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2004/5/13-14 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus] UID:30202 Activity:very high
5/12    nCircle is looking for an experienced software engineer.  See
        /csua/pub/jobs/nCircle.sweng
        \_ so I have been doing java, and I still believe I'm an expert
           c/c++ programmer.  However, if you ask me what are
           the printf format parameters, I doubt I could tell you much
           other than %s.  So I can definitely get a book on c/c++ and
           \_ You are not an expert.  You are a fool.  Fortunately, you are
              dangerous only to yourself.
              \_ agree on being a fool part. If you are not making 100k with
                 an expert skill, you are a fool.
                 \_ What expert skill?  Not knowing printf?
                   \_ unless you are working with a company that use printf
                      all day long.  Not every app require printf, some you'll
                      never need it.
           start cramming, but I feel like it's pointless.  It's like
           someone asks me what's the difference between a semaphore and
           mutex, I can't really articulate.  Then when I really start
           doing the kind of work that relates to the topic I can do a
           very good job.  I am bring this up because I want to understand
           in real world how someone like me get around the barrior.  My
           experiences with a few people at companies is that they can tell
           the technicle stuff from cover to cover, but their work is just
           horrible. And they work at extremely slow pace; they don't seem to
           know how to debug their own code; they use the most inefficient
           they use the most inefficient
           algorithms (I would have no problem with that if they can deliever
           quicker which leaves room for optimization).
                \_ I'm in the same boat as you, and have been wondering about
                   this...  Learning/knowing how to learn, instead of just
                   rememebering details...
                   \_ If you need to ask, you should go and study the subject
                      and know the minutiae.  There are people who get by
                      by being brilliant.  You are not one of them.  If
                      you are, you wouldn't be here asking if you need to
                      know something.
           \_ C and C++ are quite different from Java.  The languages all have
              different idioms.  Being an expert in Java does not make you an
              expert in C or C++, even with a cram session.
              \_ All the programming skills are transferable.  I was doing
                all c/c++ programming for 6 years before switching to Java.
                Picked up java without reading a java book.  I all did was
                have the online Java API in my browser.  Now I'm coding with
                struts framework with online references.  In less than a year
                time at the current company I have already developed 3 voice
                applications (come in this company without any voice background
                \_ well, I'd expect going from C or C++ to Java is easier than
                   the other way around.
                   \_ yes, it is.  In essence, Java produce bad programmers
                   because java programmers wouldn't know how to manage
                   memory efficiently, they'll also most likely run into
                   alot of memory leaks when trying code c/c++
                   \_ I think that's silly.  Programmers are not
                      produced by the language.  Bad programmers are
                      bad because they are lazy or dumb or
                      inexperienced, not because they use
                      garbage_collected_language_001. -- ilyas
        \_ you said you are looking for someone who loves coding instead of
           money, does that mean the position will be less than $80K?  There's
           always a balance between love and bread.
                \_ the salary is competitive.  -brian
                \_ anytime they ask for "lots of passion/$" they're implying
                   that they want new, clueless fresh out of college grads
                   who have no idea what they're worth so that they can pay
                   very little for the biggest bang/bucks. Been there,
                   done that, and places like this are usually managed by
                   lame management. In fact, screw the passion. No matter
                   how interesting/challenging the job is and no matter how
                   much passion you have, the job will get boring after
                   4-5 years. The sooner you realize this the better  off
                   you'll be.
                   \_ agree 100%. Been there done that and still there! No
                   matter how productive I am, how much I have offerred, no
                   a sign of appreciation, still counting my clocks.  So I'm
                   also counting clocks.
                   \_ Yep. Hey kids, work your ass off for 12 hour days because
                      you believe in the company! We're all a happy family,
                      work hard but just play harder! Here kid, do this tedious
                      shit that nobody else wants to deal with, you'll learn a
                      lot! Oh hey kid we have to lay you off now, bye.
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