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2004/1/20 [Computer/Networking] UID:11838 Activity:moderate
1/19    I can't get DSL or cable Internet connection where I live.  What other
        options do I have besides spending >$450 on a T-1?
        \_ satellite?
           \_ I just got satellite net from DirectWay for the same
              reason. Happy with it so far. -bz
        \_ move
        \_ where do you live?
           \_ Los Altos Hills
        \_ If you can get a T1 for only $450, you should get one and sell time
           on it through a wireless network to your neighbors.  Be a local ISP.
2004/1/20-21 [Reference/Law/Court] UID:11839 Activity:low
1/21    I'm looking for a lawyer who can represent me in a small claims appeal
        case. Where do I start? Thanks!
        \_ the phone book.  look under "L".
        \_ John Edwards
        \_ Generally lawyers don't appear in small claims.  That's the point.
           \_ a lawyer can't represent you in small claims court, period
              (except in very specific cases, like if you're a lawyer and
              you're representing yourself). but this guy is asking about
              an *appeal*, which is probably going to be in superior court.
                \_ EXACTLY. In appeal both sides can have lawyers, and it
                   is usually wise to do so.
2004/1/20 [Uncategorized] UID:11840 Activity:nil
1/19    Just curious. Can you use BSE as an assassination tool? Can you
        somehow inject it into meat and give it to say, Bin Laden or N Korean
        people?
        \_ If you want to wait 20+ years to kill them, sure.
        \_ If you know the person who feeds food to the person of interest,
           you must be able to get to that person yourself.
2004/1/20 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:11841 Activity:nil
1/19    Dean loses it
        http://www.machan.info/SA/psychodean.mp3
        \_ psycho pension for Dean..
        \_ put him on suicide watch
2004/1/20 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc] UID:11842 Activity:nil
1/19    I'm setting up LDAP to replace NIS+ at work. I got the server running
        and I think I know how to setup the clients. However, what exactly am
        I supposed to do to add in things like a /etc/hosts table or an
        automount table?
2004/1/20 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:11843 Activity:low
1/19    Iowa: Dean: Crushed.  At least Iowans have some sense.
        \_ So, do you actually believe that Kerry can beat Bush, and that
           if he does he'll really make a noticable difference?
           or Edwards?  I also find it hard to take seriously a process
           that has Dennis Kucinich beating Wesley Clark by more than a factor
           of 10.
           \_ As a registered voting Republican I find Dean a weak and pathetic
              opponent.  I honestly don't think he stands a chance in Hell vs.
              Bush in a general election.  A Kerry/Edwards ticket is going to
              be a tough race (assuming they don't stumble, rape any nuns, etc)
              I don't see what you see in Dean.  His only claim to fame is he
              hates Bush (or says he does) as much as you do.  He can't win a
              national election on "I'm the guy who hates Bush!"  Adults won't
              vote that theme in sufficient numbers.  People at the polls want
              hope for the future, they want the vision thing, not hatred and
              bile and spewing.
           \_ Actually, I don't believe Dean could beat Bush. Why? Because
              Dean portrays himself as a one-issue candidate - namely, the
              whole WMD thing. Although he may be right about Bush using
              WMD as a ruse to accomplish his own acts of personal revenge
              while jeapordizing the lives of thousands of American soldiers,
              British soldiers, and innocent civilians, most American voters
              don't seem to give a damn.
           \_ Clark wasn't running in Iowa.
              \_ You're replying to a Deaniac.  You can't expect him to know
                 anything.
        \_ I can't get excited about any of the other candidates. They avoid
           anything controversial, and just do the same old political dance.
           I agree Edwards is pretty impressive though. It's easy to imagine
           him getting broad support.
        \_ Also, Gephardt is expected to drop out of presidential contest.
           http://csua.org/u/5m4
           \_ Good riddance.
           \_ kind of sad, because I really think Gephardt *REALLY* has a shot
              against Bush.  He is not the most exciting canidate on earth,
              but he has the organization to mobilize massive mainstream
              voters.           -socialist who love dean, but well aware
                                 dean is too far to the left to be successful.
                                 \- Do you like Gephardt's OrangeGlow? --psb
        \_ The more I think about it, the more an Edwards/Clark ticket looks
           like the ideal.  John Edwards is a pretty cool guy.
           \_ I like the way you think...except don't you mean Clark/Edwards?
           \_ Why Clark?  He's a Republican for Christ's sake!  I don't see
              how any Democrat voter could seriously cast a ballot for him.
              \_ First of all, I think Clark has the best chance of unseating
                 Bush (honestly, Dean doesn't stand a chance). Second, I'd
                 like to think that I'm voting for a person based on his
                 leadership and not his party affiliation. As a registered
                 Democrat, I'm voting for Clark because I think he
                 demonstrated strong leadership as Supreme Allied Commander
                 during the Kosovo campaign.
                 \_ If he was a Republican would you cross over and vote for
                    Clark instead of any of the other Democrats running?  If
                    yes, then great.  If not, then you're full of it.
                    \_ I don't think Clark is Republican. The only thing
                       that makes him Republican is Dean saying he is and
                       the fact that Republicans like to make the words
                       Republican and military synonymous with each other
                       (which I think is a load of crap).  I don't believe
                       people are born into a party and stick with it their
                       whole lives. There are many people who switch party
                       affiliations. That doesn't make them less of a
                       Democrat or less of a Republican.
                       \_ So you honestly just believe that Clinton called him
                          one day last year and he suddenly had this instant
                          conversion from (R) to (D) philosophy and ideals?
                          It wasn't too long before that he wa heaping praise
                          on Bush and the rest of the Bush Admin. and was out
                          lobbying and promoting (R) causes.  As a (R) I'd vote
                          for him except he's so flip floppy.  No conviction.
                          \_ During times of war, people usually give the
                             POTUS the benefit of the doubt because there is
                             the assumption that the president isn't a lying
                             scumbag who's willing to risk thousands of lives
                             for the sake of personal revenge. But Bush lied
                             to everyone, including Clark and Kerry. In fact,
                             many people who once supported Bush during the
                             war now oppose him. Things change. People switch
                             from R to D or D to R.
                             \_ Bush is not the (R) party.  He's one man.  No
                                one switches parties based on the actions of
                                one man who at best will have 2 terms.  That's
                                just plain silly.  The entire philosophy of
                                the two parties is different.
              \_ Republicans voted for Swartzenegger. (sp?)
                 \_ Some.  So did a lot of Democrats.  This Republican voted
                    for Tom.  When you see this State swirl down the toilet
                    because we (as a State) elected an actor don't come on
                    here and try to make it out like this was a pure (R) thing.
                    He had broad support across all lines.  unfortunately.
              \_ It's thinking like this that will give us another 4 years
                 of Bush, which is the last thing I want. Wake up!
                 \_ So you'll vote for a Republican, any Republican, if it
                    \_ having a balanced budget and good headway towards
                       reducing some of our national debt would have been
                       a lot better for the poor and middle classes.
                       Instead, some people got a check.  To induce spending?
                       In a time when our economy was fucked?  This
                       administration took a promise of the first net
                       positive budget balance I can remember in my lifetime,
                       and turned it into an even larger deficit.  How exactly
                       does this help the poor?  Plus, although I was one of
                       the lucky ones who actually got a $300 check, most of
                       the people I know (family, acquaintances, etc) did not.
                       It was completely random.
                    means getting Bush out of office?
              \_ He supports repealing the tax cuts, cutting income tax for
                 families making under $50k, and medical coverage for all
                 children.  This does not sound Republican to me.
                 \_ Uhm?  Repealing the tax cuts means the poor and middle
                    class and married people all get fucked.  Are you even
                    remotely aware of who the tax cuts helped and by how
                    much?  It seems not.  Don't bring that talking points
                    mantra stuff to the motd.  It was not just the top 1%
                    that was allowed to keep more of their money or was given
                    more money.  Every working family and person got
                    something.  Repeal the tax cuts and you hurt those same
                    children you say you want to help.  You don't know what
                    a Republican sounds like.
                    \_ Have you looked at what Clark has proposed?  Repeal the
                       dividend and estate tax cuts, restructure the income tax
                       cuts and _actually_ help the poor and middle class.
                    \_ Refute me, you ass, don't bother dismissing me.
                       [Somewhat better response either overwritten or
                        deletd.]
                       \_ I refuted you.  The tax cuts helped everyone in some
                          way.  Repealing them hurts everyone in some way.
                          Do you want me to find and quote the specific lines
                          from the new tax code?  If you can't see that I did
                          more than enough to make my case I can't be blamed
                          for your ignorance of what should be common
                          knowledge.  Go read a newspaper.  And I didn't have
                          anything to do with any deletes or overwrites, btw.
                          \_ I like how people claim that Bush's tax cuts
                             "helped everyone" when I'm sitting in front of
                             my pay check trying to figure out how I was
                             "helped". I guess it must have been that
                             whopping $20 in tax savings. Big fucking deal.
                             \_ stop overwriting.
                                \_ Well, stop writing to the motd when I am.
                                   \_ you overwrote my post(the spam post),
                                      plus the first reply to it, both of
                                      which were completed over 90 seconds
                                      prior to your save.  I use me, I also
                                      merge.  Have some consideration,
                                      jackass.
                             \_ Reminds me of the Simpsons where Mr. Burns
                                offers the Union a keg of beer in exchange for
                                a new contract that drops their dental plan.
2004/1/20 [Computer/HW/CPU] UID:11844 Activity:nil
1/19    Anyone tried to build a Athlon 64 based system?  What motherboard
        did you use?  Any incompatibility problems?
        \_ I started to spec it out and then found out that AMD was
           going to switch socket types in Q2 2k4 and gave up the
           idea. We have a couple of dual opteron boxes at work (newisys)
           they are very nice. No problems with Linux (SuSE Enterprise
           Linux 8 and RH 3.0) or FreeBSD 5.2.
            \_ Thanks.  I don't worry too much about "upgrade paths", since
                my habit is to just get a new computer every 5 years.
            \_ Why does a mb change bother you?  Are you really seriously going
               to ever put a new chip in that mb?  By the time you're ready to
               get a new chip, you'll *want* to get a new mb to get all the new
               stuff on it... like support for that new chip.  Just go buy the
               AMD.  I'm only slightly above my break even point and I need
               AMD.  I'm only slightly above my break even point and I need for
               them to have a good quarter.  Thanks!
2004/1/20 [Consumer/CellPhone] UID:11845 Activity:low
1/19    T-Mobile coverage in the bay area.  Good?  No?
        \_ T-Mobile uses GSM, so they have the exact same
           coverage as Cingular(SBC/PacBell), and share the same
           towers.
           \_ I wish SprintPCS will have same coverage as
              Verizon by virtue of both of them using CDMA.
              \_ They each can roam onto each others networks, but I don't think
                 Verizon has any need.  There's very few extra places they would
                 gain reach to, they'd be taking on a bunch of extra traffic at
                 a lower (to them) price per minute, and they'd nix their single
                 biggest competitive advantage, which is that their network is
                 better than everyone else's.
           \_ tmobile piggybacks on cingular in some areas, but have
              been deploying their own network on their own towers or
              their own antennas on someone elses towers
        \_ I'm clueless about cellphones. What provider and what type
           (GSM vs CDMA) should I go for to have the best coverage (south
           bay, SF and Berkeley) and not have a lot of roaming charges?
           \_ Coverage is less dependent on technology and based more
              on how much your provider is willing to spend on building
              dense networks. Sprint sucks. Verizon and AT&T are relatively
              good and Cingular tends to oversubscribe. I personally like
              GSM because of the removable SIM card which allows you to
              take your phone overseas and use a local calling card.
              But just to summarize the local providers:
              Sprint: CDMA
              Verizon: CDMA
              AT&T: GSM, non-GSM TDMA
              TMobile: GSM
              Cingular: GSM
              Nextel: iDEN?
           \_ What about Japan?
        \_ Cingular, DIE DIE DIE!!! Dropped calls (oversubscribe) in densely
           populated place, and no signal in some suburbs. DIE DIE DIE!!!!!
           I've tried AT&T (GSM) and it's the same shit. I've also tried AT&T
           (TDMA) and it's pretty decent. Right now I'm using Verizon. Costs
           a lot but it's worth it.
2004/1/20 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:11846 Activity:nil
1/19    Slow to load, but worth it.
        This guy is no crook, I used to work with him, he is just
        a geeky programmer:
        http://squeedlyspooch.com/blog/archives/000072.html
        \_ He was being accused of ...?
           \_ Raping his cats.
              \_ Close enough: hacking Valve and stealing the source code
                 for Half-Life 2.  So, wtf? did he do it?
                 \_ I suspect this particular guy probably didn't or he
                    wouldn't be spewing his story over the net, but I wouldn't
                    be surprised if one of his friends or net.friends did it.
        \_ http://www.csua.org/u/5m7
2004/1/20 [Reference/RealEstate] UID:11847 Activity:moderate
1/19    I just sold my house but my other house isn't done yet so I need to
        rent a temporary storage place for boxes/furnitures, etc. I'm looking
        at around 6-8 months. How much do they cost? By the way I'm in S Cal.
        Thanks!
        \_ They vary in price highly with the property values in the area. Bay
           area storage rental places are pretty high -- a 12x25' was going
           for ~250/month 3 years ago here in Bay Area.  Call around.
           \_ I poked around on the Public Storage website a little while ago
              and I remember there was some weird pricing going on, like a
              closet-sized room was more expensive than a garage-sized one.  I
              seem to rember the cheapest size was like $34/mo or something.
        \_ I found a place ~3-4 years ago for ~$120.  It was right across the
           Richmond bridge in Marin.  Renting a truck to transport stuff is
           a must, so going a little further to save $50-100 on storage is
           worth it.
        \_ This seems like a troll about SoCal and housing prices in disguise.
           Otherwise, the OP could have just asked about storage in Ca for
           a few months.
        \_ Good thing you sold the house and built a new one out in the
           desert before the bubble popped. Smart move. Now just make
           sure and stock up on guns, gold and canned goods.
2004/1/20 [Reference/Tax, Finance/Investment] UID:11848 Activity:very high
1/20    What do you liberals think of the following:  a big chunk of the state
        budget is in pension funds for gov't employees.  How about we stop
        new enrollment in these state run funds for new govt employees and
        offer 401K plan instead?  Also give incentives for current employees
        to convert to 401K.  The idea is to scale back govt run programs.
        Empower each individual to think about his/her own retirement and let
        them manage their own retirement money instead of asking the govt
        to take care of this.  We can grandfather the program and keep
        everything the same for current employees to keep them happy. But the
        new teachers or prison guards or other civil service workers will
        only have 401K instead.  "Ask not what your country can do for you,
        but what you can do for your country."
        \_ Out of curiousity, can anyone speak to the tax incentives for a
           business for setting up a pension fund versus a matching 401k?
           Or give me a pointer for where I might read up on this.  I've
           been curious about the widespread disappearance of pensions.
           -scotsmaan
        \_ Imagine it was this:  "A big chunk of the company budget is in the
           pension plan.  How about we stop offering a pension and in stead
           offer them a 401K.  Also encourage everyone in the pension to convert
           to a 401K.  The idea is to get the pension plan off the books."
           I guess I don't know how I feel about this.  What kind of
           'encouragement' will you give current and former employees to switch?
           The fact that the state, as an employer runs a pension for its
           employees doesn't really seem overly socialist, just standard
           business practice.
           \_ Imagine?  Those of us with jobs don't have to imagine.  What
              universe do you work in where people still get pensions?  Most of
              us don't even get 401k matching.  And more importantly, how do I
              get a ticket to your universe??  Why should government employees
              get special benefits the working stiffs don't?  Imagine that.
              The obvious method of conversion is offering 401k matching.  It
              is what the rest of us get (if we're lucky).  Pensions are not
              standard business practice anymore.  Not for a long time.
              \_ that's because "standard business practice" is "fuck the
                 employees"
           The fact that the state, as an employer
              \_ Get a better job. My mom's company has both a pension and
                 a 401(k) (which they match 6%). My gf's company has both
                 a pension and a 403(b) (but no matching). Neither work
                 for the government in any way, shape, or form.
              \_ Many govt. employees (like myself) are paid much less than
                 private sector salaries, live in constant fear of being laid
                 off due to the current fiscal crises, never get bonuses or
                 stock options, and do not get raises when there's a deficit.
                 It's quite a trade-off.
                      \- you dont have a 403b? i dont think the working
                         conditions at say the port of oakland is the same
                         at say lbl or ucb. --psb
                 \_ You think people out here don't have the same fears?  Our
                    fears are much much much greater than yours.  There have
                    been *millions* of jobs lost in the last few years alone
                    in industry.  How many government jobs in the same time?
                    Industry jobs can even go poof during good times.  And
                    I've yet to receive a single penny of bonuses, an option
                    worth more than the paper it was on, and it's been a long
                    time since anyone has seen a raise.  You get raises in
                    good times, eh?  Most of us only get raises by quitting
                    and finding a new job.  I've done government work.  You
                    basically don't.  I have very little sympathy.
        \_ If you're looking for ways to solve the current budget crisis, how
           about demanding the billions owed to us by the energy industry?
           \_ It's in court.
2004/1/20 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:11849 Activity:nil
1/19    Shouldn't Iraqis be allowed to vote in out presidential election?
        ... since our leaders are controlling their country. Aren't these
        the principles upon which the American Revolution occurred?
        \_ No.  Have a cookie, troll.
2004/1/20 [Industry/Startup] UID:11850 Activity:nil
1/20    So, a porn company moved in next to our office.  We share a common
        hallway which separates our suites.  They already have a PT Cruiser
        and an Escalade, both with an obvious URL (http://www.blackpuddin.com on
        the back windshield.  Anything we can do, or is their presence totally
        legal?  We're in a nice office park, and their front door says that
        they are a realty company (we didn't make the connection until they
        just stopped caring and took the company cars around without hiding).
        If it matters, they seem to be doing pretty well.
        \_ why do you care?
           \_ usually pron companies are more discreet.  That they aren't
              (the cars parked out front), and that the office says they
              are a realty company when they are (also?) doing porn makes
              me uncomfortable.
              \_ You'd be more comfortable if they put a big "bazoombas.com"
                 banner on the front of the building?  It's specifically to
                 avoid prudes like you that they front as a different kind
                 of company.  -tom
                 \_ hey, are you listening?  cars, out front.  http://blackpuddin.com.
                    there is a difference between being totally out there,
                    and being halfway hidden and halfway not.  It's weird.
        \_ get some?
        \_ Check with the building owner--they might have lied on their lease.
2004/1/20 [Uncategorized] UID:11851 Activity:nil
1/20    Motd poll.  Which is the most reliable troll topic, where "reliable"
        means "guaranteed to generate lots of responses and possible
        censor/overwrite war."
        California sucks because _______ :
        Isreal/Palestine: .
        Bush bad because ______ :
        Liberals bad because ______ :
        Housing prices:
        Motd polls: .
        motdedit: .
2004/1/20 [Transportation/Car] UID:11852 Activity:high
1/20    Having been all over this country of ours, but only driven extensively
        in California, I'm curious: is the rest of the country as full of
        pathologically bad drivers as California, or are we special in some way?\
        \_ Let's start a list of rules that people break:
           1. If you plan on driving slower than others, drive on the right
           2. Pass on the left
              \_ This is not a law or even a "rule" when you have more
                 than two lanes. You are just a hick.
                 \_ passing on the right is more dangerous, because you
                    spend substantial time in the blind spot of the other
                    driver.
                    \_ not only that there is an assumption slow people
                     drive on the right lane and when an 85 mph driver
                     passes on your right, he won't show up on your mirror
                     before it's too late
           3. Trailing distance is 2 seconds, not 2 feet
                                   \_ isn't it 3 seconds?
              \_ this just isn't possible in high traffic areas
                 \_ Because some asshole will always swerve into any gap
                    large enough.  This doesn't excuse the rampant tailgaiting
                    you experience on most major freeways around here.  My
                    favorite is when someone follows you 5 feet away at 75 or
                    80 mph, gesturing and flipping you off, and if you move
                    over for them, they are only able to then tailgate the car
                    in front of you that was moving the same speed.
                    \_ I'm just saying 2 seconds is not going to happen
                       on a crowded freeway.  Yes people tailgate too much,
                       but in high traffic areas leaving 2-3 seconds is
                       bad driving not good.
                       \_ Bullshit. I leave 2 seconds all the time. Expect
                          that someone will cut in front of you every couple
                          of miles. That is no big deal. Tailgating is always
                          dangerous and a bad idea, but especially so in
                          heavy traffic.
                    \_ Amen brother! Same with racing up to red lights. If you
                       don't stay at top speed going to that red light they'll
                       ride your ass or race around you. Then you either both
                       sit at the light, or he's stopped there while you're
                       cruising by as it goes green.
           4. The on-ramp is for accelerating to highway speeds
           5. An entrance to a parking lot is not a parking space
              \_ I've never seen people flat out park in an entrance.  I have
                 seen plenty of people park on parts of a parking lot that
                 aren't really spots and that make traffic a lot messier.
                 \_ That was more of a hyperbole. I was talkinga about people
                    who pull into an entrance, stop, the scope around the
                    parking lot while their ass sticks out into the street
                    preventing others from moving.
           6. Don't correct a navigation error with a driving one
           7. If there are 2 left turn lanes, you CAN'T make a U-turn from
              the outer lane.
              \_ have you ever seen someone do this without making it pretty
                 obvious beforehand?  (And waiting till the inner lane is free)
                 \_ Yes I have. Even if it was free, you should still get
                    into the proper lane to makea  U-Turn. If you miss the
                    lane change, then at least obey rule #6
        \_ Let's start a list of rules that people break:
           1. If you plan on driving slower than others, drive on the right
           2. Pass on the left
              \_ This is not a law or even a "rule" when you have more
                 than two lanes. You are just a hick.
                 \_ passing on the right is more dangerous, because you
                    spend substantial time in the blind spot of the other
                    driver.
                    \_ not only that there is an assumption slow people
                     drive on the right lane and when an 85 mph driver
                     passes on your right, he won't show up on your mirror
                     before it's too late
           3. Trailing distance is 2 seconds, not 2 feet
                                   \_ isn't it 3 seconds?
              \_ this just isn't possible in high traffic areas
                 \_ Because some asshole will always swerve into any gap
                    large enough.  This doesn't excuse the rampant tailgaiting
                    you experience on most major freeways around here.  My
                    favorite is when someone follows you 5 feet away at 75 or
                    80 mph, gesturing and flipping you off, and if you move
                    over for them, they are only able to then tailgate the car
                    in front of you that was moving the same speed.
                    \_ I'm just saying 2 seconds is not going to happen
                       on a crowded freeway.  Yes people tailgate too much,
                       but in high traffic areas leaving 2-3 seconds is
                       bad driving not good.
                       \_ Bullshit. I leave 2 seconds all the time. Expect
                          that someone will cut in front of you every couple
                          of miles. That is no big deal. Tailgating is always
                          dangerous and a bad idea, but especially so in
                          heavy traffic.
                    \_ Amen brother! Same with racing up to red lights. If you
                       don't stay at top speed going to that red light they'll
                       ride your ass or race around you. Then you either both
                       sit at the light, or he's stopped there while you're
                       cruising by as it goes green.
           4. The on-ramp is for accelerating to highway speeds
           5. An entrance to a parking lot is not a parking space
              \_ I've never seen people flat out park in an entrance.  I have
                 seen plenty of people park on parts of a parking lot that
                 aren't really spots and that make traffic a lot messier.
                 \_ That was more of a hyperbole. I was talkinga about people
                    who pull into an entrance, stop, the scope around the
                    parking lot while their ass sticks out into the street
                    preventing others from moving.
           6. Don't correct a navigation error with a driving one
           7. If there are 2 left turn lanes, you CAN'T make a U-turn from
              the outer lane.
              \_ have you ever seen someone do this without making it pretty
                 obvious beforehand?  (And waiting till the inner lane is free)
                 \_ Yes I have. Even if it was free, you should still get
                    into the proper lane to makea  U-Turn. If you miss the
                    lane change, then at least obey rule #6
        \_ they're bad every where, just bad in different ways.
        \_ Californians do this:" Oh my god, it raining!  What do I do?  Should
           I drive *faster*?"
           \_ I dont knwo where you are, but most californians I've seen drive
              ridiculously slower in the rain.  Like "Oh My Goodness, Rain! I
              should slow down to 5mph!"
              \_ I think most people react like this, period.  Try living
                 somewhere with snow and ice.  Everyone either drives
                 at 5 miles an hour, hunched over their steering wheel,
                 or spins around like crazy at 10 over the speed limit
                 because they think 4wd makes them immune to the laws of
                 physics.  We have about 2 months of snow and ice where I live
                 and the idiocy never wears off.  Of course, where I live
                 people also will pass you on the right to take a left turn
                 on a red while honking and flipping you off(New England.)
        \_ My experiences:
           Tulsa, OK: more aggressive than LA in general; do not slow down at
                      all in the rain, so rain=accidents
           Tampa Bay: retirement haven. they drive like it. 15 in 25 zones.
           NorCal:    very reasonable.  few aggressive drivers. slow down a lot
                      in the rain.
           SoCal:     more aggressive. faster overall speeds on freeways. slow
                      down ~5mph in the rain, but rain != instant accidents
           \_ SFBA:     Terrible.  Rarely use turn signals to indicate lane
                        changes, rarely look in rearview mirrors before
                        changing lanes, become spooked at aggressive driving
                        and slam on the brakes. Slow down unnecessarily during
                        rain. Afraid to use horn.
              LA:       Aggressive and belligerent. Fight for every inch of
                        highway.  Prone to driving on shoulder, driving 55 in
                        fast lane, and weaving in and out of traffic when
                        frustrated. Like to blow horn.
              San Diego:Relaxed.  Content to remain in slower lanes when slow.
                        Prone to passing on right, left, and whatever. Not
                        perturbed by faster cars passing on right, left, or
                        whatever.  Not fond of horn.
           \_ In SFBA, some drivers are on their cell phones paying most
              of their attention to the road.  In LA, more drivers are
              on their cell phones paying some of their attention to
              the road.  In SFBA, "Stop" means "Approach stopping."  In
              LA, it means "stop accelerating."  No one pays attention
              what's in front of them if they want to turn or what's
              beside them if they want to go straight.  And aggressiveness
              begets aggressiveness, so LA really sucks.
              \_ Yep, LA sucks, but you've missed the main reason.  Driving
                 sucks everywhere.  LA sucks because you have no choice
                 but to drive.
2004/1/20 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:11853 Activity:high
1/20    spam filter poll. did you use only one and are happy, or have
        you tried one, then switched to the other, and are happy?
        spamassassin: ..
          \_ Constantly need to tweak .spamassassin/user_prefs
        ifile: ..
               \_ Blocks 60 per day with 1 false positive every couple of
                  months. -scotsman
                \_ been usin' ifile, but I get soo much spam it what it lets
                   through is still ridiculous.
                   \_ Do you retrain? -scotsman
        ifile, then spamassassin:
        spamassassin, then ifile:
        none of them work:
        misc:
        SA, then ifile, then SA+ifile: very happy.  If SA+ifile thinks it's
        spam, then it's spam.  If just ifile thinks it's spam, it's almost
        certainly (95%) spam.
        \_ just a comment on false positives.  One false positive a month
           is bad.  Why?  Who wants to go through their whole spam folder
           daily looking for false positives?  If you get to the point
           where you don't double-check for false positives, that means
           false positives = unreceived personal email = very bad.
           \_ going through a spam folder every few days is a lot less of
              a pain in the butt than having all your real email squished
              inbetween the spam.  It takes like 30 seconds to scan the
              subjects and say "nope, all spam, nuke it".
           \_ Well, duh.  If I were depending on email for my job, I wouldn't
              run a spam filter.  But my soda mail is just personal email,
              and anyone who sends there has my cell number, so it's simply
              a convenience to use a spam filter.  If a false positive is
              a big deal, don't filter at all.  Nothing gives 0 false
              positives. -scotsman
              \_ ifile gives way more false positives than spamassassin,
                 so if that's your concern, you shouldn't use ifile.  In my
                 experience, ifile also lets way more spam through, but
                 because it's Bayseian it depends on the type of spam and
                 regular mail you get.  -tom
              \_ Combining SA+ifile (SA blocks score 5 or higher) has never
                 given me a false positive.  I might as well be sending that
                 to /dev/null.  I do review the stuff that one xor the other
                 flags as spam, which turns up 1 false-positive every 3-4
                 months
        \_ SA works great, as long as the version is recent. I use
           SA here and SA + yahoo junk mail filter on my well account,
           which I give out to marketers.
        \_ spamprobe works well for me.  in the three months i've been
           using it, it has not had a false positive.  to me, this is very
           important because i don't want to spend time to going through
           the spam folder looking for that one non-spam email.  its false
           negative rate is comparable to ifile in my experience.  the one
           downside is that the db file is ridiculously huge.
2004/1/20 [Uncategorized] UID:11854 Activity:nil
1/20    Just saw The Triplets of Belleville last night.  Highly recommended
        to anyone that loves animation of all kinds, or 1920s jazz.
2004/1/20 [Computer/HW/Drives] UID:11855 Activity:high
1/20    Can anyone recommend a good program to write regular data
        files (not movies) to dvd?  Something like easy cd/dvd creator
        except good.  TIA.                                      - brendal
        \_ Nero?
           \_ Seconded
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