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2012/5/27-7/20 [Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:54402 Activity:nil
5/26    http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/05/revisiting-why-incompetents-think-theyre-awesome
        Why dim wit thinks he is so awesome.
        \_ I didn't realize I had a Following Bitch. Cool. --dim
           \_ are you getting any brighter?
        \_ why is dim stupid? does he believe in intelligent design?
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