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2004/10/7-8 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:33977 Activity:very high
10/7    A lot of people say how bad Castro is, but how come Cuba does
        so well at sports and also things like infant mortality, in spite
        of decades of US sanctions?  :
        http://www.economist.com/markets/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3270702
        \_ Well, universal healthcare has its benefits as well as universal
           education and state-sponsored atheletics. I don't know, do you
           prefer a communist dictarship where people have to wait in line
           all day to buy stuff and any opposition is brutaly squashed
           and everyone is equally poor to get a lower infant mortality
           rate and a better international baseball team over an oligarchy
           run by a couple of rich industrialists and plantation owners which
           also brutally squashed opposition to its rule? I guess it depends
           on your perspective.
           \_ It is true that Cuba is poor, but a lot of it has to do with
              our economic sanctions.  Without it, there is a big chance that
              Cuba might follow China's step.
              \_ I'm glad you believe this. Why don't you go over there
                 and do business then?
                        \_ because it's ILLEGAL.  Weren't you paying attention?
                           \_ So you must be outraged about Halliburton
                              doing business in Iraq during the US sanctions
                              \_ I'm outraged we wasted more than 10 years
                                 "sanctioning" Iraq while every corrupt piece
                                 of shit at the UN, in France, Germany, Russia,
                                 and other places was making billions in bribes
                                 at our expense while the Iraqi people suffered
                                 and the Hussein regime grew stronger.
                                 \_ This is an excellent reason for filing a
                                    grievance with the WTO and then punishing
                                    those nations with crippling tarriffs and
                                    sanctions.  If the US would follow through
                                    with its convictions, the world would have
                                    no recourse but toe the line.
              \_ Economic sanctions don't do shit.  The entire rest of the
                 world freely trades with Cuba.  In fact, our Cuba sanctions
                 policy going on for decades now should be proof enough that
                 sanctions are a mindless and useless tactic to use against
                 any country.
                 \_ Against Cuba I tend to agree.  In general, though, I do
                    not.  Sanctions prevented Saddam Hussein from building
                    WMD.
                        \_ Sanctions also made Libya give up WMD programs.
                           It's harder to control a country when the people
                           are miserable.
                           \_ Lie.  Libya gave up their WMD a few days after
                              SH was pulled out of a hole by US troops.
                              \_ Maybe the guy is just WRONG.  You need to
                                 get a little perspective here, guy.
                              \_ Uhhh, Libya giving up their WMD and coming
                                 back into the world community was a diplomatic
                                 effort going on well back into the Clinton
                                 administration.  Gaddafi didn't just watch
                                 Saddam Hussein be captured on TV and suddenly
                                 decide to give up WMD.
                 \_ None of you can tell the difference between coordinated
                    multilateral sanctions and unilateral pigheadedness?
                    Yes, you have to "corner the market" for sanctions to
                    be effective. No, this is not a surprise.
                    \_ And universal sanctions are a joke.  Look how Saddam
                       made *billions* (with a B) corrupting the 'global'
                       sanctions put on his country.  It hurt the people to
                       no end while further empowering his evil government.
                 \_ Economic sanctions does a lot of damage to small countries,
                    the reason it does not work on China is because China can
                    self sustain and be on their own. The same is definitely
                    not true for small countries. Take Korea for example, if
                    the US sanctions them, they will starve and die, it's as
                    simple as that. Cube is poor partly because of our economic
                    sanction.
                    \_ No.  If the US sanctions Korea, other countries will
                       simply cash in as they have in Cuba and anywhere else
                       the US has tried to impose sanctions while our EU
                       "allies" ignore them for the bucks.  Sanctions do not
                       work.  I'd like to see a place where they have.
        \_ Because the numbers are faked?
        \_ oh yea, where a majority of the people shower with buckets.
           One would think that after Communists killed 60+ million
           in the 20th century people would learn.
           \_ You are a moron.
              \_ Comrade, the united peoples of our great state thank you
                 for your heroic efforts against the propaganda of the
                 western capitalist pigdogs!  You shall be rewarded by being
                 moved up the People's Moscow Apartment Waiting List by
                 15,000 spots!  You have served the Motherland nobly!
           \_ Careful with that broad brush, it paints both ways.
              \_ Like I said, you would think people would learn.
                 \_ You think people would learn to not support imperialism
                    too, after the hundreds of millions of people the
                    imperialists killed in the 19th and 20th century.
                    But they never do, do they?
                    \_ Oh the horror of an improved standard of living,
                       a longer life expectancy, and a technologically
                       based society.  What hath we wrought!
                       \_ At the expense of a psychological scar on the
                          American psyche (see: Slavery and Race Relations),
                          the wholesale slaughter of indigenous people
                          (see: Indians, American), and the continued
                          exploitation of and dependence on underprivileged
                          workers and illegal labor in the agrarian sector
                          (see: Migrant Labor and Illegal Immigrants).
                          \_ Victory of the proletariat, comrade!
                       \_ What improved standard of living?  Improved
                          standard of living only happened after the
                          Imperialists got kicked out.
        \_ Cuba spends a huge amount of government money on athletics
           (compared to zero in the US). Also, I note that I see athletes
           defecting from Cuba to the US frequently, but I can't recall anyone
           defecting the other way.
           \_ They don't defect to Cuba because the US government has
              effectively imprisoned our atheletes and does not allow them
              the opportunity to travel to the Golden Land of Cuba.
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