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1/8 Hey, what a suprise, President Bush fudge the WMD report:
http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1589731
\_ NPR? Don't even bother bringing that biased shit here. You're
no better than the freeper guy. Find a real source and we'll talk.
\_ How 'bout that liberal bastion, MSNBC?
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3909150
\_ How 'bout USA Today?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-01-08-report_x.htm
\_ How 'bout reading the report yourself?
http://www.ceip.org/files/pdf/Iraq3FullText.pdf
\_ How about you see who the http://ceip.org is before taking their
'report' seriously?
\_ The administration obviously took it seriously enough
to offer a rebuttal. --scotsman
\_ Because it was reported everywhere even though the
source is trash but that never stopped the media.
\_ How 'bout fox's take?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,107798,00.html
\_ See, we need more fair and balanced articles on the motd.
\_ All of these are clones of each other, some taking things
more out of context than others but none of them backs up
the garbage in the so-called "report". Posting lots of links
that say the same thing doesn't prove the crap in the links
are true.
\_ You expect actual insight in journalism? You expect
unbiased reporting in journalism? Debunk it if you're
bored.
\_ Already debunked. The source is more biased than
the freepers.
\_ Like what?
\_ Here we go. NPR is just quoting a think tank. Let's go see
their website: http://www.ceip.org and then decide how likely it
is that their 'report' is in any non-partisan or unbiased. For
those who won't bother, it's a ultra left wing .org that makes
the typical motd leftist look like a right winger.
\_ NPR is not "quoting a think tank". They're reporting on a think
tank's report and the response from the administration. If you
haven't noticed this sort of reporting comprises probably 90%
of "journalism" over the last couple decades. You don't
complain like this when it happens in the other direction...
And calling them ultra-left-wing is pretty knee-jerk. Not
all pacifists are left-wing, and vice versa.
--scotsman
\_ So you admit it is a pacifist .org? What are the odds of
getting a "report" from a pacifist .org that there was
justification for any violent act?
\_ I thought liberals didn't need tanks to think...
\_ Like I said, calling them ultra-left-wing is knee jerk.
They seem to have a platform of pacifism. Who knows if
they have a fiscal policy agenda? Who knows if they
supported LBJ but not Nixon? Do the research and decide
for yourself. --scotsman
\_ Eh. The 'religious right' is lumped with conservatives
for moderate coalition politics reasons. I see no
problems with lumping irrational pacificts along with
irrational fiscal socialists.
\_ Quite seriously, calling them "ultra-leftist" just
makes you look like a kook. They publish Foreign
Policy, the most respected journal of International
Studies published. They are financed by such far
left organizations as Boeing, Citigroup, GE and
Boeing. Their chairman is a venture capitalist!
http://www.ceip.org/files/about/about_trustee.asp
\_ Indeed. Have you noticed how campaign finance
reform is hurting _democrats_ more than
republicans? Republicans get a lot of their
support from ordinary middle class and small
business owners. Democrats rely on big business
with a case of white guilt and hollywood.
Orson Scott Card was right, liberals are the
modern status quo. Warren Buffet's a liberal.
You can't be stupid enough to insinuate that
big business or venture capitalists would
necessarily fund conservative causes.
\_ I am saying that they are not "ultra-leftist"
Are you claiming that GE, etc are ultra leftist?
Did you look at their board of directors?
\_ I agree with your comment about journalism 100%. Now here's
the hard question: what the hell do we do about it?
\_ So, you think this is the ultra-leftist conspiracy? give me a
a break. If Bush's WMD report was true, we would of find WMD
long time ago. Instead, Bush (and all your supporters) is saying
that the reason to go to war is "not important" because Saddam is
a dangerous man at first place.
\_ No, I'm saying there are WMD and we either haven't found them
yet, we're still going through millions of documents to find
and prove them or they were there and moved and need to be
tracked down. We *know* he had them. Everyone in the Clinton
administration and almost every (D) at the time agreed. Did
they just suddenly evaporate when a (R) got into office? That's
just plain stupid. If you believed Clinton, you must believe
Bush as well.
\_ Stop believing what politicans tell you. |
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| www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1589731 The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace says Iraqs weapons program posed no imminent threat. Secretary of State Colin Powell maintains there was no distortion of the facts. Related NPR Stories Expanded coverage / echeck function modified from DHTML email validation script. |
| msnbc.msn.com/id/3909150 Powell, speaking at a news conference at the State Department, stressed that he was still certain that Iraq had dangerous weapons and needed to be disarmed by force, and he sharply disagreed with a private think tank report that maintained that Iraq was not an imminent threat to the United States. I have not seen smoking gun, concrete evidence about the connection, but I do believe the connections existed, he said. Powells observation marked a turning point in administration arguments in support of the United States invasion of Iraq last spring. The assertion that Saddam and the terrorist network led by Saudi fugitive Osama bin Laden were working in concert was a primary justification for the war. As recently as September, President Bush declared that there was no question that Saddam had ties to al-Qaida. Powell himself made the case most strongly in February, when he urged the United States Security Council to back United States military action in Iraq. Iraqi officials deny accusations of ties with al-Qaida, Powell said then. Powell defended those comments Thursday, even as he cast doubt on their conclusions. He said that at the time, he was referring specifically to the presence ofAbu Musab al-Zarqawi in Baghdad for medical treatments. The United States has accused al-Zarqawi of being a close associate of bin Ladens, but intelligence agencies in France and other European countries that opposed the United States war argued that al-Zarqawi was an independent operator. The intelligence community is confident of the material they gave me. It was information they had presented publicly, and they stand behind it. Kay said to be quitting inspection team Since the United States victory in Iraq, United States and United States teams have been scrubbing the country for the chemical and biological weapons the administration insisted the Baghdad government had been hiding. That effort, which has failed so far to find any such weapons, could soon be severely hampered. Senior United States officials told NBC News on Thursday that David Kay, head of the United States-led Iraq Survey Group hunting for weapons, was planning to resign, without issuing a final report. Kays team, which has been scaled back since it began work last year, has found illegal missiles but no stockpiles or ongoing production of chemical or biological weapons, sources told NBCs Andrea Mitchell. Only a rudimentary nuclear program, which had not started, has been found, they said. I think the reason they havent found it is its probably not there, Charles Duelfer, former deputy chairman of the United States weapons inspection agency, said in an interview. Report says policy misguided Powell came under intense questioning at his news conference Thursday about a new report from the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, which accused the administration of systematically misrepresenting the weapons threat from Iraq. Powell responded that Saddam obviously had, and used, destructive weapons in the late 1980s and then refused for a decade to reassure the world that he had gotten rid of them. Of Carnegies finding that Iraq posed no imminent threat, Powell said: They did not say it wasnt there. Years of United States inspections to determine whether Saddam was harboring weapons of mass destruction were working well, the report said, and the United States would be better advised to set up a permanent system with the United Nations to guard against the spread of dangerous technology. |
| www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-01-08-report_x.htm I have not seen smoking gun, concrete evidence about the connection, but I do believe the connections existed. Three experts at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace said in a report Thursday that the Bush administration systematically misrepresented a weapons threat from Iraq, and United States strategy should be revised to eliminate the policy of unilateral preventive war. Powell noted that Saddam obviously had, and used, destructive weapons in the late 1980s, then refused for a decade to assure the world hed gotten rid of them. Of Carnegies finding that Iraq posed no imminent threat, Powell said: They did not say it wasnt there. Iraqs nuclear program had been dismantled and there was no convincing evidence it was being revived, the report said. And the United States-led war on Iraq in 1991 combined with United States sanctions and inspections effectively destroyed Iraqs ability to produce chemical weapons on a large scale, it said. The real threat was posed by what Iraq might have been able to do in the future, such as starting production of biological weapons quickly in the event of war, Carnegie said. Also, Iraq apparently was expanding its capability to build missiles beyond the range permitted by the United States Security Council, the report said. The missile program appears to have been the one program in active development in 2002, it said. Years of United States inspections to determine whether Saddam was harboring weapons of mass destruction were working well, and the United States should set up jointly with the United Nations a permanent system to guard against the spread of dangerous technology, the report said. It recommended that consideration be given to making the job of CIA director a career post instead of a political appointment. Mathews is president, Cirincione is director of the proliferation project, and Perkovich is vice president for studies at Carnegie, an independent research group. Citing the CIA and other United States intelligence offices, the Bush administration contended that Iraq had caches of weapons of mass destruction and plans to produce more. The Carnegie report said the United States intelligence process failed on Iraq and that Bush administration officials dropped qualifications and expressions of uncertainty presented by United States intelligence analysts. In the weeks before the war, the administration also intensified its allegations of links between Saddam and the al-Qaeda terror network headed by Osama bin Laden. Since May, when Bush declared an end to major combat, 357 United States service personnel have died in attacks on them and in accidents. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. |
| www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,107798,00.html Secretary of State Colin Powell search offered a sweeping appraisal of United States foreign policy, arguing that diplomacy has advanced United States interests and, in particular, helped Iraq. What is not there anymore is a horrible, dictatorial, filthy regime that did develop weapons of mass destruction, that used them against people, a regime that filled mass graves. It is not coming back, Powell told reporters in a press briefing at the State Department. Recent reports have questioned whether Saddam Hussein posed an immediate threat to United States national security and whether any weapons of mass destruction search will be found. Powell pointed to evidence that Saddam was hiding plans and matriel for weapons programs to keep his options open as reason for tearing down the regime. What he was waiting to do is see if he could break the will of the international community, get rid of any potential for future inspections and get back to his intentions, which were to have weapons of mass destruction. And he kept the infrastructure, he kept the programs intact, Powell said. The secretary added that it was proper to look at some links between Iraq and Al Qaeda, even though no further evidence has turned up. I have not seen smoking-gun concrete evidence about the connection, but I think the possibility of such connections did exist and it was prudent to consider them at the time that we did, he said. On Thursday, a liberal Washington think tank accused the administration of exaggerating the threat from Iraq, and argued that the United States should abolish its policy of conducting pre-emptive wars and should work with the United Nations on completing an inventory and history of Iraqs weapons program. Powell, who was specifically named in the report, said the researchers at Carnegie did not say that they did not believe Saddam Hussein had the intent to threaten the United States. The fact of the matter is Iraq did have weapons of mass destruction and programs for weapons of mass destruction and used weapons of mass destruction against Iran and against their own people. Former Defense Department official Richard Perle search also argued that it would be suicidal for the United States to decide its goals without the option for pre-emption. We cant get the United States to agree that terrorism is a threat such that were justified in responding by taking action first, so-called pre-emption, Perle told Fox News. According to the United States, we have to wait until a 9/11 takes place before we can then respond. But Perle has also criticized Powell in a recent book, saying the secretary is too dovish when it comes to foreign policy. Powell responded that the only persons view he worries about is that of President Bush. Administration officials say they believe the use of force in Iraq has had a positive effect on the use of diplomacy elsewhere, convincing other nations that the United States was serious about its concerns. That conclusion was drawn, in part, from recent pronouncements from Libya, which has agreed to give up all its weapons and open up the country to inspections. We saw Libya decide after many years that it wasnt worth the game, it wasnt worth the candle to continue to develop weapons of mass destruction, Powell said. And in Iran, aggressive diplomacy in cooperation with the Europeans convinced the government there to agree to halt programs that could have produced nuclear weapons and to accept more intrusive inspections, Powell said. He added that the humanitarian breakthrough, when Iran quickly accepted American aid after a devastating earthquake there, could mean a better future between two longtime adversaries. Powell also looked to North Koreas recent suggestions that it will stop developing its nuclear weapons program while it waits for the next round of six-way negotiations. Powell said that while he was encouraged, none of North Koreas latest gestures could be taken seriously. What is absolutely essential for us to move forward, we need a clear statement from the North Koreans that they are prepared to bring these programs to a verifiable end, he said, adding that the United States will not make any concessions on North Korea until it agrees to give up its nuclear ambitions. |
| www.ceip.org -> www.ceip.org/ Carnegies China program offers insight and analysis on the volatile simmering in the Taiwan Strait. Read: Democratic Contagion by Mixin Pei Trouble in Taiwan by Michael Swaine Event: Taiwan Election Analysis Event: Taiwan at a Crossroads Where Taiwan Support Stops by Swaine and Pei . Russian Post-Communist Political Reform For the past two decades, Russian leaders have attempted to launch a series of political reforms purportedly aimed at moving the country toward democracy. |
| www.ceip.org/files/about/about_trustee.asp Craig Vice Chairman Partner, Williams & Connolly Bill Bradley , Managing Director, Allen & Company Robert Carswell , Of Counsel, Shearman & Sterling Jerome A. Cohen , Of Counsel, Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison Richard A. Debs , Advisory Director, Morgan Stanley Susan Eisenhower , President, The Eisenhower World Affairs Institute Donald V. Gelb , President Emeritus, Council on Foreign Relations William W. Richard Giordano , Chairman, BG Group plc Jamie Gorelick , Partner, Wilmer, Cutler & Pickering Stephen D. Harlan , Partner, Harlan Enterprises LLC Donald Kennedy , President Emeritus and Bing Professor of Environmental Science Emeritus, Stanford University, Institute for International Studies Robert Legvold , Professor of Political Science, The Harriman Institute, Columbia University Stephen R. |
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