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9/6     http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5909207/site/newsweek
        Newsweek suggests that parents might want to start refusing to buy
        iPods for 8 year olds.
        \_ Military School!  W00t!  -John
        \-"Saying no is harder when you can afford to say yes." Come on.
          This kind of inanity is one thing wrong with america and journalism
          today. The other thing wrong with america are those women's tops
          that say things like "princess" in gold sparkles and an ugly font.
               --psb
             \_ what about sweatpants that say "juicy" on the ass?
          \_ Go India!
          \_ I think "sex me baby" on Japanese (girl) tourist in Paris
             beats sparkly gold ugly font "princess".  -John
             \_ Did you say, "OK!"?
                   \- i think these may be different phenomena ... one i
                      think reflects or engenders a sense of entitlement
                      the other just seems weird ... i dunno if it reflect
                      promiscuitity ... in the japanese case, maybe it is
                      just their penchant for weird engrish things on their
                      clothes --psb
                        \_ Give me a fucking break, partha.  It's random crap
                           on a t-shirt.  Stop whining. -- ilyas
                           \_ Give me a fucking break, ilyas.  It's random crap
                              on a motd.   Stop whining.
          \_ On the contrary I found it quite true based on my uncles and
             aunts' experience.  "Look, Dad.  Why can't I go to USC like my
             friend Malissa whose parents happen to be doctors?  Why do you say
             I can only go to a UC?  Don't you have $X in your bank account?
             That's just enough to pay four years of tuition and board at USC.
             What?  Your retirement?  Oh, don't worry.  I'll make sure I find
             you a nice retirement home with three meals.  You do want the best
             for your kid, right?"
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She knew it was ridiculous to spend $250 on a mini iPod for her 9-year-old son Ben. The price tag wasn't the biggest issue for Goldman, a publicist, and her fund-raiser husband, Jon. It was the idea of buying such an extravagant gadget for a kid who still hasn't mastered long division. If she gave in, how would Ben ever learn that you can't always get what you want? Goldman knew there was a good chance the iPod would soon be lost or abandoned, just like Ben's toy-of-choice from last year, a bright blue drum set that now sits forlornly in the basement of their suburban New York home. But Ben nagged and pestered and insisted that "everyone has one." After doing a neighborhood-mom check and finding that Ben's peers were indeed wired for sound, Goldman caved--but not without one last attempt to salvage some lesson about limits. Then, without missing a beat: "Now what about getting me my own Apple G4?" Maybe Peg Tyre will join us for a Live Talk about overindulged children on Wednesday, Sept. Enter your City and State Enter Question Submit Erase entry It's an unexpected legacy of the affluent '90s: parents who can't say no. With school starting, the annual assault on the family budget to fill backpacks with all the cool stuff that "everyone" else has is just beginning. This generation of parents has always been driven to give their kids every advantage, from Mommy & Me swim classes all the way to that thick envelope from an elite college. But despite their good intentions, too many find themselves raising "wanting machines" who respond like Pavlovian dogs to the marketing behemoth that's aimed right at them. Even getting what they want doesn't satisfy some kids--they only want more. Now, a growing number of psychologists, educators and parents think it's time to stop the madness and start teaching kids about what's really important--values like hard work, delayed gratification, honesty and compassion. In a few communities, parents have begun to take action by banding together to enforce limits and rules so that no one has to feel guilty for denying her 6-year-old a $300 Nokia cell phone with all the latest bells and whistles. "It's almost like parents have lost their parenting skills," says Marsha Moritz, 54, who helped found the Parent Engagement Network, a support group in Boulder, Colo. "They want to be their kids' best friend and make sure they're having fun, but what the kids really need is for parents to be parents." NEWSWEEK ON AIR | 9/05/04 Parenting: Just Say No to Generation X-cess Ann Pleshette Murphy, former editor, Parents Magazine; author of "The Seven Stages of Motherhood" (Knopf 2004), Dr. Listen to the complete On Air show While it's certainly true that affluent parents can raise happy and well-adjusted children, the struggle to set limits has never been tougher. Recent studies of adults who were overindulged as children paint a discouraging picture of their future. Kids who've been given too much too soon grow up to be adults who have difficulty coping with life's disappointments. They have a distorted sense of entitlement that gets in the way of success both in the workplace and in relationships. Psychologists say parents who overindulge their kids may actually be setting them up to be more vulnerable to future anxiety and depression. "The risk of overindulgence is self-centeredness and self-absorption, and that's a mental-health risk," says William Damon, director of the Stanford University Center on Adolescence. "You sit around feeling anxious all the time instead of figuring out what you can do to make a difference in the world." Saying NO NEWSWEEK's Peg Tyre on effective parenting NEWSWEEK Today's parents--who themselves were raised on Greatest Generation values of thrift and self-sacrifice--grew up in a culture where "no" was a household word. Goldman remembers that as a teenager, she had to beg for a phone in her room. In a world where families spend "quality time" at the mall instead of in the backyard, her request seems almost quaint. Today's kids want much more, partly because there's so much more to want. The oldest members of this Generation Excess were born in the late 1980s, just as PCs and videogames were making their assault on the family room. They think of MP3 players and flat-screen TVs as essential utilities and they've developed strategies to get them. One survey of grade-school children found that when they crave something new, most expect to ask nine times before their parents give in. By every measure, parents are shelling out record amounts. According to market researchers Packaged Facts, families with 3- to 12-year-olds spend $538 billion annually on entertainment, personal-care items and reading materials for their children. Teens are spending huge amounts of money themselves, some of it cadged from their families and the rest from after-school jobs. Last year 12- to 19-year-olds spent roughly $175 billion, $53 billion more than in 1997, according to Teen Research Unlimited.