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2004/11/10 [Politics/Domestic/Abortion, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:34816 Activity:high
11/10   Too bad Bork was Borked
        Constitutional Persons: An Exchange on Abortion
        http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft0301/articles/schlueter_bork.html
        \_ why's that?  Bork is almost universally agreed to be
           way more conservative than any member of the supreme court.
           i'm glad someone that extreme isn't on the court!  no matter
           how much he prides himself on his faithful interpretation
           of the constitution.  just because he's brilliant
           doesn't mean he belongs up there.
           \_ he's a strict constructionist!  Dubya would LOOOVE him!
              \_ Bork's too old.  Dubya wants to destroy USSC credibility for
                 generations to come!
                 \_ Dubya's too late.  Earl Warren did that already.
           \_ 'agreed' - by who?  Did you even bother to read his
               article in the link?
                \_ agreed on by the entire planet.
                   \_ Yes, but *which* planet?
                \_ are you seriously going to debate with me whether most
                   of the world does not agree Bork is the meanist orniest
                   strict constructionist ever put forth before the
                   nomination process?
                   \_ We've just had an election where most of the voters
                      thought Dubya would make a better president.  Do you
                      really want to argue whether what "most of the world"
                      thinks has any connection to reality?
           \_ "Strict constructionist" == interprets the way I like
              "Activist judge" == interprets the way I don't like
              \_ strict, as in thomas, scalia, and bork = if no
                 constitutional mandate defer to the people and their
                 legislative representatives.
                 activist = I know whats best for the unwashed masses.
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Nathan Schlueter Readers of First Things should by now be wellacquainted with the heated n ational debatein part inspired by these very pagesover the role and legi timacy of the modern Supreme Court, armed with the power of judicial rev iew, in a country that proclaims itself to be selfgoverning. Under the i nfluence of a progressive jurisprudence the modern Court has issued cont roversial and innovative rulings on topics ranging from criminal due pro cess to school prayer, rulings that often conflict with both the text an d context of the Constitution, and with the history and traditional prac tices of our nation. But perhaps no issue better illustratesand indeed m agnifiesthis conflict than abortion. Roe v Wade and its progeny not onl y challenge the legitimacy of the Court, with their highly partisan and tendentious reading of the Constitution, they challenge the legitimacy o f the entire government, a government that tolerates, and often even enc ourages, the mass destruction of those human beings who are most innocen t and defenseless. It is surprising, therefore, that on this most central constitutional and moral issue a preponderance of prolife advocates and legal scholars con tinually misinterpret the Constitution. According to them, a proper read ing of the Constitution would reject the concept of a privacy right to a bortion, and thus return the nation to the preRoe status quo in which th e decision of when, whether, and how to regulate abortion was left to th e states. In offering this restoration interpretation, they ignore or re ject the proper interpretation, which would extend the protections of th e Fourteenth Amendment to unborn persons. This is what I will call in th is essay the unborn person interpretation. They continue to do this desp ite the fact that both the majority in Roe and the appellants to the cas e conceded that if the personhood of the unborn could be established, th e appellants case, of course, collapses, for the fetus right to life wou ld then be guaranteed specifically by the Amendment. To gauge the pervasiveness of the restoration interpretation among life a dvocates, one need only consult these pages. Fortyfive leading prolife a dvocates, including Gary Bauer of the Family Research Council, James Dob son of Focus on the Family, Clarke Forsythe of Americans United for Life , Wanda Franz of the National Right to Life Committee, and Ralph Reed of the Christian Coalition, signed a much heralded joint Statement of ProL ife Principle and Concern published in First Things in 1996 in which the primary legal complaint was made that Roe wounded American democracy by removing the issue of abortion from democratic concern. The statement s uggested two legal remedies: first, the Supreme Court could reverse Roe, returning the issue to the states; second, the nation could pass a cons titutional amendment that would extend Fifth and Fourteenth Amendment du e process protection to unborn persons. The statement does not even hint at the possibility of a Supreme Court ruling that would extend due proc ess and equal protection to unborn persons. The First Things statement s eems to reflect the unanimous opinion of those Justices on the Supreme C ourt who have urged reversing Roe, not one of whom has attempted to make or even respond in their opinions to the unborn person interpretation. However wellintentioned, the arguments of the restoration advocates are u sually grounded in an epistemological skepticism that is alien to normal constitutional interpretation and harmful to the political morality on which free government is based. While I dont object to a constitutional amendment that would extend special protection to unborn personsespecial ly since such an amendment would presumably lodge protection for the unb orn beyond the discretion of partisan courts, and also dispose of any po tential problems with respect to state actionsuch an amendment is consti tutionally superfluous. 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