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2004/9/6 [Uncategorized] UID:33366 Activity:nil
9/6     Watch Dem. Sen. Zell Millers keynote speech
        rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/c04/c04090104_rnc2.rm
        Starts at 12:20 minute mark
2004/9/6 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:33367 Activity:low
9/6     In line with the thread below about evil.  Here is evil:
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/09/05/wosse705.xml
        If you think it is important to understand this bastards point of view
        and attempt to reason with him instead of picking up his ass for
        incitement and investigating him for terrorism links then I just don't
        know what to say.  Nothing would convince you.
        \_ "As long as the Iraqi did not deliberately kill women
            and children, and they were killed in the crossfire, that would be
            okay."  Methinks he misunderstands the concept of "hostage"  Woohoo!
            We've got hostages we've promised not to harm... under any
            circumstances except by accident!
2004/9/6 [Recreation/Dating, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:33368 Activity:low
9/6     http://p2pnet.net/story/2356
        Why all those Chinese guys come to Berkeley for CS.
        \_ There are elements of our government that would love
           to do the same thing here, and I'm pretty sure from some of
           the posts here that there are some csua americans who would
           be more than happy to help them do it.
        \_ And of course, the most insightful reply in the thread following:
           "If we stop looking at internet porn, the terrorists win. Is that
            what you want? Huh? I didn't think so."
2004/9/6 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:33369 Activity:moderate
9/6     John Kerry on the Senate floor talking about how "We do not need to
        divide America over who served and how"
        http://csua.org/u/8xn
        \_ That's different.  Clinton is glorious.
           \_ Hi Paolo.
              \_ No, but interesting guess.  What made you think I was
                 Paolo?
                 \_ There's some motd person who thinks he's clever and likes
                    to pretend that Paolo posted some comment or another.
                    Just ignore him.  -- !paolo && !paolo guesser
2004/9/6 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:33370 Activity:nil 70%like:33362
9/5     More swift boat war crimes... almost.
        http://csua.org/u/8xf
        porpsuk:annoyance (from bugmenot)
        \_ Nearly everyone in Vietnam committed war crimes and atrocites,
           including Kerry, and it was only afterwards (in his words) that he
           came to understand that raping and slaughtering civilians was
           against the law.  He never said he had any personal moral problem
           with it.  Only that it was afterwards he came to understand what he
           did was illegal.  I assume that means if it wasn't illegal, he'd be
           a-ok with it.
2004/9/6-7 [Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:33371 Activity:high
9/6     How come GSG9 can't operate outside of Germany? And how are the
        special forces in the US compare to the ones in Israel? I have a
        feeling that US is lagging because we rely so much on smart weapons
        and technology and not really training people for the higher risk
        operations.
        \_ They can.  The German constitution has some very strict
           limitations on the foreign deployment of their armed forces. -John
           \_ No, they can not. They are not military.
              http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/Germany/GSG9.htm
              As for Israeli military, http://www.isayeret.com has all the info
              you want.
              \_ They are a branch of the Bundespolizei, and they _can_ very
                 well, however their regulations have been amended
                 to state that they do not.  It is not inconceivable that
                 they would, though, seeing as how Bundeswehr troops have
                 been deployed more flexibly since then (Afghanistan, Kosovo).
                 And my use of the term "armed forces" was unclear and ill-
                 defined--I tend to think of these as including non-military
                 but related organizations.  -John
        \_ special forces ARE smart weapons, and US special forces are quite
           good.  the problem is deciding when and how much to use them to
           avoid wearing them out or diluting their skills through rushed
           training and recycling.  also, different politically installed
           operational rules affect the outcome, e.g. part of the Israeli
           special forces reputation comes from how they've been used.
           \_ Size don't matter, it's how you use it!
              \_ ...and other myths invented by small men.
           \_ I still remember the disaster at Somalia.
2004/9/6 [Computer/HW/Memory] UID:33372 Activity:kinda low
9/6     Why are memory address changers called "Trainers"? What do you
        train?
        \_ The player.  They let you keep from getting killed in 5 sec so you
           get a chance to learn the game.
2004/9/6-7 [Consumer/Audio] UID:33373 Activity:kinda low
9/6     http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5909207/site/newsweek
        Newsweek suggests that parents might want to start refusing to buy
        iPods for 8 year olds.
        \_ Military School!  W00t!  -John
        \-"Saying no is harder when you can afford to say yes." Come on.
          This kind of inanity is one thing wrong with america and journalism
          today. The other thing wrong with america are those women's tops
          that say things like "princess" in gold sparkles and an ugly font.
               --psb
             \_ what about sweatpants that say "juicy" on the ass?
          \_ Go India!
          \_ I think "sex me baby" on Japanese (girl) tourist in Paris
             beats sparkly gold ugly font "princess".  -John
             \_ Did you say, "OK!"?
                   \- i think these may be different phenomena ... one i
                      think reflects or engenders a sense of entitlement
                      the other just seems weird ... i dunno if it reflect
                      promiscuitity ... in the japanese case, maybe it is
                      just their penchant for weird engrish things on their
                      clothes --psb
                        \_ Give me a fucking break, partha.  It's random crap
                           on a t-shirt.  Stop whining. -- ilyas
                           \_ Give me a fucking break, ilyas.  It's random crap
                              on a motd.   Stop whining.
          \_ On the contrary I found it quite true based on my uncles and
             aunts' experience.  "Look, Dad.  Why can't I go to USC like my
             friend Malissa whose parents happen to be doctors?  Why do you say
             I can only go to a UC?  Don't you have $X in your bank account?
             That's just enough to pay four years of tuition and board at USC.
             What?  Your retirement?  Oh, don't worry.  I'll make sure I find
             you a nice retirement home with three meals.  You do want the best
             for your kid, right?"
2004/9/6 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:33374 Activity:very high
9/6     John Kerry wanted to hit back. It had been a miserable August as he
        took incoming fire about his military service from a gang of hostile
        Vietnam vets. But no, campaign manager Mary Beth Cahill and other
        staffers argued, the Swift Boat ads would blow over. Finally, Kerry
        had had enough. For three or four days, as he campaigned across the
        country, Kerry ripped into Cahill, furious that the mostly baseless
        attacks on his valor were driving his numbers down. "He was very
        angry," one old friend says. "The calculation had been made that this
        wasn't going to hurt him." Kerry's solution was to reach for an old
        ally. "Get Vallely," he screamed.
        http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5916073/site/newsweek
        \_ About freaking time.  You'd think a guy would respond quicker
           when his only campaign issue is under attack.
           \_ On the other hand, Bill Clinton says:  "Stop talking about
              Vietnam!"  Who to believe?
              \_ Clinton.  duh.  vietnam can hurt either side, but it
                 can't actually help *anyone*.
              \_ D'accord. If Vietnam actually mattered, McCain would
                 be president, preceded by Dole.
                 \_ Exactly.  It really never should have been brought up,
                    but sicne Kerry is pretending to be someone different
                    than he's been for the last 30 years, that only leaves
                    'Nam to talk about.
                    \_ Bull.  He spoke out against the war because he cared
                       about it, and then began a career of public service.
                       Not much need to pretend to be anything.
                       \_ Not much need, but he's pretending anyway.
        \_ "furious that the mostly baseless attacks on his valor were driving
           his numbers down."  So Mr. Wolffe, when did you stop beating your
           wife?
           \_ "Yeah, we play dirty, but if we played fair y'all would win
              all the time." [Quote from a Republican colleague on negative
              campaigning against Bill Clinton.]
              \_ Because you guys play REALLY dirty...
2004/9/6-7 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:33375 Activity:nil
9/6     SAMBA Question:  How do I use Samba to mount a home directory
        on LINUX machine A from LINUX machine B?  I knew how to do this
        with Samba 2.x but I can't make this work in Samba 3.x.  I
        always get NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE.  Google didn't help.  Thanks.
        \_ check smbd log? turn debug option up?
2004/9/6-7 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:33376 Activity:high 57%like:30994
9/6     USA Today/CNN/Gallup poll:  No bounce for Bush among registered voters,
        Bush with 7% lead among "likely voters".  http://csua.org/u/8xs
        Poll conducted Sep 3-5.  (Time and Newsweek were several days earlier.)
        Was there a Beslan effect?
        \_ Well, the problem (if you are a democrat) is that people are voting
           against bush, and not for kerry. Traditionally this has been a
           sign of a weak candidate. If you take a look at elections like the
           76 or 80 elections people voted for the alternative, not against
           the establishment. The 92 elections might well be described as
           against the establishment, but it also had a sizable 3rd party
           presence (sizable in terms of hype, movement, and somewhat of
           a spoiler) in Ross Perot which offered an alternative for the
           conservative basis (somewhat like Nader in 2000, but more so).
           conservative base (somewhat like Nader in 2000, but more so).
           In the 2000 election people who voted for Bush actually liked
           Bush (neocons, religious conservatives, general hawks, etc.) vs.
           people who voted for Gore didn't particularly find Gore appealing
           (people liked Clinton, so in essence Gore was supposed to be
           Clinton 3rd term like Bush Sr. was Reagan 3rd term). They voted
           for him because they didn't like Bush.
           \_ I think this time you're going to see a lot more non-likely
              turnout.  A _lot_ more.
              \_ No, you're not.  Outside your hyper active political we-hate-
                 Bush bubble, the Bush haters I know are the standard non-
                 voters who whine a lot and saw F9/11, but they'll be too
                 busy or traffic was too high or there was a show on that
                 night or they had a date.  History doesn't back your theory.
                 The number of people voting vs. registered vs. legal to
                 register people is at an all time low and continue to sink.
                 \_ Wrong.  In 2000, there were 9.5 million more votes cast
                    than in 1996, a 2% increase relative to eligible voters.
                    http://www.fairvote.org/turnout.  -tom
2004/9/6-7 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:33377 Activity:very high
9/6     Argument broke out among Chechens in Beslan raid:
        "Umar Sikoyev, a lawyer for a captured militant identified as
        Nur-Pashi Kulayev, said the band's leader did not tell them what their
        mission was and that after the seizure a fierce argument broke out in
        the band, with several objecting that taking children hostage was
        wrong. The raid's commander shot the dissidents' leader to death and
        then detonated the suicide belts worn by two women raiders by remote
        control to establish order in the band, Sikoyev told The Associated
        Press."
        Note to dissident hostage-takers:
        (1) Shoot hellspawn leader first, ask questions later.
        (2) Don't wear suicide belt remote-controlled by evil leader.
        \_ This is a pretty normal set of rules for any military
           situation.  For example, if manning a base the Americans have
           just promised (we give warning usually) to drop a MOAB on, and
           your leader says "Stay at your posts," Shoot leader, THEN run.
           Not vice-versa.
           \_ I think this has been SOP since the German Kommisars started
              shooting deserters at Stalingrad.
           \_ These are not smart people.
              \_ As the old Dennis Miller might have put it, "First clue?
                 suicide belts as haute couture. I mean, come on, people,
                 those things are so 1999."
                 \_ wow ... people are actually quoting Dennis Miller
                    these days.
                    \_ *Old* Dennis Miller.  Pre-brainwashing.
           \_ I thought there are rules in the US military that says a leader
              cannot order his troops to do suicidal missions.
              \_ That's probably in the rules.  In fact, in general, it's
                 ok, if it serves some greater purpose.  However, at least
                 in the MOAB case, it's a totally worthless gesture, and
                 really stupid order.
2004/9/6 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:33378 Activity:nil
9/6     Yet another anti-Kerry vet group.
        http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com
        <DEAD>www.vietnamveteransagainstveteransforjohnkerry.com<DEAD>
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