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2005/11/28 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:40748 Activity:nil
11/26   http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,176728,00.html
        Clinton lied too. Bosnia took 9 years, not 1.
        \_ Really? And how many sucide bombers killed Bosnians in that time?
        \_ Cf. Korean War: 55 years of American troops presence.
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FOXFAN CENTRAL Should Congress Investigate Misleading Prewar Intelligence? Friday, November 25, 2005 By Timothy Lynch ARCHIVE Washington is in high dungeon these days over the events leading up to th e Iraq war. Democrats charge President Bush with misleading the Congress and the elec torate over prewar intelligence. John Kerry said Mr Bus hs handling of the war was one of the great acts of misleading and dec eption in American history. Bristling at the charge, Vice President Dick Cheney rejoined that such at tacks are among the most dishonest and reprehensible charges that have ever been aired in Washington. If anything good comes out of this heated debate, it is perhaps the conse nsus that on the momentous decision of war or peace, presidential decept ion is repugnant. Can this principle of presidential honesty and candor find an enduring place in our politics? 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