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2004/7/2 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:31128 Activity:insanely high
7/2     http://csua.org/u/80x
        U.S. sending 7 of its 12 carrier strike groups to glower at China this
        summer. -- ulysses
        \_ Their flower-power is no match for my glower-power.
        \_ nice.  sugar daddy comes to our rescue again.  teach those idiotic
           nationalistic gung-ho commie bastards some manners ....
           most likely, they will do something like US trade sanction against
           cuba instead ... and see whose economy collapses first.
           \_ It's based on unfound rumors.  Sending 7 CSG to one spot is not
              only an overkill for a message but also very stupid.
                \_ yea, but there isn't much to do these days anyway ...
        \_ It's foolishness. It simulates a war footing against China. And
           even worse, it's deploying 10 out of 12 CSG at a single time, which
           means naval scheduling will be a mess for the year afterwards. The
           perfect time for China to invade is a month or two after the
           exercise while the US is recovering.
           \_ This is consistent. Foresight, planning and contingency
              preparation have not been BushCo's strong points.
              \_ Ah yes.  The foresight to anticipate an Iraqi insurgency,
                 the planning to award no-bid reconstruction contracts to
                 Halliburton, and preparing for the contingency that we might
                 not be showered with flowers.
                 \_ Who exactly else in the whole world could have rebuilt an
                    entire country like Halliburton is doing now?  No one.
                    There is no one else on the planet that could have bid.
                    Some things just need to get done without bullshit and
                    24 month bid reviews.
           \_ well, it's an exercise. it seems reasonable to want to run though
              it for training purposes. it's politically incorrect but then so
              is communism.
              \_ When did communism become non-pc?
                 \_ Communism has always been cool with the politcally correct
                    crowd.  They idolise it and its confused followers.
           \_ come on guys, an url from a 2nd hand ?news? site that is based on
              a speculation from another totally unreliable site (sina.cn)
              isn't really a solid starting point for a sound discourse.
              Oh, never mind.  Neither is the motd.
              \_ But it would be cool if true since only 3 or 4 battle groups
                 carries more than enough fire power to obliterate all signs
                 of civilisation in China.
        \_ Yes it is true and fairly old news.
           Seven Carrier Strike Groups Underway for Exercise 'Summer
           Pulse 04'
           http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1146624/posts
           \_ Which is quite different from the op.
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Ching Cheong HONG KONG - The United States is planning a massive show of force in the Pacific Ocean near China to register a point with Beijing. WHAT THE NUMBERS MEAN: ONE aircraft carrier is sent to a trouble spot as a reminder of US presence. This was done several times in the past, when tension was high in the Taiwan Strait. TWO carriers show serious concern, as was the case when China test-fired missiles over the strait in 1996. THREE OR FOUR are sent in combat situations - as in the Gulf War in the early 1990s and the recent Iraqi war. Sending SEVEN carriers in peace time to the same region is unprecedented. The US plan to do this after mid-July, in the Pacific Ocean near China, is a message to Beijing for its threat to use force to stop Taiwanese independence. Operation Summer Pulse 04, it is expected to arrange for an unprecedented seven aircraft carrier strike groups (CSGs) to rendezvous in waters a safe distance away from the Chinese coastline - but still within striking distance - after mid-July. This will be the first time in US naval history that it sends seven of its 12 CSGs to just one region. According to a Department of Defence statement, Summer Pulse is to test out a new Fleet Response Plan (FRP) aimed at enhancing the American Navy's combat power and readiness in a time of crisis. The FRP calls for the despatching of six 'forward deployed' or 'ready to surge' CSGs to a trouble spot within 30 days, and an additional two within 90 days. Although the statement does not say where the seven CSGs will exercise, the Status of the Navy website said the USS Carl Vinson, Abraham Lincoln, John C Stennis and Kitty Hawk were in the Pacific Ocean as of yesterday. The USS Enterprise and Harry Truman are in the Atlantic Ocean while USS George Washington is in the Persian Gulf. com, an influential website in China, the signs point to a gathering of all seven CSGs in the Pacific. Sources in Beijing say China's reading is that Summer Pulse is being mounted with it as the target audience, a suspicion reinforced by reports that Taiwanese forces are slated to join in the drill. Clearly, given Beijing's repeated warning that it will use force, as a last resort and whatever the cost, to stop Taiwanese independence, the US feels it needs to send Beijing a message. From past deployment patterns, the US usually despatches one CSG to a trouble spot as a reminder of its presence. It did so several times in the past when tension was high in the Taiwan Strait. It sends two to indicate serious concern, as was the case when China test-fired missiles over the strait in 1996. In a combat situation, it deploys three to four, which was what it did in the Gulf War in the early 1990s and the recent Iraqi war. But never before has it sent in peace time seven CSGs to the same theatre. According to Kanwa Defence News, which specialises in Chinese military matters, Beijing can cope with just one CSG currently. However, a Chinese military source who declined to be identified is more sanguine. This means that if China has to wage war over Taiwan, it has to be able to land and seize control of the island within the first 30 days. Otherwise, under the FRP, six CSGs may well arrive to join in the battle. Politically, Summer Pulse is likely to be seen by many Chinese as naked intimidation.
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Under the FRP construct, the Navy can provide six CSGs in less than 30 days to support contingency operations around the globe, and two more CSGs can be ready in three months to reinforce or rotate with initially responding forces, to continue presence operations in other parts of the world, or to support military action in another crisis. "Summer Pulse 04" will exercise the logistics and shore infrastructure necessary to execute a large scale surge operation, stress the operational concepts in the Navy's Sea Power 21 strategy, and improve Navy interoperability with numerous allies and coalition partners as well as other US military forces. The seven aircraft carriers involved in "Summer Pulse 04" will include: the Norfolk-based USS George Washington CSG and the San Diego-based USS John C Stennis CSG, both currently deployed, and Yokosuka, Japan-based USS Kitty Hawk. 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It's not the kind of thing where you call the British Admiral of the Fleet and ask if his Navy is busy next week. View Replies To: Ken H Many if not all the ships wouldn't fit through the canal. And yes a carrier would make it through a nasty hurricane at sea. If one were coming towards one at its docks it would go out to sea where it would have a better chance of riding it out. In this uncertain world I don't think you'd want a carrier in such a situation as being in a lock where it is a sitting duck. View Replies To: Dog Aussie Bloke, seems there are predictions of a comet striking earth next week. Venus crossing the path of the sun and other predictions. It is all over the net, like I said, grab some tin foil. Western Pacific Aircraft carrier Stennis (CSG) Guided-missile cruiser USS Lake Champlain (CG 57) Burke-class destroyer USS Howard (DDG 83) Guided-missile frigate USS Ford (FFG 54) Fast-attack submarine USS Salt Lake City (SSN 716) Replenishment ship USNS Rainier (T-AOE 7) Also amphibious assault ship Belleau Wood amphibious transport dock ship Denver amphibious transport dock ships Comstock (10-11) Burke-class guided missile destroyers Preble and Hopper -- will depart next month. The ship and its crew are headed to Southeast Asia in support of a Cooperation Afloat Readiness and Training (CARAT) cruise. McCampbell will be conducting joint naval exercises with the countries of Singapore, Thailand, Brunei, Malaysia and the Philippines. Also: Twenty Royal Navy ships, led by HMS Invincible, are heading off to take part in the exercise called Rapid Alliance, which is taking place off the eastern seaboard of the United States. id=2918574 Mediterranean Sea Surface Strike Group deployment: (14) Guided-missile destroyer USS Ramage (DDG 61) (15) Guided-missile destroyer USS Ross (DDG 71), (16) Guided-missile frigate USS Elrod (FFG 55) USS John C Stennis Strike Group Deploys for Pacific Operations: Navy-Marine strike group leaves on 6-month deployment: More than 5,000 sailors and Marines with the Belleau Wood Expeditionary Strike Group will leave San Diego Thursday for a six-month deployment in support of the war on terrorism The amphibious assault ship Belleau Wood and the amphibious transport dock ships Denver and Comstock will depart from 32nd Street Naval Station beginning at 8:30 am Thursday. "It is the first time an expeditionary strike group will be commanded by a Marine general, according to the Navy. txt "The Army begins a major staging operation today at the port to ship equipment to southwest Asia." shtml Official explanation: Strike Group Deploys Early To Help Quell Insurgency "The plan was developed to train naval forces for quick response to crises and in support of national interests." story=69752&ran=237692 ROTA, Spain (NNS) -- USNS Patuxent (T-AO 201) accompanied patrol boats USS Typhoon (PC 5) and USS Sirocco (PC 6) on their journey across the Atlantic Ocean to Naval Station Rota, Spain, and arrived in port with the two PCs May 12. View Replies To: FreeAtlanta Wouldn't it be nice if this had lots of prominent foreign politicians getting photo ops, lots of publicity about the operations and 3 carrier groups just happen to near Korea when boom they take out the NK nukes and the whole NK front line? Then we could say to ROK hey sorry about the mess, yall better go on and clean it up. View Replies To: Ken H I'm assuming it couldn't get though the Panama Canal, right? The WW-II Essex class carriers and Iowa class battleships have 90 foot beams -- they were designed to (just barely) fit through Panama Canal locks. View Replies To: Ken H A carrier would easily withstand a hurricane. I was on the Kennedy in '86 when we did high speed runs through 35 foot seas and 70 mph winds. They tie the aircraft down with TWENTY chains, 5 for the nose, tail, and each main landing gear. Personally, I get seasick the first day or so and then I get used to it. I have heard of some sailors being given a medical discharged because of severe seasickness. Let me just say from the outset that the Federal Reserve has confirmed our Stock Market Crash forecast by raising the Money Supply (M-3) by crisis proportions, up another 468 billion this past week. 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