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2010/5/26-6/30 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:53845 Activity:nil
5/26    "China could join moves to sanction North Korea"
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100526/ap_on_re_as/as_clinton_south_korea
        How did Hillary manage to do that when we're also asking China to
        concede on the economic front at the same time?
         \_ China doesn't want NK to implode. NK is a buffer between SK and
            China, or in other words a large buffer between a strong US ally and
            China. As a matter of national security, they don't want to see
            Korea's unification happen, because it would put them in a situation
            where US troops would be stationed at the border with China.
            Furthermore, the occupation of NK by SK would likely result in a
            large number of NK refugees in China, which, as an ally of NK, they
            would be obligated to host, but which would cause socioeconomic
            problems. It's in their interest for NK to remain as it is, a buffer
            state between SK and China, even if that means cooperating with the
            US for now; it serves their needs. The real danger is the
            possibility of NK's internal power structure destabilizing and
            causing unpredictable behavior. Until now, NK has managed to survive
            by predictably backing off its threats when the US pays it money to
            stop being a pain in the ass.  Obama has broken this cycle of paying
            off NK, which may be causing internal turmoil.
            \_ Actually, SK has usually been the one paying off NK, not the US.
               So, I would say Prez. Lee had more to do with this than Obama.
               Especially since Bush was really the one that broke the cycle
               by insisting on the 6-party talks.  Bush wussed out a bit near
               the end because he was desperate for a diplomatic victory. I'm
               glad Obama has turned the pressure back up, but credit where
               credit is due.
        \_ It is called diplomacy. I know it has been a long time since we
           had anything other than a bully and a moron as President, but
           other tactics work better.
           \_ facepalm.
              \_ http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Mission_Accomplished
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Hillary Rodham Clinton AP - US Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton speaks during a press conference with South Korean Foreign ... By MATTHEW LEE, Associated Press Writer Matthew Lee, Associated Press Writer - 44 mins ago ELMENDORF AIR FORCE BASE, Alaska - China has signaled it could soon join the US and its allies in blaming North Korea in the sinking of a South Korean warship, senior American officials said Wednesday. Speaking after strategic talks this week in Beijing, the US officials said China indicated it is prepared to hold North Korea accountable for the March 26 torpedo attack and could join in some kind of formal rebuke by the UN Security Council. The move would represent a breakthrough for the White House, because so far China has resisted condemning North Korea for the incident, which cost the lives of 46 South Korean sailors. 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It was the first time a sitting president arrived on the deck of an aircraft carrier by plane. Once on board, Bush made a prime time address from the flight deck, surrounded by hundreds of sailors and backed by a banner reading "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED". He then delivered a short speech, saying: "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed. After service in the Afghan--and Iraqi theaters of war--after 100,000 miles, on the longest carrier deployment in recent history, you are homeward bound." photo opportunity designed to benefit his political campaign; the banner was made by a private vendor at the request of the White House, and put up on the Abraham Lincoln's tower by the crew. The White House, after coming under mounting criticism, blamed the message on the sailors, saying they had created the banner, and it was several months before the White House admitted it had the banner made and offered it to the Abraham Lincoln. As combat in Iraq continued and insurgent attacks rose, the banner came to be an embarrassment for Bush. In addition to the banner, use of a jet rather than a helicopter was the subject of controversy. Although the original rationale offered up by the White House for using the jet was that Abraham Lincoln would be too far offshore for the usual helicopter arrival, the ship was well within range by the day of the event.