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2004/2/3-4 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:29777 Activity:very high
2/3     U.S. troops dying at rate over 1 a day in Iraq
        http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2004/02/03/troop_death/index.html
        \_ fascinating!  do you have peace time numbers to compare?
           \_ ...in IRAQ.
              \_ fascinating!  do you have peace time numbers to compare?
                 \_ Interesting article that explores the numbers:
                    http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/03/07/Editor250703.html
                    Well, collection of letters.  One references this report
                    http://amsa.army.mil/1Msmr/2003/V09_N01.pdf
                    --scotsman
                 \_ What in the hell are you talking about?  Are you trying
                    to imply that 47 US soldiers died in Iraq in a month before
                    we invaded?
                    \_ not at all, I simply requested more information.  if
                       you don't have it, just say so.  no need to get so
                       defensive.
                       \_ Its the motd.  There's no such thing as a question
                          without an ulterior motive.  But anyway, no, I was
                          posting a random AP wire, not a research paper.
                          \_ Ok, so this is just a meaningless unresearched
                             out of context random factoid?  Cool, thanks.
                             \_ Look, the ulterior motive rears its ugly
                                head!
                                \_ not at all.  i only asked to see if it was
                                   standard motd drivel or OP actually knew
                                   what they were talking about for once.
                                   \_ ok, now you've seen scotsman's link
                                      which has a peacetime fatality rate
                                      an order of magnitude lower than what
                                      we're seeing in Iraq.  So now what do
                                      you say?  -tom
                                      \_ By 'peacetime' do you mean 'when
                                         uncle Saddam was in power?'
                    \_ 47 days in a month? psycho!
                       \_ *over* one per day are dying.
                         \_ say over 1.5 are dying then twink
                            \_ What in Sam Hill you talkin' about boy?
        \_ stop masturbating on the motd, people.
           \_ My vagina is angry!
              \_ pixP
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Real History weekend at Cincinnati, August 29-September 3, 2003. It is too soon to tell whether this article, and the wide discussion it seems to have provoked, has had an effect on coverage. Two days ago we presented a selection from the first batch of e-mail response to the article. Here is another provocative sample: Letter My husband is a war veteran and it makes the two of us crazy that the media is doing this. Hope you don't mind but everytime I hear or see a reporter do this I am quoting you and your article with a link to it. The attempt to sanitize the deaths of these soldiers is shameful. Joan and Pete Ingolia Letter Besides more accurate reporting on U. There is a tendency to assume, well, OK, they were "just" wounded, just a flesh wound, that sort of thing, they'll recover nicely with treatment and down-home, self-deprecating humor from Hawkeye and Trapper. Instead, "wounded" might mean the loss of limbs, having one's legs blown off by a mine. Sadly, I doubt the majority of the public appreciates this possibility, given a lifetime of TV and movies where the hero takes a bullet, rips off part of his sleeve with his teeth, bandages himself up, and soldiers on heroically. Perhaps it might be more meaningful to replace "wounded" with "maimed" or "disfigured" or whatever is the appropriate word under the circumstances. Day Letter I resent the spin you are trying to place on the number of Americans killed in Iraq. You are trying to make out that the "Mainstream Media" is in cahoots with the government in an attempt to hide the death tolls. I know you are trying to do a job but please lay off the yellow journalism. I agree with you that all of these deaths are tragic, but the military is a DANGEROUS occupation, even in peace time. A day doesn't go by where you don't read about some poor person who gets killed through accident, stupidity, or otherwise. So stop making it out that the truth is being hidden from the American people. 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