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2010/7/20-8/11 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:53889 Activity:low
7/20    Is jblack still on? What about the rest of the pro-war cheerleaders?
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100720/ap_on_re_eu/eu_britain_iraq_inquiry
        \_ War is fought for the glory of generals and the economics of the
           war machine.  Looking for "justifications" for it is like looking
           for sense in the necronomicon.  Just accept it and move on.
        \_ When we fight with Red China, what nation will we use as a proxy?
           \_ Pakistan.
              \_ Oh, not korea?
                 \_ Supplying by land >>>> supplying over the pacific; see
                    any documentary on Guadalcanal.
           \_ Taiwan, I assume. Korea would work also, but a bit harder to get
              started, for both sides.
              \_ Probably Taiwan, but really any country in the region that we
                 give two spits about and that PRC cares to invade.
              \_ How would you supply Taiwan if the PRC blockades the Yellow
                 Sea and the Balintang Channel?
                 \_ How does China re-inforce their invasion force in the face
                    of 13 US aircraft carriers? We both have the same problem,
                    which would make it kind of interesting. China would be
                    smarter to pick a fight over a place they can resupply by
                    land, but they probably don't want to have to deal with
                    North Korea either.
                    \_ They're alot closer to Taiwan, and cargo in subs.
                       \_ The Japanese tried that in Guadalcanal
                          \_ Those weren't real subs, those were diesel
                             submersible ships. Also, we broke their code.
        \_ Good thing Iraq is a shining example of Democracy and Freedom
           in the Middle East. Now everyone there will want to be our ally:
           http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100727/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq
           \_ There's a bridge in San Francisco I want to sell you.
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KVUE-TV Austin By DAVID STRINGER, Associated Press Writer David Stringer, Associated Press Writer - Tue Jul 20, 2:21 pm ET LONDON - The war in Iraq led to a loss of focus on the threat from al-Qaida, emboldened the group's leader Osama bin Laden, and helped to breed a generation of homegrown terrorists, Britain's former domestic spy chief told an inquiry Tuesday. Making the sharpest criticism so far aired in Britain's inquiry into mistakes made in the Iraq war, Eliza Manningham-Buller, director of the MI5 agency between 2002 and 2007, said Britain's government paid little attention to warnings that the war would fuel domestic terrorism. Manningham-Buller also said Iraq had posed little threat before the 2003 US-led invasion, and insisted there was no evidence of a link between former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein and the Sept. "There was no credible intelligence to suggest that connection and that was the judgment, I might say, of the CIA," she told the inquiry. 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There are satilite photos of the weapons of mass destruction being shipped to Syria. Don't you people listen to the Sean Hannity radio program? Saddam was getting yellow cake from @#$% he was close to having a nuke. Look at the map now and use your ole red blue political influence map tricks on the Middle East region. Holy smokes I never dared dream that much penetration into the Middle East would have even been possible! Bin laden failed in the very beginning and he knew it year one. All those years of talk just turned out to be smack at some level. The gamble was that the Muslims would unite and rise up to smite the evil America as a unit. In the face of the American war machine they were like deer in headlights and left thier Iraq brothers to be slaughtered.. The jihad just didn't happen at level he needed it too, the great battle was lost as soon as it began. And now half the Middle East is infested with Americans. Brought the westerners to the homeland and now they will stay. 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FILE - In this Jan 24, 2004 file photo, fires flare off the gas from crude oil at Iraq's oldest oil processing plant in the northern Iraqi town of Bab AP - FILE - In this Jan 24, 2004 file photo, fires flare off the gas from crude oil at Iraq's oldest oil processing ... It's cash that Iraq, which relies on volatile oil revenues to fuel its spending, can ill afford to lose. "Iraq should take legal action to get back this huge amount of money," said Sabah al-Saedi, chairman of the Parliamentary Integrity Committee. The money "should be spent for rebuilding the country and providing services for this poor nation." The report by the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction accused the Defense Department of lax oversight and weak controls, though not fraud. "The breakdown in controls left the funds vulnerable to inappropriate uses and undetected loss," the audit said. 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