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2000/11/13-14 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19744 Activity:very high
11/12   Ok, so WPB had a lot of stupid people so they're getting a "do-over".
        Why are they also recounting 3 other heavily Dem counties?  I haven't
        heard a reason other than "county shopping".
        \_ Democratic counties are using punch-hole ballots. 32 errors
           per 1000.  The richer Republican counties are using scan-tron
           ballots.  1 error per 1000.  Secondly, Bush's team didn't ask for
           recounts in his Republican counties within the 72-hour legal
           deadline.  Gore's team did.  --PeterM
           \_ So you're all for law and order?  Are you also in favor of the
              5pm certification deadline on Tuesday or opposed because in
              that case, the law doesn't support your political position?
              C'mon.. let's see the twisted reasoning for only following the
              law when it suits your political cause.  Gore is a crybaby and
              is killing this country.  -N'04!
                \_ Actually, I'm in favor of a recount for Bush too.  However,
                   in his rich counties with the scan-tron ballots, he's going
                   to get few new votes because of voting count error.  --PeterM
                   \_ C'mon Peter.  You ducked the question.  Are you in favor
                      of following the law which states that Tuesday 5pm is
                      the deadline for turning in certified tallies or not?
                      This isn't a softball press conference with Barbara
                      Walters.  This is the motd and you can't get away with
                      that shit and not get called on it.
                      \_ I didn't respond because I don't know the Florida
                         law on the 5pm deadline.  I've seen it characterized
                         as an arbitrary rule imposed by the Republican
                         Sec'y of state and not a law at all.  If it is a law
                         it should be followed, unless it is contradictory
                         to some other law, in which case a court must rule
                         on it.  In the absence of credible data on whether
                         the 5pm deadline is a law or not, I have no opinion
                         on the topic.  Is that clear, Mr. X?  --PeterM
                   \_ This isn't something the Democrats want because it would
                      trigger a full check and investigation of not only
                      'irregularities' in Florida but other states as well.
                      The Dems have a lot more to fear from a countrywide
                      cleaning of ballots than the Repubs.  You don't hear the
                      Daley/Gore ticket suggesting this happen and for a good
                      reason. They're not looking for a fair and accurate
                      count.  They're fishing.  Turn it around.  If Gore was
                      in Bush's position would you tell him to sit back and
                      relax and take it like a man if Bush was cherry picking
                      which votes to "clean" and having it done by partisan
                      Repubs?  Uh huh... thought so.  Thanks for playing.  You
                      can try again in 2004.  So will we.  Green in '04!
        \_ rationale is that there were ballot irregularities which may have
           resulted in many ballots being discounted.  more specifically, the
           ballot machines will not read your ballot if there are any
           dangling bits of paper (instead of clean-punched holes).  in a
           race where the ultimate decision may be made on the basis of a few
           hundred votes, it makes sense to be absolutely sure.
           \_ Spoken like a true Gore apologist. Gore wants a recount in only
              Democratic counties so that he can eke out a win handing to him
              by partisian vote counters (they are all Democrats).
           \_ There were irregularities all over Florida starting with the
              media reporting the state went to Gore 70 minutes before the
              heavily Republican west panhandle closed their polls.  Let's
              let all of the panhandle revote!  DO OVER!
              \_ Bah!  It's likely that *more* Republican voters turned out in
                 the panhandle to try to win back the state.
                 \_ You seriously believe that?  Don't be daft.
2000/11/13-14 [Uncategorized] UID:19745 Activity:low
11/12   Transcript of the election night coversation between al and george
        http://www.mediatrip.com/shows/phone_flash.html
2000/11/13 [Recreation/Humor] UID:19746 Activity:nil
11/12   no, reversing the motd is not funny
        ?t'nsi tI _\
2000/11/13 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:19747 Activity:nil
11/12    What is the purpose of the program called mor in /csua/bin?
         ---ranga
2000/11/13 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Domestic/President] UID:19748 Activity:high
11/12    What is the purpose of the program called mor in /csua/bin?
         (I'd RTFM, but there is no manpage) ----ranga
soda 11/12 22:34 ~> more /csua/bin/mor
#!/bin/sh

# from http://slate.msn.com/Features/bushisms/bushisms.asp
# and some other sites

/usr/local/bin/wall y > /dev/null 2>&1
/usr/games/fortune /csua/lib/olestra/gwbush-quotes-10-08-2000.txt | /usr/local/b
in/wall
        \_ Why don't you just run it and see dummy?
\_ This may be the program, but the purpose is clearly to be
   an ass, and catch typos.
2000/11/13 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:19749 Activity:nil
11/13   Motd evaporated
2000/11/13-14 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19750 Activity:high
11/13   So anyone here heavily invested in the Clinton/Gore economy?  How about
        that NAS and Dow, eh?  I'm feeling lucky that my 1.5/share high risk
        stock gamble only dropped to 1 1/16.  It's the economy, stupid!
        \_ wait, I thought the economy was Reagan/Bush's, troll.  -tom
          \_ Uh oh, Tom changing the subject again.  Let me spell it out for
             you, Tom, so you can't spin it more than normal:  The market has
             tanked because The Daley/Gore ticket refuses to admit defeat and
             is stealing the election.  Is that simple enough for you, Tom?
             More county shopping announced this morning for the Democrats.
             \_ stop smoking crack and buy a clue: Jeb's State rigged the
                ballot in a Democrat-friendly area so as to feed his bro
                Florida's 25 electoral votes.  this isn't about being a
                Democrat, it's about preventing election fraud.
                \_ Please explain in detail without conspiracy theory, how
                   the Governor of a large state can steal a statewide
                   election, especially in areas under the politcal control of
                   the other party.  What process would this require?  Yeah,
                   I thought so....
             \_ Nah.  I think the market is tanking at the prospect of 4
                years of Bush Jr. as president.
                \_ The market rose the week prior to the election until the
                   DUI story came out and the race tightened. -jor
                   \_ you forgot a question mark.
                \_ Thank you Bill Clinton!  For 8 years of great economy!
                \_ No. The market is tanking because of fears the Gore
                   will be the Pres. for the next 4 years by means of a
                   judicial coup d'etat. Read the Wall Street Journal
                   you'll understand.
                   \_ I am not talking about today.  I am talking about
                      the market tanking over the past several months
                      as it appears likely that Bush Jr. may become
                      president.
                      \_ Duh.  Check the political timeline vs. the market.
                         Don't make stuff up.  Check.  You'll find that Gore's
                         big jump ahead from The Kiss didn't do jack for the
                         market.  It continued to sink all summer.  Nice
                         theory though but next time try checking some facts.
                         \_ Garbage! The market rose nicely from mid-August
                            (Democratic convention) to end of August.  This
                            includes the Dow, Nasdog and S&P.
                            \_ Check a chart.  It was already on the way up
                               before the Dem convention in August until the
                               end of the month when Gore's ratings were up
                               due to The Kiss (which wasn't romantic at all)
                               and then promptly tanked and stayed there.
                               For those incapable of finding a chart:
                http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5Edji&d=1y&c=&x=on&y=on&z=on
                               Hopefully someone who plays the market will have
                               an easier time with this chart than the typical
                               Democrat Florida voter with a ballot.  -N'04!
                               \_ It's the fucking stock market.  Can't
                                  believe you dumb arses are trying to prove
                                  anything from it.  You people really have no
                                  life.
          \_ yet another democrat who states the truth when it best suits him
                \_ you're the one who gave Reagan/Bush credit for the
                   economy, not me.  -tom
                   \_ Tom, why are you a democrat?
                        \_ He feels guilty for having such a high salary and
                           prosperity earned through his hard work while
                           others, barely able to poke a hole in a piece of
                           paper need to cheat their way through life and get
                           4th, 5th, and 6th chances until they "get it right".
                                \_ Do you know Tom at all?  (Do you know any
                                   University sysadmin who feels guilty for
                                   getting paid half the salary they would
                                   in industry?)
                   \_ you forgot a question, Mark!
2000/11/13-14 [Uncategorized] UID:19751 Activity:high
11/13   When I was in grade school, one year a new kid from Florida joined
        our class.  The only thing I remember about him is that he was taught
        that pi = 3.  This was 5th or 6th grade.  -N'04!
        \_ Actually, many physicists use 3 for pi and 10 for g when doing
           quick calculations.  For the most part, calculations are
           considered legit if they're within an order of magnitude.
           \_ the most severe case of this is theoretical astrophysics. usually
              they let pi, the speed of light, planks constant and a slew of
              other constants be one so they can just focus on the *form*
              of the equations.  it all depends on what you're trying to do.
              i'd much rather have someone use 3 or 3.1 and know why that's
              ok in a certain situation than use 3.141592653589793238 for
              finding the area of a circular birthday cake ten inches across
              and not understand why that's pointless. of course this has
              nothing to do with the above post, but i think it's an
              important issue appropos of the proliferation of calculators
              in classrooms today.
              \_ speed of light = 1, okay, that just involves changing your
                 measurement units.  But pi = 1?  So it mever causes problem
                 when the circumference of a circle is as long as its diameter?
                 \_ Usually, they don't let p or h (h bar) or some of the other
                    constants equal 1, they just lump them together as a constant
                    factor. The only value I've seen set to one is c. ----ranga
                \_ I don't think they were calculating stellar distances or
                   looking for the form of the equation in my former classmate's
                   Florida 4th grade classroom.
2000/11/13 [Uncategorized] UID:19752 Activity:nil
11/13   http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2000/11/12/121754
2000/11/13-14 [Recreation/Food] UID:19753 Activity:nil
11/13   Milk evaporated
2000/11/13-14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:19754 Activity:low
11/13   <DEAD>url-without-comments-deleted.com<DEAD>
        \_ Uh ok.  More lefty censorship.  Next time I'll put a comment in
           pointing out that the URL demonstrates the obviously unfair and
           biased nature of the Florida theft by the Daley/Gore ticket.
2000/11/13-14 [Computer/SW/Editors/Vi] UID:19755 Activity:very high
11/13   Damn it!  Everytime soda gets rebooted, I get a bunch of messages
        saying that nvi saved the file /etc/pw.??????.  These files don't exist
        anymore, but I still get the email!  How can I get this email message
        to stop?
        \_ For each file, run "vi -r filename" and then exit vi.
        \_ try runnin this:                     -ERic
                find /var/tmp/vi.recover -user `whoami` | xargs -t rm
2000/11/13-14 [Computer/SW/Apps/Media] UID:19756 Activity:low
11/13   How do you download streaming Media Player and RealVideo?
        \_ click on the link that says "Download Streaming Media Player"
           can you guess how to download RealVideo now?
2000/11/13-14 [Recreation/Computer/Games] UID:19757 Activity:moderate
11/13   DOes anyone know if the Japanese version of the PSII is compatible
        with games/DVDs published in North America?
        \_ its not.. need mod chip, but current mod chip not good for
           orig us games.. http://www.modchip.com
           orig us games.. http://www.modchip.com -shac
                \_thanks. This is what I needed to know.
          \_ If you get an early model JPN PS2 it's possible to play
             some region 1 DVD's, but for games modchip is needed --oj
               \_ what's the best site around to keep up on the
                  modding progress on the ps2?
                  \_ my "sources" at ign say http://www.modchip.com
                     they have a mailing list. -shac
2000/11/13-14 [Uncategorized] UID:19758 Activity:moderate
11/13   http://www.upside.com/texis/mvm/graveyard/index
        I don't know whether it's disturbing or satisfying.
        \_ Check out http://www.fuckedcompany.com  -John
             \_ that site is funny shit.
2000/11/13-14 [Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:19759 Activity:high
11/13   In this midst of all this election news, don't people realize
        that there are more important news going on in the rest of the
        world. It's like the OJ Simpson trial all over again.
        \_ Tell me about it.  Except this seems much worse than OJ.
        \_ Yeah. Kasparov lost and no one noticed. Anyone else imagine
           the encounter between Kramnic (sp?) and Kasparov to be like
           the scene in Star Wars where Darth Vader fights Obi Wan?
                        \_ I noticed.   --PeterM
        \_ The irony is that Kramnic studied Karpov's games and therefore
                plays like Karpov but better. (Background info: Karpov was
                the Party-sponsored player in the 80s whereas Kasparov
                was "battling the odds", political and chess).

           Kramnic:  Your game is weak old man, you should not have come
                     back! When last we met I was the student and you were
                  it'd be funny if somebody filmed a parody of that chess game.
                     the grandmaster. NOW I AM THE GRANDMASTER!

           Kasparov: Only a grandmaster of EVIL, Kramnic!
               \_ LOL, I guess...the news networks are bored.
                  it'd be funny if somebody filmed a parody of that
                  chess game.
                  \_ The last game probably ended like this:

           Kasparov: Checkmate me now and I will become more powerful
                     than your wildest dreams!

           Kramnic:  CHECKMATE!

           (Kasparov's body disappers leaving only his jacket, Kramnic
            growls)
2000/11/13-14 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19760 Activity:high
11/13   Al Gore's actions are making me respect Richard Nixon's decision
        in 1960 vs John F. Kennedy.
        \_ Republicans are so funny.  The exits polls all showed Gore
           winning Florida comfortably.  First Bush wants to keep things
           \_ You're citing inaccuate exit polling as proof?  get real.
              \_ DUH! ABC News and CNN *GAVE* Florida to GORE. Just
                 because the people seem to have vote differently is
                 no reason to take it back.
           out of the courts, then he files suit.  First he wants the
           electoral process to run it's course, now his bother's
           secretary of state is imposing bullshit deadlines.  You
           are all fucking hypocrites who want to win so bad that you
           are willing to overlook the most important issue: whoever
           got the most votes in Florida should win Florida's EV.
           \_ Democrats are so funny.
              First Gore says "I'll abide by the outcome of the votes,
              no matter which way". Then he gets a recount. Now he's
              taking it TO COURT.
              "You all fucking hypocrites who want to win so bad that you
              are willing to overlook the most important issue: whoever
              got the most votes in Florida should win Florida's EV."
              Hint: That's BUSH.
        \_ why?  he got several of his aides to investigate the success
           probability of winning the election by a recount.
           the election wasn't as close electoral vote wise.
           he probably determined it wasn't worth it, and
           gracefully decided not to sue, saving himself time
           and making himself look good.  nixon also spent every
           moment of his life after resigning trying to recast
           himself as a noble elder statesman, it looks like his
           efforts succeeded.
                \_ Gore helped.
        \_ Asking for a recount?  Gore could well win.  He's not accusing
           anyone of fraud, just questioning the accuracy of the votes
           counted.  Was the Nixon/Kennedy electin within 300 votes of
           5M?  --PeterM
           \_ 2 recounts already favor bush.. now Gore wants a hand
           recount so he could get his cronies to fix it.
           \_ Trying to "clean" the results to fit his desired outcome.
              At this point it looks like Gore is willing to take the
              Presidency by ANY MEANS NECESSARY!
                \_ you've provided no argument whatsoever that he's
                trying to "clean" the results.
                  \_ What argument?  Jesus Christ!  Take Stat 2!!!  This
                     _should_ be common sense.  No one needs to make a case
                     for whether or not he's cleaning the results.  Gore's
                     team says that's *exactly* what they're doing.  Where
                     are you getting your news from?
                \_ How about "We'll keep recounting the votes until I WIN!"
        \_ Weird how it took a low life like Gore to make the country
                \
                /
           resurrect Nixon as a good man.  I think Nixon was total scum,
           especially after reading some of the tape transcripts, but in
           comparison, he was clearly the better man.  I can't believe I'm
           writing that Nixon was a better man than anyone... what has become
           of our country?
           \_ Watergate brought out the worst side of Nixon. Until that time
              he was a fairly decent man. Everyone has an inner daemon, it
              would be wrong to judge Nixon based only on one (albeit fatal
              flaw).
                \_ I read the tape transcripts.  Nixon was a total lowlife,
                   lower than a mere inner demon could account for.  Gore has
                   proven himself worse.  I still can't believe I'm saying
                   this:  Nixon isn't the lowest man ever in high office in
                   this country.  Gore is.  I'm saddened at the thought this
                   egomaniac might manage to steal the Presidency....
        \_ Before everyone starts LIONIZING Nixon, please read and get the
           facts straight so you're all not REWRITING HISTORY.
           http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/10/nixon/index.html
           \_ Funny.  I got ragged on for using Wired News to quote statements
              Gore made recently in public.  Wired News, a place run by SF
              leftists at the time.  But here someone else thinks that Salon
              is a good source to use for discussing history of 40 years ago?
              Don't quote crap like Salon.
        \_ http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/3/0,5716,57373+3,00.html
           \_ The http://britannica.com article leads me to infer that http://salon.com
              is re-writing history.  I really can't believe http://salon.com,
              here; is there a better source?
2000/11/13-14 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:19761 Activity:nil
11/13   Why a partial and selective recount is flawed, for those who didn't
        do so well in Stat 2:
        http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment111300m.shtml
        \_ you don't need to read the article to know that selective
           recount is flawed.  It is common sense.
           \_ Posted for some of the less clear thinking motd readers.
2000/11/13-14 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:19762 Activity:high
11/13   Watch Volusia come back with _just_ enough votes to tip things back
        to Gore, Daley scream that we need to stop counting and for the
        first time in decades, the oversease ballots actually go heavily to
        the left.  You heard it here first.
                   \_ I kick you in da nuts here first.
        \_ Volusia halfway done.  +21 or so for.... Bush.  Let's keep
           counting until we "get it right".
        \_ Volusia is now done with complete manual recount.  Gore is up
           about 20 votes or so.  They're doing the absentee and other stuff
           like provisional ballots now.  Nice try Mr. Daley.  Try suing
           Broward.  Might get some court action from a leftist activist
           judge.
2000/11/13-14 [Uncategorized] UID:19763 Activity:kinda low
11/13   Word just in that Gore has demanded a soda recount: Is it Nader..
           Trader:  1
           Traitor: 0
           Trevor:  0
           Vader:   5
           Crater!  9
           Masturbator: 1
           kchang: see Masturbator
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