6/21    http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/21/international/middleeast/21SUIC.html?pagewanted=2
        "The bottleneck on the Palestinian side is not the suicide attacker,"
        said a senior Israeli security official. "It's the bomb."
        \_ It will end only when Palestinian mothers love their children more
           than they hate the Israelis.
           \_ It seems to me that if Israel tried to make life better for
              the Palestinian's not as many would be willing to die in
              suicide attacks.  For example, if Israel built decent public
              schools, health care, etc. and took steps to make help
              Palestinians find decent jobs some of them might decide that
              rebuilding their country and moving forward is better than
              terrorism.  Then again, if one of my friends or family members
              was killed by a terrorist I might have a hard time taking
              such steps.
              \_ This is all UN controlled territory and the UN, EU, and others
                 pump many millions a month into the PA.  Where is all the
                 money going?  Not schools, jobs, or healthcare....  You're
                 looking to the wrong folks for these things.  Oh yeah, this
                 is also all supposed to be demilitarised land.  Why is the UN
                 sitting on it's ass while weapons pour into the area?  It'll
                 end when the Palestinians love their children.  As a side
                 note, this was all Jordanian territory untl 1967 and they ran
                 it even worse than the Israelis.  Why were mass Jordanian
                 executions ok but the Israelis are somehow supposed to be
                 lifting up the people who are specifically targetting their
                 children in a self-proclaimed "war of the buses"?
                 \_ because people have short memories.
                 \_ I'm not saying that what the Palestinians are doing is
                    good.  What they should be doing is massive non-violent
                    protests a la Gandi or MLK, but they aren't.  My point
                    was only that Palestinian parents won't start encouraging
                    their children to be peaceful unless they feel that
                    they can have happy, productive lives.  As long as life
                    sucks, their will be no shortage of martyrs.
                    \_ But Gandi and MLK both did it under severe adversity
                       and oppression. I don't understand why Palestinians
                       refuse to take the non-violent approach.
                       \_ Those activists that have tried non-violence
                          have been shot and beaten. They also tend to
                          get pushed aside for attention by the violent
                          types. In India, the independence movement had
                          both violent and non-violent elements and even
                          in the civil rights struggle, MLK was one of
                          the more moderate elements. Isreal is also far
                          more willing and able to use violence against the
                          Palestinians than Southern Sheriffs were against
                          King (sad but true). So, the short answer is,
                          many Palestinians have tried non-violence. The
                          longer answer is that non-violence is probably
                          only ever effective as one part of a multi-pronged
                          approach. Unfortunately, the Palestinians seem to
                          have lost sight of this as well, and are increasingly
                          dominated by the violent and desperate factions
                          such as Hamas, leaving the Isrealis with no one
                          reasonable to negotiate with.
                    \_ Wow. Both of your arguments are basically clearly
                       stated, respectful of others' points of view and
                       earn sympathy from the reader. Maybe the football games
                       have the normal crowd still asleep. In any case, I'm
                       afraid this thread is too decent for politics on the
                       motd. You're going to have to leave now.
                       \_ YOU ESS EH! YOU ESS EH! YOU ESS.. oh damn it...
                          \_ Try again in 2006.
                \_ Maybe the Palestinians wouldn't be so violent if their
                territority wasn't being littered with Israeli "Settlements"?