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2010/12/20-2011/2/19 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:53980 Activity:nil
12/20   "Assange.s lawyer wants investigation of leaks (about Assange)"
        http://www.csua.org/u/s6i (news.yahoo.com)
        Speaking of eating one's own medicine ......
        \_ http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/03/27/wikileaks
           The War on Wikileaks and Why It Matters
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michael Calderone - Mon Dec 20, 11:01 am ET Media leaks abotu Julian Assange WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is a big believer in leaks as a way to shed light on corruption, backroom diplomatic deals and war. But his lawyers aren't happy to see information now being leaked about Assange. "I do not like the idea that Julian may be forced into a trial in the media," Hurtig said. "And I feel especially concerned that he will be presented with the evidence in his own language for the first time when reading the newspaper. I do not know who has given these documents to the media, but the purpose can only be one thing EUR" trying to make Julian look bad." A Guardian spokesman defended the paper's coverage of the allegations against Assange. "The argument that the papers involved with the WikiLeaks cables should not report criticism of him is one all journalists would find ridiculous." Report Abuse What's good for the goose is also good for the gander. Looks likes Julian's attempts to "expose government corruption" has come back to bite him on the backside. Report Abuse Apparently, what's good for the goose is NOT good for the gander. analyst that "alegedly" leaked all these documents to Wikileaks, he should be tried,and if found guilty of treasonous acts, he should be court martialed, dishonorably discharged and then stood against a wall and be shot by firing squad. Report Abuse This report is not completely objective, only appealing to those people who like not knowing what is going on in their own government. Assange leaked those documents for public knowledge, not just to make a country look bad. Why are governments making up charges just to catch this guy? Why are they so afraid the the billions of people they rule know just what the governments did or are doing? It's okay for Assange to leak information to try & bring down my country but no one is supposed to "leak" information about him? And now, he & his lawyer have their panties in a knot over it? Assange is not above the law & needs to be sent to Sweden to stand trial for whatever charges there are against him. If he is innocent, then that's what the verdict will be. Report Abuse "I do not like the idea that Julian may be forced into a trial in the media," What enormous hypocrisy. No one could possibly make Assange look worse than he makes himself look. Report Abuse I would be fascinated to read an explanation by Mr Assange, of just how it is in this new "open" world of his, he needs to remain, the "exception". Or perhaps this is a modern day application of the rule that Caesar's wife is beyond reproach?
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pdf) analyzes how the US Government can best manipulate public opinion in Germany and France -- in order to ensure that those countries continue to fight in Afghanistan. The Report celebrates the fact that the governments of those two nations continue to fight the war in defiance of overwhelming public opinion which opposes it -- so much for all the recent veneration of "consent of the governed" -- and it notes that this is possible due to lack of interest among their citizenry: "Public Apathy Enables Leaders to Ignore Voters," proclaims the title of one section. But the Report also cites the "fall of the Dutch Government over its troop commitment to Afghanistan" and worries that -- particularly if the "bloody summer in Afghanistan" that many predict takes place -- what happened to the Dutch will spread as a result of the "fragility of European support" for the war. 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ACLU's tenacious FOIA litigations to pry documents showing "War on Terror" abuses and the reams of bloggers who sort through, analyze and publicize them -- but that's no match for the vast secrecy powers of the government and private corporations. The need for independent leaks and whistle-blowing exposures is particularly acute now because, at exactly the same time that investigative journalism has collapsed, public and private efforts to manipulate public opinion have proliferated. covertly pay and control supposedly "independent political commentators" to participate in our public debates and sha...
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