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3/12    I'm thinking about buying one of the new iPod Shuffles.
        Does anybody have a sense whether the headphone-iPod connection
        is designed well?  It looks potentially fragile in the
        pictures.  I've had a lot of bad experiences with Apple
        power cords which fall apart at the junction points.
        \_ It's brand fucking new.  Who knows?
           \_ I am wondering if it is a historical problem with iPods
              as the power cord problem was with laptops.
        \_ Do you like Apple earbuds? I can't stand them, so I would only
           get them if you are ok with the existing earbud designs or are
           willing to shell out for real earbuds that are compatible. It
           would have been nice to have a 0-button shuffle mode. You plug in
           earbuds, slide the shuffle/sequential switch over, and music starts
           playing.
           \_ You can use the Shuffle with ordinary earbuds. Turn it off and
              on and the thing will play. But no fast-forward, pause, or any
              other controls.
              http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/03/14/old-inline-ipodiphon.html
           \_ This is for listening to podcasts at the gym, so sound quality
              is less important than comfort and not falling off.
              \_ Ya, that's what I'm talking about. I find them to be really
                 uncomfortable. If they fit in your ears ok, then I think
                 you should be fine. Apple has a backdoor policy of offering
                 free headphone replacements even if they are out of warranty.
                 I don't know if that would apply to the fancy shuffle buds.
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hardware DRM in its new headphones -- a measure that would effectively make it illegal to make shuffle-compatible headphones without Apple approval. If nothing else, the Shuffle's inline control interface definitely isn't the same as that used in iPhones and other iPods. The Griffin SmartTalk inline iPod headphone controls pictured here don't work, for example, in the 3rd-gen Shuffle. They have the same triple-ringed version of the headphone plug and nearly identical functionality, but do nothing. People have asked a few times what happens if you just plug standard headphones into the Shuffle. However, if you turn the Shuffle off then on again, it will automatically start playing--but with no controls to pause, skip, fast forward or rewind. March 14, 2009 2:28 PM Yeah, this is essentially what I blogged about the thing. I didn't bring this up on my site, but it's especially irritating that Apple is doing this as I find Apple headphones to be particularly uncomfortable. March 14, 2009 2:33 PM Well I'm not going to waste my money on something that won't work in a few years when they stop making the stupid headphones and I've lost my last pair. March 14, 2009 4:24 PM Now they just have to incorporate a serial number so users can't exchange or replace earphones. That, and a hidden superglue dispenser that bonds the earbuds permanently to the eardrums. March 14, 2009 4:56 PM I'll be interested to see whether this reduced versatility actually affects sales. I'm guessing that the majority of consumers of Apple music players won't care that they're locked into proprietary replacements and will use the stock headphones. By the time replacements for those are needed, Gen 4 will be out and the upgrade to New and Improved will win out over replacement earspeakers. A few people will be inconvenienced but hey, that's progress Apple style. March 14, 2009 5:20 PM @5: Monopole--who says they can't tie the earphones to the player? Lots of people run the non-free MacOS and Windows OSes which run the non-free iTunes software. This is a perfect conduit by which Apple can grant or take away anything they want including changing iPod Shuffle software and tying a particular pair of iPod Shuffle earphones to a particular player iPod Shuffle device. Imagine, if you break or lose those earphones you can register your current earphones (or be chastised for not having done so already), call Apple, supply your registration information, pay for a new pair (which are bound to be expensive), and 5-8 weeks later you get a new pair of sub-par earbuds which can be paired to your player. even if you lost all of your iTunes track purchases because you did what Apple told you to do and ran "Apple Software Update"). All the more reason to only deal in free software, all the time. You can't treat your customers or friends like this when they have software freedom because they aren't helpless to help themselves. Jobs leaves for 3 months, and you go and put out one of the worst products in the company's history. Maybe people are justified in fearing what Apple might do without Jobs at the helm. It's small, cheap, has a good battery, and a neat clip-thing that comes in handy at the gym. There was absolutely no reason to make the thing any smaller, short of building the player directly into the headphones! The 3-button UI also looks like it'd be maddeningly perplexing to use. March 14, 2009 6:02 PM Check out the patent database for apple, griffin, kensington work. Unless I license from apple the pod don't play nice with my stuff. or we'll sue you back to the stone age of earlier less crippled devices. March 15, 2009 4:17 AM People make compromises everyday when purchasing. I do not expect my 10 year old Ford Ranger to have swappable parts with my new one. Technology advances and companies have the right to innovate. You also have the right to keep your money in your pockets. Keep in mind how backwards compatibility has worked for a company like Microsoft. We should all be more like Jason Chen of Gizmodo, who'd be willing to pay $100 for a 3rd party solution to the headphones, with better controls. And it's a screen-less mp3 player that speaks song names. Creative Commons License permitting non-commercial sharing with attribution. Boing Boing is a trademark of Happy Mutants LLC in the United States and other countries.