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2004/6/4 [Reference/Religion, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:30596 Activity:very high
6/4     Bush gives the Presidential Medal of Freedom to the Pope?
        I don't get it.
        \_ WHY DO YOU HATE CIA?
        \_ It's just a stupid PR stunt.
           \- jesus told him to do it.
        \_ Bush got the advice from the CIA?
        \_ Answering my own post, I guess this is Bush's way of saying
           "Sorry" to Europe, with the nice side effect of boosting
           Latino and religious-minded support!
        \_ Yeah, crazy that a government leader could show respect for a
           religious leader.
           \_ Bush gives Pope medal.  Pope disses Bush on "deplorable events".
              It's kind of absurd.
              \_ Does The Pope hate our freedom?
                 \_ He also dissed same-sex marriage and abortion rights.
              \_ It is absurd, because Bush isn't Catholic. Not being a
                 Catholic is heresy and in the old days they'd burn you
                 in heaps. This policy is currently "in abeyance". In any
                 case Bush is excommunicated.
           \_ deplorable is in association with the Abu Prison.
              Demos and Republicans both are upset with the incidents at
              the prison.
              \_ Bush gives Pope medal.  Pope disses Bush on Abu Ghraib / War.
                 It's kind of absurd.
                 \_ Here is the actual statement by the Pope.  It seems
                    balanced and reasonable:
                    http://tinyurl.com/252u4
                 \_ "a Vatican spokesman said the two were in agreement
                     about the situation in Iraq"
                     http://tinyurl.com/39zdw
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tinyurl.com/252u4 -> www.zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=54811
I also extend a cordial and affectionate greeting to all the people of the United States whom you represent. I thank you for wishing to meet with me again, in spite of the difficulties presented by your own many commitments during this present visit to Europe and Italy, and by my own departure tomorrow morning for a meeting with young people in Switzerland. I join you in recalling the sacrifice of those valiant dead and in asking the Lord that the mistakes of the past, which gave rise to appalling tragedies, may never again be repeated. Today I too think back with great emotion on the many Polish soldiers who died for the freedom of Europe. Our thoughts also turn today to the 20 years in which the Holy See and the United States have enjoyed formal diplomatic relations, established in 1984 under President Reagan. These relations have promoted mutual understanding on great issues of common interest and practical cooperation in different areas. I send my regards to President Reagan and to Mrs Reagan, who is so attentive to him in his illness. I would also like to express my esteem for all the representatives of the United States to the Holy See, together with my appreciation for the competence, sensitivity and great commitment with which they have favored the development of our relations. You are very familiar with the unequivocal position of the Holy See in this regard, expressed in numerous documents, through direct and indirect contacts, and in the many diplomatic efforts which have been made since you visited me, first at Castel Gandolfo on 23 July 2001, and again in this Apostolic Palace on 28 May 2002. The recent appointment of a head of state in Iraq and the formation of an interim Iraqi government are an encouraging step towards the attainment of this goal. May a similar hope for peace also be rekindled in the Holy Land and lead to new negotiations, dictated by a sincere and determined commitment to dialogue, between the government of Israel and the Palestinian Authority. It has seriously affected normal and peaceful relations between states and peoples since the tragic date of 11 September 2001, which I have not hesitated to call "a dark day in the history of humanity." In the past few weeks other deplorable events have come to light which have troubled the civic and religious conscience of all, and made more difficult a serene and resolute commitment to shared human values: in the absence of such a commitment neither war nor terrorism will ever be overcome. May God grant strength and success to all those who do not cease to hope and work for understanding between peoples, in respect for the security and rights of all nations and of every man and woman. I also continue to follow with great appreciation your commitment to the promotion of moral values in American society, particularly with regard to respect for life and the family. May your visit, Mr President, give new and powerful impetus to such cooperation. Mr President, as you carry out your lofty mission of service to your nation and to world peace, I assure you of my prayers and cordially invoke upon you God's blessings of wisdom, strength and peace. When receiving the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the Holy Father said I am grateful, Mr President, for this thoughtful gesture. May the desire for freedom, peace and a more humane world symbolized by this medal inspire men and women of good will in every time and place.
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tinyurl.com/39zdw -> www.ewtn.com/vnews/getstory.asp?number=47096
POPE, BUSH SPEAK ON IRAQ, TERRORISM, AND LIFE Vatican, Jun. com) - Pope John Paul II called for a rapid "normalization" of the situation in Iraq, under international supervision, as he met on June 4 with US President George W Bush. Although many observers expected a clash, a Vatican spokesman said that the two were in agreement on the situation in Iraq. The Holy Father also spoke of the need to confront the threat of terrorism, saying that this could be done effectively only through "a serene and resolute commitment to shared human values." He praised American humanitarian work, especially in the fight against AIDS in Africa. And he saluted President Bush for his "promotion of moral values in American society, particularly with regard to respect for life and the family." Bush, in his turn, warmly thanked the Pope for receiving his delegation, which included his wife, Laura Bush, Secretary of State Colin Powell, and security adviser Condoleeza Rice. He told the Pontiff that he brought the best wishes of "my country, where you are respected, admired, and very much loved." During his visit, the American leader presented John Paul II with the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian honor bestowed by the United States. Bush read aloud the citation that accompanied the honor, which cited the Pope as "a hero of our times." Pope John Paul appeared badly fatigued during his public session with the US delegation. His voice was clear as he delivered his prepared remarks in English, but his speech was very slow and badly slurred, at times to the point of being incomprehensible. Prior to their formal exchange of remarks before the Vatican press corps, Bush and the Pope had spoken privately in the library of the apostolic palace. At the conclusion of their public session, Bush met with the Vatican Secretary of State, Cardinal Angelo Sodano. Briefing reporters after the meeting, Joaquin Navarro-Valls said that the Pope and President Bush had found "points of convergence, especially regarding the process of normalization in Iraq." The director of the Vatican press office said that Bush and the Pontiff had held a "very cordial" private talk before their public exchange. Navarro-Valls reported that during that private talk the Pope had made some of the same points that were included in his published address. John Paul II praised American efforts to promote better health care in the Third World, and particularly to fight AIDS in Africa. And Navarro-Valls reiterated the Pope's homage to Bush for promoting the dignity of human life and marriage on the American political scene. It was Cardinal Sodano-- along with the American-born chief of the pontifical household, Bishop James Harvey-- who had met President Bush in the St. Damasus courtyard of the apostolic palace when he arrived for his third personal meeting with the Pontiff. Bush was in Italy for commemorations of the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Rome by US troops during World War II. He had altered his travel schedule, arriving a day earlier than originally planned, in order to meet with the Pope. Later in the day Bush would meet with Italian government officials, then leave on Saturday for France, and ceremonies marking the 60th anniversary of D-Day. Also on June 5, Pope John Paul will begin a two-day trip to Switzerland. The Pope mentioned those busy schedules when he thanked Bush for making the time for their visit, acknowledging the scheduling "difficulties presented by your own many commitments during this present visit to Europe and Italy, and by my own departure tomorrow morning." And John Paul II said that he shared the emotions of the American people as he recalled "the sacrifice of those valiant dead" who paid the price of freedom in World War II. 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