response with
any degree of seriousness? - !pp
\_ A cynical belief that a lot of people REALLY DO
think that sexual pecadillos such as Clinton's
are that important. Look who voted for Bush in the
last election. Rabid religiousity is rampant in
this country, to our great detriment, and I know
from experience that motd commentators are not
all immune from religious rabies.
\_ See the post on "Who would Jesus torture" above
and ask yourself, am I wrong to be cynical about
rabid religiousity?
\_ What does her looks have to do with it? Would impeachment
have been okay if Clinton's intern had been better looking? |
| 11/23 |
| 2009/3/13-19 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:52710 Activity:nil |
3/13 So Bill Clinton doesn't know what an embryo is?
\_ obCigarJoke |
| 2009/3/8-17 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52686 Activity:kinda low |
3/8 http://spectator.org/archives/2009/03/06/treasury-these-moments Obama has no idea what the fuck he's doing -Dem \_ A Democrat who reads the American Spectator? Really? \_ The GOP has fucked things up in ways you cannot imagine, but this does not equate to the Dems knowing what the fuck they're doing. We're all fucked! I'll let you know when I seee the Dems getting on the right track. -Dem \_ Cult of personality figures tend not to. \_ This is a slightly nicer web site than freerepublic. Kudos! \_ Both parties love Big Government: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/politics/story/63361.html |
| 2009/3/6-13 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:52682 Activity:nil |
3/6 Apparently, our State Department can't speak Russian
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/19719.html
\_ See, Bush could've run that by Condi first.
\_ Damn, why couldn't they consult with the motd first? Seems like
we have more Russian speakers than the entire state department.
No wonder only 6 months ago USA-Russia relations hit an all-time low
since the Cold War. |
| 2009/2/4-9 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:52511 Activity:kinda low |
2/3 Well said: "What gets people upset are executives being rewarded for
failure. Especially when those rewards are subsidized by US taxpayers."
\_ Turns out, he gets it.
\_ Talk is cheap.
\_ Freedom is strength.
\_ Isn't this something like FDR might have said?
\_ http://www.hpol.org/fdr/inaug
Practices of the unscrupulous money changers stand indicted in
the court of public opinion, rejected by the hearts and minds
of men. ... The money changers have fled their high seats in
the temple of our civilization. We may now restore that temple
to the ancient truths.
Obama has a long ways to go to reach FDR's eloquence.
\_ I'm young and have nothing, thus have nothing to lose
with Socialism. Bring it on, Socialism is GOOD for us
Gen-Y and Gen-Z!
\_ You lie. We all know you are a bitter old man who is
convinced his life is hard because he's only in the top 5%.
\_ Nothing to lose but your FREEDOM!!!!!!
\_ No, it's bad from Gen-Y and Gen-Z, it's good for baby-boomers.
Gen-Y and Z have to work to support the older ones. Duh.
\_ So does that mean the leaders of our failed government will work
for free? Did Bush turn down his US taxpayer-funded salary for
screwing the country over? I didn't think so.
\_ When a President receives a $1m+ retirement package, come cry to
us.
\_ They already do.
\_ Really? Or are you including book deals, lecture circuit,
and think tank stipends?
\_ Yes, really. Here, let me google that for you:
http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/98-249.pdf
We paid Bill Clinton 1.1 million in 2008 alone (and
remember, he's still raking in money from the things
you mentioned. The last I heard, he'd made something
like 100 million since leavin office, but I haven't
like 100 million since leaving office, but I haven't
looked into the exact number). Then there's the value
of the other (nonpaid) benefits, such as the secret
service detail assigned to him.
\_ Read your own material: we paid him a pension of
$200k and then we paid other expenses (including
$500k in rent; if you want to argue that this is
excessive, fine, I tend to agree, let's cap that,
but it's not his pension). We did not give him a
goodbye golden parachute of even $1m.
\_ Wait -- so we're paying him $1m *every year* and
you don't want to call that a $1m retirement
package because in your head only the first
$200k we pay him counts? okay...
\_ I read and understood it, but apparently you
believe that a "retirement package" consists
solely of a one-time payment when employment
ends? Clinton has been paid $8 million by the
federal government since leaving office. During
this same time period, George H.W. Bush has
been paid $5.5 million, and Carter has received
$4 million. I believe these all qualify as
presidents receiving "a $1m+ retirement package".
They don't work for the federal government
anymore (hence "retirement"), and the total
they've been paid since that retirement began
is greater than $1million (for each of them).
Most executive golden parachutes are structured
the same way (with some expenses itemized, and
being paid in later years).
\_ You average retired army sergeant lives another
30 years and pulls down $35k/yr. I guess that
is a "$1m pension" and obscene, by your
standards.
\_ Your comment contains my answer. When
the value of a retirement package is being
expressed across the life of the recipient,
it is usually expressed as one dollar
amount. When it is expressed as the annual
value, it is customary to describe it as
per year (whether you are a former
president, former CEO, or retired army
sergeant). Either is simply a factual way
of describing it. So yes, a $35k/year
pension could also be described as having a
$1 million total value (but no, I wouldn't
describe $1 million over 30 years as an
obscene retirement package for anyone).
Since Bill Clinton's retirement package
can be described as $1 million per year,
as well as (well over) $1 million total,
my initial comment that we already have
former presidents receiving $1 million
retirement packages holds true even if you
are incapable of making this distinction. |
| 2009/2/4-9 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52510 Activity:nil |
2/4 Ouch, that left a mark on Daschle
http://www.rollingstone.com/blogs/taibbiunbound/2008/12/the-whore-factor.php |
| 2009/1/27-2/1 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:52478 Activity:nil |
1/27 http://www.realnews.org/index.php-option=com_content&task=view&id=59&Itemid=189.htm [Title: Hilary's Bush Connection. Summary: Ties to Alan Quasha.] \_ I knew hillary was evil! \- in case you are interested, the old white guy to the right of the clinton-bushco picture [chalmers johnson] is a former ucb prof who sort of went nuts. |
| 2009/1/22-27 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:52446 Activity:nil |
1/22 We now have more government workers than manufacturing
Note the steady growth of gov't jobs
http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2009/01/20/milestone
\_ What is this guys source for data? Overall employment in the
Federal Govt shrank during the Clinton years, but state govt may
have more than made up for that, I don't know.
\_ He says what his source is, right there on the page.
\_ That source doesn't do it for me, but I tracked down the
original data, which is from the US Census. Good enough for
government work, right? The percentage of the population that
has been employed by the government has been steady at 7%
since 1980. The percentage employed in manufacturing has
declined.
\_ The numbers at http://www.bls.gov/emp/empmajorindustry.htm
match OPs chart. (and btw, these show a 14% Gubment
employment level, again not including tax attorneys and
gubment contractors.) |
| 2009/1/6-12 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:52326 Activity:low |
1/6 URL speaks for itself, really
http://www.metafilter.com/78015/The-ObamaBigfoot-Connection
\_ Is Art Bell a Republican?
\_ Your reading comprehension has been classified as: lacking.
\_ You must not have read all the comments... |
| 2009/1/6-9 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52322 Activity:nil |
1/5 What happened to Separation of Church and State? Where did all these
churchy Dems come from?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ranzs4FkxHI
\_ conservative democrat is the new republican
\_ Going to church != conservative. Or do you think Obama's a
conservative?
\_ http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10133425-38.html
I think he's something we haven't seen in a long time.
\_ Pragmatic?
\_ he's a good republican. |
| 2008/12/15-28 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:52249 Activity:nil |
12/15 You've got to be kidding me.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D953B0C00
\_ She's "an attorney, editor, writer and member of the New York
and Washington, D.C. bar associations" according to wikipedia.
How is she any less qualified than anyone else? |
| 2008/12/4-9 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:52162 Activity:kinda low |
12/4 Regarding the Somalian pirates, how about sailing some decoy
ships back and forth around there, clandestinely armed, and
give the pirates a very nasty shock?
\- this is not a hard problem to solve. there just inst much
interest in solving it on the part of the us govt. i.e.
it's a issue of priority, not technique.
\_ Does a decoy ship work? How do you make your decoy ship more
attractive than the hundreds of ships out there? I don't think
pirates choose the ships the same way pick-pocketers choose their
victims by picking a seemingly vunerable one out of random
victims by picking a seemingly vulnerable one out of random
passers-by.
\_ You put out a big sign that says "I'm just a poor undefended
freighter loaded with gold. And poor me without any crew to
guard me. Please don't hijack me."
\_ Just say "Parlay"
\_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q-ship
\_ The obvious thing to do is to take over the Somalia government
for a regime change, put in a puppet ruler of your choice
or better yet, hold elections so it looks like it's their
own fault for picking a leader nobody likes. Then you write
constitutions in the new government, and MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
\_ You mean like what Clinton tried to do with Aidid?
\_ Yeah, something like that, except O will have to stick
around long enough to make sure it is done right.
\_ how about "encouraging" a friendly neigbor, say, Ethiopia,
to invade and install a suitable government...
\_ Which country would want to invade a devestated messy country
and set a foot into the mud? "There is no other country like
America!"
\_ The UN, with US leadership, would do it. This is a great
opportunity for Obama to start to rebuild the shattered
International community, that Bush so badly damaged.
\_ Although I still think the international community should do
something about this problem, once I read up on WHY the Somalis
resort to piracy things made more sense. Many of these Somalis
were fisherman, but the factory trawlers that scraped their fishing
areas clean of fish have destroyed that livelihood -- first they
tried attacking the trawlers but the trawlers fought back -- now
they just make their money from piracy.
\_ And they fight back against evil fish sailors aboard the Flying
Dutchman, yarrr.. |
| 2008/11/24-12/1 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:52092 Activity:nil |
11/23 Cal's own Christina Romer to head White House Council of Econ Advisors:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081124/pl_nm/us_usa_obama_romer_3
\_ Were there any other Cal people after Randy Katz who served at the
White House?
\_ Brad DeLong
\_ There's an economics dude. I forget his name, but he's been
on Daily Show/Colbert Report. Short guy. Beard.
\- robert reich came to berkeley after washington. he is a
lawyer not an economist.
\_ Ug, he really is trying to recreate the clinton whitehouse. Taking
a popular cal professor to chair the CEA. Problem is that
Laura Tyson >> Christina Romer
\- you dont know what you are talking about. i bet harvard
is now upset over the Romer Fiasco.
\_ Well, you are close to right. I don't know what YOU are
talking about. What is the "Romer Fiasco"? As for what
i'm talking about: I had both as professors and have read
a good deal from both of them and I assure you that
Laura Tyson is a far superior Economist. In fact, i'd go
so far as to say that she is actually reasonably smart, which
is rare in the field.
\- compare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christina_Romer#Career
[which should answer the harvard fiasco question] with all
the criticism of LT when appointed to the CEA chair.
so far as to say that she is actually reasonably smart,
which is rare in the field.
\- well maybe you are smarter than "the field" but
the "the field" disagrees with you in terms of
academic reputation. compare
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christina_Romer#Career
http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/market-movers/2008/05/22/the-romer-harvard-affair
[which should answer the harvard fiasco question] with
all the criticism of LT when appointed to the CEA chair:
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=whos_bashing_tyson
[i've only dealt with LT directly and am pretty familar with
her work on japan and "administrative guidance]. i only know
CR's work on the depression indirectly.
http://www.businessweek.com/archives/1993/b332045.arc.htm
[i've only dealt with LT directly and am pretty familar
with her work on japan and "administrative guidance"].
i only know CR's work on the Depression indirectly.
also your premise that picking a berkeley economist for
cea-> recreate the clinton whitehouse suggests you arent
to be taken seriously. a better bit of evidence is the
presence of LT and RR on the transition team. |
| 2008/11/20-21 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:52058 Activity:low |
11/20 So I remember when WND and their motd.followers started calling
the genocide in Rwanda, the "Clinton genocide" because he did
nothing while it happened. Are you all calling the Congo
and Sudan massacres the "Bush genocide's" as well?
\_ This would require a level of introspection that has been
prominently lacking in WND and Bush apologists. |
| 2008/11/16-17 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:52001 Activity:low |
11/16 "The Clinton Cleavage, They're Real and They're Spectacular!"
http://www.csua.org/u/my6 (mensnewsdaily.com)
Is this real?
\_ uh... no
\_ that was terrible. Thanks, but no thanks. |
| 2008/11/9-12 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:51888 Activity:nil |
11/9 "How Ex-Presidents & Prime Ministers Make Their Money"
http://blogs.static.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/20010.html
Not all world leaders step-down equal. |
| 2008/10/16-20 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:51555 Activity:low |
10/16 You think the deficit is bad? Look at the debt side.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20081016/ts_csm/adebt
'"At the end of the last fiscal year, that (the national debt) came to
$53 trillion or about $550,000 per household," he says. "We may well
have passed the point where the federal government's total financial
hole exceeds the net worth of all Americans."'
\_ $53T is a bullshit number, made up by a bunch of chicken little's
who don't know how to do economic analysis.
\_ A number from The United States Comptroller General for the past
10 years is a bullshit number?
\_ Sorry Republicans, no one is buying your BS anymore.
\_ Actually, for the past three decades, all those presidents
who brought up the debt w.r.t. GDP were Republicans, and
all those who brought it down were Democrats.
http://zfacts.com/p/461.html
\_ But the first GBush's Read My Lips tax raise
was the cause of Clinton era's surplus. Don't
take credit without giving credit.
\_ http://preview.tinyurl.com/2zfhkg
"The problem with Medicare, Walker says, is people keep living
longer, and medical costs keep rising at twice the rate of
inflation. But instead of dealing with the problem, he says, the
president and the Congress made things much worse in Dec. 2003,
when they expanded the Medicare program to include prescription
drug coverage."
The real problem is that medical costs cannot continue to grow
at 7%/yr without consuming the entire economy. Something that
cannot happen will eventually stop growing, I am sure of that.
cannot happen will not, I am sure of that. |
| 2008/10/8-9 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51441 Activity:high |
10/8 Palin = Star Wars, Clinton = Star Trek:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/4xcgzj [io9]
\_ Obama won his Senate race because of Star Trek, no joke.
\_ How so?
\_ The Illinois senator/incumbent/expected to win candidate
dropped out of the race after it became public his wife,
Jeri Ryan, divorced him because she got sick of him dragging
her to public sex clubs and him trying to nail her in front
of other people. The Illinois Republican party couldn't
find anyone popular enough to run in his place... so they
invited Alan Keyes to move to Illinois and run for the empty
spot. More people voted for Obama than Alan Keyes.
\_ You forgot that Obama sued to unseal their divorce records.
\_ No, the Chicago Tribune sued, on grounds that they were
unjustly sealed. But why stop making shit up?
\_ He got his Obama and Liberal Media talking points
mixed up, you have to excuse him.
\_ Jeri Ryan as in 7 of 9? Wow.
\_ That's semi revisionist history going on. Yes that all
happened, but my memory was it was a close race but
Obama was in the lead before the whole sexual scandal.
Also, Jack Ryan was not an incumbent.
\_ I can't tell reliably. I found a page by Michelle
Malkin about this subject. puke.
\_ People should be a little more understanding for someone
wanting to nail Jeri Ryan in public.
\_ I'd rather nail Jeri Thompson in public.
\_ I want her all to myself. |
| 2008/10/8-9 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Academia/GradSchool] UID:51424 Activity:kinda low |
10/8 http://tinyurl.com/4pyc3o The difficulty with the evaluating the Chicago Challenge is that Chicago schools improved dramatically overall during this study. There were already vast improvements happening within Chicago Schools when the Annenberg Grant came through. It was difficult to tell what improvements were the result of the challenge and what improvements were the result of other improvements already in play. The Chicago Challenge failed only in our inability to reach conclusions based on the data. Chicago's schools faired far better than the other cities studied (including Gulliani's New York). The fact is that the Challenge very well could have improved all Chicago schools. We simply can't know this for certain based on the research. \_ Now how is this related to Obama having weekly dinners with a domestic terrorist? \_ Weekly? Is there a legitimate source for this? \_ You are so cute when you foam at the mouth. |
| 2008/9/25-30 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Finance/Banking] UID:51291 Activity:kinda low |
9/25 In 1999 the Clinton administration pressured Fannie Mae "to expand
mortgage loans among low and moderate income people." The NYTimes
warned "But the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble
in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to that
of the savings and loan industry in the 1980's."
http://tinyurl.com/4ulb87
\_ CLINTON AND BROWN PEOPLES FAULT!
\_ This American Life has already found the culprits:
http://www.thislife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=1242
\_ And in the same year, the LA times talked about how great it was
http://articles.latimes.com/1999/may/31/news/mn-42807
\_ http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/08/20040809-9.html
\_ Most non insane economists believe this month's troubles
are from the crazy securitization of home mortgages, not the actual
defaulted mortgages themselves. I am not quite smart enough to tell
if they are right.
Here in NYC Michelle Malkin keeps ranting in the NY Daily News
that its all the fault of illegal immigrants getting mortgages.
\_ McCain should have picked Malkin as his Veep, at least she
is articulate and no less batshit insane than Palin. |
| 2008/9/22-24 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:51260 Activity:nil |
9/22 why does the onion ALWAYS KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28784
\_ I think the CIA must be tipping them off or something.
\_ Old joke: how do we know the CIA didn't kill Kennedy?
Answer: He's dead, isn't he? |
| 2008/9/20-23 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:51243 Activity:nil |
9/20 "There isn't one grain of anything in the world that is sold in a free
market. Not one! The only place you see a free market is in the
speeches of politicians. People who are not in the Midwest do not
understand that this is a socialist country."
--Dwayne Orville Andreas, CEO of Archer Daniels Midland
http://www.motherjones.com/news/special_reports/1995/07/carney.html |
| 2008/9/9-14 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51113 Activity:nil |
9/9 I am a democrat but my prediction is Obama will lose. He's a
better speech giver, but what exactly has he done? He can talk
the talk but there's no proof that he has what it takes do to
the job. He had a golden opportunity to pick Hillary as the VP
to form the dream ticket. It would've shown to the outside
world that he will unite force with competitors for the common
good, and he can put aside criticisms in the past. The
combined ticket will also benefit from advice and help from
Bill Clinton, who bought us 8 great years before the current
bush fuckup, and whom I and a lot of people highly respect.
But no, his current pick shows his arrogance (who needs the
Clintons), immaturity (pick a white dude with more experience
but less well known), insecurity (Clintons will have different
view from him so his job will be easier without the Clintons),
and over estimating himself. He is a black person after all.
While I have nothing against black people, wining the election
as a black person will be quite a challenge in itself. He's
not Collin Powell, he's just a young black dude with good
speaking skill at a good opportunity, but has yet to prove
himself. Will there be enough people that trust him?
It was a very smart move for McCain to pick a female VP. You
have a war hero with a woman VP to win those voters that
supports woman in politics. Unfortunately this will be a much
bigger percentage than the die hard Clinton supporters that
will vote for Obama because they've got no choice. Personally
I probably won't even vote. The only way Obama is going to win
is if the country really got sick and tired of the Republican
Party after 8 years and wants something different. If this is
the only thing he's banking on then it's very risky.
Let's just hope that the war trained McCain got more common
senses than Bush does so it won't be that bad if McCain wins.
\_ You know what? You might be right that O could lose. However,
you're still an idiot.
\_ I'm a decline-to-state who voted for Hilary in the primary and
McCain in the 2000 primary. I've always (so far) voted Democrat
in Presidential elections. I am not wild about Obama, but I
don't think he will lose. I think the choice of Biden was a
good one (Biden was my pick for President above Hilary, but
dropped out before I voted). The Clintons are very polarizing,
which is what I told my Democrat friends back when Hilary was
running for the Senate. A lot of people love them, but a lot of
people really hate them. I think their association hurt Al Gore
and Bill didn't do Hilary any favors in this election. Obama was
wise to avoid them. McCain isn't really loved by anyone, even
Republicans, because he is a loose cannon and Palin's strength
is in appealing to voters who weren't going to vote for Obama
anyway. I guess it draws out Republicans who might have stayed
home otherwise if that was an issue. I think a Biden/Obama ticket
makes more sense than an Obama/Biden ticket. My main beef with
Obama is that I still know almost nothing about him or his record.
He's a very charismatic speaker which makes me nervous, because
people like that can be convincing. That *can* be a plus, but I
don't like that attribute when mixed with his status as a relative
unknown. I like leaders with a track record.
\_ That is basically the same thing The Economist said about him,
that he needs to define himself better if he wants to win.
\- the fact that sarah palin appeals to anyone is a deep condemnation
of america. and why are you paraoid about barak's unknowns
rather than palin's knowns and things mccain has said he would
do [like further plutocratization]. between experience and
somebody treating me with contempt ["alaska is on the border
\- the fact that sarah palin appeals to anyone is a deep
condemnation of america. and why are you paraoid about barak's
unknowns rather than palin's knowns and things mccain has said
he would do [like further plutocratization]. between experience
and somebody treating me with contempt ["alaska is on the border
with russia, thus ..."] and additionally there some some
evidence obama is refelctive, unlike BUSHCO ... and may studies
show often the incompetent are overly confident.
\_ What does this say? Does some one here speak illegible?
\_ What does this say? Does someone here speak illegible?
\_ It says your reading comprehension is low.
\_ or the author is writing to the wrong audience. Does
he/she want to be read and understood, or just seem
aloof and elitist.
\_ Man, I had always thought the elites would at least
use occasional capitalization.
\_ ...the wrong audience? This is the CSUA motd, not
freerepublic. Work that Cal degree, code monkey.
\_ Where did I say that I like Palin at all let alone more
than Obama? |
| 2008/9/3 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:51026 Activity:nil |
9/3 Wait, wow, the lady who called Hillary Clinton a "whiner" for
complaining of sexism is now crying "Sexism!" Hilarious.. Awesome... |
| 2008/8/28-9/3 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:50989 Activity:nil |
8/28 More Zombie: DNC giant puppet parade!
http://csua.org/u/m7o
\_ If you were a POW, you wouldn't be worried about silly parades!
\_ you know, anyone who really thinks zombietime is interesting could
go see his schtick themselves.
\_ Sure, I could go hang around all day to watch some protestors,
but I have better things to do. This takes 5 min. in my compy
office and is free.
\_ I'm saying you don't need to post it to MOTD.
\_ Ok fine, but come on, giant puppet parade. That bears
posting no matter who took the pictures. |
| 2008/8/27-9/3 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:50987 Activity:kinda low |
8/27 Rising tide has not been lifting all boats:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/26/about-that-bush-boom
\_ dems, always wanting a handout from highly productive republicans
</sarcasm>
\_ Look at all the whining people in the comments. "Master's degrees
from esteemed universities mean little ... journalism" LAUGH.
This article is stupid though: the data shows improvement from 2006
to 2007 yet Krugman is talking about fantasyland 2000 numbers.
\_ "These increases in earnings follow three years of annual
decline in real earnings for both men and women."
\_ Economics aren't important when you're a POW!
\_ and? do you think the 2000 economy was long term viable
and bush came in and screwed it up?
\_ Yes, I think Bush and the Republicans have been terrible
stewarts of the economy, don't you? The situation in 2000
was no where near as bad as what we have today.
\_ Which actions or nonactions can you put your finger on?
The NASDAQ crash was in March 2000.
DJIA crashed after 9/11/2001.
Why was 2000 so much better than today?
\_ Oh come on. How about a little problem like doubling
the national debt? Blowing $1T on a pointless war?
Giving a huge tax cut to his rich cronies, who of
course invested it (mostly overseas) instead of to
the middle class, who actually would have spent it,
boosting the economy. Adding a budget busting
drug benefit to Medicare, right when we could least
afford it. Should I go on?
\_ Yes but Democrats also voted for that pointless
war and continued to fund it. (do you really
think the war was utterly pointless?)
Medicare drugs? McCain voted against it. Democrats
passed it.
My point, which I'm tired of having to bring up
repeatedly, is that you keep fingering Republicans
for things that both Republicans and Democrats did.
And yet you aren't independent.
It's partisan stupidity.
\_ A majority of Democrats voted against the war,
and also against the Bush tax cuts. You seriously
believe that Iraq isn't "Bush's War"? You are
delusional. All this happened with a GOP President
and a GOP Congress, so yes, they are the ones
responsible. I forgot another one: the whole
housing bubble/meltdown, which Bush encouraged
and failed to do anything about, when he should
have been regulating the IBs. No, I am not
independent. I used to be, but Bush convinced me
to join the Democratic Party.
\_ Bush should have regulated IBs? Don't you think
Congress has some responsibility there? What
exactly should they do? A whole lot of people
bought houses who shouldn't have. That's the
people's fault, just like the dot bomb.
What about the Greenspan and the Fed? Greenspan
was appointed by both R's and D's. Greenspan
admitted that the housing bubble was
engendered by the decline in real long-term
interest rates"
Why do you ignore what happened in 2000/2001?
Where do you think the blame lay there? Bush
again? We have had a Democrat Congress since
2006 and they have done pretty much nothing
different. Furthermore there were no Democrat
initiatives addressing the housing bubble.
\_ 2000/1 is mostly the responsibility of
Bill Clinton. It is the Executive branches
responsibility to control the money supply,
all those fools would not have bought houses
if the Fed and the Treasury Dept had not
been asleep at the switch when the IBs
created all the unregulated money. It would
have been easy for them to turn off the tap,
they just believed that the "invsible hand"
would sort it out. The Democrats have had
how many bills blocked or vetoed since 2006?
The GOP had six years of total power and
they fucked it up. Why are you making
excuses for them? Greenspan is a Randoid
from way back, in no way shape or form
is he a Democrat, nor believe in any kind
of liberal policy framework.
\_ Laugh! Clinton appointed him too.
You tell me how many relevant bills were
blocked or vetoed. Bush only has 12
vetoes so those should be easy for you.
I'm not making
excuses for the R's. IMO the real
problems are ignored by both parties
and people like you. (e.g the Fed)
Obama talks about change but he is not
effectively different from any mainstream
republicrat.
\_ I am not going to try and explain the
very complicated topic of bank
regulation here, but suffice to say
that the Executive alone, via the
FDIC and the OCC has a huge influence
on the money supply. Clinton was pretty
much a moderate, true, but he was still
a much, much better stewart of the
economy than Bush. Obama will reverse
the worst Bush tax cuts and also end
the Iraq War, if nothing else, that
will improve our fiscal deficit. He
is also talking about a middle class
tax cut and infrastructure spending,
which shold help the economy more. No,
you won't get a revolution from either
party in America, people are too
complacent here to want that. And
surely you know the rest of the
Greenspan quote you pulled from
wikipedia, where he stated that asset
markets put credit control out of the
Fed's hands.
\_ Which is obviously false. Greenspan
of course wants to duck
responsibility.
I like the Bush tax cuts. I just
hate the Bush/Congressional
spending.
The Iraq War is going to end up
about the same, Obama or not.
I don't want more gov't spending,
I want less. Middle class tax cut?
Maybe if you redefine middle class.
\_ Every family maing under $150k/yr
That isn't middle class to you? |
| 2008/8/13-19 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:50861 Activity:nil |
8/13 So are the Bush-loving GOPers:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/5hpybb
\_ You have some evidence that the shooter likes Bush or is GOP?
\_ You have some evidence that the shooter liked Bush or was GOP?
\_ "Gwatney owned three Little Rock area car dealerships and the search
of Johnson's home turned up two sets of keys for vehicles from
Gwatney car lots."
You dumbass, he was just a twistoid.
http://www.kmph.com/Global/story.asp?S=8841748&nav=menu612_2_2
\_ Actually a Democratic donor:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/6om3cj
Look he gave money to Bill Clinton! Can we add him to the Clinton
Death List? |
| 2008/7/15-23 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:50579 Activity:nil |
7/15 How the government cooks economic statistics (great article by
Kevin Phillips)
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2008/05/0082023
\- YMWTGF(cambridge forum kevin philips) |
| 2008/7/14-23 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:50568 Activity:nil |
7/14 The Fox Newsification of AP:
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/16193.html |
| 2008/7/8-11 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:50498 Activity:nil |
7/8 Economic data fudging by the government:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/5ol574 [madconomist.com]
\_ I liked this: Soviet Collapse Lessons
http://preview.tinyurl.com/6gw4ax
\_ I liked this one as well.
\_ Where does this site come from? |
| 2008/7/5-10 [Politics/Domestic/Gay, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:50475 Activity:high |
7/4 Jesse Helms is dead. Too bad he didn't die in pain: maybe
God is Conservative afterall. At least he gave America a good
present on this 231st birthday of ours.
\_ 232nd. And thanks for showing the example of all
that is wrong with politics today.
\_ I'm not a fan of cheering death, but I'm
willing to make an exception for someone
as dispicable as Jesse Helms. It is at
times like this when I wished I believed in
hell.
\_ Yay, you rejoice in someone's death because
of their different opinion!
\_ No, Helms was a monster. Do you think
we should be respectful of Saddam
Hussein too? Sometimes the world is
better off without people. !pp
\_ Ooh! The new godwin. Helms didn't
dip people in vats of acid for fun.
\_ He would have if he'd gotten away
with it. Look, this asshole made
life really difficult for a lot
of people simply just because he
hated them. His passing is a
blessing, and the world is
better off without him. Sorry,
but it's the truth. Your moral
relativism isn't welcome here.
\_ Yah, you're right, a legislator
who has opinions you disagree
with is just as bad as a
murderous dictator!
\_ Helms fought hard to make
federal funds for needle
exchanges illegal. Because
of him needle addicts in
this country have
attrociously high AIDS
rates. In most other
countries public health
was considered more important
and the governemnts made
needle exchange programs
a priority as soon as the
dangers were apparent. Hell
even Thather realized that
was important. Forgetting
Helms rampant racism and
homopobia, his close
friendship with Pinochet
(so close the FBI were pretty
sure Helms tipped Pinochet
off when the CIA were going
after him), that alone
makes him a horrid little
man. Helms wasn't just
a politician I disagreed
with, he was an evil man.
Fuck him, his death was
welcome.
\_ Why is it the government's
job to fund needle
exchanges?
Why didn't you fund them
yourself?
Needle sharers getting AIDS
have only themselves to
blame. Or maybe you.
\_ It's the government's job
to try to contain
epidemics. Needle
exchange is cheap and
effective and a no
brainer. And even if
you think all junkies
should just die, they
will spread AIDS to
others. Oh, and
fuck you.
\_ AIDS does not meet the
criteria for an
epidemic spread, it
meets the spread
criteria for an
occupational disease
(like black lung).
But you know, don't
let facts get in the
way. In fact, the
handling of black
lung is a good model
for how we should be
handling AIDS.
-- ilyas
\_ "facts," eh?
According to
Duesberg?
/------------------/
How stupid are you? I am not claiming
HIV doesn't cause AIDS, I am claiming
AIDS does not behave like an epidemic
disease, it behaves like an occupational
disease. -- ilyas
\_ According to who?
\_ A disease that isn't
communicated except by
sticking needles in
yourself or having sex
isn't an epidemic.
\_ Or by being raped,
or by being born
to a woman who is
HIV+, and some
people don't have
any choice about
needles being
stuck into them,
such as in
hemophilia and
accidental health
care related
needlesticks.
\_ Needle exchs
won't stop that.
Do you have proof
it would? These
people do not
give a fuck. If
it's not needles
they'll probably
have u.sex. I do
think govt should
probably just let
people acquire
supplies legally,
and drugs too
actually, in a
structured way
to try to neuter
drug gangs.
Preventing public health _/
epidemics is one of THE most
things government does. Cheap,
painless, effective prevention
should always be prioritized over
moralizing about personal choices.
Yes, the government should try
to prevent addiction, however
the reality is there are addicts,
and those addicts are getting AIDS
via needles. It took over a decade
for enough states to start needle
sharing for it to make a difference
where if there wasn't the HELMS
AMENDMENT (see it even has his name)
we could have had serious needle
exchange programs within a year.
Programs that would have paid for
themselves 1000x times over in
almost no time by preventing
expensive AIDS care and loss of
productivity.
\_ right, because
the solution
to every
problem which
confronts our
society is
less
government.
We get it.
\_ AIDS via needle sharing is not
a public health epidemic.
Isn't it paradoxical to have
criminalized drug use and yet
on the other hand support them
with a needle exchange program?
I'd rather just legalize it
all.
\_ legalizing it would make
the public health problem
and the need for needle
exchange problems even more
acute. -tom
\_ No, because right now you
can't get needles legally.
They need to share needles
because they don't have
enough needles because the
government prevents them
from getting them without
a prescription. So now
you want a government
program to let people
exchange the needles they
do (illegally) have which
doesn't increase the # of
needles (and requires
participants to expose
themselves to arrest.
If you make them exchange
1 for 1, then they'll still
share. If you don't, then
you'll get used needles
being littered around.
The focus should be
on safe practices to
prevent nurses from
infecting themselves,
safe sex, finding an
actual cure, and getting
people off injection drugs.
Legalized drug distribution
in safe forms might help.
\_ Thank you, Ron Paul.
Now, back on planet
Earth... -tom
\_ hush tom, the
grownups are talking.
\_ Jesse Helms was one of the leaders of our
own home-grown Taliban. The world is better
off without him. Here are some choice
quotes:
http://home.att.net/~jrhsc/helms.html
\_ Sully got it right: May he rest in the peace he so wanted to deny
to so many others. |
| 2008/6/25-30 [Finance/Banking, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:50374 Activity:nil |
6/25 I'm not a big clinton hater but why is Obama asking his supporters to
help her pay off her campaign debt? Her husband pulls in literally
100s of millions a year from speaking fees, why don't they just pay it
off themselves and move on?
\_ Or why doesn't Obama pay Hillary to do some stops for him out of
his massive not-publicly-funded warchest?
\_ So do you not care that McCain signed up for public financing
in order to get loans backed by that money back when he wasn't
sure he'd win the primary but then when once he won he said
oh wait, I'm going to back out of that public financing thing
haha, wait did I legally agree to do public financing. Well
fuck that. I'm not!
\_ Well first of all that wouldn't be legal...
\_ dunno. I really don't think Hillary is funded by $$ concerns.
\- First, the amount BCLINTON has access to is slightly
exaggerated. Let's say 10s of million. Second, to some
extent apparently helping with this kind of debt is to
some extent "standard practice". Third, particularly given
#2, it would probably have been "easier" to agree to it
than risk the lying and untrustoworthy Clinton people
making hay out of it (again, the inside story is the Obama
people are constantly worried about what the Clintons might
have up their sleave). Fourth, we'll see to what extent he's
just going through the motions. I agree Hillary has some
fucking gall to ask any body the exceptionally rich to do
this ... but there are some weird legal issues covering your
ability to raise funds for a campaign which is no longer
really in effect.
\_ Why don't you sign your name?
\_ The psb needs not sign his name. --psb #3 fan |
| 2008/6/23-24 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:50335 Activity:nil |
6/23 http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/opinion/20brooks.html "And then on Thursday, Fast Eddie Obama had his finest hour. Barack Obama has worked on political reform more than any other issue. He aspires to be to political reform what Bono is to fighting disease in Africa. He.s spent much of his career talking about how much he believes in public financing. In January 2007, he told Larry King that the public-financing system works. In February 2007, he challenged Republicans to limit their spending and vowed to do so along with them if he were the nominee. In February 2008, he said he would aggressively pursue spending limits. He answered a Midwest Democracy Network questionnaire by reminding everyone that he has been a longtime advocate of the public-financing system. "But Thursday, at the first breath of political inconvenience, Fast Eddie Obama threw public financing under the truck. In so doing, he probably dealt a death-blow to the cause of campaign-finance reform. And the only thing that changed between Thursday and when he lauded the system is that Obama's got more money now." \_ "Fast Eddie Obama"? David Brooks has valid points. Shame he's got such a hard-on for a Heritage Foundation sinecure. |
| 2008/6/16-20 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:50269 Activity:nil |
6/16 I think it's pretty funny that the very first line on the Obama smear
fighting page is itself a lie.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/quicktakes/1006833,CST-NWS-qt15.article
\_ Don't you feel like giving obama's baby mamma a terrorist fist
jab or something?
\_ Parsed like a true Bill Clinton, my friend!
\_ Yeah, Rush Limbaugh is my hero, too. |
| 2008/6/10-13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:50219 Activity:nil |
6/10 Oops. More problems with Obama's friends.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/06/obamas-answer-o.html
\_ Heh, nice comment from JA on the page about Bsuh Obama similarity.
\_ Did you ever figure out who killed Vince Foster? |
| 2008/6/3-4 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:50139 Activity:low |
6/3 Clinton 'open' to joining Obama
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7432696.stm
\_ That would be pretty funny if this happened and then Obama was pres
but then died somehow and then HRC was president.
\_ At least we would know that it wasn't the Ku Klux Klan who
assasinated Obama. http://www.dailysquib.co.uk/?c=117&a=1227
\_ Why do dumb people keep thinking they are as clever as the
Onion?
\_ Chill out. The Daily Squib is the UK-equivalent of The
Onion. -- PP |
| 2008/6/3-4 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:50132 Activity:nil |
6/2 Bo Diddley, dead:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080602/ap_en_ot/obit_diddley |
| 2008/6/3 [Politics/Domestic/HateGroups, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:50124 Activity:nil |
6/2 Obama is willing to ditch his own church in order to win the election.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080601/ap_on_el_pr/obama
How faithful.
\_ After hanging out with the Klan for 20 years, he decides it's
politically expedient to leave.
\_ Yeah, the Klan. That's right. What an apt analogy. I mean
it's SO obvious.
\_ You're right. It's just as racist, but doesn't physically harm
people. ^the Klan^his co-racists
\_ The crazy is strong in this one.
\_ Didn't we beat this horse a few day ago?
\_ Give it up, you have already lost the election. Prepare yourself
for at least four years and probably eight years of being in the
\_ Obama is going to implode, trust me.
\_ Why should I trust you? What other predictions have you made
that were on the mark?
\_ Well, it looks to me like he's already imploding. Obama!
The only guy who could lose to the R's in '08! -!pp
\_ What the hell are you talking about? Are you the
person who thinks Obama wants to rape all the white
wimmin?
\_ I don't remember THAT post on the motd. -pp
\_ http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm
Imploding.
\_ That's a very strange def of imploding |
| 2008/5/31-6/5 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:50103 Activity:kinda low |
5/30 Clinton is winning Puerto Rico. YES.
\- i wouldnt dismisss the PA results but the PR results are
totally meaningless ... Clinton is basically the Senator
from Puerto Rico:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rican_migration_to_New_York#Currently
Either you are being sarcastic or ...
Your brain has been classified as: poco.
--psb
\_ Are you a MCCain supporter or a Hillary supporter?
Why wont you sign your name? Are you embarrassed to be a
Hillary supporter?
\_ I'll just use your name. -- psb
\_ Why won't YOU sign your name? -jrleek (!pp !op)
\- i have been an strong obama supporter since Feb
[i was out of the country before that and pretty much
assumed hillary the liar would win, so i didnt develop
any strong opinions and just ruminated on mccain vs
clinton]. i also think it is reasonable to have many
anonymous conversation on the motd ["where can i get
a good sandwich in berkeley"] but for threaded
discussion, anonymity makes it hard to know if you are
talking to the same person ... so i jokingly
suggested signing with a hash of your name. are there
*any* soda motd/wall participants willing to publicly
say "i support hillary clinton". there are people
publicly willing to take different sides on the iraq
war, gun control, gaylordism, drug legalization, the
housing crisis/financial regulation, and i believe
there are some mccain supporters, but how come no
hillary supporters are willing to name themselves?
is it more socially awkward to admit to being a hillary
supporter than to talk about your love of p0rn, as numerous
sloda people are willing to discuss [wang, holob, the asp],
or again does it say something about the lack of confidence
and general insecurity of hillary fans?
or am i mistaken about this? i am prepared to respond
to "you are a naive fool for voting for somebody with
no experience". i can also understand "i have no
interest in discussing politics on sloda" ... in
which case why the craven crowing [i assume OP is a
hillary supporter not a mccain person]. by they way,
i certainly can understand your being embarrassed to be
a hillary supporter, so i dont expect you to announce
yourself. i am just curious if you are embarrassed.
for example i've written lots of one off sloppy code
and i'm embarrassed to show it to people if that comes
up. so i certainly understand when another colleague
is sheepish about sharing something done at a low quality.
but it is a different matter when somebody shares something
and has no clue it is crap and has no sense of knowing better
and the attendant reticence. --psb
\_ I was being funny. I cannot think of anyone who seriously
still believes Hillary can win the nomination. It was a
good fight. It's interesting that Obama is really not
winning a giant landslide of pledged delegates, but I guess
in delegate races we often get these really close contests.
\_ Why do you support Obama? -emarkp
\_ how can you NOT support Obama? McCain wants us in
Iraq for the next 500 years, he seriously believes
that the Iraq conflict is exactly like us assisting
peace loving Germans, Japanese, Koreans, Puerto
Ricans, Hawaiians, have I left out any of our other
successful military occupations of this century?
\_ Those are reasons to *not* support McCain. I see
nothing to recommend Obama. -emarkp
\_ "I do not want to keep our troops in Iraq a minute
longer than necessary to secure our interests
there." - jmccain
What you're saying is a blatant mischaracterization.
McCain wants the mission to be completed. Do you
think it would take 500 years?
\- Obama treats people seriously ... I've been impressed
with his "big speeches" [post-Rev Wright race speech]
and smaller stuff [the way he handled a stupid reporter
when he left the Trinity Church over the weekend].
I also believe "character matters". In ths case his
democratic opposition, Hillary Clinton, is a lying,
sleazy, sanctimoious hypocrite. Policy obviously matters
as well, an on those grounds, I'm worried about McCain
and "plutocraticzation" ... note: I've long liked
I also believe "character matters". In this case his
democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton, is a lying,
sleazy,sanctimonious hypocrite. Policy obviously matters
as well. On those grounds, I'm worried about McCain
and "plutocratization" ... note: I've long liked
and "plutocraticzation" ... note: I've long liked
McCain -- for reasons I wont go into -- I put a fair
amount of weight on his VN story and a few other
things ... but his recent pandering [gas tax] is a
little disturbing. We also have to forgive some
campaign time pandering, but I've again been impressed
with Obama relatively good record on this [ok some
on trade, but 1. there are issues there 2. at least
he treated people like adults on the gas tax] and in
contrast Clinton the liar has gone over the top
denouncing the enter science and profession of
economics. Also on McCain, I'm less sure than many a
precipitous withdrawal from Iraq is a good idea ...
not because of the terrorism issue, but I think the
US has responsibilities to prevent a Rwanda-like
slaughter there, so they need to factor that in to
their calculations, not "only" minimizing US casualties.
I am not a Lawrence Lessig Fanboy ... I had never gone
to his WOB site before this ... but his 20min PPoint
on "Why I'm for Barak" is a good statement of "my
position".
http://lessig.org/blog/2008/02/20_minutes_or_so_on_why_i_am_4.html
http://blip.tv/file/664200
I strongly encourge people to watch the first one.
I'll skip re-interating Hillary's list of Unbelievable
Cockroach moves.
I'll skip reiterating Hillary's list of Unbelievable
Cockroach Moves. Sure some Obama supporters are
shallow youth just going along for trendy-ish reasons,
but he seems to have gotten a disproportionate amount
of the supprt of "serious adults" with a good record
of being smart and principled, e.g. Prof deLong and
Senator GOPAT. Which Hillary endorser are you impressed
with? Eva Longoria? Look at their endorsements page
on Wikipedia. Paul Krugman's endorsement tant him,
and doesnt help her [like his apologia about her gas
tax stance saying "it's not a big deal" ... missing
the point he is obvously aware of that it's what
it says about her, not the policy issue ... if a friend
of your steals $5 from your wallet when you are in
the bathroom, is that "not a big deal"?].
\_ Any particular policy of his you like?
\- put somethng on the table, if you want an answer.
\- put something on the table, if you want an answer.
\_ Huh? -emarkp
\_ No one knows what the mission is. Unless you're
talking about McCain's fantasy of Iraq becoming
a warm friendly place where an American soldier
can walk down the street unarmed and only fear
being pelted with delightly spring begonias, and
THEN we'll leave.
\- Peace with Honor.
\_ There you go again. Do you honestly believe
that? If you're gonna try to discuss things
like an adult then you shouldn't exaggerate.
Reality should be enough. The mission is
to safeguard the security of the new Iraqi
state: "John McCain believes it is
strategically and morally essential for the
United States to support the Government of Iraq
to become capable of governing itself and
safeguarding its people." "Our goal is an Iraq
that no longer needs American troops."
\_ iraqi state is artificial construct.
Cheney is secretly an Iranian Shiite
cleric. We should just pack up and leave
Iraq, we have messed up beyond any
reasonable doubt.
\_ McCain has changed his mind about half a
dozen times on what "The Mission" is, so he
is not to be trusted. What is the goal this
week?
\_ Interesting. What were the 6 different
things?
\_ The war will be easy. -2002
The war will be hard. -2003
We should not leave a permanent force.
-2005
We should stay 100 years. -2008
We should make Iraq a democracy. -2006
We should make Iraq stable. -2007
http://tinyurl.com/3o6w3x
\_ next goal will be 'we cant leave
Iraq because then Iran will just
roll on in and annex it,
thereby controlling over half of
the world's remaining oil.' by
then i'll probably agree. good
work, BushCo. - sad liberal. |
| 2008/5/31-6/2 [Politics/Domestic/HateGroups, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:50102 Activity:low |
5/31 Obama resigns from controversial church
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/31/obama.church/index.html
Ha ha!
\_ I thought he disavowed Wright long ago?
\_ He disavowed Wright a few weeks (month?) back, but Wright
\_ He disabowed Wright a few weeks (month?) back, but Wright
had actually retired as Pastor before that. So Obama was
still a member of the church under a different pastor.
\_ ...after a white Roman Catholic priest, acting as a guest
pastor, delivered a racially charged sermon. Yes, kids,
truth is stranger than fiction.
\_ After hanging out with the Klan for 20 years, he decides it's
politically expedient to leave. |
| 2008/5/29-6/1 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:50092 Activity:nil |
5/29 The press wasn't nearly as nice when the book that came out was
criticizing Clinton.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,21447,00.html?iid=chix-sphere
\_ One story is exactly the same as the other! Everthing is a vast
conspiracy! 8 years ago was yesterday! The press wants Bush
to fail!
\_ Where is the Time story covering McClellan's book? What?
You mean there isn't one? Why is that??? |
| 2008/5/26-30 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:50053 Activity:nil |
5/25 Even the AP is has noticed the Obama is just making up his policy
as he goes along.
http://csua.org/u/lnn
\_ you're an idiot.
\_ A stunning argument! The opposition can make no response!
\_ Masturbation's a one-player game.
\_ Oh, you may carry on with it then, but please stop
jizzing all over the motd.
\_ Freeper: the sound of one hand fapping.
\_ http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2021273/posts
\_ The Hugo Chavez one is kinda 'meh' since he could be saying that
Chavez's power increased due to Bush's negligence.
I think it's pretty obvious he hasn't thought through his
position on things like FARC tho'. |
| 2008/5/26-30 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:50052 Activity:nil 74%like:50050 |
5/25 Obama's gaffes are really starting to pile up.
http://www.tothepointnews.com/content/view/3208/2
That link is a little silly, it suggests Obama is on drugs, I
just posted it for the accurate list of mistakes it starts out with.
\_ obama would have to rape a white woman on The View to lose
the nomination now.
\_ Obama's expertise in MIND CONTROL clearly indicates he is a
North Korean agent:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-talk/2008/05/clinton_camp_stokes_rfk_flap_b.html
"barack set me up!"
I think HillBill are trying to bait Obama into describing her
as a "hysterical bitch"/"psycho ex-girlfriend of the democratic
party" so all the menopausal bitter women will vote for her.
\_ Are you a super-delegate? Do you think there are any on the
motd? Who are you trying to convince?
\_ Wha? Are we not allowed to discuss canidates for POTUS on the
motd now?
\_ You had something to discuss here? I thought your point
was to further smears and distort fact into sensation.
What did I miss?
\_ 10,000 dead in Kansas!
\_ What do you expect from a KNOWN CRYPTO-MARXIST?
\_ What do you expect from a known Marxist? |
| 2008/5/23-27 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:50042 Activity:low |
5/23 "With the news this morning that Bill Clinton and other
Hillary Clinton supporters are openly pushing for Barack Obama
to choose Hillary as his running mate, it has become apparent
that the Clinton camp is going through the stages of the
Kübler-Ross model of coping with death or tragedy."
\_ now in "bargaining"? -tom
\_ I think Hilary wants $20M. --PeterM
\_ $31M at last count.
\_ "That's a nice black candidate you got there. It would be a shame
if something were to happen to him..." -- ilyas |
| 2008/5/22-23 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:50025 Activity:low |
5/22 Bill Gross on underreporting the CPI and what it means for
the little investor:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/52vfy2
\_ http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/004721.php
\_ http://www.isil.org/towards-liberty/inflation-gov-lies.html
\_ http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=59409
\_ Ah so it started with the Carter administration. See,
Democraps are evil!
\_ It actually started with Clinton, but that doesn't change
your basic premise. Politicians of both parties lie all
the time.
\_ LIES. The Bureau of Labor Statistics doesn't lie. The
government doesn't lie. Why would it lie?
\_ Ron Paul has been saying this for years and people say he's
some sort of crazy racist.
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2008/cr031108h.htm
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2008/cr0305a08h.htm
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2008/cr022608h.htm
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2008/cr021308h.htm
http://http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2006/cr050206.htm
http://http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2006/cr042506.htm
\_ Non sequitur often?
\_ Oh it's sequitous. Here these directly question CPI:
http://http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2004/tst030804.htm
http://http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst071006.htm
http://http://www.house.gov/paul/press/press2006/pr021506.htm
\_ What does race have to do with inflation?
\_ Ron Paul IS a crazy racist, irrespective of what he has to
say about the CPI. |
| 2008/5/20-23 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:50015 Activity:nil |
5/20 Here's my recollection of the final candidates in presidential
elections of which I have memory:
1980: Jimmy Carter vs. Ronald Reagan
1992: George Bush vs. Bill Clinton
2000: George W. Bush vs. Al Gore
2004: George W. Bush vs. John Kerry
2008: Hillary Clinton vs. Barack Obama (With the media coverage, it
sure feels that way.)
\_ Do a lot of drugs such that you missed so many?
\_ I don't always remember the losing candidate. Besides, I wasn't
in this country until 1989 when I was 19. Oh, I just recalled
one more losing candidate called "Dukakis" or something, but I
forgot which year it was. Maybe 1996? BTW Ross Perot doesn't
count.
\_ So, basically, your recollection is worthless. We should
pay attention to you why?
\_ No reason. BTW I could've filled in the gaps by STFW, but
that wouldn't be from memory.
\_ You don't remember Bob Dole? I guess he was pretty forgettable.
\_ You don't remember Bob Dole? I guess he was pretty
forgettable. |
| 2008/5/16-23 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:49979 Activity:nil |
5/1 Huckabee's lame Obama joke
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/05/huckabee-jokes.html
\_ He might have been referring to this:
http://www.banhandgunsnow.org/everyhandgun/index.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5582268
http://preview.tinyurl.com/4fvb83 [democratic underground] |
| 2008/5/14-16 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49942 Activity:nil |
5/14 If you don't vote for Obama you're a racist
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/14/navarrette/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
\_ The author didn't even recognize Obama is not exactly, to borrow
his phrase, "black American".
\_ Really? He's not American? He's not black?
\_ He wasn't raised as an American during his formative years. |
| 2008/5/7-9 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49897 Activity:nil 80%like:49911 |
5/6 Losing Our Spines to Save Our Necks
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-harris/losing-our-spines-to-save_b_10\0132.html |
| 2008/5/3-8 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49880 Activity:moderate |
5/2 Hillary: Let's cut gas tax!
Blue Collar: Yay!
McCain: Let's cut gas tax!
\_ McCain proposed it, Hillary agreed.
Blue Collar: Yay!
Obama: Gas tax break will increase demand and the cost of gasoline
in the long run. Besides, it is not sustainable and not
a long term solution.
\- For an short term inelastic demand good, the price will
be set by the demand, and if you drap the tax, that
will convert consumer surplus into windfall profits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_incidence
This is like an Econ 1 midterm question.
\_ What about if demand is elastic?
\- a full discusson of this is beyond the scope
of the motd. a fuller discussion involves
questions of "is it movement along the demand
curve" or "is it a shift of the agg demand curve".
also the view w.r.t. to oil is supply is also
constrained due to refining capacity being maxed
out, but this is complicated by the possibility
of drawing down inventory stocks. but what really
makes this complicated is the "clean theory"
assums competive markets [prce takers, marginal
cost pricing]. the theory of monopol is also
"clean" but the world we are probably in w.r.t.
to oil is oligopoly ... and that isnt a "clean"
theory ... anyway, let's leave it at that.
Big Oil: We'll just raise your cost to match whatever price difference
the temporary lack of tax would create, and pocket the
the money. HA
Blue Collar: FUCK YOU!
\_ I think you underestimate the Blue Collar in this country. -raised BC
\_ I think you underestimate the Blue Collar in this country. -raised
BC
\_ Vote for GEORGE W BUSH! PATRIOTISM, SERVE OUR COUNTRY! -BC
\_ That was BC in 2002. What do you think it is like today?
\_ McCain served in the armed forces and was patriotic.
VOTE FOR MCCAIN, FIGHT TERRORISTS! -BC
\_ Kerry had a rather more distinguished record of service
compared to Bush, and look how that went.
\_ SWIFT BOAT LIES! -BC
\_ No, now it is more like MY GAS COSTS TOO MUCH. @#$%! BUSH
\_ No, now it is more like MY GAS COSTS TOO MUCH.
@#$%! BUSH
AND ALL THOSE POLITICIANS IN DC!
\_ The gas companies don't care what the tax rate is. There is more
gasoline sitting in storage in the US right now than there has been
for years. Current prices have little to do with the gas tax or
a healthy functioning market. For starters, states like CA should
get together with nearby states and use the same formula for gas.
That would create a larger market of the same product and yield
a more stable price as well as lower prices over all. Strengthen
the dollar. Since oil prices are effectively keyed to the value
of the dollar, as the dollar decreases oil prices *must* increase.
This isn't even Econ 1 type stuff.
\- Hillary Clinton has decided to ignore "so called experts"
and "history" and "the facts" ... 'cause she's The Deciderette.
Hmm, now who does that sound like? "Trust me ... I'm experienced,
compassonate, tough, have what it takes, can swiftboat somebody
when I need to ..."
http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2008/05/friends-dont-le.html
http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2008/05/expertise.html
http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2008/05/i-think-paul-kr.html |
| 2008/5/3-8 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49879 Activity:nil |
5/3 The Clinton's Karl Rove:
http://tinyurl.com/5ve9ps |
| 2008/4/25-30 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49835 Activity:nil |
4/25 The first black president of the US: Bill Clinton
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_campaignplus/20080425/ap_ca/on_deadline_race |
| 2008/4/16-23 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49766 Activity:nil |
4/16 Hillary Clinton on working class democrats in 1995: "Screw 'em."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/16/hillary-clinton-on-workin_n_97017.html
\_ Is HRC a typical white person? |
| 2008/4/16-23 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49762 Activity:nil |
4/16 Funny (and yes, totally biased, I get it, mmmmmkay) guide to
conservative blogosphere
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0816,a-confederacy-of-dunces,411897,1.html/full
\_ "I even got my own Tom Tomorrow cartoon! The jagged yellow spikes
must be caused by all of that evil."
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/29635_Village_Voice_Savages_Righty_Blogs
\_ Epic fail. |
| 2008/4/12-16 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49741 Activity:nil |
4/11 Hillary Clinton's shameless pandering in response to Obama 'bitter'
remarks:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/12/clinton-touts-her-experience-with-guns |
| 2008/4/11-12 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49727 Activity:kinda low |
4/11 So we now know that Ds not only want a minimum wage, but a maximum as
well. Would that apply to the Clintons?
\_ Well obviously. What are they doing making over $10 an hour?
\_ What the hell are you blathering about? You might want to increase
the dosage on your medication.
\_ google 'obama CEO pay'
\_ I see that he says that shareholders should set CEO pay.
Don't you agree?
\_ I don't see what leglislators have to do with it, or what
requiring publicly traded companies to have shareholders
make a nonbinding resolution would accomplish.
\_ Legislators are allowed to have opinions, too. In fact,
they are often expected to have opinions about
controversial topics of the day, like CEO compensation.
Repeal the First Amendment if that disturbs you so much. |
| 2008/4/9-12 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49693 Activity:nil |
4/8 Jews cannot afford to not support Obama
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/ikey-galacticca/gGggBH
This is an interesting thing to find on Obama site...
\_ There's some good lines in there:
"[The Clintons] should retire because their brains are old and dried
up and devoid of any new and fresh ideas."
\_ ERROR: invalid page requested
\_ Aww, they took it down. (It's been up for a month.) I googled
around and found another copy on craigslist of all places
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/pol/633548733.html
\_ http://my.barackobama.com is a social network. Any loser can create a
page there - the campaign can't police all the content there.
Just like any other social network that's full of both good and
crappy content. Get over your feigned outrage.
\_ I know that. I'm not outraged at all. This is a pretty good
example of a poorly thought out and managed political
strategy though. Plus, this rant is funny.
\_ Yeah, the rant is funny. Do you think the social network
is a poorly thought out campaign strategy? From what I can
tell, he's raising unprecedented amounts of cash and
getting huge numbers of volunteers.
\_ I don't really think that's related to his own social
networking site, although I could be wrong. digg and
dailykos are serving the same purpose for him. Having
his own offical social networking/blog site allows nut-
cases to post wocky stuff that looks official. |
| 2008/3/30-4/6 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:49613 Activity:nil |
3/28 Finally, the Clinton Death Spiral? Obama up 10 pts in Gallup tracking
poll for first time
http://www.gallup.com/poll/105841/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Now-52-Clintons-42.aspx
\_ And McCain still up on both. (Barely.)
\_ Not a problem once the democrats have a decisive choice. Voter
turnout in the primaries had the 2nd place democratic candidate
often beating the sum total of all republican votes so I think
the presidential will pretty much be decided by the Clinton/
Obama choice.
\_ Are there any numbers from previous elections that equate
higher primary turnout with general election victory? Are
you taking into account the huge number of cross over voters
this year who voted strategically? Are you counting the number
of people in both C and O camps who said they would stay home
or vote for M if their candidate didn't get the nomination?
\_ I don't think he was counting anything. His statement was
more of a statement of faith than anything else. -!pp |
| 2008/3/26-28 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49575 Activity:nil 83%like:49569 |
3/25 This picture pretty much speaks for itself
http://preview.tinyurl.com/yst66p [national review]
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/185608.php |
| 2008/3/26 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49569 Activity:nil 83%like:49575 |
3/25 This picture pretty much speaks for itself
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MDA2YTFkMmUxNjliNDIzODU1MWQxZmY1MjdiMDE0OGM=
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/185608.php |
| 2008/3/25-28 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49562 Activity:nil 78%like:49560 |
3/25 Hillary channels Rush Limbaugh
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2rwf8r [Pittsburg Tribune-Review]
A major donor of hers goes even further:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/yqyk5q [tpm]
\_ She's just a typical white person.
\_ And you're a typical troll, wee!
\_ Rush Limbaugh doesn't appear on either link. WTH are you talking
about? |
| 2008/3/25 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49560 Activity:nil 78%like:49562 |
3/25 Hillary channels Rush Limbaugh
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/breaking/s_558930.html
A major donor of hers goes even further:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/yqyk5q [tpm]
\_ She's just a typical white person.
\_ And you're a typical troll, wee!
\_ Rush Limbaugh doesn't appear on either link. WTH are you talking
about? |
| 2008/3/25-28 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49559 Activity:nil |
3/25 Obama is Dubya's cousin!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080325/ap_on_el_pr/candidates_genealogy
\_ Nth cousin means "is human" and not much else. |
| 2008/3/24-27 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49555 Activity:low |
3/24 CBS has picked up the Hillary/Bosnia snafu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BfNqhV5hg4
\- ^snafu^lie
\_ Snafu? You meant to say "lie". There's a looong way from "We were
under threat of death from sniper fire! They send the First Lady
when it is too dangerous to send the President!" to "We hopped off
the plane into a beautiful sunny day where young local girls tossed
flowers at us".
\_ The interesting thing was how she invented an entire long story
extolling the evasive capabilities of the transport plane and
pantomimed "running to the cars". "And that's how it happened."
Just bizarre. And now she said "I misspoke" which is another
lie.
\- I am not sure what the Clinton equivalent of "faith-based
community" is, but it's not "reality based". Maybe "Hillary-
expedient-recovered-memory-based". I agree with you the
"vividness" of some of her recollections are disturbing ...
like she has some kind of heroic delusion. I think she
actually believes she is more clever than Bill Clinton,
which is clearly untrue. If she loses, I wonder if they
will effectively split up. |
| 2008/3/24-27 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49550 Activity:kinda low |
3/24 Wow, you'd think with all that experience, Hillary wouldn't be such a
bad liar (re: visit to Bosnia).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It6JN7ALF7
\_ The press covered for Hill&Bill for 15+ years. They didn't have
to be good liars. They got busted all through the 90s but mostly
the press ignored it. Now that the press is leaning heavily to
Obama, they are showing the world what the Clintons always were
and cover for Obama instead. All very amusing.
\_ The primaries will never end. I suspect Hillary and Obama will be
gearing up for their 3000th debate right around the Inauguration
of McCain.
\_ ALGOR is going to settle this by becoming the nominee.
\- Must not destroy Robot.
\_ She doesn't actually kiss the little 8 year old Bosnian girl.
She just makes a kissing motion but presses her cheek against
her.
\- This really has gone beyond "spin" and exaggeration to lying.
\- This really has gone beyond "spin" and exaggeration (ALGOR &&
the Internet) to lying:
On Bosnia, see:
http://tinyurl.com/2k8yxg [wapo]
On Northern Ireland, see:
http://tinyurl.com/2ff9xe ... this time not a comedian,
but a Nobel Prize winner.
http://tinyurl.com/2ff9xe
(this time not a comedian, but a Nobel Prize winner)
This kind of thing is beyond "mere sleaze" like this:
http://tinyurl.com/2sbrjo
I know this is really long [20min], but it is a much more
eloquent and cogent version of "why i [psb] hate hillary clinton"
than i could put together:
http://lessig.org/blog/2008/02/20_minutes_or_so_on_why_i_am_4.html
It's about a month out of date but still very worth listening to,
particularly if you have come to appreciate "character matters"
It's about a month out of date but still very much worth listening
to, particularly if you have come to appreciate "character matters"
in who you vote for, rather than just the policy bundle [which a
lot of ex-BUSHCO supporters have come to realize]. I strongly,
strongly, strongly encourage any fence sitters of good conscience
to watch that [if you have both feet on the Hillary side, I dont
have much to say to you]. --psb
\_ Some girl who wants to ***** my ***** out is for Hillary.
so I'm for Hillary.
\_ Thanks for posting the url though. I wonder if I can find
an Obama girl...
\- one reason the anti-abortion nutjobs and are powerful
beyond their numbers, is they are spending their friday
nights and sat afternoons agitating, while "apathetic"`
younger people are out tring to find people to ***** their
***** out. but supposedly people can combine activism and
socializing in the obama campaign [this is secondhand].
i thought most of the people you'ld have met at a hillary
rally are menopausal women and economic losers? anyway,
after you both go your own ways, be sure to tell her the
only reason you "went through the hillary supporting
motions" was so she'd "go through the motions". be sure
to refer to hillary as "the sanctimonious hypocritical
liar" so she knows which hillary you are talking about.
\_ Uhm, I suspect most people reading the motd have already had
their shot at primary voting. Who are you trying to convince? |
| 2008/3/23-27 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49543 Activity:nil 90%like:49537 |
3/22 Obama retakes lead in Gallup
http://preview.tinyurl.com/35lwoq [gallup]
\_ GOBAMA! |
| 2008/3/22-24 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49537 Activity:nil 90%like:49543 |
3/22 Obama retakes lead in Gallup
http://www.gallup.com/poll/105529/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Edges-Ahead-Clinton.aspx |
| 2008/3/21-24 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49524 Activity:nil |
3/21 State Department refusing to release names of passport-breaching
employees
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/todays_must_read_300.php
\_ It would give aid and comfort to the terrorists. |
| 2008/3/20-25 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49520 Activity:nil |
3/20 2 State Department Employees fired for looking at Barack Obama's
passport file. WTF?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/obama_passport
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23736254
Apparently there were three breaches over the past three months.
This smells really bad, given the Bush Administration's habit of
replacing career bureacracts with Republican operatives.
\_ Wouldn't be a Repub conspiracy if they didn't fire them?
\_ Didn't Clinton have the FBI do the same thing?
\- yes, and then they made lame comments like "well we stopped
at the letter G". and "we were evaluating if they were
security risks, and we were considering giving them jobs"
... so did they consider james baker iii a possible security
risk or a possible clinton admin job candidate?
\_ Fired? I bet they get a promotion:
http://www.csua.org/u/l33 |
| 2008/3/14-17 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:49458 Activity:nil |
3/14 Yay! Dem-led congress rejects earmark reforms!
\_ Earmark reform is a strange beast. It is arguable people mad
at something but taking it out on the wrong tool. Earmarks
by nature are not evil. Earmark != pork.
\_ Yes, all earmark = pork.
\_ Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
We won't be fooled again!
\_ "earmark reform" is one of those great conservative
ideology-laden terms, like "tax reform" and "welfare reform."
Conservatives don't really have a problem with earmarks; they
just don't want to provide public services. -tom
\_ Case in point, 2000-2006 congresses were the worst ever
with respect to earmarks, but now that the Democrats got
control Bush and the republicans in congress have been
complaining about earmarks long and loud. The democrats did
push through a bill that required that the earmarker actually
be named in an earmark so that you could see what congresscritter
asked for what earmarks, which was something that could not
pass when the republicans controlled congress.
\_ Note: Obama has released his earmarks. Hillary "I've got
a secret" Clinton has not as of yet. McCain hasn't been
doing earmarks for a while. |
| 2008/3/13-17 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:49450 Activity:low |
3/13 Oops, the media has finally noticed Obama's racist preacher.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWvxTUy47Fk
\_ Racist.
\_ Obama's response:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.html
http://preview.tinyurl.com/23hqyu [huffington post]
I'm sure the media will give him exacty the same treatment as they
do when Pat Robertson makes some off the wall remarks. Yep.
Totally sure.
\_ Pat Robertson is responsible for what he says. Obama is not
responsible for what someone else says. Understand the
difference? |
| 2008/3/12-13 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49437 Activity:nil |
3/12 I watch BBC everyday to get away from US news yet it keeps
talking about Clinton vs. Obama. Really pisses me off. |
| 2008/3/12-13 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49433 Activity:nil |
3/12 Sinbad bags on Hillary's "crisis" experience in Kosovo
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2ol5ob [washington post]
\_ Old news, posted below on 3/10
\_ Huh, I missed that. -op |
| 2008/3/12 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49430 Activity:nil |
3/12 Does Geri Ferraro not realize what a fucking hypocrite she is?
"Clinton wouldn't be in the position she is if she was a man." |
| 2008/3/11-13 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49429 Activity:high |
3/11 13 scandals, all Republicans labeled as such, only one D labeled: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Blotter/popup?id=2841254&contentIndex=1&page=1 \_ False. Look again. Is Tobias Republican? How about West? \_ Ooh, you're right. They failed to label 2 R's. Compared to all but one D. \_ Or you could say that they failed to label 2 R's and 3 D's one of whom was President Clinton. Does anyone really know one of whom was President Clinton. Does anyone really not know that Clinton was a Democrat? But they did pick twice as many R scandals. Is that liberal bias or just the fact that R's have been getting in hot water more lately? |
| 2008/3/11-13 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49418 Activity:nil |
3/10 The smoking gun on Hillary's foreign policy claims is...Sinbad?!
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/03/sinbad_unloads_on_hillary_clin.html
\_ And this, kids, is why you don't fluff your resume. |
| 2008/3/10-13 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:49408 Activity:low |
3/10 I love this expose of the liberal media circle.
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/7060
thinkprogress -> media matters -> Keith Olbermann -> media matters ->
new york times
\_ So if I go on national tv and ask if George Bush rapes little
boys that's totally just you know, sillyness?
\_ You haven't watched the clip, obviously. -emarkp
\_ Even if done in jest, it is the sort of thing that adds up.
Especially when done on a serious news program.
\_ Sorry, you're an idiot. Beck has called the people who are
asking if Obama is the Anti-Christ, "crazy" and "nutjobs".
Mockery and sarcasm are common and reasonable ways to express
an opinion. -emarkp
\_ It's the way the mockery and sarcasm are presented. Find
me a talking head asking "Is George Bush a Nazi?" on a
national news show. I doubt you'll find it.
\_ So you still haven't watched the clip? -emarkp
\_ Ah yes, the "liberal media."
\_ Yes, precisely. -emarkp
\_ Exactly how "liberal" did you find the NYTimes series on WMD?
A little bit, a lot, or extremely? Damn liberals!
\_ How fair did you find the front-page utterly fabricated
smear on McCain? A little bit, a lot, or extremely?
\_ The Times sucks. No disagreement from me. But calling
them the "liberal media" is ignoring reality.
\_ Yes, you're repeatedly denied that they're liberal.
However, they consistently err on the side of
criticizing the right. -emarkp
\_ Except for their years-long crusade on behalf
of the Whitewater investigation, their shameful
series on WMD from Judith Miller, etc...
\_ Ah, I wrote "consistently". My bad. I meant
to say they do so in the overwhelming majority.
-emarkp
\_ I'm not sure what you base this
"overwhelming majority" assertion on.
They infuriate me on a daily basis.
--liberal
\_ Hypothesis: The right is worthy of
criticism more often.
\_ Odd hypothesis, and probably difficult to
test.
\_ Eliot Spitzer, the Democratic mayor of
[prove]
\_ Eliot Spitzer, the Democratic gvrnr of
New York just got busted on a connection
with a prostitution ring (!?). -- ilyas
\_ ... which the Times is doing a huge
story on.
\_ yes. And note, he wasn't
"connected with a prostitution
ring"; he hired a prostitute. -tom
\_ Governor of NY State.
\_ Yes sorry, fixed. -- ilyas
\_ I disagree. They just tend to go after
whoever is in power, which is part of the
role of media as government watchdog. See
the huge above the fold story about Spitzer
right now. It has just been so long since
the Democrats were in power, that people
have forgotten the role the NYT played in
attacking Clinton, Rostenkowski, etc. The
NYT might be slightly more liberal than
most, but that is just a reflection of
their readership. Overall, they are just
another big corporation, controlled by
billionaires and in the business of selling
ads. Why do you believe otherwise?
\_ If their role is to go after those in
power, why did they play such a major
role in aiding and abetting the WMD
shenanigans and in going into Iraq in
the first place?
\_ War against a foreign country only
happens when the moneyed classes think
they are going to profit from it.
-George Orwell
\_ I guess I've never seen Keith Olbermann before, he looks like he's
made of plastic. |
| 2008/3/10-13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49404 Activity:nil 88%like:49402 |
3/10 Why there won't be a second Florida primary:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2yz4s2 [new republic] |
| 2008/3/10 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49402 Activity:nil 88%like:49404 |
3/10 Why there won't be a second Florida primary:
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=8da17f52-5cff-4a48-9d49-a7d2293aefd9 |
| 2008/3/9-11 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:49398 Activity:moderate |
3/9 Basically, the math is simple. Hillary's screwed.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/9/184226/0219/795/473137
\- i wouldnt discount the out-of-the-box thinking capacity of the
reptiles in hillary inc. i think factors in play are florida.,
michigan, edwards, ALGOR, "obama surprise", some judicial stunt,
mccain doing something to set up mccain-billary, modelling the
brains of menopausal women aka "the hillary base". on a positive
note is lot of cash for obama. who can keep supporting hillary
after the fucking "as far as i know" comment. jesus. remember
normal odds handicapping doesnt work when the otherwise doesnt
play by MoQ rules but will bite, gouge, hit under the belt etc.
brains of menopausal women aka "the hillary base" and the Power
of Bill. on a positive note is lot of cash for obama. who can keep
supporting hillary after the fucking "as far as i know" comment.
jesus. remember normal odds handicapping doesnt work when the
otherwise doesnt play by MoQ rules but will bite, gouge, hit
other sidedoesnt play by MoQ rules but will bite, gouge, hit
under the belt etc.
\_ Hi. Hillary supporter here. what is the 'as far as i know'
thing?
\_ Clinton was asked in an interview whether BHO is a Muslim.
She basically said "No, he's not. As far as I know."
\_ oh. ok that's pretty bad.
\- and then she went on to talk about herself ...
"oh i dont believe in smearing people ...
i've been smeared a lot. did i tell you i know
what it is like to be smeared?" constrast that
with obama's above and beyond the call comments
about "i am not a muslim" + "it's sad that
being called a muslim can be considered a smear".
remember michael igantieff's lesson from iraq:
character matters. [i.e. if you get into bed with
evil fuckers just because you agree with them
on some particlar end [say universal healthcare]
you will get burned.
remember michael ignatieff's lesson from his
iraq war mea culpa: character matters [MI = liberal
supporter of the war, who later came to the reali-
zation, if you get into bed with evil fuckers,
just because you agree with them on some particular
policy platform --- say universal healthcare ---
you will get burned ... because ultimately what
matters is they are evil fuckers.]
\- also see:
http://tinyurl.com/2ewyx6
\_ Here's the video:
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=55904 |
| 2008/3/8-11 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49389 Activity:nil 90%like:49388 |
3/8 Oops, looks like Obama may have actually won Texas
http://csua.org/u/kzq (npr)
\_ That was expected, since Obama does so well in caucuses. IIRC I
heard that the Clinton campaign was trying to supress the reporting
of the outcome of the caucuses so she could claim victory on the
night of.
\_ Why do we let republicans like you come on here to bash hillary?
She's the smartest woman in the world and it's about time a
woman ran this country. Take your hate elsewhere.
\- Sandra Day O'Conner is 10x smarter than Hillary. |
| 2008/3/8 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49388 Activity:nil 90%like:49389 |
3/8 Oops, looks like Obama may have actually won Texas
http://www.npr.org/blogs/news/2008/03/texas_twostep_leaving_dems_fla_1.html |
| 2008/3/6-7 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49371 Activity:nil |
3/6 No one remembers that the national Dems warned FL Dems not to have
their early primary? And FL Dems chose to do it anyway (deciding not
to have a caucus later)?
http://www.sptimes.com/2007/06/13/State/Florida_primary_will_.shtml
\_ I remember, why did you forget or something? The FL voters
are always trying to twist the rules to their advantage, remember
2000?
\_ That wasn't the voters |
| 2008/3/5-7 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49347 Activity:nil 90%like:49344 |
3/5 America is "just downright mean" says Mrs. Obama
http://preview.tinyurl.com/23jjtf (newyorker.com) |
| 2008/3/5 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:49344 Activity:nil 90%like:49347 |
3/5 America is "just downright mean" says Mrs. Obama
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/03/10/080310fa_fact_collins?currentPage=3 |
| 2008/3/1-5 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49312 Activity:low |
3/1 holy shit Hillary Clinton is on Saturday Night Live! She must
be desperate or something. I feel sorry for her.
\_ Well yeah, her campaign was dead weeks ago. Hail Mary!
\_ Appearing on the Arsenio Hall Show worked for Bill.
\_ Arsenio Hall Show circa 1992 wasn't nearly as bad (and unwatched)
as the current SNL season.
\- i think some of the OBAMA v HILARY answers on 60m tonight
were insightful as to why i personally hate hilary and
like obama more. and this is one question where i think my
reaction was somewhat representative of wide range of people:
when obama was asked about the "hussein smear", he stated
clearly that he was an xtian and the went the UNNECESSARY
AND POLITCALLY RISKY BUT PRINCIPLED extra mile to comment
on "not that claiming somebody is a muslim should be a slur".
now contract that wil hillary's answers to the episode where
she said weaslely things like "yes, to the best of my
knowledge obama is not a muslim" and then proceeded to talk
about herself ... about how "i know what it is to be smeared"
etc.
\_ *That* is why you hate her? That's just typical political
dissembling. There are many reasons to hate her, but that
is hardly the top of the list. Anyway, in 48 hours it'll
over be "officially" over because she already lost a month
ago out in reality-world.
\- no that is just emblematic, jsut like i dont hate BUSHCO
because of his flippant, cowbowish comments, but that
too is emblematic. in the obama case, going the extra
mile and making the "pro muslim" commnt comes at a
(potental) cost.
\_ did some Desperate Hillarite delete this to keep
people from seeing what a fool she made of herself?
\- in same the spirit, see Tom Dashle [Obama] vs
Harold Ickes [Billary] on CROSE show.
HICKIES sounds like the anti-google people ...
"people who prefer searching on GOOG dont
realize our search engine is better" "do you
trust GOOG to tell you what to think?" "GOOG
is a vulnurable company built on one idea".
but of course maybe it is unfair to judge
them based on a guy who has been a professional
weasel since 1968. n.b. HICKES went to The Fraud.
Speaking of fraud: http://tinyurl.com/ypskol |
| 2008/2/29-3/4 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:49305 Activity:nil 97%like:49298 |
2/28 The lying, despicable campaign to turn Jews against Obama
http://preview.tinyurl.com/38zy54 (tpm)
\_ Man, I keep misreading this as:
'The lying, despicable campaign of the Jews against Obama'
\_ I read the first 10 paragraphs or so before I couldn't take it
anymore. This opinion piece is just stupid and fact free.
\_ So you think that attempting to Godwin Obama is legit?
\_ No one is Godwining Obama. Or if they are this 'article'
certainly doesn't make a strong case for it. The flip side
of the Godwin thing is that you're not being Godwinned if the
charges are true, which remains to be seen in Obama's case,
since he's a good speaker but doesn't say much.
\_ I see. So you're in bed with the smear tactics. Cool,
got it.
\_ That line doesn't even make sense. Shessh. -!pp
\_ Classic case of reading what you want to read, instead
of reading what was said. Your Rhetoric 1A grade to
date is "F," but you still have time to pull it up to a
"C" if you work at it and come to office hours every
week. -pp
\_ This really is a poorly written article. It's making a mountain of
a molehill (Tim Russert) who was already making a molehill of a
pebble (Farrakhan). It's like cascading stupidity.
\- i thought it was a decent article. it is about more than
just the tim russert issue. it might have been nice to have
a few more facts about how "marginal" farrakhan is, but i can
understand why he didnt get into it ... i think most of his
audience would have been willing to accept farrakhan = nutjob
and you dont need to do much more than draw the analogy to an
endorsement from David Duke. |
| 2008/2/29-3/4 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49299 Activity:nil |
2/28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3gQfz8GC0o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etk_O-nhlA4 \_ Hillary cackles in response to serious questions as technique to avoid answering same questions. Amusing but not really meaningful now since her campaign ended Feb 5th. |
| 2008/2/29 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:49298 Activity:nil 97%like:49305 |
2/28 The lying, despicable campaign to turn Jews against Obama
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/29/the_lying_despicable_campaign |
| 2008/2/29 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49297 Activity:nil |
2/28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etk_O-nhlA4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etk_O-nhlA4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3gQfz8GC0o |
| 2008/2/28-3/4 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity] UID:49283 Activity:nil |
2/28 http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0406-30.htm Republicans, as a group, may be happier because, on average, they prioritize personal goals and largely identify with people similar to them. Compared with Democrats and Independents, their main goals are narrower and more selfish, and thus more easily obtained. \_ Dems need to get the fuck smarter AND co-opt self-reliance \_ What are the goals of (D) and (I)? If your goals are pie in the sky and truly unreachable of course you'll be unhappy. This has nothing to do with your trolling. \_ Rich people are happier than poor people. Does this surprise anyone? \_ Actually past a certain poverty level, it's not entirely clear this is true. -- ilyas |
| 2008/2/26-3/4 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49259 Activity:nil 92%like:49258 |
2/26 Interesting article about Obama's policy team
http://preview.tinyurl.com/3cn6xr (tnr.com)
\_ That is interesting. Thanks. It will be nice to have a president
more interested in competence than ideology.
\_ So if he had people who you didn't agree with would you still
say they are competent? |
| 2008/2/26 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49258 Activity:nil 92%like:49259 |
2/26 Interesting article about Obama's policy team
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=4d40a39e-8f57-4054-bd99-94bc9d19be1a |
| 2008/2/25-29 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:49248 Activity:nil |
2/25 Why Obama Hates America
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JB26Aa01.html
It's even better than you think.
\_ Wow, just wow. Fortunately he's pretty good at responding to this
tripe.
\_ I think he prefers tendon, rare steak, brisket, and finally
tripe in that order.
\_ There's never a rare steak, brisket, flank combo. Irritating.
\_ You obviously don't eat Pho.
\_ This the magazine that ran the editorial "Why I Hate Blacks"
http://www.nbc11.com/news/11128382/detail.html |
| 2008/2/25-26 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49234 Activity:nil |
2/24 Clinton campaign caught circulating photo of Obama in traditional
Somali garb:
http://drudgereport.com/flashoa.htm
Clinton campaign non-denial denial:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/179989.php
\_ Is that a fake photo?
\_ Nope, it's from a 2006 congressional delegation to Somalia
\_ Nope, it's from a 2006 congressional delegation to Kenya
Senators and reps do this sort of thing all the time - go to
foreign country, try on the traditional outfit. The slime is
in the suggestion that there's anything wrong with the picture.
[just keep on deleting and I'll keep restoring] |
| 2008/2/18-21 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:49176 Activity:nil |
2/16 Poverty is Poison:
http://www.csua.org/u/ksu
\_ You know, this article started off good until it got to "But
progress stalled thereafter: American politics shifted to
the right..." which has the effect of turning off 1/2 of the
readers in the U.S. On the other hand, I don't know any
conservative reading NY times so maybe it's well fitted.
\- if you are interested in this topic, read WHY ZEBRAS DONT GET
ULCERS. very, very good book. [the book is primarily about
something else, but coverns this in some depth as well]. --psb |
| 2008/2/16-18 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49166 Activity:nil 54%like:49156 |
2/15 Obama and Clinton bribe the superdelegates:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/384jru (ap.google.com) |
| 2008/2/15-16 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49162 Activity:nil |
2/15 http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i5y6nS4ErwjpwekMrJe53uPrnTcwD8UQCMEG2 :wq le |
| 2008/2/15 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49156 Activity:nil 54%like:49166 |
2/15 http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i5y6nS4ErwjpwekMrJe53uPrnTcwD8UQCMEG2 Obama and Clinton bribe the superdelegates. |
| 2008/2/11-14 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President] UID:49116 Activity:nil |
2/11 Awesome. Pennies and Nickels are now worth twice their face value in
metals.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/07/60minutes/main3801455.shtml |
| 2008/2/11-14 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Computer/SW/Languages/Perl] UID:49115 Activity:nil |
2/11 Clinton's campaign manager replaced with a perl script. News at 11. |
| 2008/1/25-2/2 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49017 Activity:nil |
1/25 Looks like Giuliani is out
http://www.pollster.com/blogs
\_ Likely, but remember polls are worth absolutely nothing.
\_ Giuliani's strategy is to lose in every state and then declare
this year is "opposite year" |
| 2008/1/23-31 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:48991 Activity:low |
1/22 Sweet, Bush's stimulus package is nearly *twice as large* as the
one Clinton proposed in 1993, but couldn't get passed. Go
Bushonomics!
\_ So who are you blasting? Is it a good idea that was unfairly spiked
in 1993, so....Bush is bad?
\_ Dunno about op, but I find it to be more evidence of how BushCo
is lacking in principles, even ones I don't support. Morally
bankrupt doesn't do it justice.
\_ Wait, wasn't congress a majority D in 1993? What does this
have to do with BushCo? Okay, now checking:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/103rd_United_States_Congress
The D's had a majority in both houses and the presidency. How
does what they failed to pass mean anything wrt Bush?
\_ Clinton proposed a stimulus package that would have raised
the Deficit; har, har, snicker conservatives, typical Dem.
Bush proposes _twice as large_ stim package, yet pretends
to be fiscally conservative Rep in the tradition of Reagan.
The irony is enough to cure world-wide anemia.
\_ Reagan was never fiscally conservative.
Reagan == trickle down economics. High deficit spending
is not being fiscally conservative. Ron Paul is the
only current candidate promoting fiscal conservativism.
\_ Bush hasn't pretended to be fiscally conservative for a
long time. It's why he's lost a lot of his base. See
the thread from 1/18 on that very topic. -emarkp
\_ Now you're memorizing threads+date? Dang you're
a major motd-snob.
\_ more like a major motd-geek than a motd-snob.
\_ No, I'm not memorizing it, I just remember
mentioning it a few days ago. Checking the history
was easy. -emarkp
\_ Yes, you know that, I know that, lots of people
know that. He still keeps pretending.
\_ So the real story is that Clinton proposed an R idea, and a D
congress shot it down?
\_ The real story is that there are no conspiracies. It's all out
in the open.
\_ These economic stimulus packages are bogus and don't address the
fact that the economy is being hollowed out and the financial
system is out of control due to lack of any kind of regulation.
Out of control lending and speculation, twin deficits over a
trillion a year is setting up the system for collapse, all this
shit Bush and the Fed are doing is just delaying the inevitable.
\_ The important thing is delaying shit hitting the fan until
someone else takes over, then it's their problem.
\_ Yup -- the shit will hit the fan around 2010/2012 when
peak oil arrives so whatever party wins the election
will get one term and then get dumped (see Carter)
\_ You're totally nuts if you think Carter got kicked out
because of oil prices or economic events his
administration wasn't mostly responsible for. Maybe
you also heard of this little thing called The Iran
Hostage Crisis? Are you old enough to remember the
daily count-up on the news reminding us yet another
day had gone by while our people were held by a
foreign power while Carter stood around with two thumbs
up his ass telling us how America should get used to
being a third rate power? Sheesh. I could go on but
there's no point.
\_ I had forgotthen how Reagan solved the Iran hostage
crisis in the first 5 minutes of his Presidency ...
\_ I'm sure you forgot because it has nothing at all
to do with anything I said about Carter. Nice
try.
\_ PEEK OIL!!!!11!!
\_ Yeah, we got to this point for a reason. Cutting the rate
more and spending more is just digging the hole deeper. Maybe
it will prop up housing again for a while with more cheap credit.
\_ Isn't the economy more than twice as large today?
\_ Not even close. It's like ~9:13. 1:1.7 in real dollars.
(According to US budget tables.)
\_ Is Bush's budget stimulus twice as large in real dollars
or nominal dollars? In nominal dollars the economy is
almost exactly twice as big:
http://www.forecasts.org/data/data/GDP.htm
\_ For some reason I was comparing against 2000. You're
right about nominal dollars vs. 1993. But in real dollars
it's still only like 33% bigger. Hooray for inflation.
And that also assumes the government CPI shit is accurate.
(I'll let the op figure out whatever he was referring to.) |
| 2008/1/22-31 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:48984 Activity:nil |
1/22 This Clinton sleeping thing seems fine to me. The speech he's listening
to here appears 100% content-free.
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=33364 |
| 2008/1/10-12 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:48926 Activity:nil |
1/10 RIP Sir Edmund Hillary
\_ The one Clinton was named after? |
| 2007/12/4-7 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:48740 Activity:nil |
12/4 Did Hillary troll the media?
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/12/clinton-aide-sa.html |
| 2007/12/3-6 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:48734 Activity:high |
12/3 The primaries finally get interesting
http://csua.org/u/k58
Any predictions on who will take the R nomination? I have no idea,
Except that I think Giuliani is done.
\_ I think that if Giuliani falls down it will be Romney and
he will get even less of the vote than Dukakis did.
\_ Heard on the radio this morning that Romney's counting on a win
in Iowa or going home. Is Huckabee really the choice candidate?
\_ Well, he's a socialist. He belives that compassion means
taking *someone else's* money to give to the needy.
\_ Romney would win Utah.
\_ Pretty much any R would win Utah.
\_ Well, I actually meant he would win Utah and no other state.
\_ Well, I actually meant he would win Utah and no other
state.
\_ Why do you think that?
\_ I think Huckabee is looking more and more like the best the R's
can do this year. It would make for an interesting race, to say
the least.
\_ Huckabee is the current darling of the religious right who are
obsessed with the bogus concept of stacking the supreme court
so they can over turn RvW. If they actually knew anything about
him (or you either for that matter), it would be obvious that
Huckabee offers the worst of both left and right wing while
offering none of the positives of either. If the RR stayed
home we'd all be better off. Huckabee isn't going anywhere.
--conservative
\_ Huckabee is an ass and would fall apart once the non faithful
took ANY look at him.
\_ Huckabee called for a national smoking ban in public places.
http://www.breitbart.tv/html/4958.html
\_ Did it occur to him that it's unconstitutional for the Fed
to legistlate something like that?
\_ Why do you think it would be unconstitutional?
\_ 10th amendment?
\_ The Constitution is just a piece of paper.
\_ Hi troll.
\_ "The powers not delegated to the United States by
the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the
states, are reserved to the states respectively,
or to the people."
Since pharmaceuticals are not mentioned in the
constitution, do you really think the Gov. has no
right/obligation to regulate them?
\_ What do you think that says?
\_ On that logic just about any regulatory body
is unconstitutional, but guess what, the
FCC, the FDA, etc etc, are all pretty well
entrenched.
\_ I agree, but I'm wondering why the person
who thinks it's unconstitutional thinks
it's so in the face of the etc etc you
mentioned.
\_ Hello, you may wish to see Art. 1, Sec. 8
Cl. 18 (the "necessary and proper clause")
and McCulloch, 17 US 316 (1819) re the
constitutionality of the FCC, FDA, &c.
and McCulloch, 17 US 316 (1819).
\_ Income tax is unconstitutional, too. |
| 2007/12/3-6 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:48733 Activity:moderate |
12/3 Perot was right:
http://www.csua.org/u/k50 (SF Gate)
\_ about what, dubya being an idiot?
\_ Ron Paul > Perot
\_ Damning with faint praise?
\_ What was bad about Perot? Was Clinton better?
\_ <doubletake> Huh?!?
\_ It's R code. A vote for perot was a vote for clinton.
\_ Perot was a protest vote for those who thought the
party was drifting. The contract with america was
the response to that protest. Then it all fell to shit. |
| 2007/11/30-12/6 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:48722 Activity:kinda low |
11/30 http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/30/clinton.office/index.html Liberals dressed up as Republicans hold hostages in Clinton 08 Campaign Office to gain sympathy and hatred for Republicans. \_ What makes you think they are liberals? Sounds more like Islamo-Facists to me. \_ Until we hear more, I suspect your average loony. \_ "The suspect was a well-known local man with a history of emotional issues who allegedly told his son to watch the news, a well-placed law enforcement source told ABC News' Pierre Thomas." http://blogs.abcnews.com/rapidreport/2007/11/hostage-situati.html \_ Huh? Is Karl Rove working for the Democrats now? That's his kind of trick. \_ "If you found out that Hillary Clinton was a satan-worshipping lesbian who kidnapped and tortured her own campaign staff, would it make you any less likely to vote for her?" \_ Hell no, she'd still be better than any Republican. \_ Except Ron Paul \_ That reply explains so much seen on the motd. \_ It was a Jew. Probably one of those deranged settler types. \_ I'm still waiting for my share of Global Jewish Power. I sent in the SASE and everything. --Forgotten by ZOG \_ Yes, I WANT ME GOLD. -- ilyas \_ I didn't get my share of gold in the mail either. -Forgotten |
| 2007/11/28-12/6 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:48707 Activity:nil |
11/28 Zogby responds to (Clinton insider) Mark Penn's criticism of the recent
poll showing Hillary trailing Republican frontrunners
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1394
\_ Why does Zogby hate Hillary? |
| 2007/11/24-29 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:48688 Activity:high |
11/23 John Howard loses not only the national election, but his own seat.
Another Bush lapdog goes down.
\_ Kevin Rudd: We're pulling out of Iraq, and we're signing the
Kyoto Treaty. Smackdown!
\_ You people with Bush Derangement Syndrome are funny! Everyone is
Bush's lapdog.
\- funny-but-not-really was the "coalition of the willing".
[c.f. Costa Rica, Palau, Tonga]. if you hate minke whales
[the "rats of the sea"], this is actually kinda funny:
"Pro-whaling Mali and Mongolia have consistently
voted with Japan in the IWC in its campaign to
resume whale hunting. [http://tinyurl.com/2ekq52]
See also:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2073945,00.html
BTW, JHOWARD also took flack for a number of "conservative"
ideas in domestic/econ policies, not just "war on terror"
issues. --!OP
\_ Cf. Aussie immigration policy, Pauline Hansen (better us
than her lot, eh?), Fiji, Indonesia, and the rapid
deterioration of Aussie cricket and rugby. Good on yer,
John!
\_ Not as funny as people with Clinton Derangement Syndrome.
\_ Sorry, but it's at least twice as funny as CDS because of the
self-contradictory nature of BDS. Bush is simultaneously a
bumbling fool and a genius criminal mastermind/manipulator?
At least CDS is consistent - Clinton let crap happen because
he was too busy chasing booty/food?
\_ I am pretty consistently of the "bush is a bumbling
fool who has fucked up the entire world" kind of guy
myself.
fool who has messed up the entire world" school
of thought, myself
\_ You mean he killed Vince Foster and gave nuclear secrets
to the Chinese by accident while chasing booty?
\_ According to people with CDS, Hilary was behind these.
\_ http://www.csua.org/u/k2j (NewsMax, I know...)
"How did the Chinese catch up so fast? Easy. We sold
them all the technology they needed . or handed it
over for free. Neither neglect nor carelessness is
to blame. Bill Clinton did it on purpose."
\_ A fool in a position of power can still reward his friends.
Or commit crimes. Or spend money, or initiate wars.
\_ But only a genius master manipulator can get away with
it.
\_ It is not clear that he got away with it.
\_ Bush is the greatest Republican President ever! Better than
Reagan! Better than Lincoln! We will build shrines in his
honor, put his face on Mt. Rushmore and the Two Dollar Bill!
http://www.csua.org/u/ify (Mission Accomplished!)
\_ You mean the 2/3 of America that doesn't like Bush, as opposed
to you 30% that still think he is swell? Do you really think
that 2/3 of America is deranged?
\_ Disliking != derangement. See, it's the deranged that say that
a second-longest-in-power PM getting ousted is "another Bush
lapdog" going down. -op
\- Bush Derangement Syndrome? perhaps. i do hope that he lives
long enough to be tried for his role in Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo,
and the kidnapping, "extraordinary rendition", and torture of
people around the world (who sometimes turn out to be innocent).
but what i hate are Bush's policies. it doesn't really matter
whether he's the evil mastermind behind the policies or a
cretinous sock puppet with Dick Cheney's hand shoved up his ass
making his mouth move (though i tend to suspect the latter).
regardless, i'm delighted when supporters of his policies get
voted out of office.
\_ You're seriously deluded if you believe he'll ever be tried
for so much as a traffic violation much less anything else
on your list. Most of your list is post 9/11 but do you
know that extraordinary rendition was a Clinton era policy?
Yes, Bush continued it but his administration sure as hell
didn't come up with the idea. Should Clinton be tried for
that? If you don't think so or you have some other
rationalization then you suffer from BDS. There is no cure.
\_ Heh, have you known psb long?
\_ Yes but there's always hope.
\- what does this have to do with me?
the only thing i wrote in theis thread was the
minke whale comment above. i'm not holding my breath
but i could see something like what happened to
pinochet happening to bush/rumsfeld/cheney ...
bush should be around for a while. --psb
\_ Bill Clinton should be indicted for the murder of Ed Willey,
Vince Foster and Ron Brown.
\_ Bill Clinton should be indicted for the murder of Ed
Willey, Vince Foster and Ron Brown.
\_ Maybe but first the cases should be properly
investigated. I know the first 2 weren't. I don't
know the RB details. |
| 2007/10/30-11/2 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:48484 Activity:low |
10/29 I'm watching an interview with Denis Kucinich's wife. RISE UP
NERDS. GET THIS GUY ELECTED. jesus christ.
\_ She's hot. He's smart. Together, they're unelectable, but they
fight crine! Also, his appearance on COLBERT was superb.
\_ Kucinich is an opportunistic douche bag, and dirty to the core.
Read up on his record when he was in Ohio state politics. -dans
\_ I'm curious why you think he was "dirty". I am not from Ohio
like you. I have read about how he was unpopular as mayor
because he supported a city owned electric company, but years
later, after he has been out of office for a long time, it seems
like the city is pretty fucking happy they own the electic
company. Find me some dirt!
\_ dans, are you a Hillary supporter?
\_ I'm not entirely decided but I lean more toward Obama than
Clinton. -dans
\_ I'm not from Ohio, but I have friends who are. ObGoogle to
find your dirt. It's not that well hidden. -dans
\_ Name the (D) front runner who isn't dirty.
\_ s/(D)/(D) or (R)/
\_ Only Democrats are dirty. Republicans all believe in
God, Country and The Boy Scouts.
\_ And foot-tapping in public restrooms.
\_ The topic was Dems, so I said Dems. Name any front
runner who isn't dirty. I don't care which party.
Still waiting....
\_ Ok, what's dirty about Obama and Romney? Obama is a
racist, but he's pretty upfront about it.
\_ Oh please.
\_ Oh please what? Buy me an ice cream cone?
\_ Oh please stop spouting some of the most
pathetic smears about Obama without at least
giving some "proof" we can laugh at.
\_ Basically I read his book. I'm busy this
week, I'll start a new topic sometime
soon. Have you read his book?
\_ So I guess you never stopped diddling
little boys.
\_ IMO, all national level politicians have some dirt, it's just
that some are dirtier than other. Don't be disingenuous, you
could have just as easily said, Name a presidential front
runner who isn't dirty. Dirt is a range, not a binary switch.
-dans
\_ GO RON PAUL - principled computer programmer who thinks they are
wise
\_ Hillary Rodham Clinton
\_ You and the Romney guy are both hilarious.
I'm voting for Ron Paul, because you gotta
love an OB/GYN in the White House (Clinton
doesn't count).
\_ Me too. What do you think of Duncan Hunter?
\_ I asked you what's dirty about them, apparently
you have no response.
\_ CliTton ain't no OB/GYN. He's an
otolaryngologist.
\_ link? |
| 2007/10/18-19 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:48365 Activity:nil |
10/18 It's not just the Religious Right:
http://csua.org/u/jr9 (WashPo)
\_ Why do you hate America? |
| 2007/10/15-18 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:48326 Activity:low |
10/15 The House pushing a resolution about the Armenian Genocide,
The president asks the Speaker of the House to pull the legislation
from the floor.
Year: 2000
Speaker: Hastert
President: Clinton
http://csua.org/u/jqi
(Washington Post)
\_ In 2000 we didn't need Turkey to short path supplies to our
soldiers. Was that your point?
\_ Setting up for the old Dolchstosslegende so soon? I guess
you guys have finally seen that your crazy crusade is going
to fail.
\_ The washington post, right wing super conservative news
organ, disagrees with you. If you think pissing off your
closest allies during war is good diplomacy.... |
| 2007/10/12-19 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:48302 Activity:high |
10/12 Awesome. http://csua.org/u/jq0 (ebay auction of... oh, who cares, it's partisan crap disguised as a short url. Op, did you happen to see your dignity on auction while you were there?) \_ Actually it's about accuracy, and Reid's inability to find it with both hands. \_ Actually, it is about Rush Limbaugh's attempt to rewrite history, something he does all the time. Where are his transcripts of him calling Chelsea Clinton the "White House Dog?" http://mediamatters.org/items/200709270010 See where he calls them "phony soldiers." \_ Yeah, http://mm.org has been arguing against the truth for quite a while. Limbaugh clearly was talking about actual phony soldiers. See "Operation Stolen Valor". Limbaugh went on to talk about McBride and others like him. talk about Macbeth and others like him. \_ I heard it live, in context. He was clearly not turning his back on 20+ years of pro-military rhetoric. Reid and http://mm.org got it wrong. The only way they could get it so wrong was by intentionally ignoring the facts. Rush is an amusing entertainer and not worthy of this sort of waste of time on the Senate floor nor a ridiculous witch hunt. Especially since he's said plenty of other things worth attacking that he's actually said. \_ Another "phony soldier" no doubt: http://www.csua.org/u/jq2 Rush only calls you a phony if you don't support Bush's war. \_ If you ever actually listened to Rush you'd know he's said many times that he has no problem with real soldiers being critical of the war. Just the fakes and frauds like the guy he was talking about that day who flunked out of basic but falsely claimed to be a US Army ranger who committed and witnessed numerous atrocities. You're tossing a red herring. Reid is a liar. Media Matters (a Hillary created front org) are liars. The other 40 Senators who signed his stupid letter are liars. If you want to bash Bush or the war, go ahead, but that has nothing to do with Reid, Hillary, and the rest flat out lying about what Rush said and wasting Senate time attacking a US citizen's first amendment rights. Have a nice day. \_ First off, what proof do you have that the first caller was a phony soldier, which is what Rush clearly called him? Secondly, Media Matters is hardly a Hillary created front org, it was founded by David Brock, someone I personally know from my time at Wired Magazine and it is funded by Soros. As usual, you are either confused or spreading misinformation. Soros. As usual, you are spreading misinformation. \_ The first caller was a phony soldier? What are you talking about? I don't think you know. Secondly, Brock is a Hillary minion. Your knowing him personally has nothing to do with anything. Of coruse Hillary didn't fund it herself. No one said she did. Sheesh. Either way, Reid and MM are still liars. All this other stuff is nonsense. \_ Brock is hardly a Hillary minion, unless you really believe that everyone to the left of Mitt Romney is part of a vast Hillary conspiracy. If anything, he is a Soros minion, since Soros writes his paycheck. And Soros is quite a long way from Hillary, believe me. \_ You failed to answer about the first part about "first caller was a phony soldier". You don't know anything about this story. You're just a troll. The rest of your post is nonsense. \_ In a simple reading of what Rush said, it is quite clear that he referred to the first caller as a phony soldier, yes. Your English language skills are deficient. You also don't know what the word "troll" means. Hint, it does not mean "anyone who disagrees with me." \_ sorry, I was listening to the show, not a cut up transcript. He was clearly not referring to the caller. The rest of your ad hominem is not worth replying to since it is based on your complete lack of knowledge of the situation. \_ Calling someone a troll is fine, but saying "you don't know what a troll is" is ad hominem? You don't know what ad hominem means either. \_ To both of you: Please show evidence that Soros or Hillary in any way financially supports MM. "Drudge says so" is not evidence. \_ Sorry, I mistakenly thought this was common knowledge. It is pretty funny to watch the Right foam at the mouth over MM. They have been doing the same stuff for years, but they get seriously paranoid and nutty when anyone gives them a dose of their own medicine. Where does MM get its funding? \_ "common knowledge" to who? Ditto- heads? Answer your own question then come back and show us your results. \_ I've donated to them. \_ I've wasted money on stuff before, too. \_ Well, they seem to get you all hot and bothered, so it wasn't a total waste, now was it? \_ *laugh* the first troll who is paying others to do it for them. You've taken the Art Of Troll to a whole new level. Keep sending money. Wow, you're dumb. \_ Do you really think that this is the *first* troll to ever do that? What do you think of Horowitz and FrontPage Mag? \_ I don't donate to Horowitz or FPM or MM or any other troll orgs. Why would you? \_ You are begging the question. Is MM the *first*? \_ Of course it isn't but that is a side show. Who cares which was first? I don't and have never donated to any of them. Why would anyone donate to orgs who by their very nature are designed to lie and created with that purpose in mind? Maybe that's your thing but I'll send my charity to places that try to do good in the world. \_ Surprisingly enough, not everyone agrees with what your definition of "do good in the world" means. \_ I'm sad anyone takes Rush seriously, ever, or pays any attention to him. \_ Talk to Reid about that, wasting time in the Senate on an entertainer. \_ ugh debating anything Rush spews is stupid. http://MM.org is a Soros creation, not hillary. \_ From Rush to Drudge... Can't you people factcheck anything? The zombie lies will never die... \_ Hillary herself said she helped create http://MM.org. Here is the article, with a download of the audio of her saying it. http://csua.org/u/jqa \_ First off, this is not really what she said there, if you pay attention carefully to the wording. She said she supports it, which can mean practically anything. Secondly, do you honesly believe every lie that a politician tells you? Did you believe Dubya when he told you that Saddam had WMD and a Nuclear program? Did you believe Gore when he told you that he invented the Internet? The actual founder of MM is famous for having written various anti-Clinton pieces, including the Troopergate story (which was later exposed as a lie, which was part of what led to Brock's "conversion"). \_ So we have to carefully parse her words to figure out wtf she's talking about? Does she know what the meaning of "is" is or was the previously resolved in court? Sheesh. \_ Politicians say bland, impenetrable things all the time, deliberately using the ambiguity inherent in language to tell the greatest number of listeners what they think they want to hear, without actually saying anything. Hillary is just better at it than most. \_ I suppose it depends on what the meaning of "it" is. I prefer leaders, of which we have a few, over your politicians. Saying she is a politician and there- fore it is ok for her to dissemble is not ok. You might as well vote for Bush. \_ I think it is obvious that I am no big fan of Hillary either, but I don't see any of these "leaders" running for President, from either party. You might be able to convince me otherwise with regards to McCain. Anyone else even remotely close? \_ Among the 'top candidates' as chosen by the media, no, not really. There are others running we barely hear from. Maybe there. \_ Who? \_ Ron Paul, Huckabee, Dodd, and Gravel come to mind. Hillary is an evil clown, Obama is a clown, Rudy is evil, Edwards is a fraudster, Romney will say anything. I miss anyone at the top? \_ Huckabee talks out both sides of his mouth with regards to taxes, Dodd is bought at paid for by Wall Street, but bought and paid for by Wall Street, but perhaps the other two are all right. I don't know much about them except what I saw on the debate. They are both obviously willing to take upopular stances openly, so you have to respect that. \_ ObBitchSlap: Gore never said he invented the Internet. \_ Created vs invented \_ "The Internet would not be where it is in the United States without the strong support given to it and related research areas by the Vice President in his current role and in his earlier role as Senator." -Vincent Cerf \_ Because it behooves him to embarass the VP by saying anything else? \_ Because it's true. \_ So you say. What exactly did Gore do without which we wouldn't have google today? \_ High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991 which led to the National Information Infrastructure. Learn the history of your field, young Computer Scientist. \_ 'If it had been left to private industry, it wouldn't have happened,' Andreessen says of Gore's bill, 'at least, not until years later.'. So, without Gore, we would be just like now but circa 2002? With google, yahoo, web mail, browsers, etc, but no web 2.0 ajax outside of MS web outlook? How is that different? You know the net existed then right? So he did something that eventually funded the browser a year later? It sounds like the browser was already on it's way. I'm not buying it, sorry. \_ this is one of the dumbest trolls I've ever seen. -tom \_ why do you still post here? \_ Heh, w/o CCA and NII, we'd be just like ten years ago, but with BBSs. OTOH, we'd probably have kickass analog modems. \_ Hint: there was an internet before 1991. \_ Yes, and Usenet, and other such, and you had to have access through a school or large company to get to it. W/o public investment in expanding access, you'd still have to have an OCF account to read your email. \_ And as Andreesen said, we'd be a few years behind. Call it five. That puts us at 2002 which isn't a whole lot different than today. Or maybe you're smarter than he is. We all know that without government nothing ever gets invented. Government is the source of all creativity and invention. *boggle!* \_ you're an idiot. \_ Andreesen said "years later": that could mean decades. Also, if not for gov. invest. there'd've been no .com bubble and no commesurate boost in private spending in infrastructure. Prog. w/o profit is slooow. \_ the dotcom bubble was a good thing? ok whatever. \_ It led to near- ubiquity of the Internet. I'd say that's more good than bad. \_ I'd say it didn't. I'd say more computers in more homes did that. \_ The proto-Internet was ARPAnet, run by the DOD, and the DOD decided it was no longer going to provide support for civilian applications. If the Internet did not receive funding at that point in time, maybe telecoms would have done something, but it would have been done based on the telecom model; fee for service, screw net neutrality. The government is the *only* entity which could have created the Internet as the public resource we know today. -tom \_ fee for service got you... here it comes.... SERVICE! What a shocker! imagine having a business model where you have to pay to get stuff! Dreadful! \_ What are you, a Free Market troll, a ditto- head troll, or a bridge-troll? \_ Anyone who disagrees with you must be a troll. You are the source of all truth. \_ Man, took you long enough. \_ Do you think the Internet would be better if it worked more like cell phone networks? -tom \_ For some definitions of 'better', yes. If I could pay $5/m to not get spam I would save money, for ex. The telcos would sell you "spam _/ blocking service" and then sell the spammers "spam delivery guarantee service" to get around the spam blocking. You'd have to buy a specific computer to connect to AT+T's network and it wouldn't work if you wanted to switch to Sprint, and you'd have a two year contract with a penalty clause. You'd also have a surcharge to send mail to an off-network customer, or it just wouldn't work at all. The "cheap" connectivity plan would involve huge fees for any time you actually used the service, and then they'd advertise "Tired of high fees? Buy our unlimited plan for twice as much money!" Net neutrality and ubiquitous deployment is a huge public benefit, and it could only have happend through government action, and Gore deserves a lot of credit for initiating that action. -tom \_ You mean like how I can use my cell phone right now to call anyone and it doesn't cost me anything during nights and weekends and during the day the rate is dirt cheap, I don't get spam calls, I have a choice of hundreds of phones, and all this was brought to me by pure raw capitalist competition for my hard earned dollar. Yeah, the phone system sure sucks. If it was run by the government I wouldn't have a cell phone, unless I was a Senator or someone else 'important' who gets a special health plan much different than what the proles get. No thanks. I'll pass on the socialist utopia phone system monopoly. I'm old enough to remember Ma Bell being the only game in town. A government monopoly on the phones would be no better. Competition rules. \_ Uhh, you do realize that without the government heavily regulating large chunks of the phone industry your wonderful cell phone network would be a disaster, don't you? \_ The actual quote was "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." which Declan (another Wired Alum) twisted into invented. \_ Hence "Created vs invented" as I said above. \_ Brock is hardly a Hillary minion, unless |
| 2007/10/7 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:48253 Activity:nil 66%like:48241 |
10/4 Richardson says "Pull Out Now"
http://www.csua.org/u/jnf \_ Sorry baby, I just couldn't stop.
\_ Why? It feels better to stay inside.
\_ Cuz I need to take a dump. |
| 2007/10/4-6 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:48241 Activity:nil 66%like:48253 |
10/4 Richardson says "Pull Out Now"
http://www.csua.org/u/jnf
\_ Sorry baby, I just couldn't stop.
\_ Why? It feels better to stay inside.
\_ Cuz I need to take a dump. |
| 2007/10/3-5 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:48233 Activity:nil |
10/3 Secessionists meeting in Tennessee
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071003/ap_on_re_us/secessionist_movement_1 |
| 2007/10/3-5 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Immigration, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:48232 Activity:high |
10/3 Jimmy Carter faces down Darfur officials
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071003/ap_on_re_af/darfur_9
He bravely ran away, away!
\_ Would you kindly fuck off, you cowardly piece of shit? The man
is 83 years old, and he got in a shouting match with armed men.
His companions and the Secret Service convinced him to get in the
car rather than continue the confrontation. If you're going to
post something, have the nards and decency to read it first.
\_ I did read it. He didn't "face them down" they faced him down.
Nothing really wrong with that, I'd leave too, but the headline
is wrong.
\_ Seconded. Running away would be just scrapping the whole
deal and not trying again. In the real world you can't
go on a humanitarian mission and shout your way past angry
men with big guns. That doesn't do any good for anyone.
But feel free to live in your fantasy world where everything
gets solved by swinging your big dick around and all the women
have gravity defying 36DD breasts.
\_ In my fantasy world, all the women have gravity-defying 32DD
breasts instead. -- !PP
\_ I had the same reaction as the person above, "Hey, Carter may not
be the POS I thought he was.. read.. read.. oh well".
\_ He displayed infinitely more personal courage than Bush did
after 9/11, when the Commander-In-Chief turned tail and
disappeared into a hole.
\_ If the President, any President, of any party, showed up at
ground zero just to pose for the cameras, he deserves to die.
That is the most assinine and stupid gripe you could possibly
have. It is the one thing that he clearly did right that day.
\_ Did I say he should have gone to ground zero? No, I did not.
He could have provided some leadership though, instead of
being a coward. |
| 2007/9/24-27 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:48167 Activity:nil |
9/24 Hillary's cackle
http://youtube.com/watch?v=x7ZrYa8wgKo |
| 2007/9/19 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Health/Women] UID:48111 Activity:nil 56%like:48104 |
9/18 Hillary Clinton is an idiot and if she insists on pushing her
s
Having a baby is not the only thing that can make women unhappy with their breas\
ts. The still-taboo subject of female chest hair is something that make-up artis\
t Nicola has had to learn to live with, but many women are too ashamed to admit\
they suffer from the condition. s problem is so bad that it has ruined past rela\
tionships Nicolatupid healthcare ideas as a major part of her platform then I
will certainly not vote for her. Requiring all Americans to
present proof of health insurance is beyond ridiculous and, to me,
very un-American.
\_ Well, it's also outisde the power of the Feds to do so.
\_ So is a bunch of other things they do every day.
\_ I am pretty sure that every Democratic presidential candidate
has a healthcare reform platform at least as extensive as
Hillary's. So you are voting Republican. Tell us something
we didn't already know...
\_ Biden doesn't. I think "healthcare reform" != "universal
healthcare". |
| 2007/9/18-22 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:48104 Activity:nil 56%like:48111 |
9/18 Hillary Clinton is an idiot and if she insists on pushing her
stupid healthcare ideas as a major part of her platform then I
will certainly not vote for her. Requiring all Americans to
present proof of health insurance is beyond ridiculous and, to me,
very un-American.
\_ Well, it's also outisde the power of the Feds to do so.
\_ So is a bunch of other things they do every day.
\_ I am pretty sure that every Democratic presidential candidate
has a healthcare reform platform at least as extensive as
Hillary's. So you are voting Republican. Tell us something
we didn't already know...
\_ Biden doesn't. I think "healthcare reform" != "universal
healthcare". |
| 2007/9/14 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:48060 Activity:nil |
9/14 Does America Want a Clinton Monarchy? By Steven Stark http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/09/will_voters_embrace_a_clinton.html |
| 2007/9/7 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:47946 Activity:nil |
9/7 Norman Hsu, big Hillary fundraiser, now under indictmen,
"falls" on trainride to Arkansas:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1892624/posts |
| 2007/9/7-10 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:47938 Activity:nil |
9/7 Dems support the troops! (pre-emptively dismiss the Petraeus report)
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/09/05/346444.aspx
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/09/democrats_pre-emptively_dismiss_bush_report
\_ http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1883904/posts
"... the left is doing its usual adept job of spewing treasonous
rhetoric over things that only exist in their Bush-hating
conspiracy-riddled minds." |
| 2007/9/6 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:47908 Activity:kinda low |
9/6 Who would vote for Fred "old, grumpy, get off my lawn white
guy who doesn't seem that different from the other 9 old
grumpy white guys hoping for the repub nomination" Thompson?
I don't get it.
\_ Ching ching!
\_ HILLARY CLINTON WILL NOT BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES!@!!1! |
| 2007/8/28 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:47770 Activity:high |
8/27 Surprising facts: ppl with children are no happier than those who
don't, retirees no happier than workers, pet owners no happier than
those without pets, etc etc. Also, R happier than D, the young are
less happy than the middle-aged and old, suburbanites are happier
than city folks.
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/301/are-we-happy-yet
\_ Why is any of this surprising? Every choice has plusses and
minuses.
\_ You do end up happier if you're married, though, on average.
How about that, BDG? |
| 2007/8/24-27 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:47743 Activity:nil |
8/23 Oh, hey, it WAS Clinton's fault. Oops.
http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/2007/08/23/clinton-lied-people-died |
| 2007/8/1-3 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Foreign/Asia/India] UID:47497 Activity:low |
8/1 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070801/ap_on_el_pr/obama_terrorism_7 Okay, I'm glad Obama is making actual suggestions rather than the more common political tactic of simply criticizing others. However, his plan of taking care of business in Pakistan could be a problem if that nuke-armed country toppled into the hands of Muslim extremists. I hope he addresses that potentiality. \_ Depends. If the extremists are wiped out then there is no problem with Pakistan falling into their hands, eh? I think that's what he's getting at. And yes, I'm also glad to see someone finally saying what *they would do* instead of just attacking others. \_ Obama is even with Hillary C. in NH. \_ Please do not let that woman win the primary. There's no reason to have family members of recent presidents also become president. Out of principle we should not let it happen. \_ You mean like Teddy Roosevelt ---> FDR and George H. W. Bush --> George W. Bush? \_ Yes, like that. \_ Or John Adams -> John Quincy Adams \_ Given Pakistan's Intel org's backing of the Taliban pre-9/11, our current policy of coddling Musharraf is asinine and naive. Good on Obama for identifying the problem. Looking forward to voting for him in 2008. |
| 2007/7/31 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:47476 Activity:nil |
7/31 What size is Chelsea Clinton's rack? |
| 2007/7/24-26 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:47399 Activity:nil |
7/24 Clinton: 35%. Obama: 25%. Gore: 15%.
Is Gore the new Nader? Damnit.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/money/gop.html
\_ Gore isn't on that page, or the dem one either...
\_ It's hard to get good numbers when you aren't even running.
\_ Huh? These are the primary elections you are talking about right?
What are you afraid of, that Gore will get enough votes that Clinton
wins the nomination?
\_ Sheesh, it's a poll. When people actually *vote* they are not going
to write in Gore in large numbers. Just a few kooks. |
| 2007/7/19-21 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:47347 Activity:kinda low |
7/19 H. Clinton slammed by The Pentagon for talking about withdrawl:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1868489/posts
\_ ^The Pentagon^Dick's lackey
\_ Because the guy who said it can't be a partisan and be right at
the same time. Everyone who has a different opinion is part of
the VRWC and couldn't possibly be giving an honest assessment
based on history and reality.
\_ Dog bites man, no story. Man bites dog, story. Partisan hack
employed by administration that's taken loyalty to a whole new
cult level bagging on front-running opposition candidate for
dissing Pres.'s plans, no story.
\_ You can be partisan and still be telling the truth. |
| 2007/7/18-19 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:47326 Activity:high |
7/17 we haven't argued about the latest useless congressional
gesture to pull america out of Iraq and deny the simple fact
we're gonna be there for the next 60 years like Korea/West Bank/
Japan, is everyone on vacation?
\_ It's 7/18 now btw
\_ We're in the West Bank?
\_ How about Vietnam. Iraq is more like Vietnam, at least so far...
\_ And our troops are still there! Oh, wait....
\_ How long were US troops in Vietnam?
\_ Zero days after we decided to pull out.
\_ just pointing out israel is still in the west bank.
\_ And despite your ZOG fantasies, US != Israel.
\_ sorry. didnt explain. when Israel invaded west bank
they said they'd only stay a short time. They're still
there, much to everyone involved's pain.
\_ Ye-es, but WE are not THEM.
\_ I agree, but I'm using an example from history.
\_ Why *that* example, then? How about how the
Gaulic tribes are *still* in France 1500 years
later! The bastards! Save France for the French!
Kill the Gaulic invaders!
\_ you probably mean "gallic" or "gaulish"
\_ garlic
\_ Why do you hate the French? We must save
France!
\_ All we are asking for is an up or down vote.
\_ Why is it "useless"? Let me guess, you are a war supporter...
\_ Am not war supporter. I just think we're going to be in
Iraq F O R E V E R.
\_ I think President Hillary Rodham Clinton will have us out
in less than six months after she takes office. We shall see.
\_ You won't see. She's not getting elected.
\_ And if she does get elected she won't be able to
get the US out in 6 months.
\_ That's true, too. She isn't exactly pushing hard on
the "get the troops out now" agenda.
\_ Not according to all the right wing newspapers.
I think she is just tacking to the center and
will get bowled over by events, after she wins.
http://www.nysun.com/article/55102
\_ "... after she wins". You're trolling or
drunk. I don't care what left/right wing
newspapers say she says. I read what she
says.
\_ Really? Who is going to win in her stead?
"None of the above?"
\_ My dog. Anyone with a heart beat, age 35+. Charles
Manson. Rowdy Roddy Piper. Anyone.
\_ Are you the same guy who predicted that we would
find WMD in Iraq? Just wondering, because I am
predicting that Hillary will not get beaten
by a Republican. BTW, I predicted that we would
*not* find WMD in Iraq, so my record is pretty
good.
curious how good your track record is.
\_ No. But given the lack of serious effort put
into controlling the country after the attack
started and all the trucks rolling in various
directions before I wouldn't be at all
surprised if we hear in 30 years they were
there and the Bush admin decided it was less
stupid to have invaded and not found them than
invaded and let them slip away. Now then, if
it was Roddy Piper vs. my dog, it'd be a really
interesting race. Piper still has a lot of
wrestling fans, but my dog can speak English
better so he's going to win all 3 debates.
\_ The US is not ready for a female President,
especially a polarizing one like Clinton.
The Dems should push hard to make sure she
does not get the nomination, because if
she does (or if Obama does) then I predict
another Republican win. I have always
voted Democrat for President (even though I am
a 'decline to state') but I would not vote
for Hilary Clinton. I would vote for Bill,
though.
\_ Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've
constructed. |
| 2007/7/6-10 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:47205 Activity:low |
7/6 Forget about the first female future president or the first minority
future president. Here's the first white male future president in
110 years.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070627/ap_on_re_us/mr_pta
\_ 'Susan Bailey of Wellesley Centers for Women at Wellesley College
said the election of a man to the PTA's top post is "exactly the
kind of thing we would hope would happen more often."'
Wouldn't it be great if the average American voter could say the
same thing about a female or minority POTUS?
\_ Forget the 'First' anything. The first minority was already elected
when Kennedy got in, btw. I don't give a fig about 'First XYZ'
based on color or gender. I want honest, competent people in
office who give a shit, not power mad selfish people who just might
also happen to be a 'First' or not and I don't care what their
'party' is. Currently not seeing anyone running who fits the
description though, sadly. That would be my 'First': honest,
competent, not there for their ego or the personal power, looking
out for Americans first, not the rest of the world before the
people who elected them.
\_ But ask the average joe whether he thinks Kennedy is a minority.
Look at the Irish community in SF. Their need as a minority
group has been largely ignored.
\_ Ask anyone at the time if Kennedy was a minority. It was a
*huge* big deal at the time and everyone said there was no
way a Catholic could get elected and the country just wasn't
ready for a Catholic POTUS. I'm not sure what your point is
about SF Irish.
\_ Like you said, "at the time". The average joe nowadays
knows more about Paris Hilton's sex life than about US
history.
\_ It doesn't matter if it was 'at the time' and no longer
true. The fact that Kennedy was the 'First' Catholic
puts to rest all further claims of 'a Catholic can
never be elected POTUS' because obviously that is not
true *after* Kennedy was elected. This isn't a history
quiz and has nothing to do with what the average joe
knows about Kennedy. I don't understand why you bring
that up. I still want an honest, competent person in
office of any race/gender/whatever/bullshit and I'm not
getting it. Being a female, a minority, a Catholic, a
white, a black, a purple, or anything else does not
make for a better -or- worse POTUS. The content of
their character is what matters, not the color of their
skin.
\_ Romney. Extremely competent, detail oriented, and honest.
http://economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9441455 |
| 2007/7/6-10 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:47186 Activity:nil |
7/6 Damn this Bush economy!
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/07/06/ap3889125.html
\_ Another piddling job growth report that beat expectations... Great.
Let me know when wages grow along with productivity, and when the
savings rate is positive again. Wake me when job growth meets
population growth... Go go bushonomics
\_ Tax Cuts and the Not So Great Economy (Economist's View)
http://www.csua.org/u/j3f
\_ This has exactly crap to do with the article. And this putz
points to negative job growth and decreasing GDP after 2001 and
blames the tax cuts?! No mention of, say, other events in 2001?
-emarkp
to the
\_ Jared Bernstein, senior economist at the Economic Policy Institute,
a Washington think tank, noted the participation rate has fallen
especially sharply for young people, blacks and Hispanics, groups
who are especially sensitive to the economys ups and downs.
If those missing workers were reported as unemployed, the jobless
rate would be 5% instead of 4.5%, he said in a report.
\_ Sure. A Left think tanker says "which do you believe, me or the
numbers?"
\_ Damn these tax and spend Democrats in charge of Congress and their
nearly instanteous good effect on the economy! |
| 2007/6/30-7/5 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:47135 Activity:nil |
6/30 Democrats, not very popular:
http://www.csua.org/u/j22
\- anybody who compares the approval ratings between the
president and congress is either stupid or disingenuous.
to say "congress's rating have slid more in the last
6mos while the president's rating have gone up" might
be meaningful, but the only virtue of comments like this
"President Bush is doing terribly -- an average of 30 percent
job approval in six recent polls. Congress is doing worse --
25 percent on the average in five polls." is to signal you can
add this dood to your KILL file. that article is the journalistic
equivalent of a college paper with the thesis "the iliad
is a poem by homer about the trojan war, which was difficult."
\- see also:
http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2007/06/broderism-watch.html
\_ The only poll that matters happens in November every two years. |
| 2007/6/21-24 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:47032 Activity:high |
6/21 Bush at 26% in Newsweek poll
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19354100/site/newsweek
\_ That's not too bad. Compare that to Nixon's:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/11/02/opinion/polls/main1005327.shtml
http://preview.tinyurl.com/eytw5 (cbsnews.com)
Keep in mind this is from CBS, liberal Jewish media.
\_ Thanks for invalidating anything else you have to say.
\_ I don't think he cares. Why should he?
\_ maybe because he is supposed to be a representative of the
people.
\_ He is. The people are idiots and so is he. I don't see why
people's opinions changed. What is different now? A lot of us
disapproved of him from the beginning. And, you know, didn't
vote for him. Now all these Johnny come latelys want to be
cool like us. But it's too late. We moved on to disapproving
of the mainstream primary frontrunners.
\_ Pft! I've already dismissed them all and moved on to
disapproving of the second and third tier candidates as
well as several who aren't even rumored to be interested in
running. -Johnnt C. L.
\_ He still has things he is trying to get accomplished and it
is hard to get Congress to listen to him when he is so
unpopular. Most politicians care about something called
their "legacy" as well, and every indication is that Bush
cares, too. So sorry, he probably cares. Maybe his
supporters (like you?) do not.
\_ His current goal appears to be to veto everything and keep
the investigations off his back until he can get out of
town.
\_ IANARepublican, but think about it: ~43% of Americans voted in
the last Presidential election, and W got about 50% of the
vote, so, hey, 26% is pretty good for him.
\_ You might want to check the assumptions in your math
there sonny.
\_ 50% of 43% =~21.5% < 26%. I'd say my math assumptions,
faulty as they are, are probably more accurate than
those of the POTUS.
\_ You're making the assumption that the set of W
supporters is a subset of the 2004 presidential
voters. You'll have to justify that assumption
somehow.
\_ he's also making the assumption that 100% of
the country responded to this poll. -tom
\_ You're both right, but you're missing my
(feeble) point, which is that the POTUS thinks
like this.
\_ Maybe he was when he was elected, but now that he *IS* elected
and that due to term limites, he can't be re-elected, why
should he care any more? Lame duck presidency FTL.
\_ I loved the comedy central clip where GWB 2000 'debated'
GWB 'current', especially the total reverse on intervening
in other nations and 'nation building'.
\_ Mission Accomlished!
http://www.csua.org/u/izp
\_ Congress at 14% (below HMOs at 15%)
http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=27946
\_ For "confidence", not "approval".
\_ For "confidence", not "approval". And from a different poll.
\_ OP didn't say "approval".
\_ The article did. Sure, blame your reading comprehension
issues on the OP
\_ I was making a point. I read the article.
\_ How is saying "apples are not oranges" a point?
\_ Isn't low confidence worse than low approval? I might not
approve of the job someone is doing, but I might still have
confidence that they will improve. Low confidence seems to
imply to me that not only does one disapprove of the job
someone is doing but also that they've lost any hope that
they will improve.
\_ Read a few polls and see how the two numbers tend to
relate. Motd will not do your homework for you.
\_ I'll take that as a yes then. So, the American people
feel more negativity towards Congress than the President
\_ Take that as a yes. Continue in obstinate ignorance.
\_ This only validates my assumption further. If it
really is a false assumption, you wouldn't have
been this much of an ass about it.
\_ Congress is always lower. You can hate the
bastards but not hate YOUR bastard. The president,
however, is all or nothing.
\_ How does that compare to Carter?
\_ The cbsnews link in the first reply will tell you. Other than
that, learn to use google.
\_ No, it does not. Other than that, have you heard of the
Socratic technique?
\_ Oop. It wasn't in that article. It was in another blog
post. Carter's lowest was 28% in '79. |
| 2007/6/19-21 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:47006 Activity:kinda low |
6/19 Hillary Clinton's campaign theme song is a Celine Dion tune.
Now I can't vote for her.
\_ Obama's is "Think" by Aretha Franklin. which is about a man
cheating on a woman. Do you think Obama is trying to enrage
the Hillary?
http://www.lyrics007.com/Aretha%20Franklin%20Lyrics/Think%20Lyrics.html
http://preview.tinyurl.com/yogl75 (lyrics007.com)
\_ "You And I"
\_ Blame Canada
\_ Why not?
\_ Lieberman's is LETS HAVE A WAR
\_ The first candidate that chooses "TV Party" as their theme
song gets my vote.
\_ This is like Michael Moore saying he'd support the first
candidate to dance in a moshpit: you're going to end up
endorsing Alan Keyes. http://csua.org/u/iz7 (Michael Moore)
\_ Bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran -- McCain |
| 2007/6/17-19 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:46992 Activity:high |
6/13 Spielberg endorses Hillary.
\_ How is this any suprise? This Clintons, like Obama and Gore
are owned by Jews and products of finance and media Jews.
are owned by Jews and products of finance and media Jews. -jblack
\_ [racist troll deleted]
\_ [racist troll deleted, twice]
\_ how is it racist to point out that the Democratic party
is wholly controlled by individuals who own the media
and sectors of finance, and who constitute a tiny fraction
of a tenth of a percent of the population? I am telling
you who your master's are, even though you are too
blind to see it.
\_ Why would *anyone* outside Hillary's campaign care? Anyone who
votes based on Spielberg's "endorsement" is too stupid to live. |
| 2007/6/15-19 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:46976 Activity:low |
6/15 Hilary has *no* *chance* in 2008, I read it in the motd:
http://www.csua.org/u/ixn (WSJ)
\_ At a glance, which one of the candidates _does_ have a chance?
\_ Cthulhu 2008. Why vote for a lesser evil?
\_ Clinton with Obama VP would be an interesting combo I think.
Still, the only thing that matters is when you get down to
election day. That's pretty far off yet and I think a lot of
states may not really vote Democrat when we get down to it,
or vote for a woman CIC etc etc.
\_ I do not think Hilary can win. I think it's because she's a
woman and a polarizing one at that. I never vote Republican,
but I don't think I'd vote for her. I'd probably vote for a
3rd party candidate.
\_ A lot has to do with who her opposition is at the time.
If the GOP pushes forward a Spiro Agnew, she might not need much
more than the votes of the faithful to win.
If the GOP pushes forward a Spiro Agnew, she might not
need much more than the votes of the faithful to win.
\_ Spiro Agnew -> grow a penis
\_ Someone's going to win, and none of the candidates are strong.
Sort of like a 'lesser evil' vote, the winner will be the
least weak.
\_ So far, the GOP has given us adulterers, flip-floppers,
and cranky old men. Oh, and Ron Paul. Which of these is
lesser evil you speak of? |
| 2007/6/15-19 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:46971 Activity:nil 92%like:46962 |
6/15 Good old Matt Drudge, font of accuracy!
http://urltea.com/s2x (electioncentral.tpmcafe.com) |
| 2007/6/15-16 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:46967 Activity:nil |
6/15 Google hits:
Barack Obama: 1.85M
Barack Hussein Obama: 116k
Hillary Clinton: 4.4M
Hillary Rodham Clinton: 1.4M
For some reason, Hillary's middle name is used a lot more than other
people's. About 5 times more than Barack's middle name. It's not like
anyone needs the extra differentiation from the other Hillary Clintons
out there. What's up with that?
John Sidney McCain: 9k, John McCain: 1.9M
\_ It's her maiden name, not her middle name. Same with
Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sandra Day O'Connor, etc.
\_ Ah. |
| 2007/6/15-19 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:46965 Activity:nil |
6/15 kchang why doesn't csua motd site have RSS feed?
\_ Someone else already wrote one. Talk to Misha(sp?).
Besides rss feed is good when you have sequential timestamped
messages whereas motd is mostly threaded, making it awkward to
represent on rss. If you have alternative ideas, shoot. In the
mean time I'm content using http://csua.com/24/?incr=1&local=0 |
| 2007/6/15 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:46962 Activity:nil 92%like:46971 |
6/15 Good old Matt Drudge, font of accuracy!
http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/jun/15/drudge_kept_pushing_false_attack_on_bill_clinton_12_hours_after_it_had_been_debunked |
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