1/19 Iowa: Dean: Crushed. At least Iowans have some sense.
\_ So, do you actually believe that Kerry can beat Bush, and that
if he does he'll really make a noticable difference?
or Edwards? I also find it hard to take seriously a process
that has Dennis Kucinich beating Wesley Clark by more than a factor
of 10.
\_ As a registered voting Republican I find Dean a weak and pathetic
opponent. I honestly don't think he stands a chance in Hell vs.
Bush in a general election. A Kerry/Edwards ticket is going to
be a tough race (assuming they don't stumble, rape any nuns, etc)
I don't see what you see in Dean. His only claim to fame is he
hates Bush (or says he does) as much as you do. He can't win a
national election on "I'm the guy who hates Bush!" Adults won't
vote that theme in sufficient numbers. People at the polls want
hope for the future, they want the vision thing, not hatred and
bile and spewing.
\_ Actually, I don't believe Dean could beat Bush. Why? Because
Dean portrays himself as a one-issue candidate - namely, the
whole WMD thing. Although he may be right about Bush using
WMD as a ruse to accomplish his own acts of personal revenge
while jeapordizing the lives of thousands of American soldiers,
British soldiers, and innocent civilians, most American voters
don't seem to give a damn.
\_ Clark wasn't running in Iowa.
\_ You're replying to a Deaniac. You can't expect him to know
anything.
\_ I can't get excited about any of the other candidates. They avoid
anything controversial, and just do the same old political dance.
I agree Edwards is pretty impressive though. It's easy to imagine
him getting broad support.
\_ Also, Gephardt is expected to drop out of presidential contest.
http://csua.org/u/5m4
\_ Good riddance.
\_ kind of sad, because I really think Gephardt *REALLY* has a shot
against Bush. He is not the most exciting canidate on earth,
but he has the organization to mobilize massive mainstream
voters. -socialist who love dean, but well aware
dean is too far to the left to be successful.
\- Do you like Gephardt's OrangeGlow? --psb
\_ The more I think about it, the more an Edwards/Clark ticket looks
like the ideal. John Edwards is a pretty cool guy.
\_ I like the way you think...except don't you mean Clark/Edwards?
\_ Why Clark? He's a Republican for Christ's sake! I don't see
how any Democrat voter could seriously cast a ballot for him.
\_ First of all, I think Clark has the best chance of unseating
Bush (honestly, Dean doesn't stand a chance). Second, I'd
like to think that I'm voting for a person based on his
leadership and not his party affiliation. As a registered
Democrat, I'm voting for Clark because I think he
demonstrated strong leadership as Supreme Allied Commander
during the Kosovo campaign.
\_ If he was a Republican would you cross over and vote for
Clark instead of any of the other Democrats running? If
yes, then great. If not, then you're full of it.
\_ I don't think Clark is Republican. The only thing
that makes him Republican is Dean saying he is and
the fact that Republicans like to make the words
Republican and military synonymous with each other
(which I think is a load of crap). I don't believe
people are born into a party and stick with it their
whole lives. There are many people who switch party
affiliations. That doesn't make them less of a
Democrat or less of a Republican.
\_ So you honestly just believe that Clinton called him
one day last year and he suddenly had this instant
conversion from (R) to (D) philosophy and ideals?
It wasn't too long before that he wa heaping praise
on Bush and the rest of the Bush Admin. and was out
lobbying and promoting (R) causes. As a (R) I'd vote
for him except he's so flip floppy. No conviction.
\_ During times of war, people usually give the
POTUS the benefit of the doubt because there is
the assumption that the president isn't a lying
scumbag who's willing to risk thousands of lives
for the sake of personal revenge. But Bush lied
to everyone, including Clark and Kerry. In fact,
many people who once supported Bush during the
war now oppose him. Things change. People switch
from R to D or D to R.
\_ Bush is not the (R) party. He's one man. No
one switches parties based on the actions of
one man who at best will have 2 terms. That's
just plain silly. The entire philosophy of
the two parties is different.
\_ Republicans voted for Swartzenegger. (sp?)
\_ Some. So did a lot of Democrats. This Republican voted
for Tom. When you see this State swirl down the toilet
because we (as a State) elected an actor don't come on
here and try to make it out like this was a pure (R) thing.
He had broad support across all lines. unfortunately.
\_ It's thinking like this that will give us another 4 years
of Bush, which is the last thing I want. Wake up!
\_ So you'll vote for a Republican, any Republican, if it
\_ having a balanced budget and good headway towards
reducing some of our national debt would have been
a lot better for the poor and middle classes.
Instead, some people got a check. To induce spending?
In a time when our economy was fucked? This
administration took a promise of the first net
positive budget balance I can remember in my lifetime,
and turned it into an even larger deficit. How exactly
does this help the poor? Plus, although I was one of
the lucky ones who actually got a $300 check, most of
the people I know (family, acquaintances, etc) did not.
It was completely random.
means getting Bush out of office?
\_ He supports repealing the tax cuts, cutting income tax for
families making under $50k, and medical coverage for all
children. This does not sound Republican to me.
\_ Uhm? Repealing the tax cuts means the poor and middle
class and married people all get fucked. Are you even
remotely aware of who the tax cuts helped and by how
much? It seems not. Don't bring that talking points
mantra stuff to the motd. It was not just the top 1%
that was allowed to keep more of their money or was given
more money. Every working family and person got
something. Repeal the tax cuts and you hurt those same
children you say you want to help. You don't know what
a Republican sounds like.
\_ Have you looked at what Clark has proposed? Repeal the
dividend and estate tax cuts, restructure the income tax
cuts and _actually_ help the poor and middle class.
\_ Refute me, you ass, don't bother dismissing me.
[Somewhat better response either overwritten or
deletd.]
\_ I refuted you. The tax cuts helped everyone in some
way. Repealing them hurts everyone in some way.
Do you want me to find and quote the specific lines
from the new tax code? If you can't see that I did
more than enough to make my case I can't be blamed
for your ignorance of what should be common
knowledge. Go read a newspaper. And I didn't have
anything to do with any deletes or overwrites, btw.
\_ I like how people claim that Bush's tax cuts
"helped everyone" when I'm sitting in front of
my pay check trying to figure out how I was
"helped". I guess it must have been that
whopping $20 in tax savings. Big fucking deal.
\_ stop overwriting.
\_ Well, stop writing to the motd when I am.
\_ you overwrote my post(the spam post),
plus the first reply to it, both of
which were completed over 90 seconds
prior to your save. I use me, I also
merge. Have some consideration,
jackass.
\_ Reminds me of the Simpsons where Mr. Burns
offers the Union a keg of beer in exchange for
a new contract that drops their dental plan. |
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