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2003/10/25 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:10783 Activity:moderate
10/24   Hail Bush and his citizens, the ruler of Earth, the Occupier of
        Terror, Fourth Reich of this planet!!!
        http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/reich.html
        \_ Oklahoma City was done by Iraqis and the Government is
           covering it up!!!  There is a giant conspiracy to trick
           Americans into believing that Iraq has nothing to do with
           terrorism!!!!!
           http://www.cbn.com/CBNNews/News/021022a.asp
           \_ s/Oklahoma\ City/USS\ Liberty
           \_ s/Oklahoma\ City/Liberty
        \_ Bush is Nazi, blah, blah.
           Actually, the funny is, I just watched Raiders of the Lost Ark,
           and one of the Nazi's in the truck scene looks a WHOLE lot like
           Bush...
           \_ Gee if we went by who we all looked like, then I think all
              Asians look like Mao, therefore they are potential dictators
              \_ You take yourself way too seriously, man.  Look up 'joke' and
                 'facetious'.
              s/Iraq/Isarel
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Talismans were added from orthodox religions and the occult to fill the soldiers with delusions of mystical strengths and an afterlife if they fell in battle. The German people were lured into WW2 not because they were brave, but because they were cowards who wanted to be seen as brave, and found that shooting long range weapons at people they could not see took less courage than standing up to Hitler. Sent into battle by that false image of courage, the Germans were dependent on their wonder-weapons. When the wonder-weapons stopped working, the Germans lost the war. I remember as a child listening to the stories of WW2 from my grandfather and my uncles who had served in Europe. I wondered how the German people could have been so stupid as to have ever elected Hitler dog catcher, let alone leader of the nation. And with that clarity, I see the exact same mechanism that Hitler used at work here in this nation. They see themselves as the heroic Americans depicted by Western Movies, the descendants of the fierce patriot warriors who had tamed the frontier and defeated the might of the British Empire. But in truth, by the dawn of the third millennium, the American people have become civilized and tamed, culturally obsessed with fine details in both science and society. Americans are required to behave as if they are brave, even when they are not. They live in a Republic, after all, with strict laws regarding what the government can and more importantly cannot do. The reality is that the American people, as individuals, have lost their courage. The government prefers it that way as a fearful people are easier to rule than a courageous one. So, when confronted with a situation demanding courage, in the form of a government gone wrong, the American people simply pretend that the situation does not exist. 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As the months went by, however, their attitude gradually changed to a point where I felt they were just kind of like, the last time I saw them it was like they were just cleaning up a little mess, there, you know. Oklahoma police sergeant Don Browning said that on the day of the bombing, while rescue efforts were still going on, he saw FBI agents in blue raid jackets using tall ladders to remove all the surveillance cameras from the remains of the Murrah building. None of that video, which might reveal the identity of at least one of McVeighs co-conspirators, has ever been released, except one tape showing only the Ryder truck. Former Oklahoma State Representative Charles Key said, Theres at least a total of, according to a court document, 22 different surveillance videos. Why dont they release those videos and let the people see what those videos show? 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