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5/15    Interview with Intelligent Design leader Phillip Johnson:  Attended
        Harvard one year early, graduated first in class at Chicago law, and
        a Boalt professor emeritus - http://csua.org/u/c2t (Post)
        \_ Gee, I always get my biological science from lawyers.  -tom
           \_ Indeed, those do seem to be odd qualifications. -emarkp
        \_ Lawyers should stay out of science, scientists have always
           voluntarily stayed out of law.
           \_ munson@csua graduated cum laude in astrophysics, went to law
              school, worked as an attorney, and is going back to get his
              astrophysics doctorate.  So much for that theory :-)  -John
           \_ Lawyers and empirical scientists are both interested in
              causation (the former to determine responsibility, the latter
              to determine laws of nature).  The business of law and science
              is not that different.  -- ilyas
              \_ Lawyers are interested in winning, regardless of the
                 truth. Scientists are interested in winning too, but
                 at least the data has to stand up to empirical truth
                 \_ Some lawyers.  Just like there are some good politicans.
                 \_ You are thinking about litigators, most lawyers
                    don't litigate.  So far what I've learnt is that
                    being a lawyer is a lot like being an engineer,
                    you try to design solutions that will keep your
                    clients out of trouble and make thier lives
                    easier.
              \_ I think it's a matter of knowledge not principles.
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com Doubting Rationalist 'Intelligent Design' Proponent Phillip Johnson, and How He Came to Be By Michael Powell Washington Post Staff Writer Sunday, May 15, 2005; "The Washington Post is not one of my biggest fans, you know that." The Washington Post reporter has just walked out of a spray of Pacific-bo rne rain into the living room of a modest bungalow west of downtown. The re's a shag rug, an inspirational painting or two and Phillip Johnson, d ressed in tan slacks and a sweater and sitting on a couch. He pulls a do g-eared copy of a Post editorial out of his shirt pocket and reads aloud : "With their slick Web sites, pseudo-academic conferences and savvy public relations, the proponents of 'intelligent design' -- a 'theory' that ch allenges the validity of Darwinian evolution -- are far more sophisticat ed than the creationists of yore. The 65-year-old Johnson swivels his formidable and balding head -- with t hat even more formidable brain inside -- and gazes over his reading glas ses at the reporter (who doesn't labor for the people who write the edit orials). "I suppose you think creation is all about unguided material processes, d on't you? Well, I don't have the slightest trouble accepting microevolut ion as the cause behind the adaptation of the peppered moth and the grow th of finches' beaks. But I don't see that evolutionists have any cause for jubilation there. "It doesn't tell you how the moths and birds and trees got there in the f irst place. The human body is packed with marvels, eyes and lungs and ce lls, and evolutionary gradualism can't account for that." He's not big on small talk, this professor emeritus at the University of California at Berkeley's law school. 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"Evolution is the most plausible explanation for life if you're using nat uralistic terms, I'll agree with that." Johnson folds his hands over his belly, a professorial Buddha, as his words fly rat-a-tat-tat. "That's only," he continues, "because science puts forward evolution and says any other logical explanation is outside of reality." Johnson and his followers, microbiologists and geologists and philosopher s, debate in the language of science rather than Scripture. They point t o the complexity of the human cell, with its natural motors and miles of coding. They document the scant physical evidence for the large-scale m utations needed to make the long journey from primitive prokaryote to mo dern man. They've inspired a political movement -- at least 19 states are consideri ng challenges to the teaching of Darwin's theory of evolution. None of which amuses evolutionary biologists, for whom intelligent-design theory inhabits the remotest exurb of polite scientific discourse. It explains the proliferation of spe cies and the interaction of DNA and RNA, not to mention the evolution of humankind. The evidence, they insist, is all around: Fruit flies branch into new species; studies of the mouse genome reveal that 99 percent of its 30,000 genes have counterparts in humans. There are fossilized rema ins of a dinosaur "bird," and DNA tests suggest that whales descended fr om ancient hippos and antelopes. Does it make any more sense to challenge Darwin than to contest Newton's theory of gravity? You haven't seen Phillip Johnson floating into the st ratosphere recently, have you? William Provine, a prominent evolutionary biology professor at Cornell Un iversity, enjoys the law professor's company and has invited Johnson to his classroom. The men love the rhetorical thrust and parry and often sh are beers afterward. Provine, an atheist, also dismisses his friend as a Christian creationist and intelligent design as discredited science. 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