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| 2005/7/2-5 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:38399 Activity:high |
7/2 "MSNBC Analyst Says Cooper Documents Reveal Karl Rove as Source In
Plame Case"
http://csua.org/u/cla (mediainfo.com)
\_ Do they still shoot traitors?
\_ Do they still hang traitors?
\_ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8445696/site/newsweek
\_ Ahh, Newsweek. Counting the minutes until this turns into
another LGF-wank-fest.
\_ There probably won't be any fallout from this. The bar for
impeachable offense was lowered for Clinton and raised for Bush.
\_ fallout != impeachment. Bush probably can't be impeached
for this, for reasons why, see Regan. That doesn't mean
there won't be fallout.
\_ What I meant is that it is silly to think that Bush &
Cheney didn't know about this/plan this. There probably
won't be any fallout and it will be like Reagan if there
is.
\_ If they indict Rove over the leak, he could serve
a prison sentence. A non-Rove WH would be some
serious fallout.
\_ Two words: Presidential pardon. Rove isn't going
anywhere, even if something does come out of this which
I kinda doubt.
\_ Oh come ON. Vush wouldn't use a presidential
\_ Oh come ON. Bush wouldn't use a presidential
pardon on Rove in this case. Haven't you
noticed? Even since Nixon, When Republicans
do something stupid, and it's proven, they get
thrown to the dogs.
\_ And then come back 15 years later to run random
agencies and embasseys...
agencies and embassies...
\_ Reagan pardoned half a dozen of the Iran-Contra
crowd, as well as quote a few major donors
who had been convicted of violating campaign
finance laws.
\_ Rove's lawyer is saying he didn't mention her name ... the notes
aren't clear what exactly Rove said.
\_ You could still get stuff like "His wife is an undercover CIA
agent." where anyone could then look up the marriage or mortgage
records.
\_ Rove is not the target of the Special Investigation
http://csua.org/u/cln (Washington Post)
\_ Newswekk rundown of the story:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8445696/site/newsweek
\_ Comment here by jblack.
\_ Go fuck yourself.
\_ Found another easy target? Got bored with emarkp and williamc?
How predictable. -John
\_ Go fuck yourself. And you can go fuck yourself as well, mr.
selective censor guy. Censorship is always wrong, even when
the individual you're censoring does not believe in freedom.
\_ Ah, but you see, now jblack's comments are DIE FRUCHT
VERBOTTEN! It's free advertising for a point of view!
Delete me next, motd censor-man! Not enough people pay
attention to me. -- ilyas
\_ go fuck yourself jblack.
\_ Oh yes Lawrence O'Donnell of freak out 'liar' fame who has
also stated he doesn't care if soldiers are demoralized
by Kerry's Iraq negativity.
by Kerry's Iraq negativity. -jblack
http://www.streamload.com/donnyd413/OReilly_clips/Scarborough_Country-.wmv
\_ Go fuck yourself.
\- if it turns out ROVE is culpable of some significant wrong
[and i am deliberately not framing this in legal terms] i
think it will be interesting to see who will defend this.
you can agree on the facts yet have different opinions
about some of the BILLARY scandals, but something like the
MARC RICH pardon was just indefensible and somebody who
tries to justify that should lose all credibility. it's
possible a FUD strategy will work here ... as we saw with
the SWIFTBOAT campaign, betting on STUPIDITY is close to a
sure thing.
\_ I have yet to see anyone disprove John Oneill's
accusations. Kerry hasn't even signed 180 and its
been what 250+ days? -jblack
\_ where the fuck have you been? he signed this a month ago.
\_ It was never posted on The Free Republic, so jblack
never heard about it...
\- kerry was within shooting distance of the enemy.
bush avoided going to fight in a war he supported.
that's the relelvant issue. not how many stitches
did kerry get in vietnam. we're not comparing
mccain vs dole in terms of who made greater
sacrifices. if you want to compare whether clinton
of bush is a bigger coward, that is also reasonable.
\_ I don't really know what Kerry's war record is, and
I don't care. However, saying that Kerry
\_ Bush never signed his Form 180. And Kerry has signed
his, better late than never.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200409100001
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/010795.php
\_ Really sad to see you defending traitors like that. I thought
you loved your country more than your party. Guess I pegged
you wrong on that. |
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| csua.org/u/cla -> www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000972839 REPRINTS Get Copyright Clearance MSNBC Analyst Says Cooper Documents Reveal Karl Rove as Source in Plame C ase By Greg Mitchell Published: July 01, 2005 11:30 PM ET updated 1:00 PM Saturday NEW YORK Now that Time Inc. has turned over documents to federal court, p resumably revealing who its reporter, Matt Cooper, identified as his sou rce in the Valerie Plame/CIA case, speculation runs rampant on the name of that source, and what might happen to him or her. Friday night, on th e syndicated McLaughlin Group political talk show, Lawrence O'Donnell, s enior MSNBC political analyst, claimed to know that name--and it is, acc ording to him, top White House mastermind Karl Rove. Today, O'Donnell went further, writing a brief entry at the Huffington Po st blog: "I revealed in yesterday's taping of the McLaughlin Group that Time magaz ine's e-mails will reveal that Karl Rove was Matt Cooper's source. I hav e known this for months but didn't want to say it at a time that would r isk me getting dragged into the grand jury. "McLaughlin is seen in some markets on Friday night, so some websites hav e picked it up, including Drudge, but I don't expect it to have much imp act because McLaughlin is not considered a news show and it will be pre- empted in the big markets on Sunday because of tennis. "Since I revealed the big scoop, I have had it reconfirmed by yet another highly authoritative source. Here is the transcript of O'Donnell's McLaughlin Group remarks: "What we're going to go to now in the next stage, when Matt Cooper's e-ma ils, within Time Magazine, are handed over to the grand jury--the ultima te revelation, probably within the week of who his source is. for Matt Cooper was Karl Rove, and that will be revealed in this document dump that Time magazine's going to do with the grand ju ry." Other panelists then joined in discussing whether, if true, this would su ggest a perjury rap for Rove, if he told the grand jury he did not leak to Cooper. Besides his career at a TV journalist, O'Donnell has served as a producer and writer for the series "The West Wing." According to published reports, Patrick Fitzgerald, the special prosecuto r in the case, has interviewed President Bush and Vice President Cheney and called Karl Rove, among others, to testify before the grand jury. "The breadth of Fitzgerald's inquiry has led to speculation that it has e volved into an investigation of a conspiracy to leak Plame's identity," the Chicago Tribune observed on Friday, "or of an attempt to cover up Wh ite House involvement in the leak." Cooper and New York Times reporter Judith Miller, held in contempt for re fusing to name sources, tried Friday to stay out of jail by arguing for home detention instead after Time Inc. Miller argued that it was pointless to imprison her because she will neve r talk. She submitted letters from soldiers and military officers with w hom she was embedded during the war in Iraq attesting to that. As an alternative, she asked to be sent to the federal prison camp for women in Danbury, Conn. Frank Lautenberg, D-NJ, said Friday th at several unidentified Senate Republicans had placed a hold on a propos ed resolution declaring support for Miller and Cooper. Under the rules, they have a right to refuse to reveal who they are. |
| www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8445696/site/newsweek ROVE Andy Manis / AP By By Michael Isikoff Newsweek July 11 issue - Its legal appeals exhausted, Time magazine agreed last we ek to turn over reporter Matthew Cooper's e-mails and computer notes to a special prosecutor investigating the leak of an undercover CIA agent's identity. The case has been the subject of press controversy for two ye ars. Editor in Chief Norman Pearlstine decided to comply with a grand-jury subpoena to turn over do cuments related to the leak. But Cooper (and a New York Times reporter, Judith Miller) is still refusing to testify and faces jail this week. At issue is the story of a CIA-sponsored trip taken by former ambassador (and White House critic) Joseph Wilson to investigate reports that Iraq was seeking to buy uranium from the African country of Niger. "Some gove rnment officials have noted to Time in interviews... that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, is a CIA official who monitors the proliferation of weap ons of mass destruction," said Cooper's July 2003 Time online article. But in an interview with NEWSWEEK, Rove's lawyer, Robert Luskin, confirmed that Rove had been interviewed by Cooper for the article. It is unclear, however, what passed between C ooper and Rove. The controversy began three days before the Time piece appeared, when col umnist Robert Novak, writing about Wilson's trip, reported that Wilson h ad been sent at the suggestion of his wife, who was identified by name a s a CIA operative. The leak to Novak, apparently intended to discredit W ilson's mission, caused a furor when it turned out that Plame was an und ercover agent. It is a crime to knowingly reveal the identity of an unde rcover CIA official. A special prosecutor was appointed and began subpoe naing reporters to find the source of the leak. Novak appears to have made some kind of arrangement with the special pros ecutor, and other journalists who reported on the Plame story have talke d to prosecutors with the permission of their sources. Cooper agreed to discuss his contact with Lewis (Scooter) Libby, Vice President Dick Chen ey's top aide, after Libby gave him permission to do so. But Cooper drew the line when special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald asked about other s ources. Initially, Fitzgerald's focus was on Novak's sourcing, since Novak was th e first to out Plame. But according to Luskin, Rove's lawyer, Rove spoke to Cooper three or four days before Novak's column appeared. Luskin tol d NEWSWEEK that Rove "never knowingly disclosed classified information" and that "he did not tell any reporter that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA." He did sa y that Rove himself had testified before the grand jury "two or three ti mes" and signed a waiver authorizing reporters to testify about their co nversations with him. "He has answered every question that has been put to him about his conversations with Cooper and anybody else," Luskin sai d But one of the two lawyers representing a witness sympathetic to the White House told NEWSWEEK that there was growing "concern" in the White House that the prosecutor is interested in Rove. In early October 2003, NEWSWEEK reported that immediately after Novak's c olumn appeared in July, Rove called MSNBC "Hardball" host Chris Matthews and told him that Wilson's wife was "fair game." But White House spokes man Scott McClellan told reporters at the time that any suggestion that Rove had played a role in outing Plame was "totally ridiculous." McClellan said he had spoken with all three, and "those individuals assured me they were not involved in this." |
| csua.org/u/cln -> www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/02/AR2005070201043.html More Lawyer Says Rove Talked to Reporter, Did Not Leak Name By Carol D Leonnig Washington Post Staff Writer Sunday, July 3, 2005; Page A07 Karl Rove, President Bush's chief political adviser, spoke with Time maga zine's Matthew Cooper during a critical week in July 2003 when Cooper wa s reporting on a public critic of the Bush administration who was also t he husband of a CIA operative, his lawyer confirmed yesterday. Rove is identified in Cooper's notes from that time period, which Time tu rned over Friday to special prosecutor Patrick J Fitzgerald -- under co urt order. Fitzgerald is investigating whether senior administration off icials leaked CIA operative Valerie Plame's name to reporters in July 20 03 as retaliation after her husband, former ambassador Joseph C Wilson IV, publicly accused the Bush administration of twisting intelligence to justify a war with Iraq. Politics Trivia In what year did Congress declare July 4 a holiday? Sign Up Now Rove's lawyer said Rove never identified Plame to Cooper in those convers ations. More significantly, Robert Luskin said, Fitzgerald assured him i n October and again last week that Rove is not a target of his investiga tion. Karl didn't disclose Valerie Plame's identity to Mr Cooper or anybody else," Luskin said. Luskin said the question rema ins unanswered: "Who outed this woman? Cooper has said that more than one confidential source is identified in h is e-mails and the notes of interviews he conducted in July 2003 after W ilson's opinion piece appeared in the New York Times. Reporters were cal ling the White House with questions about Wilson's assertions, which sen ior government officials tried to discredit. Plame's name first appeared in Robert D Novak's syndicated column in Jul y 2003, eight days after Wilson's opinion piece critical of the Bush adm inistration appeared in the Times. Wilson was sent by the CIA in 2002 to investigate allegations that Iraq had sought to buy uranium in the Afri can nation of Niger, and he reported that he found no proof. His opinion piece accused the administration of twisting intelligence to justify go ing to war with Iraq After the Novak column, Wilson said the White House had damaged his wife' s career and had put all her contacts in jeopardy. He initially accused Rove of being behind the leak, then retracted that statement. It is a fe lony to knowingly identify a covert operative. Rove answered questions under oath for about two hours before a grand jur y on Oct. Accordin g to Luskin, the prosecutor said he believes Rove was candid and forthco ming about his contact with reporters. "I've been assured by the prosecutor they have no reason to doubt the hon esty of anything he's said," Luskin said. Cooper and New York Times reporter Judith Miller face four months in jail as early as Wednesday for defying Chief US District Judge Thomas F H ogan's order to cooperate with Fitzgerald's investigation. The Supreme C ourt on Monday refused to hear the reporters' appeals of Hogan's order. |
| mediamatters.org/items/200409100001 Discuss (16 comments) Contrary to conservatives' claims, Bush has not been forthcoming in releaseof military service records Even White House contradicted Hannity's claim that Bush signed form allowing document release Amid renewed allegations that President George W Bush may have shirked d uties and disobeyed orders during his Vietnam-era Texas Air National Gua rd service and that he was granted a position in the Guard due to his st atus as a member of a well-connected and politically powerful family, ma ny conservative members of the media continue to insist that the adminis tration has been completely forthcoming in authorizing the release of th e president's military records. Meet the Press that he would authorize the release of his military records, the sporadic disclosure of the pertinent document s tells a different story. On February 13, shortly after Bush's appearance on Meet the Press, the Wh ite House produced over 300 pages of military documents in an attempt to put the matter to rest. Th e suit, filed on June 22, was to "compel access to a microfilm copy of t he military personnel file of President George W Bush." The subsequent disclosure of Bush's records has been erratic. repor ted that two dozen new records were released as a result of its lawsuit. And in the wake of incriminating memoranda unearthed by CBS News, which were featured on the September 8 edition of CBS's 60 Minutes, the White House released Bush's personal flight logs. article in the September 8 edition of The Washington Post, the newly released d ocuments show that "Bush failed to carry out a direct order from his sup erior in the Texas Air National Guard in May 1972." Tony Snow: And keep in mind, the president has ordered repeatedly , as commander and chief, he said to the Pentagon, "Get out all the papers," as opposed to John Kerry, who still hasn't signed that little form 180. Sean Hannity: Well, this president actually signed Form 180, whic h authorized the Pentagon to release all of his military records, something we've been calling on Kerry to do for a long time. Hannity & Colmes, 9/8/04 Not even the White House supported Hannity's repeated claim that Presiden t Bush "actually signed Form 180, which authorized the Pentagon to relea se all of his military records." reporte d on August 18: At the White House, press secretary Scott McClellan said he couldn't say specifically whether Mr Bush signed Standard Form 180, but the presid ent did request and release his own military records in February. "I do n't believe he signed any form, but he did authorize making his militar y records available publicly," Mr McClellan said. "We have released al l the records, and reporters were allowed to look at his medical record s as well." |
| powerlineblog.com/archives/010795.php Click here June 20, 2005 You Saw Them Here First Via the Freedom of Information Act, a reader obtained copies of the Form 180s that were recently signed by John Kerry to permit, at long last, th e release of his military records. on their face, I don't see anything wrong with them, but then , I'm no expert in military personnel records. UPDATE: The only apparent anomaly in the Form 180s is that they only auth orize the release of Kerry's active duty records, not his reserve record s This could well be important, in that Kerry's antiwar activities occu rred when he was a member of the reserves. On the other hand, some think that the language of the 180 is broad enough that the Navy may have rel eased Kerry's reserve records, even though not specifically instructed t o The people who know, of course, are the reporters to whom the documents w ere sent. This is a very weird procedure--authorizing the records to be released, but only to specified reporters. It raises obvious questions: did the reporters discuss their role with Kerry or his representative be fore they were designated to receive the records? Were they required to agree not to make the records public, but only to report on them? What o ther discussions did they have with Kerry or his representatives? Are th ey willing to release the records, or at a minimum give us an inventory of what they received so that we can assess the completeness of the disc losure? I have phone calls in to two of the reporters, and will attempt to interview them. |